Houses of Parliament. Security cams everywhere.

And an orchestra too! I can’t see what the parliamentarians are complaining about… they have it all.

@@je6874 You know Chuck wanted to silence the drums, but was prolly already feeling like things weren't going his way

It was on Utube that night.

Its rather an obscura part of history....

A King escorted with hundred of men at arms*

That‘s a very realistic reaction actually

@@alexandrosalib8253 the soilders had little to do with it. At this stage, most people (even Charles' opponants) were staunchly reverent in the presence the monarch.

Remember even after the civil war the common and opposing view besides very radical thinkers was that the monarch even if he was a terrible man and a tyrant that can be usurped or whatever the nuance maybe on his limits was still ordained by God.

it was the same at work once. I was a duty manager and planned a trip to go in on the night shift. All 6 workers were raging about it "how dare this upity 20yr old think he can come in here and tell ME what to do rah rah rah" and such. Then i walked in and they were all "Oh hello boss. Let us show you how perfect everything is. Any extra tasks we can do?" You know, proper brown nosing and bending over backwards for extra points. same as this scene, they dont want the big boss to enter, but as soon as he does, they all brown nose up.

I sometimes wonder if the scene in Brave where the guys are all brawling and the queen walks through and they’re all breaking of to get out of her way and bow and take their hats off was inspired by this scene lol

​@ZJ Johnson Nah, it was by customs to honour and submit to the King, until Cromwell the bourgeoisies' pawn abolished English monarchy for some weird modernist-revolutionary dictatorship, after he realised Parliament was retarded

Crazy how the whole "Absolute power to murder you backed up by 100 trained killers with weapons" compels a man.

I was about to comment on this. Yes the MPs object to the King entering their House, and yet is still treated with the respect due him. One might say they still believed in social decorum.

You may not respect the man but you respect the office.

true, though there's only so many roles where you get to execute the British monarch.

The spinning from his grave could be used to power Ireland for at least 500 years

@@hansbass8119 only 500? Maybe 800 lol

That's what being British and English is all about....fair play....even throughout the troubles Irish citizens were free to pass between the British Isles....you know?....

why ironic?

What kind of dumb argument is "we're in parliament so you can't arrest us"? apparently Cromwell would be a drug dealer in the commons nowadays

just think. the world is still ruled over by people like this, except they do it in secret.

@@the98themperoroftheholybri33 This is known as parliamentary immunity. It is a common practice within most western democracies and exists to ensure that legislators cannot be intimidated by the threat of politically motivated prosecutions to vote one way or another. In most countries this can be revoked (i.e. 2/3 of the US House of Representatives or Senate voting to waive the immunity of one of their own members.)

@@konradsartorius7913 so MPs can commit crimes and never be held accountable so long as they're in the commons?

@@the98themperoroftheholybri33 theoretical yes, practical depends what you did and how strong are the allegations. if you did some serious crime then no one will risk their political career and will revoke your immunity at once. plus they will give speech that no one is above the law.

I Understood That Reference 😎

😂😂😂.

@@joshuacowling2237 With over 250 replies - looks like a lot of people did.

@@alanmusicman3385 It was a reference itself, from Captain America in the Avengers

He should have killed them all right then and there.

This was very ballsy of Charles I. As an American, I knew of the English Civil War but never realized the King took it that far.

@@HappyGoLucky-tr8bo There's a certain irony in the Revolutionary War that we had already done the same thing you guys were doing but a century earlier. Unfortunately, the rights gained after the Civil War didn't extend to colonies, which were more or less under direct crown control aside from the money supply (which parliament was responsible for)

@@jackthemac132, perhaps history would be different if the North American colonies were all owed representation in parliament.

@@HappyGoLucky-tr8bo I think history would be drastically different. After all, many Americans didn't want to rebel and only did so because they felt they had no other option -- all the founding fathers were broadly speaking really quite reasonable in their demands and as people too, but the British just weren't there. It's actually a great pity because for the most part independence from the British Empire was typically a peaceful process for most countries, so it's a shame it ever came to war with America

@@HappyGoLucky-tr8bo This is an interesting point because after the American Revolution, when nationalist sentiment was brewing in Canada (especially after 1812), the British allowed the creation of Dominion status - basically the creation of a local federal parliament with full jurisdiction over all domestic matters, including taxation, while still technically part of the British Empire; the Dominion of Canada. Other Dominions followed in South Africa, Australia and New Zealand. I can't help but think if late 18th century British politicians had the foresight to grant Dominion status to the Americans in response to their grievances, the Revolutionary War might have been avoided entirely. But the Revolution's outcome certainly influenced the future of other colonial nations.

