Ironically enough at that time it was northern states who threatened with secession the most.

@@religionisatragedy9742 Yup and Massachusetts actually passed a secession referendum at one point. Jefferson was president at that time though and wished them well. Obviously they didn't actually leave but the Founders clearly had a different view on the right of States and Territories to leave than politicians in the mid 1800s to the present day did / do.

Abraham Lincoln: get back to your Booth in Ford's theater. If you watch the video, Adams was protecting the INTERNATIONAL union he had just fought so hard to ATTAIN.

Well put. Amen and pass the ammo and gun oil cause another civil war is on the horizon.

@@religionisatragedy9742 I'm a Northerner and I'd be pretty damn happy with the South's succession they still bote on doing it or not. At the time Adams could not even afford that position if he wanted it, which it seems he couldn't have had anyway.

"Dismissed! ... That's Starfleet for "GET OUT"!" - Captain Kathryn Janeway

😂😂😂

Or our era’s Willy Wonka.

"Bless your heart" prototype.

My exact thought at the end of the clip, already here below.

@Graf von Losinj I've always suspected Hamilton wasn't a good guy, he was there as a representative of either the banks or the crown, or both. Aaron Burr did us a favor. Hot take: The US really lost its independence in the war of 1812. The 1st bank of the US was dissolved in 1811, in 1812, England comes, whoops our asses, burns the capital, they had us against the ropes and then they just leave in 1814. and the 2nd bank of US was created less than 2 years later. We may have had our political freedom, but the US lost its economic freedom in 1812, we've been a defacto colony ever since.

"Either you're stark raving mad or I am!" Simply put, "You're out of your got damned mind!"

but except it not baseball but its is real life !

Fun fact: Hamilton's actor said the exact same thing as John Smith in Man in the High Castle

And Adams was full of it, Hamilton was right as he almost always was and Adams was too much into his ego to admit it

Not so much that he decided as much as the opportunity fell in his lap

@@xChemistryFTWx and they used money from England to purchase it and never paid it back LOL!

The so-called Louisiana Territory didn't rightfully belong to the French, it was wholly owned by the Native American tribes that were already here when the colonists arrived. While we cannot undue what has been done in the past, it must be acknowledged that the American continent was a conquered nation.

@@sabrewolf4129 I mean... yeah

@@sabrewolf4129every square inch of inhabitable land on this planet has been conquered from somebody

You still can. It's a matter of keeping your calm in a conversation, refraining from expletives and forceful language, so that the "Good Day!" at the end can play its part as a forceful finisher. Putting the other person in the position to either yield or be the first being rude.

@@DevSolar Lol why is it that in white people arguments, the first one to be rude loses? I never understood why keeping your cool means you win. I got nothing against it -- I think that's totally cool. It's just a really interesting cultural thing to me.

It must stem from that the more calm and collected you are, or have the other party perceive you are, you are in control of the situation and emotions. Teddy Roosevelt even said "Talk softly and carry a big stick."

It is not so different from trolling actually. the first one to verbalize an emotional response is the first to loose. I personally use the technique as a tool to measure peoples character than as intellectual jousting.

I SAID GOOD DAY SIR

And thank god he was.

LETS GOOOOO

They didn't have any nazi scientists.

Their flag is there

When was the last time anyone went to the moon?

whats the name of the series?

@@ritchierich6133 John Adams

He won an Emmy for it i think

They could not have picked a better actor, imo. He nailed it! As you said… impeccable

@@jimmy22334 He did indeed; won an Emmy, Golden Globe, and SAG for it among others. Absolutely powerful performance!

Yep. He was truly a blessed man. He was Washington's Aide de Camp, a brilliant economist and businessman and a hardcore patriot. He also had affairs with married women and lived life hard. I'm glad he did not live long enough to cause any more mischief.

Can you imagine if his affair hadn't come out and he ran for president and won?

@@Rockhound6165 Rather than negotiating the Louisiana Purchase the way that Jefferson did, Hamilton probably would have tried to take it by force.

