Have you ever used any bullets from Rocky Mountain Reloading they are based in Idaho. They are my go to for any bulk Reloading. Thanks

Watching you talk about prices the first day of 2023 makes me cry.

I'm really enjoying seeing someone squeeze the accuracy out of these cheap bullets.

Love the channel, been watching for awhile now. Definitely making me a much better hand loader. And it saves me money on powder by having a starting point, without all that trial and error stuff. Thanks for your advice!

IMR3031 is a powder I didn't want to try. I had someone keep telling me it was good. I finally gave in. It's an outstanding powder for 22-250 with 55gr bullets, it's great for 223 with 55gr bullets, and I've been trying it in other cartridges when shooting the light weight bullets.

JRB, love the channel. I had amazing results with the Hornady 55 FMJ, 24.8gr of H4895 @ 2.25. Thank you for all the great data.

Johnny, so glad I've found your channel. Didn't know this side of shooting existed. I live in California where we have to go through a background check to buy ammo. Ain't jumping through that hoop so here I am. Thanks for all you do!

I want to say I settled on your IMR 3031 top load, 26.0 grain and 55 grain Hornady bullet as a go and have loaded lets say a LOT of them sense. Shoots good in both of my guns and accurate. I'm not sure you can get enough 3031 in a .223 case to hurt a gun. Sort of like Varget.

The Bob's Bullets looks like Xtreme Bullets. Shallow cannelure and more of a rounded flat base than a true boat tail.

*.224 70 grain Speer Round Nose or Semi Spitzer... is a cool old retro bullet that Speer still makes. Plenty of rifling engagement and gets that Ogive further forward while still in Magazine... Varget might be the powder to try in the 16" 'or shorter' carbine.*

This is why i run max powder charge . General dynamics 55grain bullets shoot well. As well any sst eld amax 55grain shoot well for me too.

55gr SP Hornady and 8208 XBR is my go to blaster ammo. I made a batch with 6 or 8 different headstamps just for fun and it was still under 1 moa. It's the best shooting 55gr load iv tried in that barrel.

Since there is a shortage of cheap loaded ammo, I am forced to learn something new. thanks for the introduction to this ar stuff. I managed to find a thou of Win bench rest small primers, 3oo Hornady 55's and some pmc once fired cases. Next is the powder. I use IMR in my 30-06 and 243 so this 3031 might be my next purchase if I can find it ..8/25/2020...

After watching this video I started loading. 223 with 3031. It is a nicely accurate powder. I have found that if I want to load 24.6 grains of 3031, my case has to be at least 1.760" long. Anything shorter and the case will not hold 24.6 grains. The 24.6 pretty much fills the cases to the top. My conclusion is, with coarse stick powder you need all of the case length you can get.

Nobody has IMR 3031 for sale anymore. I use H335 now. I’m happy

Vihtuvuouri N-135 is the best-kept secret around for reloading for .224-caliber and .308-caliber rounds. Just superb, worth every penny....

Well,,, I don't think anyone seen that coming. Hornady has always been my favorite as far as accuracy goes. I have similar results with my Rock River upper-(A-2) configuration. The barrel is the same manufacture and chamber as yours, however with the 20-inch barrel. It really likes N-140 with the 75-grain match bullet. (Off subject). But It looks like you have raised the dead with your opinion of the 55-grain Hornady. Good searies Johnny, Keep it up over there. Dave

Love the video, good job, my bone stock AR DPMS Oracle likes the Hornady bullet above 3,000 fps. Under groups open up also.

Great vid, love the load and test format . Everything sewn up and ready for next test. Thanks Nathan

Glad to see you testing an older powder (3031) that isn't the internet's incantation. H4895, TAC, and H335, all have a 1/2" accuracy node in my rifle between 25.0 and 25.4 for 53gr V-max. Benchmark is next on my list to try.

Ramshot TAC!!! 100% best 223 powder I've found...at least with the Cam-Pro(Canadian Military) bullets I use.

Wow according to IMR they say max load 24.6 But boy you show it works well. great video as always.

I shoot 26.0 of IMR 4064 with Fed match primers in my AR and consistently get groups under 1 inch, often with all five holes touching.

Yep. Looks like you can embrace the 55 gr Hornady fmj. You got some very good results in that range trip! Good video man. Always real information!