“King Charles, you *are* a bold one!”

The soldiers were armed, they were going to get in one way or another.

That's why every time Parliament opened, the MPs shut the door and instead of the soldiers, a royal messager known as the Black Rod came to the door and knocked it three times with his/her stick and door opened to allow the black rod to deliver her Majesty's invitation to come to the House of Lords to hear her speech. The shutting of door became a tradition of the opening of Parliament.

where's Hodor when you really need him?

What about the blast doors that qui gon jinn cut through

@@davehoward22 does it count as "defended" if the defenders open the door and wave them in?

The outcome of the civil war is still carried out Today.When a massage from the Queen is conveyed to Parliament every year a royal ambassador (Black Rod) knocks on the door three times and asks permission to enter.

@@Jack-fs2im wow I didn't knew English queens give massages to members of parliament, and here I thought of that old hag as a prune but by God giving massages to more than 200 people is phenomenal.

@@anonymousyo1202 After the civil war power between Monarchy and Parliamen was shared.Parkiament was given overall control but by permission of the Monarchy.Parliament cannot sit without the Queens permission.However its just formality.Every year The Queen opens Parliament.No election can be called without Queens permission

You haven't met some of our Taxi drivers.

@@davehoward22 Only by permission Black Rod must knock and request entry

If the door will be open to him 🤔

This time it would be welcomed. The tories have made a mess of things and and it'll be years before they're voted back into power.

I don't think it was so much arrogance as it was Cromwell not wanting to back down and run away. He wanted to stand his ground and be defiant in the face of certain death.

It wasn't a "curve ball", Charles I dismissed Parliament on many occasions, and was only forced to recall it as he had run out of money losing to the Scots.

WAIT...ISN'T CHARLES A SCOT? @@ivanharlokin

@@wewenang5167 Yes but those particular groups of scots were Jewish zealots

Technically he is, but he already assimilated into the English court in his younger years and Charles I fought against the Scots over religious reasons in 1639-40

This is too good

Don't forget the Picts, which the Irish tribe called the Scots genocided too

funny then that only a dozen or so of them ended up getting unlawfully killed...

@@TheLewisLegend Ireland was called Scotland/Scotia long time before it was called Ireland like 500AD by the Romans

Wrong. The romans called ireland hibernia

Charles I.: "I am the Parliament!"

@@conorstapleton3183 Cromwell: Not...yet!

Run's House?

King Charles: “It’s treason then.”

"So its treason then?"

i certainly did! its always interesting how similar people can look across generations. thanks for taking the time to write

Interesting

You, my friend are very fortunate. To know that your ancestor was present at some momentus points of our history is earth shattering! I, for one certainly enjoyed your commentary. Thank you.

That’s amazing. It’s cool that some people can say who they come from, especially when they can draw from a thousand years ago!

Colin Lenthall, another descendant of Speaker Lenthall, was in my Masonic lodge in the early 90s. He was a delightful chap and we shared many a drink together. He's sadly passed away now, but I was pleased to call him a friend.

They respect the source material and were made by people who actually liked the country.

@@bluedeskfan2754 It's not just that. It's the general vibe. The old cameras, the old mics. The way the filmed this old stuff. It's just so good.

@@buihelgason Yeah the only thing I can't stand about old movies is the music.

bounty is so good

The vibe is guessing how drunk richard harris was in each scene from a scale of one to 1,000

Charles the 1st IS the king, from a certain point of view.

Actually, he didn't. At the time, this Charles was known as simply King Charles. Historically, in the British realm there wasn't a Charles I until there was a Charles II.

Christ, calm down people, it was a joke referencing Alec Guinness in Starwars as Obi-Wan.

@@LordChristoff I’m calm. I too was referencing Alec Guiness from Star Wars.