I'm wondering if you actually read Chernow's biography of Hamilton. Apparently, he was so "reckless and hot headed," as you say, that the extremely sober and disciplined George Washington had him manage the Revolutionary War while still in his early 20s, and then create the working guts of the new government, as he perceived with foresight and insight the financial needs of an otherwise imperiled economy that stood to imminently demolish the fledgling country. Hamilton's intellectual brilliance and gifts of communication made him Washington's confidant and go-to man for all sorts of political persuasion and correspondence with key players regarding military and civil matters. While Washington was "The Indispensable Man," according to Flexner, Hamilton was indispensable to Washington. As General of the Revolutionary Army and first President of the United States, Washington acknowledged this. Hamilton's accomplishments, good judgement, and talents in a variety of fields are near endless, hence Chernow's 800 pages, Hamilton's wrong headed idea to venture into South America notwithstanding. His tour de force during his relatively brief time on the world stage even inspired one commentator to call him the greatest man who ever lived. Due to his founding of the United States' capitalist system, one senses a narrow minded bias brought by overwhelmingly left wing academics when it comes to Hamilton, the reason perhaps this mini series chose to portray in a negative light, when he otherwise revealed himself to be a kind of prodigy and genius, though not perhaps without a hero's tragic flaws, which only make him human. He did have a compelling desire to prove himself in battle, which he did, if that can be called "hot headedness." But, over all, Chernow depicts a man who seems to have embodied the capacities of perhaps ten men in one. With such numerous personal talents and powers, flaws are also bound to be present in a man, in part due to the propensities of youth. Reread the book.

@@iamhudsdent2759 Referring to Hamilton's altercation with Washington in 1781: "The rupture with Washington highlights Hamilton's egotism, outsize pride, and QUICK TEMPER and is perhaps the first of MANY curious lapses of judgment and timing that detracted from an otherwise stellar career...Hamilton exhibited the RECKLESSNESS of youth and a disquieting touch of folie de grandeur." Chernow, page 153 in my edition. I could cite many more examples that would substantiate my original post, but I'm not going to further indulge a troll such as yourself. Reread the book.

interesting how he looks totally insane as he shouts "Either you are stark raving mad, or I am"

K1productions and hamilton was completely mad, fighting spain and france so early in our nation's history would have destroyed us.

AsianDevil SwimChamp good way to avoid a duel, too. Loyalty went to Hamilton's honour, sanity was a mere mental illness. Honour was worth dying over.

What is ROFL?

@@kwazooplayingguardsman5615 Right on. Hamilton had the right strategic vision but was overly ambitious in the timeline to an extreme.

a simple man with a good head on his shoulders and an impeccable work ethic, yeah...somehow that's the kind of president the US has been lacking for at least 30y now

@@TheChill001 Adams wasn't a simple man. He was college educated, a lawyer, and possibly one of the best public speakers in American at the time. Jefferson's written word was brilliant and eloquent, but he was shy in public, as well as a raging hypocrite in multiple important matters. Adams was the opposite, could write excellently (see his closing arguments in the defense of the British soldiers), but most importantly, he was a man of principle.

Jefferson gave us self rule. Washington gave us sovereignty. But it was Adams who preserved the rule of law against all revolutionary zeal to the contrary, and we owe him a great debt for this.

@@hagamapama Sometimes a country needs a boring, steady hand on the tiller to get through choppy waters. Preserving and establishing democratic norms isn't glamorous work, but it is essential work.

And yet both Washington and Jefferson owned slaves.

The movie doesn't really portray Adams as a federalist, more like a moderate that supports the constitution.

I see what you did there

Hamilton is a host unto himself. As long as he can hold a pen, he's a threat. Let's let him know what we know.

@@Bluebird383 *dun dun dun dun* Mr. Vice President, Mr. Madison, Senator Burr, what is this?

@@LadyMythos315 We have the check stubs from sperate accounts

So... Hamilton was the first member of Antifa?

Ryan D Tibbetts - Hahaha 👍🏻

Ryan D Tibbetts more like the first imperialist

Ryan D Tibbetts bruh no

It’s over Hamilton. I have the high ground!

do you think this is available on DVD I m going to check thanks

I agree, I was there too.

@@4skully It's available as both DVD and Blu-Ray. It will blow your socks off (assuming you wear socks) with how much John Adams did for the country while Franklin and Jefferson were hobnobbing with the French aristocracy.

​@@4skullyyou can stream it on MAX

Now how on earth would you know that? lol

But France didn't win. Britain won and the Bourbons DID return. If only until the next revolution

@@McKamikazeHighlander long term yes but that was after Napoleon became emperor.

You do realise this is a fictional conversation, right?

@@edmundironside9435 obviously, but almost every conversation and piece of dialog in this show was based on countless written contemporary documents... so although it didn't go down exactly like this, letters suggest the situation depicted was not far from the truth.

​@@edmundironside9435 Ahh, here's the genius that got stuck on step 1 of the conversation about lore

He also did a lot of stupid stuff, but then again, I'd also be a bit insecure after following Washington.