I think it's always an underdog story with your videos, I'm always rooting for the projectiles that have always done you wrong. Great video by the way, just a heads up, add your second channel JRBoutdoors to your general description, I found out yesterday KZfaq unsubscribed me from your channel and I had no idea, I was trying to re-watch your hog hunting trip. Thanks brother!

I'd like to see TAC and H335

Varget, more 3031, love the videos, your style has made watching this instructional media entertaining, and great for learning more, always good to learn more.

this is one of the best comparison videos I've seen, very easy to follow. Keep up the great work.

I love this !!! its the completion of the cheap bullets !! Keep them coming . Ramshot tac is my choice

Great video! I vote for you trying the Hornady 55gr. SP WC. I have had some good results with the FMJ version that you test in the video (not as good as you), however not much luck with the SP version. By the way, IMR/Hodgon should be paying you as I think you just sold me on a pound of 3031! Keep up the good work!

Another thing that would be good, both in this series, and the Mk 262 series, would be consistency tests. Take a load that shoots one outstanding group, and load four more sets of five of that load, and see if the groups are consistent, or if it was just a fluke. Even a blind pig finds an acorn now and then...

Looks like those last three Hdy groups are in a comfortable harmonic node. 🎉

That 25.2 gr with the Hornadys was an awesome group! Definitely gotta try some Shooter's World Powders though.

I've been reasonably happy with the version 2 bullets from RMR. Ordered a thousand some time ago and I'm still working my way through them.

24.5-25.0 grains of H335 is a very common load for many people that run the Hornady 55 grain bullets. JRB nice job on the shooting. I have never achieved a 1/2" group with those Hornady's but I have with the Bobs'. Varget is my pick though for powder as you shot good groups with I believe 26 grains of Varget and Bobs' bullets, but there is still room to test the upper end of Varget.

OUT OF STOCK, seems to be the common thing as of late. Not sure why. Anyway, thanks for expanding my little mind.

Very interesting results. Was not expecting that at all!

Dogtown Bullets 22 Caliber (224 Diameter) 55 Grain Hollow Point with 24 grain of AR-comp

You should try the 62 grain bthp from midsouthshooterssupply. They are a bulk Hornady bullet

I'm very interested in the Everglades. That's what I've been buying and have found them to be all over the place on length when measuring the OGIVE. I look forward to your results. Hey thanks for weighing your bullets that time. It was a veriable that needed to be eliminated in your testing and you did. Exelent programming as usual.

Love these videos! Maybe try shooting 5 or so groups with you best combinations? Would be great to see! Thanks!

Fl resizing doesn’t control head space like neck size You can flatten primers even in light loads depending on the amount of slop.

You really make great videos. I have great accuracy with Speer 55g spitzer and blc2.

thanks for the great reviews, I discovered your channel few day ago and I keep watching. can you please test Sierra .224 55 GR SBT

maybe you should look at how far off the lands it takes to give good results? When I was doing service rifle comp, I found that it made a difference. Also the crimp can cause variations in performance. I used case tension to hold bullets. Undersized the case mouth a few thousands was enough to assure retention. I like your methodology!

You know as much as I do love accuracy, most of my cases that I shoot are mixed brand range brass. I throw powder, primer, and bullet in them and they go boom. I would love to see you do a test with bobs bullets and the most accurate powder/primer combo you have tried, in a batch of mixed range brass just to show what is possible with mixed brass.

how do u stuff 26 grains imr3031 my cases 24 is flowing over the case mouth

I've always found Hornady or Sierra to be the most accurate. One other note Bass Pro has purchased Cabelas for a few billion$ and not for sure what or how this will effect there company. Love Cabelas, Bass Pro is not bad but can be pricey some times.

Hornady soft point bulk ammo shoots REALLY good in my psa FN hammer forged barrel. I used to see it for the same price as their fmjbt but not so much lately.

JRB the last time you loaded up some IMR-3031 you used Winchester Small Rifle Primers, this time you used Federal. When doing this type of testing change one component at a time, by changing the primer you changed/added a variable, thus you point of impact and groups changed

26.0 varget COL 2.200 LC brass with those bulk hornady's is my go to

I have a Wilson Combat barrel on my AR and H335 works good with the Hornady bullets. 24.5 - 25 grains works good in general. Lake City 14 brass with 24.8 grains and coal 2.26 = easy 1/2 inch groups. Disclaimer... kids don't try this at home or you will blow your face off!

