U mean the governments paying via my taxes!!

@@sandeepathwal4188there’s always someone in a worse off situation…illness…bankruptcy thru being defrauded…victims of crime ect…so why say such a comment…be grateful you have a job and illness or hard times hasn’t landed at your door cus your taxes…is everybodies taxes

So basically a plastic brummy then yeah we've got plenty of them.

I used to live in Shropshire. Lovely part of the country. 👍

@@danielcunningham6727 Would you stay living in a city taken over by violent scum just to prove a point? I'm the "Burger Bar Boys" and the peace-loving lot will give you loads of respect for being a true Brummy.

Did 50 years before I left - plastic my arse - @@danielcunningham6727

Shropshire is nice depending on what part you're in. Telford is a shit hole.

There not just trying to protect a postcode, there protecting drug turth.

@@lionheart9692 *Turf

@@Anti-squeak OK spelling police 🚔

The funny part is these young men will never get to purchase a property in that area as they will either die or end up in prison before they have a chance.

​@@aaronconneely8415the funny part is both have property and shops etc😂what world do u live in😂

Any big city or large town is a shit hole and full of gang crime, no matter what Country you live in.

Same moves out of cardiff to the countryside best thing I did for my kids

where have you guys moved to if you don't mind me asking?

@@TheNightwatcher123 I’ve moved to Cornwall, a place named Par

@@TheNightwatcher123 I moved to a small village called Machen people are Loverly not streetwise just kind best thing I did for my family most people still don’t lock there doors 😵‍💫

Stay safe, that's a nasty time to be going around that area of Brum.

always believe iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit

It's about 20 years old!

@@patkelly8309 1 mile away documentary has v short reference regarding the case of those 2 girls who unfortunately pass 🕊🕊 the witness testified - they could identify three gunmen - wearing balaclavas - at night time - in a moving car - with flashes of gunfire the witness did not even show their face / name in court and spoke through voice distortion and this was the "evidence" which led to the conviction of the 3 men

It's pretty accurate fella and they're only presenting it because they played the Kray brothers in the original film.

@@gooner72 tbh, I thought they got the gig coz of THE Krays also., and thanks for letting me know, it was pretty accurate.

I’m born and bred and there’s some places we don’t go after dark or alone

Completely get that. For 5 years in my old job I used to travel all around England and Wales. There is not a part of either country I haven’t worked and stayed in. Definitely understand why you picked these two. Probably two of the biggest sh!thole areas I’ve ever been in as well

Oohhmy😮🙆

Facts alot of these stories are from a media perspective and not real life

Facts the media just adding alot that didn't even happen just to make a story. Don't believe all that is told to you.

Was there a gang member called Tyson from the Burger Bar Boys?. Were the Burger Bar Boys very friendly with the Sikh gang the SP's?. Soho Road area?.

Bro ain't no body shoot anyone in england were a 22 long rifle is the only guns civilians are allowed to have and they have to go through alot of sht to get it and really I think u got to be in shooting tournaments to be able to have a 22 rifle that's the only way from what I read, even the police don't carry guns unless it's a special law man like what we call swat in america or a Marshal but regular police man or regular city police don't tote guns, u all use knives in england

Gangs of Africa

Aye man thats great. being a gangster is hurting weak people for money. Its not hulk hogan and the ultimate warrior, ya wee fanny.

Define a real GANGSTER

you should expect nothing else from this type!...

😳

​@@jiggamortice3870 you sent nobody packing Mr Helmet

Weird name I will agree but growing up in that time I can tell you they were not to be played with. Unlike London Birmingham is a small place. Can literally get from one side to the other in like 40 minute drive. It was very dangerous back in the 2000s. Thank god it’s become safer

Think it was a cafe they used to socialize at.