@@cjheaford Yeah, I think he's talking to Alabama Al.

"A certain point of view?!"

If you cannot get Parliament to agree with your agenda to pass then that is the King's problem that he must fix on his own

@@LaurusHG I know what you did there

@@attiepollard7847 the force is not strong with you

@@attiepollard7847 it's a joke from the Star Wars Prelude "from my point of you, the Jedi are evil" which Anakin tells to Kenobi, who was played by Charles's actor in the classic Star Wars.

HA

Move along, move along

😅excellent comment man !

“It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities.” - Dumbledore

Cromwell: "Not yet"

@@quakethedoombringer Charles I: It's treason then.

@@danieltobin4498 Charles takes out his sword.

seeing as the definition of treason was committing a crime against the king as the king said himself he can't really commit treason against himself

@@powderedwiglouis1238 Tell that to the High Court of Justice, which beheaded Charles I for the act of Treason against England (that is, against himself) by acting tyranically against the will of his people.

I took over two hours to pronounce the word "authority" after several pints of Guinness, will that do?

Don't threaten me with a good time!

It was deliberate, Charles I had a stammer.

@@ShahidKhan-ke8fe he was Scottish

orfthlority orfthlority orfthlority orhthlority ....oh well whatever turns you on !!!!

I’m not English, but I know the movie took many liberties with the truth. I guess they wanted to recreate what they saw as the sentiment of the times.

Shockingly forgotten, maybe because it was swallowed up by the events of the 18th Century; but I consider the American Revolutionaties the spiritual successors of the English Parliamentarians of the 17th.

Obiwan Kenobi! You are a BOLD one

@@asdf2593 Hello and good evening.

*Undoes his trousers*

It's a wonderful statement. It means nothing, but means everything.

*proceeds to sit down like someone important

HAHAHAHAA, NICE!!!

**neglects to then proceed with the arrest as Parliament no longer exists and therefore the privilege has ceased to be as well** Forgetting you have the next card

parliament member: _slams down draw +4 on table_ the king: *wait, that's illegal!*

@@the_rover1 The house of Parliament just activated Charles' trap card. Who's the king of games now, huh?

He had no power to dissolve parliament. They had passed a law to call parliaments for at least six weeks every three years and that the particular parliament Cromwell was a member of could not be dissolved without its consent.

"I will bring peace, freedom, justice and security to my new Commonwealth." "Your new Commonwealth?!"

@@smartalec2001 I think Charles I. might be a Sith Lord.

also Alec Guiness when referring to Mos Eisley in Star Wars

Thank Christ he didn't see a modern Parliament.

Some things never change.

Nice - I see what you did there.

These aren't the Whigs you're looking for

@@bradmoore3206 Oh, that's both very good and very ba-a-d! Thanks.

And they walk single file to hide their numbers...

And got his head

Away of these Popish idolatry But Popish is so pop(ular)😎😎😎😎

'remember the reformation!' 😡😡😡😡😡 x'D

Don't forget Michael Jayston, who played "The Valeyard" in "The Trial of a Time Lord" episodes of "Doctor Who. (1986).

What is this movie??

@@rhyleigh_hades "Cromwell" Made in 1970.

Mario Antonio : By the time Richard Harris first appeared in the first HP movie in 2001 Alec Guiness had already passed on the year before in 2000.

@@CS-zn6pp Seven yrs before Star Wars and 31 yrs before Harry Potter.

I suppose you think you’re being terribly original with that comment don’t you?

@@Sean-ce1hu 😉😁

Except here Alec Guinness wasn't playing a hero.

@Bilal Khalid You mean after he was sold by his own countrymen to the brits? And yes, I see you there, Lady Henriette ended up in France, where there's no country for old men playing at ruling the world, yes. (I'm hinting at the talan, the Giulio Mazarini here, obviously)

@Bilal Khalid You calm down. You know that OP's joke didn't make sense; your own earlier reply demonstrates that. All OP did was recognize Alec Guinness and then toss out another Alec Guinness quote. That's just pop-culture key-jangling for fake internet points. It wasn't funny, and it wasn't ironic either. It was just stupid, and we shouldn't reward it.

