Here is everything Eggman did right in that one scene: 1. He pointed a gun at Amy's head. 2. He told Sonic to give him the Chaos Emerald in Exchange for Amy. 3. He used that tactic against him and trapped him in the capsule. 4. He tricked Tails into telling him about the fake Emerald 5. He launches Sonic into space and apparently blowing him up. That was literally Eggman's greatest moment. Ever.

In lego dimensions shadow says"turns out revenge is not what Maria wanted, she really wanted flowers for the entire world , so we must look for the ultimate flowers'

the fact this video is gonna be a decade old this year is making me sob uncontrollably

I suppose that 'goodbye Sonic forever' was in reference to the fact this was the last Sonic Game on Sega's final console. And the fact afterwards, Sega felt they would lose control.

"Damn main character immunity, you and your tricks!" Well, I mean, tricks are for kids, and Shadow is 50 years old...

Say what you want about Johnny's opinion of SA2, that cutaway gag at the beginning of this video is one of his best ever.

5:42 General Audience: *GASP* Long-Time Sonic Fan: ''Hahahahaha...Ha.'' Real-Time Fandub Games Fan: ''HE JUST PISSED ON THE MOOOOOOOOON!!!''

A great thing about Johnny's reviews is that he doesn't just write things off he doesn't like by saying "this sucks and that's that". He logically and thoroughly explains why he feels that way, and even discusses ways he'd improve them.

Sonic Adventure 2, using comic sans before it was poorly over used.

"The knuckle's stages are filled to the brim with the most extremely corny rap songs that... are admitteldly a guilty pleasure of a sort" That... actually yeah that sums it up pretty well.

"You know me, the gaming critic Johnny. And we're at Pumpkin Hill, You ready?"

I can't take this story seriously anymore after the fandub SnapCube made.

I love how Sonic X fills in some of these plot holes. SONIC X! The heck Sonic Team?!

I'm guessing the Sega Dreamcast was saying "farewell Sonic....forever...."

Remember kids, this is Johnny’s opinion at the end of the day…but no one ever said you can’t have an opinion on an opinion so go crazy

"This incident increased worldwide terrorist activities. Something that'll jog, was arrested." Really now, KZfaq?

After watching the review again, I thought of something with Sonic being able to do chaos control for the first time somehow. If he's managed to use all 7's energy to become super sonic, it makes some sense he'd be able to tap into the other powers of the emeralds.

"Dr Eggman, so if you are not given supreme rulership over all of Earth, you're going to destroy it?" "Yes!" "You are aware that destroying the planet would leave you without a home and the debris from the destruction would probably also destroy the moon and the Space Colony Ark you're currently residing in?" "Uuuuuh..."

I never liked how Open Your Heart only played for part of the Perfect Chaos fight, so Adventure 2 rectifying that little issue sure was nice!

Johnny: "You can only detect one emerald piece at a time" Me: *laughs in SA2 Mod Manager*

Johnny, what the hell are you doing? You're harshly criticizing Sonic Adventure 2 on the internet! You're gonna get CRUCIFIED!

WHY ARE THERE SO MANY ADS ON THESE VIDEOS NOW?! YES, KZfaq, I UNDERSTAND THAT WEED HAS RISKS.

10 years... man I still look back on these after 10 years.

I personally think that Sonic using Chaos Control for the first time isn't that out of the ordinary because Sonic has had more experience than Shadow with with the Chaos Emeralds from turning super in the classic games, so him harnessing a new power from the Chaos Emeralds would seem like something Sonic would do eventually.

People say that Sonic Unleashed as a whole is bad because 1/2 of the game is good at best. People say that Sonic Adventure 2 as a whole is good because 1/3 of the game is good at best. . . .

This game is solid.............. but I DEFINITELY disagree with the 90% of Sonic fans who say it's the best Sonic game ever. That honor goes to Sonic 3 & Knuckles.

SomeCallMeJohnny, you have some of the best Sonic reviews I have ever seen. Whilst there are no doubt issues with most of the games, you mention things that I completely forgot about over the years or overlooked and it is so refreshing to be minded of the little things you may have forgot. My only complaint with your channel my friend is that it's taken me this long to find it. Excellent entertaining content and I'm going to be watching a large majority of your videos as I've got a lot of catching up to do. Keep up the great work.