@Joseph Henderson what was thay

@@Nnnnn636 what was that

@@Nnnnn636 I was hoping you would summarize it since you seemed to know about but idk guess I was getting my hopes up

EDIT: I get a notification every few months from this thread. I was a hot headed high schooler who learned about the alien and sedition act and thought it was lame as hell so I took it out on this comment. I’m leaving it up for the sake of context but I don’t really want to be involved in this anymore. The Founding Fathers were a colorful characters that I don’t really find an interest in anymore. Wishing you all the best. Edit 2: it’s just sending me pings about the chat now. Fml StrangeStrongs It was abilities to deport immigrants easier, as well as making it harder for them to vote, and criminalized making “false statements” that were critical of the federal government. John Adams tried his hardest to give himself the most power he could, through censorship and arrests, by trying to name the President as “Your Excellency” after the war, by signing in as many lawyers to the Supreme Court as he could to retain power after Presidency, John Adams loved his power and was afraid of letting it go, which is a cautious threat to Democracy as a whole

Right? John Adams wasn't even in it before, now he's the main character?!

FAT, ARROGANT, ANTI-CHARASMATIC, NATIONAL EMBRASSMENT! KNOWN AS PRESIDENT JOHN ADAMS. Yeah I'm Hamilton trash

I'm seeing it in eight days ;^) If you told me this when i posted it was would have been like "no you're lying why the heck would you do this to me" also i can rap guns and ships

I WHEEZED

you do know that the founders were not black, right?

This had made me wonder if this was Rufus Sewell's revenge on Paul Giamatti.

Walter? wtf you doin here??? can I have a card?

woah walters here

Rufus Sewell is always awesome. And such a nice guy if you ever meet him.

Pretty sure Hamiliton was the Lead from The Man in a HIgh Castle which was a GREAT character for him. (Hint: You find out that he was not always destined to be a bad person)

Browns Fan he did not wanted a king. He wanted a president who could serve for life on good behavior. Well yes, I can see how that can be sort of king like, it do not happen did it? And people don't consider Hamilton a saint (for god sake he cheated on his wife) people respect what he did for this country. It like how I respect Jefferson for being an intelligent man and a wonderful leader, he was also a man who owned slaves and didn't release them when he head the chance. You can't just look at person's good side and not their bad. That basically takes away their humanity and makes them sorta divine.

lol. What play are you listening to? "The brother was ready to beg, steal, borrow, or barter" "You could never back down, You never learned to take your time!" These are just in the 1st song. The play goes on to show him as reckless and overly-ambitious. Yes, the play puts him on a pedestal, but no more than almost every other media ever made about a founding father. I'd argue that's more of an issue the U.S. has with lionizing founding fathers in general than with Hamilton in particular.

Well to be fair, Adams wanted the president to be referred to as "Your Highness."

To which his opponents responded by calling him "His Rotundancy" behind his back.

Browns Fan if anything they make Eliza the "saint"

Adams: I have spoken

YOU LOSE, MR. HAMILTON! AMERICA GETS NOTHING!

(Hamilton walking out) I don't think he wants me to have a good day.

It's ironic that Alexander Hamilton was the most "Government" power over Individuals, and expansion of territoral gain, of all the founding fathers of USA Yet at the same time was also the single biggest advocate of the Abolition of slavery Also that John Adams Sr was the only other founding father who opposed slavery, yet was Hamilton's arch enemy politically and hated him completely and was also the only one of them who wanted the mass arrest of citizens for siding with France and even speaking French despite the first amendment

Oompa Loompa doopity dare. If you're in a duel, don't shoot in the air...

nothing wrong with revising history when new facts are unearthed

I agree but Rufus Sewell wasn’t the right choice to play Hamilton who really had red hair and blue eyes. Dan Stevens could have been the better choice, nothing against Sewell, who looked more like James Madison or Monroe

Yeah but you have to deliver it in a British accent for full effect though. LOL!

I'm bringing back "Tomfoolery" Who's with me?

@@seththomas9105 I plan to call someone a coxcomb very soon.

@@SimpleManGuitars1973 Yes!

@@seththomas9105 I've never stopped saying it. That and also lolligagging

Was he afraid he was going to kill him?

@@fabioventura2984 Not so much kill him, but rather interpret the hand on the sword as Hamilton hungering for conflict in order to justify his goals as a politician, a sort of corruption that goes against everything the founding fathers fought against. And this scene is basically JA calling Hamilton out for that exact thing (Particularly his "You dream of Empire..." line). An interesting thing about this scene that I like is that Both JA and AH see themselves as the continuation of George Washington's legacy. Adams, taking the calmed, collected posture of (what he believes is) President Washington with the stance of 'Stay Neutral'. While Hamilton, taking on the form of (what he believes is) General Washington, in Military uniform, doing whatever to ensure the survival/prosperity of the Union.