OK Gary Google

mate im from this part of birmingham and grew up around it all at its peak, and back in the day late 70s. early 80s there was alot of racism, (im born in 88 but my grandfather is from jamaica and the storys i heard he and my family dealth with on a daily is madness) The conservatives in smethwick once used a slogan ''if you want a ni**a as a neighbour then vote labour'' And the NF (national front) at the time where known for attacking blacks and asians, so at the very beggnining they did form gangs to help protect them selfs , family and area from such things, Even jamaican yardies used to attack black born british kids, but its drugs which changed it all and turned it to what we see today

70's and early 80's used as an excuse to justify the behaviour shown in this program. Everyone's a victim nonsense. I suspect it has much more to do with greed and non conventional family upbringings. @@yunglockjaw3815

ye sure its alright when whites do it.. heck, even made a televised series almost glorifying the peaky blinders! But when black people who were far outnumbered and faced with the dreadful plight of blatant and out of control racism, form groups to genuinely protect their kind, its branded as bullshit and they are violent thugs?? ignorance is bliss

aint that the truth

​@@yunglockjaw3815👍🏼

13 21 23 if u know u know

Desmond are you a gangsta aswell 😂😂😂😂😂😂 MUPPET

This is England not the Bronx you Muppets 😂😂😂😂

I can put my finger precisely on the point that you like to anonymously make snide implications around black people, I can also easily imagine that you'd be far too cowardly to say anything to a black man's face. The gangsters weren't black before the war, they were mainly Irish Catholics, that generations poor outsiders. The gangsters in the north east are white

They are all non-native people.

​@daniel_913 yes British criminals first..😅

Does it begin with B ?

Let's face it lovely areas are Wt...and the rich ones...

Before prats started saying dumb things like "innit"

@@mjh5437 Ooo, aren't you the critic, so... you must be cut from the pompous twat "cloth" then, seriously, making inferences with a facetious "tone" smacks of defensiveness, my comment wasn't made as a "put down", I implied that "old school geezers" have a particular kind of vocabulary that is indicative of their generations identity, you almost made a point, but it's that "prat" shite which let you down, at that point you pretty much revealed yourself to be petty minded, insecure and conceited. I'll give you a heads up, read Carl Sagan, it oughta help you gain some insight into exactly how inconsequential and irrelevant your snide pettiness truly is.

Sounds good but unfortunately some communities are not natural builders. Not many go to Lagos to see the high baroque architecture

@ashleywebb2736 Oooh! Harsh but fair, Ash! 😂

Birmingham Alabama.... Oh crap, I hope it is Alabama,and not somewhere else. Apologies all my US friends.

You'd have to break it down to numbers. We have a lot of guns here in the US, so one might well assume that our death toll is higher. Hell, "The First 48" was filmed in Birmingham, Alabama.

Well I know which one came first 🙄

back in the day when the beef was at its peak, Birmingham UK had agun crime 600% higher then the national average, on par with american citys, even today birmingham is the gun capital of the uk

As the saying goes "Birmz is grimez"

The army wouldn't let them anywhere near a barracks

They would make u shit ur pants tho that’s the funny thing John

@@carlitoclout65 With knives and guns..proper hard men.

Lol this is old TV footage.

They`re a waste of Oxygen.

Yes it’s the same old … hamster wheel Going nowhere apart from prison, hospital or death .. or all 3

How fascinating! (I think you mean "there", by the way 🙄)

@@philmckenna5709 never glamourised it, but there's a movie based on the Ghetto vs Peckham rivalry (Blue Story), and Top Boy is based on the street's of Hackney, and it's touching underworld.

All scumbags...

@@philmckenna5709 that's what I meant😳🧐

Not an Uzi...... a MAC-10, 2 completely different weapons, mate. The Uzi has relatively low cyclic rates of fire, either 600 or 950 rpm, whereas the MAC-10 has a ferocious 1200-1500 rpm rate of fire.

@@gooner72 Oh you're cool...

What parents?

@@JAMESLOONEY-kd1nu probably something like this: Mother: the local bike Dad: last bloke to have a ride before disappearing into prison or poverty.