The Prime Minister of New Zealand is likely to find that out at the next election. Her loyal subjects look set to punish her for being one of the "all time great" leaders in a crisis.

Cromwell was at least 150 years ahead of the game

Under Cromwell's commonwealth the ordinary citizen was freed from serfdom and his organisation of the British army stands to this day. Of course the Royalty had to demonise him

Except when it came to his religious fanaticism

A stupid quote even in Batman.

Lol the star wars au

The force is STRONG in this one...

Charles should have said ' Hello There' when he entered the commons.

Add O'Toole, or Reed ... or Burton.

Because you need more than good actors to make a good film.

Richard Harris should've sung MacArthur Park. It would've blown Charles and Parliament away. It does me.

@@crixxxxxxxxx yeah the story and direction was very weak of this film. Could've done better

If Reed were there, the alcohol would have killed the king.

There wouldn't have been a civil war in England if Charles I had been like Alec Guinness as he would've come up with a compromise agreement with Parliament.

Pm T is certainly trying

I accuse thee of the emphasis of incorrect facts, a number of which are expressed in negative form herein to cause confusion as to which part of the fact is incorrect and which part is emphasis of said fact. How do you plead?

@@Sokrabiades Any action against any member of this commenting group is treason and and a public enemy and I further move....etc....etc....

@@Sokrabiades "Show me under what LAWFUL authority do you stand to accuse me from?"

@@snazzle9764 By the sovereign power of the KZfaq commenters, who you sir committed treason against!

Normie

@@Cjnw Well of course. Most people are normal.

Charles the I to Cromwell: No you

@@Cjnw Define "normie" and then go look at a bell curve.

You realize Charles I was beheaded and the monarchy abolished as a result of this civil war?

@@lookoutforchris You realize He has already done a few things as tactful as opening doors like that.

@@mariuszmiroslaw2290 take meds now.

@@lookoutforchris his son did it too and lived to tell about it.

Except the battering ram has now been replaced by a small rod.

By letting fireworks off 5 nov ?

Sam Green no

@@WilliamSmith-vo8zu Dennis Skinner, no longer an MP

@@Sam_Green____4114 Fireworks on 5th November is because Guy Fawkes tried to blow up parliament to kill King James I.

We can just hope

@@linusschmutz3985 if people like Boris and Lizz are the future of England, I'd rather have Charles III making a coup

It's treason then. Commander of the guard ..execute warrant 66.

@@legatvsdecimvs3406 it will be done my lord

Why is Charles always cast as The Palatine here? I Know he;s a King and Kings are Evil ands We, the people should Rule and We are So glad We are in a Democracy and all that but, Charles was not Evil, and Cromwell overthrew that Democracy in Favour of a Military Dictatorship. And considering Charles still Obeyed The legal Limits of the Monarchy and did not Raise New taxes or set New Laws even when Parliament was dissolved, but Cromwell set new taxes and new laws without the Consent of Parliament, Was that Really Better?

@@skwills1629 it’s a just a joke. No need to take it so seriously

@@Shadowdoc26 - Many her do and I Love History. A Joke is Fine, but Charles was No Villain.

Charles did not try to dissolve Parliament, he had already conceded that power. However his attempt to arrest the five members was the biggest mistake he made in 1640-42, especially as moderates, scared of radical demands, were beginning to turn back to Charles.

The five were John Pym, John Hampden, Denzil Holles, Arthur Haselrig and William Strode.

It's interesting they chose to have Henry Ireton as one of the people the king wanted arrested, he was basically a nobody at this point

@@patrickhows1482 I disagree, since what turned most moderates against Parliament was when they took control of the militias away from the King for themselves--that happened right before this event though months before Charles raised his standard at Nottingham...those intervening months, with both sides arming and mustering men, were what solidified support for Charles, as his presence away from Parliament and the tacit departure of his supporters and Royalist moderates from both Houses basically exposed Pym's faction as extreme radicals If Charles did not attempt to arrest these guys and subsequently stay in Whitehall he would essentially be giving the increasingly antagonistic Parliament legitimacy-- just as to allow Pym and Hampden unchecked would essentially to aid and abet them; his real mistake was in waiting overnight and most of January 4 to make the arrest, as they had just minutes to spare to make their escape as it happened