It's a frickin movie!! Like it really happened?? Duh.

Good catch! Didn't even notice till you mentioned it yes its good symbolism for Hamilton's stance and Adams consideration of it 👌

Dang thats a good catch

He also played King Charles the second I forgot the what the show was called

John Hamilton as John Smith in The Man In The High Castle!

Compte Prive No one should ever be a fan of foreign-born power-hungry madman. Now either you are stark-raving mad or I am! Good day, sir!

Except everything Hamilton said happened in one way or another lol.

Let’s not forget Hamilton’s plan for government...

@@alalalala57 true.

@@meganthomas4768 its a reference to hitler's origins.

Thank goodness there was a go-get'em realtor that convinced Napoleon that France needed to hawk the Louisiana Territory while it was still a seller's market!

@@ronbo11 it is more ironic than you think. Boney was planning to restart French expansion of the Republic with an invasion of England. He needed the cash from the sale to outfit the expedition. The US borrowed the money from Barons Bank of London. Yeah.

Manifest Destiny hadn’t taken hold on American people yet

@@mysteryjunkie9808 read about the filibusters in the then southwest 1785 to 1812. The last Articles of Confederation Congress negotiations and first Constitutional Executive branch treaty was the Pickney treaty to establish the Florida line. Spain wanted it at the Cumberland and Tennessee rivers. The Confederation Congress would accept the Yazoo river line, the Washington administration with Jefferson as SoS only accepted the Treaty of Paris 1783 which gave the US everything down to the current Florida line. Even then the Spanish tried to keep Natchez. The royalist colonial nations were trying to keep the dangerous idea US hemmed in to make it impossible to use Ohio and Tennessee economically (no Gulf Ports). The US were political liberals wanting to expand the heroic revolution...the same as the Republican French were doing .

@@STho205 So they funded both sides, as usual...

Why not both?... From 1776 (the musical): "Be glad that you have John Adams to abuse, for no sane man would tolerate it!!!" - John Adams

Oh how I Wonder what the Adams would say if he could see Trump in 2019

@@IndependentConversations prettttty sure he'd be fine with him and would have a bit more worry over this walking corpse biden.

@@peterr6988 considering trump is literally only 3 years younger and has just as much cognitive decline and madness I'd still take any Democrat with a pulse

Adams had better hope there isn't an oxygen tank nearby.

@@michaelnewton1332 But Adams needn't worry, since he his not a failed chicken farmer.

"What can I say Adam's, You're... You're right. I never loved you, I never saw you as a father, I saw you as a Petty little Tyrant, you're a mediocre man, a failed chicken farmer, the very thought you see yourself in me, it sickens me"

I want this fanfic

Ned Stark: "Even a million Dothraki are no threat to the realm, as long as they remain on the other side of the Narrow Sea. They have no ships, Robert!"

They would also need to contend with the forces of space Nazis and Sentinel Prime

i saw this comments months ago and it still haunts me to this day

George "Jetpack" Washington, please?

kozzy18 We knew that already. GOOD DAY SIR!

Rage Blanket "I SAID GOOD DAY!"

andrewxc1335 - lol! Where have I heard that before?

SuspiciouslyDLicious That Seventies show. Fez.

+kozzy18 Burr, that's cold

Soo true.

"Good day sir!"

Lmao, why is that so true

Gene Wilder and Paul Giamatti are both great actors, but Wilder gets the win with his delivery of "Good Day, Sir"

Willy Wonka has a dark side.

he's always been this B-list actor that should have been A list with his repertoire and amazing theatrical skills.

Preach

Better than the time he crept into that naked goons bedroom and ran out like his pants were on fire?

Adams has the great advantage of having written extensively about his own times. It means that, even when faced with a multitude of sources that describe Adams at his worst, we also get Adams' own voice and opinions on those same matters. Additionally, he was candid, not having written a political memoir but private diaries and letters.

Adams has always been one of my favorites as well. I love that this series opens with recounting his defense of the British soldiers involved in the Boston Massacre. John Adams' defense of the soldiers is incredibly remarkable. Whatever else may be said of him, his ability to move men cannot be denied. It was nothing short of a miracle that he was able to get a jury to listen to testimony and give the soldiers a fair trial when all of Boston had been prepared to lynch them.

Adams was a highly moral man and great stateman and patriot. But he wasn't a great president. The Alien & Sedition Act, even for that time frame, was a disaster. Also, the way he handled the Quasi War wasn't the best either.

Only one* theirs strong evidence hamilton was a slave ownwr

@@tylerhub4342 From my view, Hamiliton didn't directly own slaves, but often facilitated the transfer of money in the purchase and sale of slaves for his father in law, Phillip Schulyer, who enslaved many on his lands in upstate New York.

