Especially when we can all see he did cal time out on TV!!

@@brianvernaglia9449 But god forbid they just look at the replay or see that the batter had a pitch clock violation!

The next Angel haha

@@LucianDevine Ump: I don't care what the film shows. I am Right! Because I'm the Ump, and the Rules don't apply to me!

Calm down.

“It doesn’t matter!” “Yes it does!” “You’re gone!” That’s one of the best exchanges I’ve ever seen between a player and an ump

That was the most insane exchange I’ve ever seen

"Define calling time" "That's difficult because there are many forms of time calling not limited to hand gestures and watches, we want to be inclusive to all Txme Callxngs"

"Who, What , I Don't Know" "Third base"

Dude this is the definition of gaslighting

😂😂

I died when I heard that live. “He had it cocked!”

That is hilarious lol

The bums might be bad, but Kruk, Kuip, Miller and (...brain fart on the other radio announcer) are so damn good. XD.

LOL. Thats like something the mets booth would have said

And then their reason was also "I called time because you called time, but you can't call time so it didn't count!"

hahahaha! right? 😭

I haven't laughed that hard in a while

Affect

My absolute favorite sound byte ever!

Watched that one live. It really didn’t.

Ego.

These kinds of things seem to happen a lot when the umpire behind home plate is not the crew chief. They make a call they arent supposed to make, and the crew chief overrides their call and makes the call the home plate ump should have made in retrospect. Its a strange thing about baseball, and it will always result in people getting tossed. Sometimes both managers get tossed cause its weird when it happens.

You mean like how professional and personal accountability works in the real world, whether it's a regular workplace or a relationship? What a quaint notion!

ACAB seems to apply as AUAB also.

@@brassmule Abolish Umps and Baselines!

I'm not from the US and don't really follow baseball all that much, but is what you're saying really true? Is there no oversight or review body for umpires within MLB? How can this be? This sport is worth Billions of dollars isn't it? Other sports appear to have some form of system in place to make sure that officials are at least accountable for their performances. For instance, I know that here in Australia the NRL (National Rugby League) competition has a body that reviews any contentious games and calls by referees after the weeks games have been concluded. And those referees who's performances are determined to fall below an acceptable level are usually sent to the lower grades for a period of time before they're permitted to return to the top tier of competition. Umpires are human beings and just like anyone else they aren't infallible. The aim is obviously to get decisions that are correct most of the time. But when mistakes are made (and here is appears they clearly were), then how does this sort of thing just get swept under the rug? If those who officiate know that they can basically do anything they like, and there's nothing to hold them to account, then how is this the right thing for the sport?

There also seems to be an adversarial culture between players and umps. Players and managers complain to try influence a decision and umps can throw people out for arguing too much. It just leads to inflamed situations where umps get defensive and throw the player out, when instead it shouldn't get to that point. Leave the controversies until after the game and remove the power the umps abuse so frequently

I heard that they do get "scored" after every game by the officials and they can get deranked if they performed poorly. That said Ángel Hernánde is a thing, so I don't know.

Just like our Fing Govt. officials. All a bunch of liars.

lmao he THREW the ball during the "time" call even if it was granted (was called too late) you cant have your cake and eat it too

The bizarre part to me is the catcher is right in front of him, and he didn't react to him until the very end.

Agree with this comment. If you make a mistake in a split second moment, thats fine, but rectify it.

Most people today won’t take accountability for anything. Blame the politicians for setting a bad example

But even worse than that, he later admitted that he called time after lying about it and ejecting 2 people! Each of those umps should be fired and banned from MLB in perpetuity.

They should be fined just like when athletes make mistakes they should be held accountable for their actions just like the players are

@@cornchip6131 no they should be canned, making mistakes is one thing, literally lying is unforgivable

Catching umps lying is a huge issue. It hurts the integrity of the game. Now people are gonna question whether or not they can be trusted to make the right calls. Or worst case scenario, people might begin to wonder if some of these umps get paid off to fix games. That last part is unlikely, but it's still a horrible look for the league.

Do you think it's possible jomboys lipreading to the back of the umpires heads for half of this could be wrong? I'm thinking it probably is, and the reason the ball was issued was because the catcher called timeout too late, and the home plate umpire couldn't see the pitcher was already pitching

The union ensures they can suck like Angel Hernandez and still get work. The Umpires Association has far too much power over the league.

I’m glad someone at the game was watching the game.

underrated comment

That is why it is the American game. Higher up on the chain you are, the less the rules apply.

@@ingiford175 🤯Now it all makes sense!

Does it remind you of government, a little?

@@hxhdfjifzirstc894more like cops

@@c7lee Any organization in charge of it's own discipline is inherently corrupt. Part of the whole absolute power corrupting absolutely thing we all know about. #ACAB #AUAB

Union

It's because the MLB lets them get away with being shit.

At least they don't carry guns.

Ego, same with the police.

they act exactly like cops

I love the "You can't call time" "I can take a mound visit" "You have to call time first" back and forth. It makes so little sense.