@@warlordofbritannia The debate over the Grand Remonstrance in November 1641 showed that the moderate reformers felt that they had achieved their goals and that Charles as king should be allowed to rule unfettered, now that legislation had been passed to stop the king misusing the royal prerogative. The Grand Remonstrance only passed by 11 votes. The decision to publish it further dismayed moderates, who were getting increasingly worried about Pym's use of the London crowds to intimidate opponents. The exclusion of the bishops from the House of Lords further alienated moderates, as this was seen to be attacking the 'ancient' constitution itself. Probably a majority of MPs wanted to return the Church of England to way it was under Elizabeth and most of the reign of James I, they were not presbyterians. The control of the military was the other main issue from Autumn because of the Irish rebellion. Charles was also unlucky in that the Countess of Carlisle was a mole who leaked information to Pym. Even if Charles had arrested the five members there would have been rioting, if not an actual insurrection, so that if Charles felt that his family were in danger he would have still have had to flee the capital. Charles I should have played the long game like Richard II did in 1388, thus enabling him to resume his power after the Lord Appellants' showed they could govern England no better. Many of those who rallied to Charles in 1642 did so reluctantly, out of loyalty to the Crown rather than Charles himself.

In this scene, Charles is more machine now, than man. Twisted and evil!

Stuarts were the most stylish era.

Oliver Cromwell be like, "no more naytchin'!"

Diss him and he'll burn your house down to the tiling!

@@zekeigtos7240 nope he has drip

Seth Everman "I must make BALD with the top comment on KZfaq!"

I must make bold with your wife lol

ORDER! ORDEEERRRRRRRR!!! 😎

it was bold, as the seat is not meant for the monarch at all

It's a film

@@piusx8317 and Tzar is describing a likable feature of said film? What’s your problem

@@piusx8317 And it's the Briton way.

There you said it - it was the crown that they must respect

It is also a while before they decide that Charles needed killing.

*spinning

@@animationfanatic2133 *screams*

And have an absolute monarchy? Only a sith deals in absolutes.

Less CGI and more extras is a win in my view. The olden war films like this and Spartacus still look epic today.

@@leod-sigefast Have you ever seen Waterloo? It takes "more extras" to frankly ridicilous levels.

Seriously? Its so stilted.

@@Strontyum hardly. This is the manner people spoke at this time... Maybe for a modern ear with no one cursing every third word it sounds stilted.

@@LaughingOwlKiller I am referring to the acting: an abundance of hot potatoes, though the affectations might well be lost on someone infatuated with anachronism.

......who told you you're supposed to hate Charles? 😳

@@heofonfyr6000 it's so easy to hate Charles when you know what he's done.

@@Minecraftrok999 .............what did he do, my German or potentially Austrian friend?

@@heofonfyr6000 He refused to cooperate with parliament in any kind during his reign, he made it a point to ignore the laws they passed, but since only parliament had the power over the treasury he had no money. So he stole money that was intended for the navy. And he forced wealthy citizens to pay him very large amounts of money, else he would have them arrested, he abused his power by preemptively issuing arrest warrants and THEN asking the individuals to pay him, else they'd be jailed. He started an unnecessary war with Spain. He ignored parliament for like 20 years, only consulting it like twice (when he needed money, because he started an unnecessary war with Spain) and then completely trampling over the 4 rules parliament asked of him (e.g. stopping to issue fraudulent arrest warrants without reason) just a few months later. He also started a civil war and after he lost asked a foreign (Scottish) army to invade. He considered every act of parliament an infringement of his divine right. So yeeeeeaaaaaah, those are some reasons. There are more.

@@arawn1061 I don't believe I said "divine" but rather "lawful". Can't tell now, my comment is gone.

Cromwell: You idiot, you're the one standing down there, while I'm sitting up here.

"You turned them against me!"

@@crashpal "You have done that yourself!"

​@@Milordvega Obi-Wan always has the high ground.

@@davehoward22 Charles I was never an absolute monarch, an asbolute monarch doesn't have to tangle with a parliament or any kind at all in the first place.

