I may have knocked a few years off my life. 😂

@@jonelsonster at least you're enjoying how you did it. I remember Dad having a R when I was in highschool. I loved that old tractor.

Yeah, it was quite impressive. Ha ha 🤣

Very cool! Pony motors seem to be a pretty reliable way to get these old diesels started. Especially if it's cold outside.

Never failed if they were running even close to right. With the exhaust heating the intake air, their coolant heating the whole engine and the cranking limbering up the oil and getting circulation going it couldn't miss. Might take a while but it had to work. Glow plugs worked fine if you had good batteries but the newer ones...........I just don't know. I drove a haul truck (V-8, 510 horse) that even if you plugged it in (3 or 4 heaters) it still took an unreal amount of spinning for it to fire off. Keep a spare starter I guess.@@jonelsonster

Thank you very much!

Ha ha ha! 😂

It doesn't seem to smoke very bad, but we still need to work with it to get it to run as smoothly as the pony motor on our other R.

Yes, each time we are working to get a new engine (or a new project with an old engine) started and running smoothly we nearly asphyxiate ourselves.

Life gets busy. And you have to prioritize. But sounds like you've got some cool projects.

Very cool! There is just something cool about using a small engine to start the big one... It just feels right.

Yes, 1 qt of fuel doesn't give you many starts. Even the later v4 ponies still just had tiny tanks.

@@jonelsonster yeah or a good healthy warm up and damn tank is dry lol

Luckily I opened the garage doors second before I succumbed to the fumes! 😂 But at least I would have died happy! 🤣

Very cool!

Thanks! I need to make another video because we've tuned the carb and it runs a lot smoother now. Diesel engine still smoked like a chimney on startup, but we will throw some injector cleaner in it and see it it helps.

Yes, the first diesel tractors Deere made were all pony starters. The 730 and 830 were the first time they offered electric start as on option.

Agree 💯!

Yes, Deere was the king (and some might say still is). I've never operated a 4020, but we have a 3020 that we've owned since the early 90s and it's still going strong. And we also have a 4240 that is rock solid. Very dependable.

Nothing runs like a Deere!

Cool memory! Probably one of the first marine applications for Deere! 😉

Yes, step 1 was getting them started. Now for the fine tuning.

Thanks!

Thanks! I noticed in the JD manual it specifically says to screw the cap down. And they corrected that statement in a bulletin..i didn't know. Do you happen to know which service bulletin number?

@@jonelsonster Because of the hill around here I always run my 820 with probably close to a gallon of extra oil in it, if not it'll lose oil pressure going up the steep hills.

@@jonelsonster Service bulletin #279, July 1959. I sent it. It's just one of those stupid useless details I know, it definitely wasn't a knock on you

Ha ha! Yeah right! 😂

Yes, I got all the doors open and cleared out about 3 seconds after I shut the camera off. 😂

Music to my ears!

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Yes. You can hear it missing and then firing when the engine revs up (11:35 mark in the video). I'm guessing a dirty injector? But we will probably try getting clean fuel and filters and see what that does before we tear into the injectors.

@@jonelsonster and @oldsoulfarms1200 All JD 2 cylinder tractors sound like they're skipping because of the crankshaft design. Most 4-cycle 2 cylinder engines have both pistons going up and down at the same time with valve timing that makes one cyl fire while the other is on intake. Making the firing once every 360 degrees. Smooth, even firing. However JD made their cranks to alternate the piston movement. Hence you get #1 to fire... then in one stroke (180 degrees) # 2 fires. Now there is another 360 degrees of rotation before the next firing cycle waiting for # 1 to go thru intake and compression as #2 is going thru exhaust and intake.

⁠@@jonelsonster getting all the air bled out is difficult but paramount because there’s no fuel return back to the tank unlike an 830. Air in the fuel can blow out the delivery valve gaskets and cause a miss, sometimes even allowing fuel to leak into the crankcase. A dirty injector could also be the culprit. Low compression too. However any two cylinder diesel should crack off immediately if injection system is fully bled, injection system is in good condition, compression is present, and ambient temp is above 40F. Definitely check out the fuel filters and verify there’s no air intrusion. Also verify that the transfer pump has its check ball and spring, without it zero fuel pressure can be made. Some people temporarily remove the ball and spring in order to better gravity bleed the filters.

@@cole1317 thanks for all the info!

Good idea!!

We put new filters and fuel for the diesel and tuned the carb on the pony and both engines run a lot better.

Good news what you did with this tractor. Well done for getting the pony mother running. Top markslll😅

Good comparison!

Yes, this is definitely different than starting a Toyota Corolla.

While they will burn it, they don't like to start on it. Once running then they will do ok burning a lot of low quality fuels. I don't think we'll try kerosene just because it is a lot more expensive than diesel.