"I'm not questioning your loyalty, I'm denying it's existance!" -Tyrion Lannister.

@@JnEricsonx Good day sir!

@@AbrahamLincoln4 still drinking people's milkshakes?..... sorry I'm confused

He does. Although many Hamilton fans can be overly protective, a lot of us can recognize that Hamilton was a loud mouth who burned bridges he'd of been better off of not. The man fought all his life it seems he didn't know when to stop. You need to admit though, the man had a mind ahead of its time and deserves credit for the things he did.

John Adams was often the same way though. Adams truly meant what was best for his country, but he went about it in some bad ways sometimes and made a lot of enemies in the process when he did not necessarily need to do so

I don't think that's being disputed, the true conflict is how accurate the title is. When I originally watched this, my opinion was that Hamilton favored leniency toward compromise with aristocracies for what he said was the economy's sake, and Jefferson merely agreed to disagree.

He really didn't do much though. His best contribution was probably the federalist papers. Other than that he was a shill for bankers. He was the Hillary Clinton of his day.

He created the US' financial system, the first Bank of the United States, and gave birth to the "American School" of economics, which ruled America for 150 years or so. Yeah, he didn't do much.

H: But Mr. Adams- A: *I SAY GOODAY!!!*

@@tss3393 fezz from the that 70s show made a fine attempt

“Sir, unfortunately I can’t refund this item” … “Well in that case, I bid you good day sir”

It doesn't show it because it isn't in it because it didn't happen. As a member of Washington's cabinet "Hamilton" back-channel-undermined Jefferson's Congressional initiatives, even while Jefferson was also a member of Washington's cabinet. Hamilton was shot and killed because he was a jerk whose only concern was his own ambitions.

@@jnagarya519You must be fun at parties.🤦‍♂️

@@X-Bones Those who don't like the facts say exactly that. I have an education in law, and am steeped in the legal history from the foundings of the colonies to and through the Constitution, and to and through the Bill of Rights. None of the Founders were perfect, most were not saints, and among the most duplicitous -- dishonest -- was Hamilton. He got shot and killed because he asked for it.

​@@X-BonesWe got the joke. It's just not funny anymore AND quite frankly it's overrated.

@@oceanberserker If you didn't find it funny you could have ignored it

El chingon

A man is only ever as strong as the people around him. The community he serves and the family he is sworn to protect. Whatever strength he has, he draws from them. And for them, he must be prepared to give up everything. His life, his blood, or else everything he has done has been for nothing. He is nothing.

Oberstgruppenfuhrer*

Holy shit never noticed that was John Smith

Trent D yup.. maybe fuhrer? If Himmler dies that is. Last season also. Also the preview has Juiliana being found by Thomas and John Smith in the world were the allies won and them possibly starting a relationship?

They werr British subjects for years, but the Revolution shows, they were far, far from the Brits in their governmental mindset. Hampilton and some others were exceptions, but even Adams, who was perceived as wanting America to be too much like European nations, was appealed at the idea of constant war, huge debts, and empire building that Hamilton desired so bad. The other key figures like Washington and especially Jefferson were despised the British system and any references in their new government to any kind of royalty or formal monarch type terms used for the president and others.

John Bailey I think they mean accent

@@johnbailey2850 8 of the first 9 US Presidents were born British citizens and sorry they were never 'subjects'. As for a "governmental mindset" and "constant war, huge debts, and empire building" forgive me but the reason the rebellion started was to avoid paying the new taxes needed to repay the costs of the Franco - Indian war that the British had fought to stop the French from taking over what was British America where they lived. And so they rebelled by starting a long war, that caused them to be in huge debt that created a massive Governmental structure . And one might argue creating a new American 'empire' that spread West destroying First Nation peoples as they new Americans went.

@@johnbailey2850 Hamilton wanted war? To me, what he was suggesting was far from being a war-hawk. The fact that he correctly predicted the chaos of the French Revolution and, with a clear mind, understood that the British has a significantly larger presence in North America. Hamilton made it very clear, he wasn't trying to build an empire, he was trying to preserve the Union in case secessionists cooperate with France. I don't see how he wanted constant war.....

John Bailey even Adams really didn’t want foreign influence.

THAT'S ONE LESS THING TO WORRY ABOUT

+Rachel Jocson Heyyyey. At least he's honest with our moneayyyy.

+MrWooaa it's just lyrics from the broadway show about him. i have absolutely nothing against him!

+Rachel Jocson "Heyyyey. At least he's honest with our moneayyyy." are lyrics sung by the ensemble

That's not funny😡

+katford7286 We might, but they're damn sure not in the government. Not all of them anyway.