@@farkasvilkas Well he tried to do the Divine Right of Kings thing didn't he? It didn't work out for him. But then we did get the Restoration.

It’s one of the reasons why The Speaker was the most feared position of Parliament. If he told the King what he didn’t like the Speaker could be executed. Today this is no longer the case however the newly elected Speakers are playfully dragged to the seat symbolic of its once dangerous position.

@@DDELE7 yup, the speaker is dragged to the chair in Canada too.

Not Really. The King was not the Absolute Monarch He is pretended to be by us these days.

Yes, a space wizard vs a wizard headmaster

Why dark times? For who?

@@rataxv20 Well: Sapin, France, India, Boers, Argentina etc etc...

Well he is the king and at the time considered by quite a few of his subjects to be semi- divine.

@@andrewwalton1520 And even if they disliked the king as a person, they still respected kingship itself. Like we respect presidency, even if we dislike some individual presidents.

Better that than having a hand or other appendage lopped off, I suppose.

a hundred guard escort tends to gain that kind of respect.

@@WilfredIvanhoe - have you not seen a State of The Union in the last 20 years? most Opposing Party member don't stand up or even clap when the President is introduced. but if these Parliament blokes didn't bow their head to the King, they could lose it.

Exactly; many Yanks still don't understand that the British King/Queen is just a figurehead; probably a healthier democracy than their Presidential system and corrupt Senators

Sounds like iron maiden songs..poetic..

Yes. Just watched it, strangely enough!

Does he now dirty git

Must have been the 501st Legion.

"You cant win, Charles. If you strike me down I shall become more powerful than you can possible imagine" -Oliver Cromwell

We need to take back the Earth and make it British again, why did we allow it to fall through our hands so lightly?

When the movie is called Cromwell you have to squeeze as much of him in it as u can

@@dkmax32 I dont think there's a lack of Cromwell in this film, just a lack historical accuracy.

The whole film ends up being a pro-Cromwell piece, if you wait to see the text at the end.

@@PNETriffid since when his Hollywood cared about his historical accuracy?

@@Me-yq1fl so what, same difference, since when has movie industry cared about historical accuracy, are you happy now?

I was thinking the same.

Looks similar, but not the same actor. That would be Geoffrey Rush.

No wonder Fudge was thinking Albus wanted his job

“I’ll get me coat”

Albus won, apparently, taking over Hogwarts and all. Poor Obi-Wan was sent into the desert. First in the middle-east (where he faked to be an arab king before Lawrence) and then even further away at Tatooine. 😢

With 1987-1989!Bond as Ben Kenobi's Nephew

"When there were knights, and they got into fights, using sabers of light, it's not the future... Eeeeven though it looks like it's the future... it's not really on Earth, It's a galaxy, far far away, alien DNA, walking 'round everyday, and no one notices...

But this is a parliamentary monarchy...

Absolutely fantastic comment

That's Carry On Cromwell

@@JeremyRiley If he'd added "ducky" it would have been, for sure.

Very effective!

*Canadian voice* As is tradition

LOL 😂

The Queen should arrest Boris and Co. for high treason against the people.

@@AlanWattResistance huh? lol

@@AlanWattResistance Would that be the same Boris elected with a huge majority? Remain lost, Corbyn lost, get over it.

@@AlanWattResistance English Civil War part 3

The irony of having an Irishman play Cromwell 😂

King Charles made a mistake by not arresting Oliver Cromwell right there and then. If he had made an example of Cromwell, he would not have been executed later. Leaving Cromwell alive and well in parliment was a huge mistake by Charles I.

​@@yellyman5483This scene is for dramatic effect. The real people on the list came to the same conclusion you did, and made themselves unpresent

"Nah, she's gonna be the governor."

"DO WHAT YA LIKE!!!!!!!!"

"Dodgy King!"

"Get yer skates on, first race is half-past two."

Well, I’ll be not going

And Oliver Cromwell is one of the most powerful wizards and headmaster of a wizardry school.

What American films? No examples of literary license, as everyone in cinematography does it.

@@wbm3787 No idea what your point is here.

@@McRocket Now, there's a revelation.

@@wbm3787 Whatever troll. Your question/statement made little/no sense. That was my point.

@@McRocket 😉