@@jonelsonster don't blame you ,plain old diesel check supplier

I'll do that. Thanks!

It's free pest control.

It is a horizontally opposed two cylinder flathead engine. But it's still just a normal 4 stroke. So it just takes regular gas

Typically that's what I would do. But in this case I was more concerned about seeing if the pony motor would run not necessarily the big diesel engine. Here is a video I made a few years ago showing the starting procedure per the JD manual: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r7iSYLqgyrqmnY0.htmlsi=dT-61D79-kLkAJXf

I like that plan. And your optimism.

Yes, anything to keep my from getting choked out! And yes, I bought the yellow industrial 830. Next week's video is about the 830-I and some of the issues I've already found. We did haul it home before the snow fell, but I've been busy with family stuff and my regular job and have not had a chance to get it started yet. But hopefully this weekend I can find time to go up to my dad's farm and get it going.

@@jonelsonster can't wait to see that one. But I get a little too invested in yellow stuff haha

I'm sure the injectors could have an issue. We have not dug into it that deep yet. For a while it was only fitting on 1 cylinder... So still a bit of work to do. Also, this is still old 20 year old fuel and old filters. We will get that all changed out and see if that changes up the smoking. All in due time.

I don't think it really matters. But we typically leave the clutch engaged (handle snapped forward).

@@jonelsonster ok thank you just curious.

I opened it after I was done and it cleared up. But it is about 5 degrees outside, so we try not to leave it open longer than needed. Otherwise it lets the heat out.

Yes. We got the 830 home, but not running yet. Next week's video will show some of the issues we've run into. Nothing big, but it does show down progress. Especially when my time to work on it is limited. My full time job gets busy this time of year. But hopefully this weekend I can go up to my dad's farm and get it going.

It seems to have fixed itself.😉 And I think it is just the clutch disks sticking and vibrating and rattling after sitting unused for 20+ years. It isn't making any noise anymore and engages much easier now, after a few starting cycles.

I thought they were the same, it's just they added dye for agricultural use and you didn't have to pay as much tax on.

Yes. We bought it and will be working on it shortly. Next week's video is on the 830-I. It's not running yet, but should be soon.

Thanks for the tip. Kinda lame people take from others and try to pass it off as their own. I'm not sure how to keep that from happening. But maybe I'll just look at it as a complement... You know the old saying: imitation is the greatest form of flattery.

Yes. That's all it does is turn the big engine over and get it started.

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With a pony motor, as long as the pony starts and runs, you're pretty much guaranteed to get the big engine started. Even in cold. Not the case with a battery start.

Yep the old timers would fill the gas tank, start the engine and go do other things or maybe just have coffee. By the time the pony ran out of gas it’d run long enough to to warm the big engine and they’d throw a splash of gas in fire it up get the big engine going!

@@wemedeeres4105 I'll have to try that out this winter.

I’ve thought about doing it myself but mine are all tucked away for the winter and as I type this it’s -6 degrees and the feels like temp is -28 🥶 so if you try it I’ll just take your word for it! 😂

@wemedeeres4105 Always heard they would start the pony do the morning chores, by that time the pony would be dry then they would fire it up and not shut it down till dark

Probably. I don't think it could sit that long without getting a little clogged up.

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The R pony is a lot like the caterpillar pony motors, which are just 2 cylinders opposed to each other.

@@jonelsonster True......the story is Cat shared some pony motor details......and Deere shared some information on hydraulic systems........all behind the scenes, of course.

I never said it was running smoothly ha ha 😂

Sorry, I've tried wireless microphones and I didn't like them. Unless you spend several hundred dollars on a good one the sound quality is bad. And I've lost footage because the mic disconnects. That's is very frustrating. I try my best to get the audio loud enough for people to hear me. A few people have said it's faint. I recommend you use headphones.

Is there an extension cord attached to a motorcycle? Or do you call it an enginecycle?

They are ENGINE S NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY . MOTORCYCLE S HAVE A ENGINE , DAH !

@@toddkallenbach443 The Oxford English Dictionary defines “motor” as a machine that supplies motive power for a vehicle or other device with moving parts. It defines an "engine" as a machine with moving parts that converts power into motion. Whether you like it or not, they are used interchangeably and both are correct.

Since we first got it running we've had a chance to tune the carb and it runs much smoother now.

@jonelsonster I've rebuilt enough pony motors and seen the carnage inside including split cases I had to weld straps on to hold them together...always always warm them up until they are hot hot hot..or it tears the bearings out ..same for pushing then when they barely run..it loads the motor so badly it is really bad for them.. and parts today...I've had to machine up bearings because you can't get the stuff.

Just don't call it a "she shed"