The Virtue of Traditional Education | Katharine Birbalsingh

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John is joined in conversation by Katharine Birbalsingh, described by many as ‘Britain’s’ strictest teacher’. Birbalsingh’s passion for high-quality education provides for insightful and challenging perspectives on the state of our current school system and what can be done to improve it.
Katharine Birbalsingh is the Chair of the Social Mobility Commission and Headmistress and co-founder of Michaela Community School in Wembley, London. Michaela is known for its tough-love behaviour systems, knowledge curriculum and teaching of kindness and gratitude.
In 2017, OFSTED graded the school as “Outstanding” in every category.
Katharine studied Philosophy & Modern Languages at The University of Oxford and has always taught in inner London.
She has made numerous appearances on television and radio and has written for several UK publications. Katharine has written two books and edited a third, plus a fourth called The Power of Culture which was published in June 2020.
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0:00 Introduction
0:44 Introducing Katharine Birbalsingh
1:58 How Katharine got began teaching
3:52 The culture of excuses in UK education
12:24 Starting Michaela Community School
15:26 The dangers of progressivist education
20:57 Have you silenced the critics?
24:50 The strong academic results of Michaela
28:10 Expectations on disadvantaged children
30:44 Value of teaching the western cannon
41:26 Is an obsession with racism hurting our children?
44:01 Effect of technology on children
45:50 Is funding the answer to good schools?
49:30 Importance of home life for education
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Katharine Birbalsingh:
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@robjob9052 Жыл бұрын

why do we have to go searching for this person on the internet? Why is she not featured on mainstream TV? She has achieved something remarkable.

@ohwellwhateverr Жыл бұрын

She has been on GB News and Talk TV. The only UK news shows doing their job these days.

@jimkennedy4509 Жыл бұрын

In the USA the teacher's union would demonize this woman. It challenges their power.

@jarrettjb Жыл бұрын

Because sheep are run by the status quo state and are fools that cannot think for themselves.

@Blackgrass1 5 ай бұрын

Pick yourself up!

@robjob9052 5 ай бұрын

@@Blackgrass1 I agree with your attitude 100%, I'm observing her being intentionally ignored and I believe this to be very revealing.

@PennySmart Жыл бұрын

"The soft racism of low expectations " Exactly right

@friendlyone2706 Жыл бұрын

Only there is nothing soft about it... unless you mean soft like quicksand & tar pits, forever trapping its victims.

@lisafeck1537 3 күн бұрын

For all the students, not only the black and brown. There are thise who have led us all to this point, "functionally illiterate." I look back at my education, world history, nothing about how slavery was ended, what brave naval military men did to bring that trade of human beings to en end, who oed it, who backed them, stood with them, and why. Why? Why wpuld that be the case, they have been training those of us who are whte, to hate ourselves, we are evil, unworthy, while training the opposite to hate themselves bc they will "never get ahead" just bc they may have more melanin in their skin. Atrocious! Devastating to how mnay generations? Life must change, education must grow up and look in the mirror. The elite who want to keep it all the same are your enemy, my enemy, the enemy of "the people", those of us who are the average unwashed "peasant" in their eyes.

@tammyemanuel5036 6 күн бұрын

Katherine Birbalsingh, you are, as Peterson said: A force of nature! I love you! I wish I could have gone to your school when I was a child. All the power to you Katherine Birbalsingh!

@johnscullion3656 5 ай бұрын

Katherine Birbalsingh is practical, not ideological. She is on the 'coal face' of the 'culture wars'. She is objective, impartial and eloquent. A National Treasure.

@maryjaneleoncio6940 7 күн бұрын

❤❤❤ OUR WORLD NEEDS HER❤❤❤ Kudos you Madame Katherine B. Keep it up🎉🎉🎉 We Love you😊 Weeeeee NEED YOU DESPERATELY ! GOD BLESS YOU 🙌 NO.1 FAN HERE IN CANADA 🇨🇦

@VonDutch68 Жыл бұрын

I am 66 and enthused by this woman, how could a child not also be enthused by her.