I agree completely. It’s the second episode (minor detail but in case someone wants to watch it) and I show it to my US HISTORY students all the time. I always ask them about the reactions after they have voted-they’re like “oh sh$t!” NOW what? :-)

The times create the men. There is this ability latent in us now and it will rise.

The dutch angles though ...

HBO's Rome was also amazing.

Not exactly. Honor is fine, judgment not so much"

@@mathieushifera135 He's referencing a line/scene from game of thrones.

The 13th Hussar “I will not have my honor questioned by an IMP!”

I don't think so Adams make very good call. Had he question Hamilton's loyalty, he might be called to prove it, because he would accuse the man of treason, which is a crime. Madness is not a crime though

In those days, when the word 'honor' was taken to mean something, that would likely have led to an 'affair of honor' i.e. a duel.

The uniform makes him look more like Stephen Decatur.

I remember him also as Prince Fortinbras in Hamlet (1996).

@@brendanforester4601 I know he was the main character in Dark City - but he was so much younger then that I can barely see the resemblance anymore.

@@bradcouch457 I just looked up Stephen Decatur on Wikipedia, and you're right, he does!

I grew up in walking distance of the Adams Houses.

@@stiofanloingsigh351 Me too! I live in Braintree, even though the houses are in Quincy

SIDDOWN JOHN

John, you're a bore. We've heard this before. Now for godsake, John, *_SIT DOWN!_*

This!! So many people have no idea about the original intent

@WhydoIsuddenlyhaveahandle The 2nd Amendment exists not to, even though it names militias and cites their necessity, ensure that citizens are always armed and ready to fight threats within and without... but to ensure that citizens are always armed and able to HUNT FOR FOOD IF NEEDED. This is because one of the chief complaints and major driving wedges in the Revolutionary Conflict that led to the rebellion of thr Colonies was that Britain confiscated everyone's rifles, leading to the colonies having to rely on inadequate and often inconsistently productive local agriculture to survive because they could no longer hunt to supplement any deficits in farm production they were allowed to keep and use (because Britain kept taking most of THAT too) and abruptly began to do a LOT of starving. An issue that was brought up in a GREAT MANY of the Founding Father's papers. Essentially, so long as the populace can both hunt and put up any level of resistance, by the measure of the Founding Fathers and their intent in creating 2A, the 2A is satisfied and not in violation. As long as the average American has access to so much as a POWDER RIFLE, 2A is not violated. Banning individual models and types of firearm is not by their metric against 2A. They were WHOLLY AGAINST the average person having cannons and naval fleets and tools of full war and private armies, simply because they could see every problem that QUITE PLAINLY by watching the East India Trade Company's antics in real time.

That being said Hamilton was way too hawkish. Adams was right to not wage war and keep the peace.

Jefferson's the runner up which makes him the vice president

ThePotatoGamer Washington can't help you now, no more mister nice president.

Mentlegen Adams fire Hamilton, privately calls him ‘creole bastard’ in his taunts.

Jorg the Mercenary Spearman Say what?

We do; it's just they don't get elected because the public are dumb enough to fall for negative campaign ads EVERY TIME. Honest politicians don't last long, unfortunately.

+CptnJCFG Yes but surprisingly Hamilton did predict the future.

Are you saying that Young America would've taken France's territories by force, instead of the civilized way it actually acquired them?

Adams predicted the future too. We didn't find any French armies on the moon :p

That fictitious scene, you mean. No one was in the room with them at the time and the video of the incident seems suspiciously missing.

d23g32 - I've read the book, "John Adams", and almost all the entire dialogue of the miniseries is constructed around firsthand accounts in letter or book form. If Adams did not actually say what he said in this scene, then he goddamn well should have.....

@Association of Free People You're not wrong. His current fan base would not be his fan base back in the day.

@Alexander Hamilton you mean, "thanks.. I guess... or is it a mess, or maybe I be blessed but I confess the stress it makes me feel I'm the best."

He was right though... The British did kick Napoleon out of France, and the US did take possession of 'all lands this side of the Mississippi' and to great benefit (though admittedly by purchasing it from Napoleon, in a kind of irony').

Hamilton was a piece of shit with extra steps.

Thus guy at least looks like hamilton

John Smith from Man in the High Castle.

Our 52th State!

Hahahahahahaha

hes still a Bastard from the Caribbean

not Scottish at all. More like a west country accent.

yeh it sounds almost welsh or cornish?

More Cornish innit?

That makes more sense since most English at the time had a rhotic accent kind of like Cornish. ARGH

Excellent analysis. Thank you!