​@@cdub5033 I know your mum

If they had decent Parents..A Mother and a Father...they would not have turned out like this...Killing ..

​@TigerBoyX15 Lucy letby had loving parents and we all know what happened there....

So, how did the daughter end up with such people?

@@marcobagut it doesnt matter your social status or how loving and decent your parents are but sometimes kids just fall through the cracks by influences off many things. Let's hope you , in your ivory tower, never feel the pain of something similar 🦍 show some respect

@@stuzo666 "Ivory tower"? Really? Do you need to be in an ivory tower to be disgusted by such scum? I feel sorry for you!

You would shit yourself if you came across the Burger bar crew in the 90s. Very serious set

@@danielgiraud8467 So, a group of lads against one guy you mean?

Spandau ballet

Pet shop boys I think. Or sigue sigue sputnik, one of the two. And that's true

offshoot 'gangs' still exist, barely gangs just criminals affiliated with particular areas- like AR (new burgers) and GMG (new johnsons)

Solihull is outside Birmingham.

No

@@Champagnep4kki guess organized crime neeed something else to fill their wallets

​@nigelmcgiver2275Hi can I get jack Daniels and how much please.

@Phil-D83......I don't know if Birmingham had prohibition or not, but it had the Cadbury family - who were Quakers and essentially banned alcohol or any form of 'entertainment' in the City. In fact, this is the reason why 'organised crime' established itself in Birmingham from the late 1950's and early '1960's. [by the likes of Eddie Fewtrell]. Not sure why this is completely omitted from this documentary - Fewtrell ruled Birmingham with an iron fist [he actually ran the Kray twins out when they tried to muscle in!] It is a reasonably well-known fact that when carmakers such as the Austin-Rover group began opening large factories and subsidiary industries started moving into the Birmingham area there was a huge demand for nightlife, pubs and other forms of entertainment. People literally had nothing to do or nowhere to go in the evenings and on the weekends - except Quaker and Temperance meetings. Birmingham City Council [strongly influenced by the Cadbury family] came to the rather bizarre conclusion that only lowlife scum would want to drink alcohol and go to bars and clubs - so they granted all the licences to other lowlife scum such as Eddie Fewtrell to operate it. As a result. Fewtrell [and a number of other 'gangsters'] controlled virtually all of the nightlife in Birmingham. These gangsters quickly stablished their own 'territories' and there were regular fights between gangs if other members strayed into an opposing gang's territory. [quite a few ended up in the Grand Union canal as a result of these altercations]. This situation remained pretty much unchallenged until the 1980's when Birmingham decided it needed to 'spruce itself up'. But to be honest it was too late by then. Birmingham had established a terrible reputation for itself by that time and no manner of elaborate facelifts would ever change that.

Lol check the news articles this is just one incident from early 2000’s

Its the common denominations that do this madness. Unfortunately they are black on black crime

Want many others to blame back then pal 😂😂😂

They even went further to call the leader “charismatic” and the gang money makers, but when it’s the “black gang” they’re just fighting & killing for respect. The racism and bigotry is smelling on this one icl.

@@musicforthemind3421 Fortunately more like.

Quite simple, the first gang wasn't black so it wasn't mentioned, second one was black so it was mentioned- what's the problem... Default assumed colour when describing those from the UK is white, nothing racist about that, it just is what it is.

No ,But at least we get a chance to vent out spleen in the comments😂

u may live in handsworth/lozells/aston/perry barr , but you look way to young to have ever witnessed how mad it was back then

@@yunglockjaw3815 yes you're right I'm 27, i was about 6 years old plus i didn't even live round there then either but i do now is what I'm saying

@@jimmychatwin7657 Let me guess , u grew up in maybe ... kings norton/heath / shirley / sheldon maybe stetchford or C.wood?? , but now live in a HMO in handsworth or aston?? , Be grateful you grew up in a different area trust me,

@@yunglockjaw3815 naah mate tipton

Do you love the diversity? Feeling “enriched” yet?