Well I tried the IMR 3031 in my Odin Works 18 inch dmr 1-8 223 wydle barrel,. I did NOT go above the Lee book top load of 24.6. 24.6 was also on the IMR web page as top load. for me 24.0 grains was best with Hornady 55 fmjbt bullet at 2.260 OAL. .650 to .900 was were it was with all groups at 100 yards. BUT boy first time with 3031 it is long stick powder. Doesn't meter great. I checked every load. My Lee drum powder would do pretty well but would get a load light sometimes by point 1 to point 2 grains. I measured every load. I will try Varget next as that meters well in my Lee setup.

Every day is different, and a change in primer can change everything.. Interesting how in the start, the Hornady outpaced Bobs in velocity, but at 26.0grs they were virtually identical..

I have bought PPU and Armscor PPU 55gr hp both were around 8-9 cents each.

Try the Hornady 55gr sp w/ cannelure. They are the same price as the FMJ but can be used for hunting. I'm working up some loads for my 22-250 using that bullet. Just yesterday I shot a .67 group at 100yds.

There is a good load with TAC. I use 25.1gr with all my 55s sub MOA on all.

I'd like to see 60gr8 VMAX and IMR 3031. I like your videos, keep it up.. Charles

I’ve had excellent accuracy with Hornady 55 Fmj bullet hole to bullet hole with 223 super formance. At a hundred yrs

Another great video Johnny! Been shooting Hornady with 26.5gr AA2230 and 27.5gr WCC844 for years. But I have been using chrome lined barrels and red dot sights which are not going to result in MOA groups. Being a snob, I only shoot 75gr and 77gr through my WOA barrel FWIW. I do shoot some 55gr Hornady's in the WOA gun but don't expect MOA groups. There are so many garbage 55gr FMJ bullets on the market like Winchester's and LC that are 3MOA at best. I have had better results with the Hornady's. I will have to try some Bob's in the future.

You got the same result I got with Hornaday & Bob’s although I use RL10. Hornaday’s consistently shoot 30-40% tighter groups than bobs. Off topic, but checkout Everglades 75 gr Bullets over 24.0 grains of varget. It is a .6 moa load in my 24” 223 Wylde AR.

Is that because Hornady bullets have deeper cannalure's? And the crimp?

Most cheap bullets have a large weight difference from one to another. Hornady like Sierra have tight tolerances on weight and the weight difference is little or none. I use to hand weigh bulk bullets for better groups. When I buy bulk and buy Hornady I don't have to weigh. As a whole bulk bullets don't shoot all that well. Hornady is an exception. I get great results with 62 grain HPBT in my .223 and 22-250. I was interested in the Bobs with your videos but I can buy Hornady's in bulk for about the same money. A couple cents difference isn't anything to the cost of the entire round.

Your videos are addicting!!!!

It would be interesting to see what kind of accuracy you can squeeze out of the 55 grain fmjbt milsurp bullets. I just ordered 1000 and they came out about the same as the Bobs' Bullets. I was planning on trying CFE223, Varget and H335. I may need to add 3031 to the list.

I'd like to see the best cheap subsonic bullet/powder combo that shoots tight groups.

Win 748. I have a shit load of it. Use it for .308. haven't had a chance to go to a good outdoor range to test them. I have 8 different loads with the Hornady 150gn BT. I work too much to go shooting. I love my jobs but I don't get to go shooting like I want to.

BLC(2) and TAC 🤘🏼

How about the Hornady 55gr sp wc that you can buy in bulk at Midsouth, or the dogtown bullets from Midway. Love the videos keep up the good work!

Have you tried reloaded 7 21.5 grains. Fast powder but will work with a carbine gas system.

John here was keeping some records of your loads H335 vs Bench Rest. I use H335 maybe alittle voter than 3031. Never used B.R but I think it would be closer to 3031. Thanks anyway .

How about a good cheap 62 gr bullet for .223 in bulk..... Any recommendations?

Hey I like your videos I just got in to reloading but I have a lot of questions about stuff I’ve learned a lot from you so far was just wondering if you could answer some questions I have thanks for your time

What about the Xtreme bullets they are around 10 cents each and they have sales all the time with free shiping

surplus ammo and arms sells bulk Armscor 55 and 62 grain bullets for about the same price. if you're looking for Bob's alternatives

I know it's 6+ months ago but what about CFE 223?

I never could get Hornady 55 grain fmj to shoot good either. However, their 2266 soft point 55’s are one of my most accurate loads. The king of 55 grain accuracy for me is 21.7 IMR 4198 and tipped Varmageddon bullets. .2 moa is easy with them.