Finally! Someone looks past that stupid, lionizing play and sees just how badly Hamilton would've fucked things for us here in the States if he had his way.

Hamilton: We must crush all of our enemies and Florida from Spain!! Jackson: Hold my Pistol...You are now my second.

Hamilton would have loved James K. Polk then. The guy pushed for the annexation of Texas knowing it would enrage the Mexicans and likely trigger war.

Europe was still rebuilding after the Napoleanic wars. It was a good a time as any to take Florida.

John Adams son as ambassador brokered the aquisition of Florida after the Jackson expeditions in 1816. He and Onis wrote the treaty. JQ Adams suggested Jackson as first territorial governor, since Jackson had "done us a great good. " However they'd be rivals in just s few years.

What next? Free Cuba and annex the Philippines?

Your comment is a win. GOOD DAY SIR!!

ACEGaming I SAID "GOOD DAY SIR!"

Wonka lol

No, it shows how Hamilton wanted to conquer the whole western hemisphere, which would have created a World War.

*Y O U G E T* *N O T H I N G*

I agree, the accents strip away the vanity that can come from American history dramas and make you feel like you've stumbled into the actual moment. The use of Dutch angles and unusual camera placement makes it feel like this was filmed secretly in the past and they just released the tapes.

Orginal Neo- Con.

no just like a Zionist

God bless ISRAEL!

Easy to sneer when you've never had to take just to have.

and he keeps winning anyway, changes the game plays and he raises the stakes

Just like a modern day Democrat right? Ok wait! I never said that!

Yah man I couldn't take two and a half hours of bad singing, acting and rapping idk if I could to a whole war with him

He didn't deal with him for long he was fired by Adams within six months of Washington dying.

@@jaystrickland4151 I thought he was "fired" by Aaron Burr? Lolol

I'm glad that Burr iced him.

Remember, it was Hamilton who proposed the idea of a national bank that would ultimately control the states via loans and interest. We ended up with something quite similar via the Federal Reserve and now all the states are slaves to DC. For now.

Dylan. He does. I think he is a British actor as well.

Knew he looked familiar.

@@billsnyder42 I felt the same way. I wondered why he looked familiar.

Rufus Sewell. He's an amazing actor. He was in Dark City, The Illusionist, The Man in the High Castle and the American remake of Eleventh Hour.

Britt J.L. Halliburton can’t forget Knights Tale and Victoria

President John Adams?! GOOD LUCK

Don't you think you are exaggerating a bit? 300 years are nothing outside of America and I doubt many Non-Americans know who Hamilton and Adams were.

@@yourstruly4817 I strongly disagree. The foundations laid out for this country greatly influenced western civilization. A lot of the West has adopted some structure of government similar to ours on the surface. We've lost our way a lot but this is literally an experimental government. Never before and never since has so much power been granted to citizens. This includes mob rule democracy in ancient times. Here we protect the minority voice in a lot of ways. In 300 years we have risen to be the dominant economic force of the world. We have military might that has yet to be matched. We drop over double the amount of money than anyone else does on defense. We are the stick of the West. This little humble beginning has forever altered humanity. Our founding fathers were some of the smartest men to ever live. Truly. A lot of luck, balls of steel, and wise minds to see it through. All I can say about people not knowing of these men is because of rebellion. Why would any country make a big deal out of rebels. Seems counterintuitive to celebrate rebels in a country that wasn't founded by rebels. Wouldn't want to give people any ideas you know?

@@FordFalcon54 I'm just saying that almost nobody in Europe knows about Adams or Hamilton, I know a little about them because I study history and am also interested in American history. On the other hand, most Europeans have heard about George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, JFK and FDR for example

@@FordFalcon54 "In 300 years we have risen to be the dominant economic force of the world." On stolen land, slavery, and genocide.

@@yourstruly4817 John Adams established the first US embassy (in the UK). Also negotiated the Treaty of Peace with the UK after the so-called "revolution".

+Music&Makeup Yep

+Music&Makeup Agreed, I thought he WAS Hamilton first time I saw a clip of him on youtube

That actor is Stannis the Fucking Mannis. You will show respect when referring to the rightful king of Westeros.

He would have been the perfect age to play an older Hamilton, he was only four years older while making this than Hamilton was in 1804 when Aaron Burr bust a cap in his ass. The problem I think is that they needed Jefferson to be in his 30s for the Decleration of independance portion of the show, and then just change the color of his wig for the later years. Alexander Hamilton was a teenager in 1776, so I can understand them just omitting his existence until he's Rufus Sewell's age. Anyway, I'm glad they gave Dillane the juicier part, to be honest. Mean's we get to see more of him.