@lucypembroke3574 Жыл бұрын

What a state my beloved Britain is in where people dare not show open support for this remarkable teacher

@YusufG121 Жыл бұрын

Who excludes a student for practicing their religion seriously the teacher is a biggot

@TheNobbynoonar Жыл бұрын

@YusufG And what wonderful achievements have you accomplished in your life? Judging by your grammar and spelling, your achievements, if any, definitely weren’t in education!

@jarrettjb Жыл бұрын

@@YusufG121healthy criticism is fair. I wonder if your critical thinking is adequate to judge information honestly though? Could you name any positive contributions you’ve given to society?

@captainsleeman9787 11 ай бұрын

@@YusufG121 so that is your take out? You may have missed the point.

@nobheadize 5 ай бұрын

@@YusufG121 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qLx9ZtOSzrarhZs.html

@hubrisnaut Жыл бұрын

Thank you Katharine, for doing what is right. I can see it is in you.

@kityfitz Жыл бұрын

I had the pleasure of seeing this lady and her wonderful teachers on an ITV programme that was aired late on a Sunday evening - what Katherine is doing is nothing short of fantastic. To achieve zero bullying the kids move from lesson to lesson without speaking - just this small thing has had an amazingly positive impact on the kids wellbeing. The teachers lead the lessons, the parents are involved ( they have to be ) and her results tell their own story. My goodness, if we had just one school like Katherine’s in every town and city what a force to be reckoned with we’d become!

@alcogito8287 7 ай бұрын

We have some. In my state (very liberal) we have seen a lot of parents move their kids to private schools or homeschooling. The public school districts have lost thousands of students. We have a few charter schools but of course the public school establishment does their best to imped their growth.

@JenniferAnnMcCaffrey 2 күн бұрын

Entirely agree ❤

@aflutteroffeminineconfusio1986 5 күн бұрын

The JP interview brought me here ...as an ex teacher and an Aussie I'm absolutely loving this interview...this amazing woman is impressive and reminds me of why I taught ..John Anderson is a brilliant interviewer

@lalec1417 Жыл бұрын

A great interview of a brilliant person. She has the right attitude and the energy and drive to make a difference. If only our politically driven education establishment would come out of their cloud and row in the same direction. Katherine Birbalsingh is a hero.

@andrewbaldwin4454 Жыл бұрын

Better than that, she's a heroine_she's certainly my heroine.

@pennypiper7382 Жыл бұрын

We need moreKatharines in our society.

@StormTrysail Жыл бұрын

The intro clip says it all. This woman knows what being Strong means!

@sweethometreasures Жыл бұрын

Thank you for introducing us to this inspiring woman! I'm a veteran homeschooler and I find myself completely agreeing with everything she's about.

@sebastiankorner3586 Жыл бұрын

Eight minutes in and I already love this woman. More educators like her is the right way forward.

@jonnysongs Жыл бұрын

A great woman, we are so lucky to have her

@andrescastro4836 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the privilege of listening to Ms Birbalsingh. At 81 she has brought me back to my mother's teachings and 1950s school days attending Instituto Nacional Chile. By the by, at ten mom gave me the poem "IF" which still is on the wall trying to keep me out of trouble! Kind regards from Comox Valley, somewhere in Canada.

@avatarcowboy2435 Жыл бұрын

As an American teenager in the 1960s, I attended school for 2 years in a small outback Australian town, followed by 1 year in California, 3 years in England and a final year in Scotland before returning to the US at age 19 to complete my college education. Since then as a parent and grandparent, I have witnessed progressive changes in the U.S. education system. Looking back I realize now that I had gained a perspective on school systems unmatched by few, if any, graduates from today's teacher colleges. In Australia in particular, I saw very strict but fair teachers insure that every child attained satisfactory performance, even if it meant using break times and after school time to do so. This is not to say that performance differences weren't recognized. Every quarter seating arrangements changed based on scholastic rank with the lowest in the left front seat and the highest in the right rearmost seat. Discipline works. Repetition works. Every time. Every student.

@debbiejaynes2652 Жыл бұрын

The teachers colleges are a mess. The entrance and exit standards were lowered some time ago. The National Association of Scholars has published on this topic.