Very good.

I get very reasonable groups from the Hornady 55 gr FMJ-BT bullets. And they're priced very competitively. In this style bullet, I've honestly never tried anything but the Hornady. But, I'm running low now, so it'll be interesting to see if you find anything that beats them in accuracy, and price.

Johnny... love the vids... keep em coming

52 grain Speer hollow point. They where called a match bullet many , many Moons ago. The ballistics on them look terrible, but boy they shoot lights out, in about any thing !! And they are fairly cheep !

Xterminator! Big time MPH!!!! I get into the 3100s with only 24.5g WSR primers tho.

I know this is late, but I'm real surprised you didn't see in the bullet's what I saw. 10/29/2022

I’m fairly new to reloading and have a bunch of imr 3031 and Hornady 55gr fmj bt. The Hornady load data gives a max load of 22.8gr for imr 3031. I loaded some at 22.0gr (Hornady suggested middle of the road load) and they wouldn’t even cycle my ar. .....my lee reloading manual gives a max load of imr3031 at 24.6 grains (compressed load), and every vid/forum i look at Basically says just cram the case to the brim with imr3031. #confused. Help a new reloader out.. how much imr3030 to get my ar to cycle AND not blow my face off?? Ps. I am using mainly range pick up brass.

I shot very good groups using the CFE233 with the Hornady FMJBT 55 gr and Sierra Blitzking 55gr. Got the Sierra down to .52 and the Hornady .68

What's the twist rate on the barrel that you shoot in this test ?? Good videos !!

Try the X-treme 55gn fmj, but they are only slightly less than $0.10. Have you tried taper crimping???

A little off subject but I've got a question. I just loaded some 50 gr Nosler BT varmint rounds with 27.5 grs of CFE223. Winchester small primers at 2.260 OAL. This is a mid load from the Nosler manual. More than a full grain and a half lower than max. Flat to very flat primers! They shoot well but these are for a prairie dog hunt so I'd be running a lot of them. Should I worry about damaging my AR?

Have you tried hornady 55gr flat base spire point using imr3031 and h4895 powders? I use the 4895 in my 308 rounds, very accurate.

I have had excellent results with BLC-2

I tried some IMR-3031 with some montana gold 55 grain fmjbt's out of my stock, 16", 1x9" twist, bushmaster, 5.56, carbine several years ago in charge weights of 22.0 to 26.0 grains. At 24.4 grains my average velocity was 2924 fps and my ES was 22 fps. At 26.0 grains, my average velocity was 3114 fps and my ES was 62 fps. In fact, my readings were consistently higher across the board than yours was. How could that be? Your longer, 18", barrel should be faster than my shorter, 16", barrel, should it not? I was using mixed brass and winchester srp primers. Could the primers make that much of a difference in the muzzle velocities? FWIW, I use a caldwell chrono and I usually set it up at 10 feet from the muzzle. Do you think that's to close?

Have you done any compared testing with and without a cannelure ?

Maybe in the next video of the Bob's vs Hornady you should shoot a couple groups M193 55gr. Ball ammo to compare as well. Might be interesting.

Could it be the hard crimp seating in the deeper cannelure with everything else considered be the reason for the accuracy/consistency of the Hornady bullet? Awesome vid! Also, you have to get a copy of Lyman's AR Reloading Handbook

You don’t need to be factory crimping those Hornady bullets.

I have a quick question as I am a new reloader and getting my components now. I'm just wondering about bullet selection I am useing a Lyman reloading manual. I am reloading 223 and I wann select say a 55 gr bullet. So I go and it says jacketed spt. I am just wondering for when your looking for a bullet do you just go by grains. Like can I use same section for the 55 gr fmj bullets. Or do I need to go with exact bullet they use.thanks in advance

My go to powder for my Rem 22/250 loads excellene powder etc

have to find some 3031 for the 1500 horandy bullits i have.thanks.

Another great video. Any chance you might delve into why certain powders might be a good combinations with a certain bullet ? You allude to it but is there a method other than curiosity or previous experience.? I usually go with the fastest velocities in reloading book, but is this the best method? Thanks again for excellent series!

Of course you know I am not a reloader yet and in no way do I have any knowledge. The reason I mentioned that is because I have a question about this video. Is it possible that seating the hornaday a little bit lower and having a tighter crimp then you did with the Bob's bullet is the reason for the results you got?