Music&Makeup that's because they both had red hair, light eyes, and pale skin. I think they did a good job at casting an actor with strong features to play Hamilton but they could've made him shorter with more auburn hair. They did a very good job at casting Jefferson in my opinion

Worth repeating. It's why the bankers love him so.

Never mind the fact that Hamilton LOST potential money while helping establish the constitution, arguing for ratification, established good credit and governance, helped make a strong executive branch and allowed multiple inquiries into the treasury department to clear his name of any wrongdoing. An illegitimate and orphaned boy in the British West Indies who was an ardent abolitionist became a heroic colonel in the American revolution. Also as a lawyer he defended tories and would give back money to clients who he believed were overpaying. He was Washington’s closest secretary; personally and in political views He did , however, have an affair and was too proud. The later led to his death in a duel but Hamilton was no devil.

That sounds like a lot of flim-flam. "Lost potential money" - quite the martyr. "he defended tories" - yea, he sure did, especially of the banking sort. "an ardent abolitionist" - not particularly, and quite conveniently for a city boy. The wild orphaned jungle boy narrative is convenient, but poorly supported. He acted more like a royalist agent of British money. Also, no one said he was a devil (except his contemporaries).

Odysseus Well let’s take a look at his contemporaries: Madison - Wrote the Federalist Papers and then changed his tune when having to appease his districts. Jefferson - Craven who fled to Monticello when the British invaded Virginia under his governorship; slaveholder who fathered children with. Adams - a paranoid, puritanical wet blanket who thought too high of himself and too low of others. Mostly a good man though, just naïve in finance. Jay - Close friend of Hamilton and helped bring peace and stability to the new country. Washington - Wise, pragmatic president who agreed with Hamilton so often that Hamilton could be regarded as his PM. Unfortunately he was a slaveholder. Hamilton is regarded as the best treasury secretary to this modern day. Taking the middle path between France and Britain was the right decision. Creating a proper Navy to deal with France in the quasi war was appropriate. See how Madison fared going to war with Britain. I don’t think Hamilton was perfect and he naïvely thought too well of bankers/well-to-do and had an arrogant attitude about his abilities. But he fought valiantly in the few battles he had and almost died for his adoptive country.

Well-said. My view of Hamilton, as of others, is found in reading what they choose to pen, such as the Federalist Papers, where I find Hamilton to lean conspicuously on the use of flowery rhetoric and inductive reasoning, for the usual royalist motives that drove him (abolition not being one of them). Adams, despite his faults, by contrast, has never wasted my time in what he found worth communicating from his own hand - to the point and cutting.

***** Learn the history, Article I Clause V sets the requirements for running for office, one of which being: natural born citizen of the United States. Hamilton was born in the Island of Nevis in the Caribbean, thus being unable to run.

***** I agree, but Hamilton might of also thought he was far to unpopular, as all the Federalists would of voted for him and all the Democratic-Republicans voted against it would of been a very close election and Adams and Jefferson weren't very close.

Actually, that was essentially the General's uniform of the day. Washington, before his death, would have worn the same thing, in such a position.

Hamilton was serving as a Major General at the time, so it makes sense that he'd be in military uniform. That said, yeah, I think you have a point, as regards the filmmakers' intention here.

God Jr You've left out part of the text. Article II allows a "natural born citizen of the United States" to be president, OR "a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution." Hamilton would have fallen into the second category (as would all of the presidents born before the Constitution came into force in 1789).

I know you're having fun with your comment, and I am not a Hamiltonian. But, this man instituted policies which gave an infant nation financial stability. He loved the concent of pure Capitalism. Every American economist, banker and stock broker should have a portrait of him in their office.

@@artlover1477 He was still a cunt. And “pure capitalism” isn’t something I’d consider an admirable quality in a person’s ideology.

Adams verbally "Aaron Burred" Hamilton with that burn!

If Napoleon won and conquered entire Europe, France would be absolutely the most powerful country in the world by far. Americans almost lost a war against Britain in 1812. while most of British troops were busy in Spain... And Napoleon in 1812. had 10x more soldiers than Britain, 700.000 for his invasion of Russia.

@@albogypsy2842 France didn't have the navy to support an invasion of North America, any French attempt to do so would likely have been smashed by the Royal Navy. Strict neutrality in the Napoleonic War was the sensible strategy and Adams is not praised nearly enough for helping to pull it off

well I think knowing what people sounded like back then is impossible. They can do some research and speculate and thats all they can do.

Real question: why is the Hamilton actor using a northern English accent (to my ear)? I thought he was Scottish and lived in the Caribbean?

smolsteph YASSS

*figuratively