@jhunter270 Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately this is no longer the case in Australia 😔 Hopefully change is coming…

@krisbest6405 2 ай бұрын

The cane was our deterent even at 11 in Sydney ,but we had many races and l learnt in 70 years she is right.

@robertpower4595 5 ай бұрын

How fortunate the UK and the community is to have this super talented education professional working for them.

@stephenholmes1036 4 ай бұрын

Where are they bar this teacher and a few others?

@kayleneemery8217 Жыл бұрын

A woman who loves children enough to say No ! A woman who knows that it takes time for a child to learn to cross the road ! I could go on .......

@jamespitman2373 2 күн бұрын

@@kayleneemery8217 firm, but fair

@rileyhosking3599 Жыл бұрын

I'm so bloody glad you've interviewed her 🙏🙏

@fraserbailey6347 Жыл бұрын

KB is an absolute hero, a woman of astonishing bravery and integrity. Her methods should be implemented across the whole of the education system, but the authorities and the progressives will never allow that. Thus will millions upon millions of children be betrayed..

@katherinewilliams4500 11 ай бұрын

So thrilled to hear her straight talk about progressive educatio.n. She's a fireball much needed! Thank you for this great interview.

@robertmacaulay3051 Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for the great interview. Miss Birbalsingh is a wonderful exemplar of what can be achieved in a poor area with the right school culture. I was a governor of a primary school in a poor part of Essex, where the children were not helped by the lack of ambition of the staff, governors and some parents. I hold myself partially responsible for not tackling the soft attitudes of the school community. How do we prevent future generations of children in our great country from being let down by ‘progressive teaching methods; how do we clear out these attitudes and methods from our teaching training establishments?

@PennySmart Жыл бұрын

Excellent interview! Love that lady. Speaks so clearly and loudly (unusual for John Anderson's podcasts ;), in every sense of the words, hope her school continues to thrive and inspire others

@edwardmiddlebrook5919 Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much, Mr. Anderson, for interviewing the brilliant and inspirational Mrs. Birbalsingh

@agnesberes4084 5 ай бұрын

Very interesting. I'm from Hungary. Our schools are very conservative. But I think in a different way. In state schools children hate everything they have to learn and become like zombies,because they are not tought to think independently and they are just required to sit and shut up all day. Teachers don't respect them and they don't respect teachers. Of course there are exceptions. I was teaching in an "alternative" school ( which is considered the liberal school here) and it was the opposite. Children were happy,there was no issue with discipline, there was community, no bullying. Very much like what she's talking about.

@G4b3st3r Жыл бұрын

"Value of teaching the western cannon." I didn't quite expect this, but I like it. Artillery school for everyone!

@Star-hg1kt Жыл бұрын

🤦‍♂

@friendlyone2706 Жыл бұрын

groan

@simonvanrysewyk9376 Жыл бұрын

Katherine Birbalsingh is awesome. May she inspire many others to continue on in the same way. Pass it forward!!

@Sukerkin Жыл бұрын

As with any person there are (rare) occasions where this wonderful woman might say some small thing that I will demur on but she is a shining force of nature that we need thousands more of!

@elizkendal Жыл бұрын

This was such a fantastic interview. Thank you so much for giving us all this great gift ... Thank you to both of you.

@JohnWilliams-iw6oq Жыл бұрын

Another hero added to my list, this lady is up there with Jordon Peterson.

@vickirausch47 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely,❤

@rekindlefitness Жыл бұрын

A wonderful discussion. My husband and I are expecting our first and already thinking about schools. Our country (New Zealand) is becoming more and more useless when it comes to education (among other things). This interview was very helpful for assessing schools and teachers in terms of functionality. Thank you!

@kaylenehousego8929 Жыл бұрын

Love her intro ! Now for the conversation.

@Agnieszka827 2 ай бұрын

The incredible wisdom of this inspiring lady is just jaw dropping. I could listen to her for hours. Chapeau bas :)

@jimkennedy4509 Жыл бұрын

Those kids are lucky to have this woman and the teachers under her.

@dino_rider7758 Жыл бұрын

What a wonderful philosophy and attitude toward education. Wish my kids could experience such an education.