6:48 I always thought Eggman kept the shuttle around in case the teleported was damaged or malfunctioning. Then he would still be able to go to the one place, not yet corrupted by Blue Hedgehogs! *SPACE!*

in the story's defense, it is possible that Gerald could have possibly hidden away and did the reprogramming after the fact, then was captured later down the road. That's really the only way that makes sense to me. And the fact that GUN is attacking rouge is because if they just stood by, it would be very suspicious to eggman as to why they aren't attack or just handing the emeralds over

Am i the only one that liked the Mission Street theme? It sounds like something you could hear from SA1 and I loved it, it's so damn underrated!

34:47 - 34:58 I for some reason love this little part of the video where john swaps the Dreamcast for the Gamecube, i dont know why but i love all the plastic sound that these things make, its almost like ASMR.

Just for clarification on Shadow's motives being based off of Maria's memories, it has very little to do with him misinterpreting anything she said. It has to do with Gerald Robotnik's brainwashing of Shadow's memories, so that he has an overwhelming desire to fulfill Gerald's revenge. Part of it is Shadow's own resentment, but there is a part of Gerald's resentment that lives on in Shadow through the form of Gerald's programming.

Am i the only one who thinks SA1 and Sa2 are about equal in terms of quality, but for different reasons?

Sonic Adventure 2 was praised into high heavens back in the day, perhaps without deserving it. Now, karma strikes back and reviewers are slamming this game down to the ground, sometimes unjustified. There is no middle ground here. Personally, I think this game is okay. Not great, but not bad either. The story is kinda stupid sometimes (especially with the plot holes), but its a charming kind of stupid, because it's actually entertaining and you can see the passion that went into it. As far as gameplay goes, I liked most of the gameplay styles. The only thing I straight up dislike are most of Tails' mech stages, the space levels in the treasure hunting stages, Knuckles portion of Cannon's Core (with or without the air necklace) and the Biolizzard boss fight.

The fact that these videos are 10 years old is insane to me… I’ve watched the adventure to 06 videos soo many times. I loved these games growing up and your analysis and quips are top notch. These videos made me a fan you forever

Speaking of the light speed dash, I used to fear the electric shield because it'd draw the rings towards me thus disrupting the path of rings and making the dash more hazardous.

I think this is the first time in have seen a review of this game where the opinions on the game's gameplay wasn't presented as fact. Great job

To do with GUN mistaking Sonic for Shadow... GUN are trying to keep the very existence of Project Shadow a secret, so they decide to frame Sonic in public so they can hide Shadow's existence, and track down Shadow at a later time without being interrupted. Doesn't explain how everyone else mistook those two, though.

Has anyone else noticed that Shadow's chaos control shows it's just a speed boost, but Sonic's was a space-time warp?

I had the Gamecube version of this game. I think its my favorite Sonic game for the addition of Shadow. He is the most developed character in the franchise. I also liked how the story developed the Robotnick family as well. Makes Eggman a more sympathetic. Though this still doesn't excuse his evil acts. I hope to see a remaster version of this game someday with more additions to deal with plot holes. As well as give Shadow more stages as this was mostly HIS story.

27:47 may be my favorite joke of this entire channel.

9:28 - 10:31 Somecallmejohnny would be great at cinema sins.

Now, as far as the gameplay goes, I can agree with you almost 100%. Especially on Tails/Eggman's game: 1) I felt like this was a missed opportunity for both characters as they could've had their gameplay be the most unique out of all 3 styles of gameplay. For example: in a Tails stage, you could have him do his classic style of gameplay from the first SA, then the next Tails stage could have him in his plane doing something similar to the Sky Attack mini-game in Sonic Adventure. Then another stage could have him using his Cyclone transformation from the Tornado 2, and do a shooting game style of gameplay. And with Eggman? He's got an unlimited arsenal of gadgets to his advantage. Let your imagination run wild! 2) Tails' and Eggman's style of gameplay feels a little too much like Gamma's from the first Sonic Adventure; and as I said before, I like shooting games, but you need a bigger arsenal besides shooting and hovering.

It's cool to hear Johnny say over Twitter that he's softened on this game quite a bit over the years, despite the qualms he still has with it

Plot Hole Adventure 2

Live and learn...

You know, I’ve heard a bunch of other youtubers talking about this review in particular and it’s incredible that this video is like THE definitive Sonic Adventure 2 review. Congratulations John

5:42 This never gets old, seriously.

Johnny: "What can i say...?" Sonic: "Say something, you fake hedgehog!" Johnny is a fake hedgehog confirmed?

Closed Captions: "Rouge is a government spy sent by God to retrieve information" Seems legit.

