The First War of Secession

Giamatti is using a mid-Atlantic accent, he still pronounces his 'er's like an American.

​​@@Magooch86 Sorry, but Adam's was born and raised in America, not England so Giamatti 's performance was actually spot on.

​@@seanwieland9763if the left wing nutjobs keep it up won't be the last

It was one of the few revolutions that didn't result in unadulterated bloodshed between those trying to craft a new government and their constituents. France, Russia, and others all failed in this regard and suffered greatly for it.

He didn't even want to secede from Britain in the beginning, but later became dedicated to the cause.

Sadly, one comes along only occasionally. IMO, Obama was another Franklin but against much greater odds.

@@MusicAsWeMakeIt😂 Obama and Franklin in the same sentence? Any of the last 40 years for thar matter in comparison has begotten a single politician worthy of carrying his bed pan

@@MusicAsWeMakeIt Truman was another that comes to mind, but he didn't possess Franklin's "larger than life" character; additionally, he was as well-educated, but he was a well-rounded and realistic politician.

@@juanf5391 All truman did was drop the nukes, sign the peace papers and get booted

Here, here!

Tom Wilkinson is a treasure…an under appreciated one. He has knocked everything out of the park that I’ve seen him in…from Franklin to Joe Kennedy, Sr, to General Fromm in Valkyrie. And Paul Giamatti is the best pure actor of my generation…period.

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@@jessica3676no

😂 it makes sense tho.

Actually words to live by. As much as it may gall your personal pride, sometimes it really is better to just keep your mouth shut.

Daniel Ryan Yes, in today's world "just keep your mouth shut" is the way it would be said. Franklin was more eloquent.

guyfroml I'm pretty sure it was said like that back then too. Franklin just grasped that people were more inclined to listen when you put it more gently.

Unfortunately, silence and politics don’t normally go together. People tend to confuse politics and diplomacy. Hence while the good doctor franklin didn’t become president. Not to say he wasn’t an extremely talented and insightful intellect.

sounds like they scooped it straight from a genuine Farmers Almanac, wouldnt be surprised

“Santino, never let anyone outside the family know what you are thinking.”

…good point

Then you have #44

Probably good advice for politics

@@xChemistryFTWx For politics, and nothing else

@@LovesHighGround ... politics are applied locally. Diplomacy is applied internationally. And "Speak softly but carry a big stick" is diplomacy.

@@infonut Not sure we're on the same page. But sure. What do you suppose Trust Buster Teddy meant by carry a big stick? Not backing down maybe? Representing ruggedness and strength for the American people? If only we had more Teddy's today.

​@@infonut"Diplomacy" is saying "nice doggy" while feeling around behind you for a stick.

+mic of orion True maybe the best thing I 've ever seen on television,if all of history was taught this way maybe more people would pay attention to it. Maybe we don't need history teachers anymore.

Dale Peto we need history teachers, as history is a good teacher,

You don't know much about Philadelphia, do you?

Philadelphia has a majority black population, as the whole East coast.

Claude Worthington So have I and learned alot and have a greater appreciation for what these people did and went through.God bless America!

agreed

“a guest in •Philadelphia•” They weren’t in Virginia, of course.

Nope. It lacks blacks.

Yes, 11 years later you get a reply. Aren't you lucky? If you are still alive, that is.

Well I may as well join in, the algorithm occasionally turns up lost treasure that has been buried for decades...

​@@TransoceanicOutreach Bros yapping nonsense 😂😂💀💀

@@TransoceanicOutreach Even in a good thread, there's gotta be the racists crawling out of the woodwork.

Lord Cornwallis.

Tom Wilkinson is also Joseph Francis Kennedy in The Kennedys starring Katie Holmes, Barry Pepper and Greg Kinnear

So true!! Learning from both great men lessons that would benefit his future career, and our country.

you can't fool me that is lord cornwallis

Good for a political speech or closing defence argument in court. Terrible in both government and diplomacy.

Adams was self-indulgent- like America today. Franklin was wise and effective.

@@erniebanks2437Ben was also very much indulgent in other ways which is why many of his family hated him. And I am not talking about his son (the one with the kite) who chose the British and left for English. Franklin was very human, complicated man. Fortunately for the U.S., he was an excellent politician who loved the U.S. I respect his contributions to America but I do not like him as a person. I recommend that you look at his own writings and deeper into history - don’t take my word for it. 😉

I don't know that yelling that in the middle of a French court- very shortly after they've just given your nascent country an allied navy, no less- was a particularly clever thing to do. And a number of the constituents in the U.S. felt similarly, apparently, which is why Adams was sent back shortly thereafter. Which isn't to say that the trip to Europe was a complete waste- he was still able to procure a loan from the Dutch that gave the U.S. funds desperately needed. But Adams in France was the proverbial bull in a china shop.

Adams (and separately, Hamilton) was correct in the opinion that France was no true ally of American Independence or liberty. France aided us simply to get back at their oldest and greatest enemies, the British.

So what? The US was not interested in France's victory over Britain or their troubled colonies either, so it was an alliance of mutual interest. You're acting like the Americans gave a shit about the French but the French did not give a shit about the Americans.

France funded the revolution with the expectation that the US would join with them. That wasn't the case. America wanted independence from England, and had agreed to pay France back for the support in the future. But France was all like "No, give us your loyalty and money NOW." So we fucked them both up then paid back France in a passive aggressive manner.

@@connorvaughn7968 u should be a teacher, very good

If only John Adams had taken Franklin's advice! He likely would have won a 2nd term as President.

"No more pain, no more *slime.* "

​@@analogmozNO MORE BIG FUCKING SHOES

He was very well rounded from everything I've read. And he only went to school thru 3rd grade I believe.

He was very well rounded from everything I've read. And he only went to school thru 3rd grade I believe.