@debbiejaynes2652 Жыл бұрын

I have two lady friends in their 70's who are from Chile. In Chile at the time the students where all taught proper table manners. When I was 9 my grandma taught me continental table etiquette before taking me to Spain in 1969. I thought I was just too cool. Imagine how anyone educated in Chile at this time could sit at any table anywhere with anyone and be comfortable if they so desired. THAT is social mobility! Now we have not taught drivers Ed in high school for years and it shows! I drive a lot on freeways and rural roads and I find areas with mostly early 20s-early 40s on the roads are what used to be the exception, but now the rule. Very aggressive, driving large, powerful trucks and SUVs. First it was the soccer mom's who were the only ones on the road ( I'm being sarcastic), then 10 years later it's young women, and men in trucks! WTH? Men in trucks were the courteous and mindful drivers a few decades ago. Now they are nuts. Bring back some of the essential courses and forget the crazy stuff. School is no longer socialization, more like antisocialization. Children need stability and they just don't have it now.

@angusdesire Жыл бұрын

When Katherine is waxing lyrical about English poetry and literary heritage, look at John's eyes: he is welling up. Beautiful.

@monroetruss4737 Жыл бұрын

I had early learning disabilities due to complications at birth, but early learning disabilities doesn't mean lifetime learning disabilities. I was held same standard as everyone else and wouldn't want it any other way. My best teachers were those that inspired with the desire to learn. I failed the 2nd grade but had the opportunity to try again and passed. I wasn't able to complete high school when family abandoned me, so I took the GED and passed. My math and science were high enough to offset my poor vocabulary. After I carried around a pocket dictionary, began reading more, and have done a daily newspaper crossword puzzle almost daily. Last vocabulary test I was told it ranked among the best. I agree with this lady. I am 70 years old and still learning. Schools need to get back to the basics.

@krisbest6405 2 ай бұрын

Same ,l,m 70 ,loving the podcasts learning. So many spoilt individuals l cringe.

@bigears5809 Жыл бұрын

Katherine's voice is a delight to be heard.

@SS-wysiwyg Жыл бұрын

I love the Traditional way (myself schooled by catholic church led secular management where all were welcome) and am equally fascinated by progressive ways as well. Now, I wonder what would Sir Ken Robinson's conversation with BirbalSingh look like....🤔

@Kis-met Жыл бұрын

Too few views and likes for such a fantastic interview . Katherine Birbalsingh is a very fascinating lady . We need a KB in every school here in AU .

@helenbeach5581 Жыл бұрын

A book I ordered just came in the mail titled, No Excuses. Birbalsingh is echoing this sentiment exactly! Your voice, and I feel many others are now speaking out, is so refreshing to hear. (I am a retired music teacher who knows that good lesson planning and teacher driven student engagement is the only way children want to return to class.)

@bjjrhino Жыл бұрын

Brilliant

@Benjamin-fu5ij Жыл бұрын

This woman is a hero as far as I'm concerned. It's still hard to fathom the level of hate she receives for helping the next generation flourish. Her reward will come soon. All the investment she is making in these children will not go unnoticed or unappreciated, especially by the children themselves and their families (present and future). And there will be a reversion back to the traditional education model when enough lives fall by the wayside of progressive education (i.e. narcissistic compassion).

@Cotictimmy Жыл бұрын

Why isn't this woman our Prime Minister? My God - She'd Be Wonderful!

@karryhoward3946 Жыл бұрын

Great work as usual John and thank you for your content. Katharine is a brilliant educator and a wonderful, kind and compassionate person God Bless her for taking care of England's children.

@yewtree2552 Жыл бұрын

This woman is amazing! And ever more so is that is she said make a perfect sense! 😊

@felicitymullins4643 Жыл бұрын

Thank you John, brilliant interview with this inspirational teacher.

@friendlyone2706 Жыл бұрын

She is a modern version of the Marva Collins Story and the experiences that inspired Maria Montessori and the principles showcased in the movie Stand by Me. Why does this basic lesson need to be rediscovered every generation? Why does what does not work keep overpowering proven methods?