That intro wive the whole “farewell sonic, forever” was really bittersweet when you actaully think of it through the eyes of a fan who knew the dreamcast was coming to an end and sega was leaving and this was their last sonic game... it was a sad time of uncertainty so the whole commercial makes sense if you think that sega could of just gone forever after the end of the dreamcast and this could very well of been the final sonic game ever

Heres the thing, everyone is entitled to their own opinion obviously, but I wish people went about it the same way Johnny did. He thoroughly and reasonably explains why he doesn’t like certain aspects of the game and is very logical. I just don’t like that people somehow took that and then made SA2 out to be a bad game for the sake of calling it that

Well I mean goku learned the kamehameha by just watching roshi do it, so sonic, who, if you played sonic 2,3, and adventure has had extensive exposure to the chaos emeralds energy, could have used his experience with the chaos emeralds to latch on to what little energy that the emerald produced, thanks to tails, and preformed chaos control. that's just speculation but it could be possible, I mean how does sonic go super in the first place? He must have some knowledge on how to use that type of energy. (Sorry if that was worded horribly or there was a lot of errors, I am no English major)

This comments section is much better than Projareds... Probably cuz John has more respectful opinions. Dont get me wrong i love me some ProJared but still.

The reason some cutscenes are in 16:9 and others in 4:3 is because, while the models themselves can be rendered in widescreen, some overlays, such as explosions or lens flares, were only in 4:3. They would either have to stretch the effect or leave the window unchanged, neither of which would look correct

this is probably the only time I've ever seen a real Sonic fan that genuinely doesn't like this game and has valid reasons to back it up. Well done

"foreshadowing" I GET IT

There is something intensely satisfying listening to all the clicks, snaps and button presses at 34:38 when the gamecube is hooked up. I miss those days, everything is stupid 'touch' now and I miss the buttons.

The reason Shadow thought that was because Gerald brainwashed him. Yes, even before Heroes, Shadow had amnesia.

When you realize Sonic Adventure 2's text is in comic sans.

sa2 would be better if the treasure hunting stages radar worked like how they did in sa1 if sonic and Shadow levels were nonlinear and if the mechs controls weren't so clunky

I wil explain the plotholes of SA2. The Rocket: I guess Eggman, just in case his teleporter is destroyed by Sonic, wanted an alternate way to get up to the Ark. Also, he had the Egg Golem, a three-story high rock robot to guard the goddamn rocket. Give him a break. The Chaos Control: We've seen this 'learn from watch' gimmick before in Sonic. In Sonic 2, Tails travels alongside Sonic, WATCHING him save their home. In Sonic 3, he uses the exact techniques that Sonic uses, and his Fly is just an improved jump. Also Classic Sonic learns the Light Speed Dash (sorta) from WATCHING Modern Sonic do it. Rouge's Mission and the Bomb: Rouge had to fight GUN because she had to make it look real. Besides, if GUN really wanted her to succede, they wouldn't have sent that boss! Shadow just wanted to ensure that the Chaos emeralds got out okay, so he set it for 15 minutes despite Rouge's objection. Gerald's repogramming and GUN's inaction: He did it before Maria's death. Now, before you call me retarded, we learn that the Eclipse Cannon was made to destroy the Black Arms. Maybe, if the Cannon was unuseable, it was to be a last resort. He, however made it to target the closest planet (planetoid), so that explains why it could be made to crash into Earth. However, his reprogramming Shadow must have happened after Maria's death, at Prison Island, or it would have made no sense for Shadow to hate humanity. He escaped, reprogrammed Shadow, and then was recaptured, and then the Video's events took place. GUN, however, thought that the threat was bullshit, and disregarded it. GUN most likely rebuilt Station Square afterwards, you know, once they got there. Yes, folks, it took GUN THAT long to get to Station Square.

They need Johnny on the storyboard for the next Sonic Movie now that we know who will be in it 👀

05:32 "That's right, this is what you get! My SUPER LASER PISS!"

Regarding the Chaos Control-related plot holes: It's implied by a line during the final battle that Sonic is actually the "Ultimate Life Form", and Shadow is based on him, Chaos Control included. If that's true, Sonic accesses Chaos Control with instinct or still-dormant memories, instead of conscious knowledge the way Shadow does, and that would also explain why Sonic is able to complete the final Chaos Control more successfully than Shadow.

Saying SA2 is overrated is becoming overrated

11:29 Fun Fact: The Bio-Lizard was actually a normal sized lizard at first, but due to the experiments applied to it from Project Shadow, it grew at a rapid rate, eventually getting it's own room and had to be kept alive via the machinery put on it. And yes, This Video is now 11 years old and I am still commenting on it. Shut.