Sergeant Roland Genius plot

Lol

Sergeant Camacho Damn that man!

Historically, they actually were the same person.

I'm late but he perhaps was a very good user of espionage.

Joining the Continental Army as a major general at the ripe old age of nineteen.

​@@odysseusrex5908 We needed all the help we could get.

+Fubar AlAkbar But how was he vain?

he wasn't pompous either, he wanted to get shit done, whereas Franklin was like that one grampa you know who just let's things role by

That "grampa" was accomplishing more in France with his easygoing manner, than all of John Adams' blustering. It was in the Netherlands with their business culture where Adams was more comfortable.

You had me until you turned that into a humble brag.

Well, I'm certainly not trying to give myself the caliber of Adams...far from it! I'm only saying that I can relate to his approach.

Bruce Lee's talking about honesty in physical movement. Honesty in movement is about understanding your own body, which requires practice, observation and calmness, hence marital ART. It is not blunt honesty in words. Mr. Adams expresses himself clearly and honestly, but not artfully. Don't get confused.

Gumball’s Relative oh dear... He didn't even fight or spar. With all due respect what the fuck did Lee know about fighting ?

He also said to be fluid like Water. Lee was also an arrogant asshole.

Daniel, that is wise advice that many in Washington could make good use...particularly in the White House.

guyfroml not to open a whole different can of worms, but its worth noting how the character or Franklin here says "politics is the art of the possible" and openly admits to having "no opinion" until he "learns what my opinion may be." Part of what I loved about the movie Lincoln was how it reflected that part of what made one of the greatest president's in our nation's history so effective was that he was game player like any other-and he played the game very well. I think a big problem is that today we have people who, like the naive Mr Adams in this scene, think they are above the game because they stand on "principle" and "say what they mean."

That could be true. But I've never faulted anyone for standing on principle, even if it makes them feel they are "above the game" as you put it. From time to time, I like and appreciate someone like that - but, that does not relieve them of the consequences of pissing other off - and sometimes that is precisely the intent of the speaker who speaks his mind based on principle. But, it is an unfortunate requirement that to be in politics one must adhere to the wisdom of Friedrich Nietzsche when he said "a man who wishes not to die of thirst must learn to drink from any cup, a man who wishes to remain clean among men must learn to bathe in dirty water." I can't help but think Nietzsche was thinking about the honorable, principled man in politics when he said that.

guyfroml Note Franklin's other quote, "What did you gain by opposing the motion? All you did was make enemies-and make yourself feel better."

+Daniel Ryan Don Corleone could not have said it better.

The thing about Franklin was, he was a brilliant statesman, and a brilliant philosopher, and a brilliant businessman, a brilliant scientist who did Nobel quality research in Physics and Oceanography, and a brilliant inventor. He personified the concept of a renaissance man.

@@odysseusrex5908I wholeheartedly agree if the Nobel was around in his day, Ben Franklin would’ve gotten it for science many times over and the Peace Prize for either negotiating the treaty of Paris or helping craft the Constitution

@@joeszymaszek1146 Of course, he did win the Copley Medal, which is still awarded today, and was of comparable prestige to the Nobel in those days.

Assuming he would want any conversation at all with you, of course.

A wise person once said, never meet your hero's, they'll only dissapoint you.

Of course Europeans enjoy bashing Americans whilst holding their hand out for a subsidy from Americans.

@@patrickharris8180 Read your surname and have respect.

Respect is earned, not demanded.

@@christiancristof491 Respect? for what?

@@patrickharris8180 awesome comment

UN Owen it wasn't illegal rule and the English would've given them independence at some point anyway.

go home /pol/ you're drunk

It appears my "drunk" comments drew applause. What have you, Crit?"

UN Owen It's things like the Revolution that prove God exists. He had the right people in the right place at the right time

Didn't help that Franklin was a double agent the whole time didn't help. Every time he sailed to France, he would relay information to the British.

And to think quincy lived to be photographed a couple times too

Yes. And that's something that Americans should work on. Most of Americans simply don't have any idea how their country is perceived abroad, and this loudness and rudeness are exactly what undermines the American image.

The first but not the last.

Rudeness is relative. While yes, it is wise to learn and practice customs of a culture you are present in to harbor good will for your cause and your image, one can not capitulate personal identity or previously said cause to be "agreeable" in the eyes of that culture. I always hear how Americans act overseas, but whenever I talk to an immigrant or visitor to the states, they are surprised and ecstatic on how friendly we are, and how warmly we receive them. Perhaps Eorope needs to look in the mirror before passing judgement.

and a french waiter was watching off camera, ready to give it back over generations

Clearly IronMan93 hasn't met any Americans.

Not if you salt them down

+Ä. R S. Knew him, did you? Did he give you the pox?

@@andiroidYT Ol' Ben is still around. There are impersonators in Philadelphia that can be hired for events.

Think of being in a Van full of fish. After a day of sitting in it, you don't notice the smell. I think smell in those days were much in the same. If you stank, you must have been rolling in shit or worked for weeks without washing. They took baths at this time, it just wasn't as often as you and I.

ethanike In other words, they didn't really notice that they smelled bad unless they smelled even worse than the average person.

Nah, perfumes were quite popular at the time for people who could afford them, precisely because they didn't want to be thought of as smelling bad, even when they hadn't bathed for quite a while.

Wilkinson won an Emmy and Golden Globe for the role.

vote yes

Vote for independency.

Someone OOOOpen up a WINDoww....

i say vote yes!

"SWEET JESUS."

The only problem with that analysis is Ben Franklin wasn’t from New England.

Joooohn AAdaaams mooovieeee here => twitter.com/481f63069c6302d44/status/822762663558062080 Joohn Adams vs Ben Franklin