@pennypiper7382 Жыл бұрын

Friendly One. Good question, Bcs humans have short memories. That’s why the Birbalsinghs, Montessori, and educators of such fine calibre are given to us in every generation.

@IlariaLaMurashe-her 8 ай бұрын

Don't you dare compare her to Maria Montessori!

@friendlyone2706 8 ай бұрын

@@IlariaLaMurashe-her I said she had similar experience to those that inspired Montessori -- she obviously has less scientific background than the famed educator, and therefore less understanding of her discoveries. But hopefully, that will come.

@dominochappin Жыл бұрын

Superb interview. If only there were more teachers like Katherine.

@scottpeterbishop8681 Жыл бұрын

Great interview and guest.

@balarajkakumanu9882 5 ай бұрын

I came to know her because some controversy happening at her school. but she is doing very great things to society. don't let her loose for vocal minorities. be with her support her. Thanks to this interviewer bringing her into light.

@shooshoojoon4 5 ай бұрын

Brilliant! How clarity washes away all he confusion ! Who would take this school, to high court? In whose interest are politicians working? Hurrah to this lady and thank you for this interview..

@tonya3144 Жыл бұрын

This was a very, very good interview.

@pennypiper7382 Жыл бұрын

Teaching is a vocation imo. Great interview.👍❤️

@jamespitman2373 9 ай бұрын

Strict, yet wise, brave and intelligent: this is exactly what we need in every teacher🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

@cantdancewopunk9484 Ай бұрын

Mothers have the most important role. Teachers are second to that.

@michaelobrien5910 Жыл бұрын

@8:30 that African American who's weird Anderson quote was Thomas Sowell. Brilliant conservative economist from Stanford University

@ldevon2318 Жыл бұрын

30 seconds in and already hit the like button. She is the best!

@rampartranger7749 Жыл бұрын

The Charter School movement in the US continues to grow rapidly despite all the headwinds, or maybe BECAUSE of the headwinds. In Colorado, most Charter Schools are parent-run, decoupled from the massive (and distant) teacher unions. In “retirement” I taught for awhile in one, was hard work , but it was very very good for the kids. Average of +$100,000 in scholarships. And it IS NOT a rich-kids school. Lots of below poverty line, lots of “minorities.”

@lebenergy247 Жыл бұрын

I appreciate these conversations. Such clarity. Courage. Gives me hope

@NovasYouTubeName 11 ай бұрын

Brilliant bits about parents teaching their children!!

@dgmckenna123 Жыл бұрын

Further to Ms. Birbalsingh's comment on 5 year old's knowing how to read, it can be done. With the book "Teach Your Child to Read in 100 Easy Lessons" I taught my two kids to read, with no prior teaching experience. Written in the 1980's by PhD's and tested. #1 book in Amazon "Parent School Age-Children". The book itself says it is for some 3 year old's, most 4 year old's or all 5 year old's.

@sheilathompson8374 7 күн бұрын

Oh my goodness!! I love this young lady! If embraced and given a chance, so many kids will have a chance to be…..to soar! THANK GOD!! I can hear her saying to her students….” When you fall, don’t you dare sit there, curl up and cry or die!! Get up and try, try, TRY! Way to go, Lady!❤

@danieltruax8916 Жыл бұрын

This is how to do teacher college. Send would be teachers to apprentice at great schools with great teachers.

@markanderson3376 Жыл бұрын

Very interesting discussion. Keep these interviews coming.

@cellospot 4 күн бұрын

I love this lady -- she's exactly right!

@DorothyDianeParker-to2qr 7 күн бұрын

What a wonderful person... I wish we could hear more of her...just so admire her...

@eimjabegg5943 7 ай бұрын

Oh it is so inspiring to hear such positivity! I taught my eldest child to read well before she was at school. She was hungry for it and almost taught herself as far as starting and nudging me. I had plenty of time then so sadly, her following two siblings didn't get quite as good an introduction. But the truth of Katharine's philosophy is absolutely spot on. That was so encouraging. Thank you.