When it comes to the whole Sonic and Shadow looking alike, well that has something to do with Shadows prototype design, formerly named "Terios" looked like a dark navy blue, yellow and scarred eyes Sonic. I guess they never changed the script when they changed his design.

32:47 That's so true! During the cutscene where sonic meets shadow in what you like to call "San Francisco Zone" before being arrested, you see the part where Shadow introduces himself, he interrupts sonic in the middle of nowhere.

You are aware that Central City is the name of The Flash's home town right?

At first I despised this for having 11 midroll ads. But then I realized Johnny probably put weeks into making this.

Omochao: You got the Magic Hands, they’re useless though so ignore them

Look, I know I'm gonna get flamed for this, but I gotta defend the treasure hunting stages: Look, with the hint system, I actually think the hint system in adventure 2 is better than adventure 1's and here's why. In adventure 1, when you wanted a hint, Tikal lead you immediately to the emerald. That's great and all, but where's the fun in that? When you use a hint in adventure 1, you basically have it spelled out for you without putting in any actual effort into finding the emerald yourself, removing the exploration factor. In adventure 2 however, the hint system giving you clues based on the level design is actually a good thing, because then it encourages you to get used to the level design, how do you do that? EXPLORE. The game encourages you to explore the level and learn the ins and outs of it. And another thing, you have the ability to use 3 hint monitors for each emerald piece, and the 3rd hint box tells you exactly where it is, like how adventure 1 did.

Sonic learned Chaos Control from Shadow just by watching him do it? That reminds me of Goku learning the Kamehameha Wave from Master Roshi just by watching him.

I love both the sonic adventure game's on Dreamcast, nostalgic. I'd probably find some of the stages annoying still but they were good overall and the VMU was like a tamagotchi with the Chao's if my memory serves me right.

I feel the same way for SA2 as Johnny does for Sunshine. It's a decent game for the most part and while I do feel that some of the hatred it's been getting in the last few years has been blown somewhat out of proportions, but I'd be lying if I said that this is my favorite Sonic game. The Speed stages are just as fun as they were in SA1, and while I am happy that the Light Dash can be performed on the fly this time, I am not a fan of it being on the same button as the Somersault and the Bound Jump. As far as the Mech stages go, they're on the same level as Gamma. The Mechs have better designed levels, while Gamma is definitely better when talking about control and platforming. Tails being in a Mech doesn't offend me too much, but I do prefer how he was in the Genesis games and SA1. Finally, there's the Treasure Hunting, which is my least favorite part of the game. Making the radar detect one emerald at a time was an utterly ass-backwards decision. With this change, you could be potentially close to an Emerald piece, but you won't know for sure, because the damn radar doesn't want you to get it yet, which makes levels like Security Hall, Death Chamber, and the space levels a serious flick in the nuts. The flaws aren't too bad when doing a normal playthrough, but when you're going for all 180 emblems, that's when the worst of all three playstyles come in *FULL FORCE*, which is why I feel the reward just isn't worth it. It's not as bad as the postcard in Sunshine, but if you're _that_ desperate to play Green Hill, then you're better off playing Sonic 1 or Generations. Besides that, everything else checks out. The story is passible (though it does have problems), the music is sweet, the Chao Garden is much interesting than before, and the Multiplayer is still easily the best in the series to date. Again, while SA2 is nowhere near the awful game that people have been making it out to be nowadays, I'd still sooner play the Genesis games, SA1, Heroes, Unleashed, Colors, Generations, and even Lost World. Last good Sonic game? I don't see it.

I came back just for 5:37 . that part killed me when I first watched this back in 2012

Sonic the Hedgehog: Nice try, Rocky! Rocky Balboa: You want it you got it!!! LOL XD I think that it the best joke of your KZfaq channel, Johnny! Keep up the good work!!!

5:42 General audiences reacting to Maria's death in Sonic Movie 3 vs. longtime Sonic fans reacting to the same scene.

Still waiting for the Sonic Adventure games to be ported to Wii U and/or PS4... And Generations, too, for that matter. (Not trying to sound like a complainer or anything, but yeah.)

I'm probably the minority to the extreme here, but I personally feel as if Sonic Adventure 2 lacking hub worlds is the thing that pulls it down the most. Don't get me wrong, it's still my favorite Sonic game and one of my all time favorite games, but when Sonic Team wanted to make a more intense story, they do lack in some areas. Johnny brings up detailing, and while the topics he brought up himself also could have and should have been fleshed out, I also feel along with that, there should have been more flavor text to see a more believable world around Sonic and friends. For instance, imagine a hub world right after Eggman blows up the moon, and all the NPCs are flipping their shit because, well half the moon is gone. Going back to SA1, some of my favorite dialogue comes from NPCs in the hub worlds, like the newspaper kiosk lady, for instance. She compliments Tails, and even talks to other characters about how much Tails has grown as a character, making it actually feel like you did something great by beating Tails' story. But I suppose I ramble.

"I can say I enjoy everything about Sonic 2" *Special Stages, The pit in Mystic Cave Zone 2, Asterons, Shellcrackers, Slicers, all of Metropolis Zone*

5:16 The whole killing humanity on account of a loved one's death thing isn't a new thing. In the words of Dracula from the Castlevania animated series, "There are no innocents, not anymore! Any one of them could have stood up and said 'no, we won't behave like animals anymore.'" Dracula doesn't like humans despite marrying one because the sole human he did like was killed over a dark conspiracy. Where his story differs from Shadow's is that the latter was able to hear Maria's last words and no one could stand up to GUN because no one saw the raid coming. It was in space, after all.

32:34 LET'S GET TO WOOOOORK......

I believe that SEGA made Tails a mech-shooting character to balance gameplay. 2 Speed. 2 Mechs. 2 Treasure Hunters

I can't wait for Johnny's Sonic Shuffle review.

What if Sonic actually mixed up the emeralds, and actually had the real one when he was shot into space? Then Eggman puts the fake one in the cannon, which blows it up. Then, since "not even a computer can tell the difference" Gerald's doomsday program is activated.

I think I've come up with an explanation for the Ark's weapons, Shadow's reprogramming and the station's planet-crashing feature. Gerald Robotnik was also making weapons for GUN (It counts as beneficial due to the government benefiting from it), while doing his research. Shadow was the final version of the ultimate life form, of course. When GUN realized the dangerous potentional of the Ark's weapon, they contacted Gerald and said that they were pulling the line, purging all employees and putting him in jail for treason (The weapon could destroy the government, and even the world if Gerald commanded it). When Gerald Robotnik heard of this, he quickly added the planet-crashing feature and reprogrammed Shadow with the idea of revenge and the explenation of the Ark's ultimate weapon. GUN got to the Ark before Shadow's reprogramming was complete, but Gerald couldn't activate the programming without resetting his memories. The only memories that stayed were ones that involved Maria. [I'd like to have some feedback on loopholes and errors that I could fix....]

I'm gonna say this now, Sonic Adventure 2 is a bad game mostly protected by nostalgia. I'm not saying that I hate it, hell, I even like the game. Soundtrack's memorable and gameplay's decent enough for me to play.

Seems like some of the holes in the story could be fixed by adding more to Gerald's diary. He could say there were survivors from the ark who remained loyal to him after his arrest to carry out his wishes. This would imply that whoever those survivors were programmed the Ark to crash and modify Shadow's memory. You could even have him say in the recording that those very survivors were disguised as Prison Island guards to carry out his scheduled execution and place the recording in the Ark's computer, thus keeping it secret from both GUN and Eggman. I don't know if that fixes all the unanswered questions with him, but it's a start. As someone who really loves this game, I also like thinking about ways it could be better.

Sonic:-uses Chaos Control- Shadow: it’s the same type of stand as Star Platinum

it could be possible the military was only saying sonic was the culprit so no one would know about shadow

A ghost pumpkin hill theme song is the greatest thing of the soundtrack

Perfect example of a review where regardless of whether you agree with the critic or not, there is enough of the critics opinion, facts and game footage for the audience to form there own opinion. I personally don't agree with most of this review, but it's still entertaining and informative.

7 years later this video is still great

The Chao garden is my only remaining pleasure in SA2 honestly. Sonic and Shadow's final missions (for dark and hero stories) just made the rest of the game kinda... eh... for me. The only reason I want to do the rest of the stages is to get 100% and to raise my Chao.

The grading system is such bullshit in Adventure 2 and Heroes. Emblem collecting and 100% completion is so much better in Adventure 1 simply because there's no grade system. I'm so glad that Generations is much more forgiving.

SA2 is special because if it's i story with me. When I played it in a hair salon waiting for a haircut, my cousin showing me the game, saying the backstory that I sure as hell didn't have a clue in, and ultimately giving the game to me. This started my love of Sonic which has still persisted over all these years.

12:26 The actual name for that trope would be Plot Armor.

Sonic Adventure 2 is good but not perfect.