@louisesimply8756 8 ай бұрын

Wow, what a great lady. Thank you for this interview. I found her take on education enlightening and inspiring. ❤

@drGrzegorzKusnierz 4 ай бұрын

Beautiful: "soft racism of low expectations", "their compassion kills the child" BTW I have taught in ca. 100 schools in London as a supply, I don't remember a single one with a teacher-focused desk arrangement.

@A.Rose.G Жыл бұрын

Well, that was extremely impressive. I feel uplifted and frustrated at the same time. Cloning sounds good about now because she is a rare gem.

@marlifalize3191 5 ай бұрын

I quit teaching but i would love it to see this school.

@fhugheveleigh2 8 ай бұрын

What a hurricane of reason, common sense, vision and wonder. The more educationalists who hear and hopefully will be inspired by this interview, the better our society will be. It is what we should be but what we are alas, mostly not.

@littletime8849 Жыл бұрын

Very insightful conversation.

@ElijahLim Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for this, and let's have many more, please. I presume Professor James Tooley and the University of Buckingham are known to Ms BirbalSingh also?

@tpaine1815 4 ай бұрын

Thank you. I see this all the time, when my students fail to meet my standards, then I am the one who is asked to "adjust" my standards so that my students pass. When I refused, it was I who was "not a team player," being "unfair", not being "accommodating."

@blastoff2022 Жыл бұрын

I was a teacher- she is excellent.

@lembergnative7731 Жыл бұрын

This woman is the bomb! Seriously.

@pedroproenca7509 Жыл бұрын

I wish this Lady was in the government!

@elaineevans7126 7 ай бұрын

Most comforting words I have heard in so long!!!

@WorldifySanity 4 ай бұрын

I'm a 31 year old American woman who doesn't intend to have kids and I just love this woman!! 😊

@miraabel7012 11 ай бұрын

Amazing! I was so touched by "home life on education" as this is exactly what I did for my children when they were little... As nowadays you can hear all that "let them find themselves..." trying to make a social experiment on our children...

@tatimiracy Жыл бұрын

I wish my kids were in her school. Public education system is Western Australia is a failure 🤦🏻‍♀️ she is spot on

@RickyTanTriads Жыл бұрын

I wish i had a teacher like this!

@chopincam-robertpark6857 Жыл бұрын

Strict Teacher, are you kidding ? Ms. Birbalsingh is like Mother Teresa compared to the cruelty, I experienced in the Canadian School system. But another great one John..

@dionwall5519 Жыл бұрын

Best thing ever. Schools like these are our only hope. Forcing parents to send their children to failing government schools is the most significant kind of systemic racism.

@Degjoy Жыл бұрын

I agree with her I have been a teacher for over a decade, and I think she speaks so much truth

@grantbradshaw7907 2 ай бұрын

Katharine is an amazing lady Always interesting and informative to listen to her

@pictureel5863 2 ай бұрын

Love this lady! What an inspiration!

@nikmills Жыл бұрын

Excellent.

@courtneytautges4997 9 күн бұрын

SO good!!!!!

@jamesdellaneve9005 Жыл бұрын

Locus of control is an attitude about whether you are more on control of your life versus outside factors. She teaches that they have a lot to say about their own lives. Which is true. I have taught in University in Los Angeles. I’ve had some minority students who are highly successful in life and business who would regularly talk about oppression.

@ranaspeaks Ай бұрын

With birbal in her name, she has to be the most intelligent person....👍👍👍

@TheOverlordOfProcrastination Жыл бұрын

I find her very attractive. Her views and her amazing hair are just 👌🏼👌🏼

@scottedwards9704 Жыл бұрын

The darker the cultures get, the brighter the lights shine.

@honestjohn6418 Жыл бұрын

When Katherine said “squashed by a car” it reminded me of London in the 70s. We used to say squashed by a car 😹😹😹😹😹

@willboudreau1187 Жыл бұрын

I regret I have only one thumbs-up to give to this video.

@jasonmoser8957 Жыл бұрын

child-centered learning is the idea of knowledge without knowledge.

@iceman4660 Жыл бұрын

Children need guidelines, direction and boundaries. Progressive schools, as with progressive employers main focus seems to be to please everybody which is impossible. Setting high expectations is not on the agenda because telling children to work hard may upset them