I’m a giants fan myself but I was perplexed by the ump telling the catcher that he can’t call time, like wtf???

And to top it all off, all 4 umps missed a blatant pitch clock violation. It is so annoying to pay good money to watch baseball just for two people to get ejected because umps clearly fucked up. Why is it so hard for them to just go review the entire situation and make sure the correct call is made…

@@juanmoretime7558 there's confusion all around here. Jomboy is even getting things wrong. One hand up by the umpire in this situation means nothing, it needs to be both hands. He did appear pretty confused. Maybe he said the word time, maybe he didn't. Second, a player or coach never "calls time." They ask for time and there is no timeout until the umpire raises both hands and calls "time." I definitely put more blame on the umps for missing the clock violation and handling the aftermath even worse, but everyone got part of the situation wrong.

@@juanmoretime7558 1000000% agree dude. Literally gaslighting the catcher. I'm all the fuck in on this catcher, and I'm sorry to him and his family for not recognizing him before.

It happens in football all the time. Everyone just moves on because it's impossible to get every call right when things move so fast.

@@slippythefrog There's a difference between a judgement call, and a decision made and blatant lie after it. No comparison, the ump clearly called time. These umpires know they screwed up and basically covered for their screwup.

​@@slippythefrog big difference reffing a football game and sitting behind home plate

​@Alle0104 The biggest difference is they still wouldn't give a shit. They'd rather be outed in front of 40,000 people than admit they made a mistake and correct it accordingly.

I guess at that point who ever challenged the call and thereby embarrassed the UMP would get

He is really stepping up his efforts with that. Gotta love seeing it.

LOVE IT

That and the Few Good Men bit, this is one of the greats

The crew chief ump was the biggest problem than home plate ump.

It really should. He blatantly and knowingly lied and it affected the game. I’m sorry, but any other job, that’d a firing. It’s insane how they can literally lie and then toss people out who call them out on their lie. Absolutely infuriating

Yeah honestly it should have been "I called time, my bad. Just redo the pitch". How hard would that be???

Do you suppose it's possible the umpire crew was trying to explain the catcher couldn't call time when the pitcher was already in his delivery? I know when I umpire, coaches will cut you off any chance they get. It really looks like that's the case here possibly and the crew was trying to explain the catchers time out here shouldn't have been granted, and the crew ended up making the correct call of no timeout because the pitch wasn't effected at all. The players are suppost to verbally call time in baseball(lesser known rule) and the catcher shouldn't have stood up to call time. The crew isn't going to penalize the offense for a catcher screwing up like that. At least I hope not

​@@rileyesmaythe. ump. called. time........ jesus😮

What we need is Jomboy working on a Cincinnati Reds video where catcher Luke Maile loses an argument to an ump. He can superimpose Darth Vader's face on the ump, he saying, _"Who's your daddy, Luke!",_ and get Skywalker's face on Maile, saying, _"Nnnnnnooooooo!!"_

theyre like cops, they have a strong union and no one cares to do anything about it

They're protected by the league

I haven't watched a single baseball game in years but love these breakdowns

It's a little bit like the government.

Union. Biggest downside to a strong union is that they protect EVERYONE, even people who should have lost their jobs years ago

That's adorable.

@@thomasupton2664 it’s like they think there’s Justice in the world isn’t it quaint?

I bet you $500 Million not a word was said to them as they are ABOVE the rules period,

Yeah this is the whole thing, all of it became an argument over whether or not time was called, but someone needed to get this back on topic and go "look, never mind this time out nonsense, the batter was not in the box by the 8 second mark, can we challenge that or what? Someone needs to be paying attention there"

its not the catchers job to micromanage the clock violation and officaiate FOR the umps

Don't forget, he also got tossed for telling the truth, while all the umps lied their butts off.

TWICE. Insane really. Next when a batter strikes out they'll just say nevermind, the first two were actually balls, take your base.

That is why it is the American Game. Those in power lie/cheat/abuse the system, and its all the fault of the rest of us.

I cant even imagine the circular logic and backtracking and gaslighting and basic failure to be even remotely accountable in a press conference setting! It would be the most gloriously maddening spectacle.

Blue should have to answer questions from the press just like the players and managers

Needs to happen

Wouldnt matter. Theyd continue to lie to your face just like politicians. There are no consequences. You could show the HP ump the video and hed state at the press conference that thats not how he calls time-he was just stretching his arms. What needs to happen is an alarm goes off at 8 seconds and zero seconds, i.e. the relevant times.

@@billytcat This would also help in deciding who gets the post-season assignments.

Good idea

It's not really that amazing but I do appreciate his work nonetheless

@@FettermanGPT It is amazing

Wait till you hear about this amazing modern development called "editing"

I cackled at that part of the video.

It takes amazing skill to speak twice at the same time

Yeah the Crew Chief kinda screwed up by putting his foot down. Without any thought that it could be a different situation. But, we don't know what the homeplate ump told his buddies. Maybe he just committed to the lie and told the other Umps he didn't call time. Based on that, I guess the crew chief would be 100% right.

Like “good” cops protecting the crooked ones

100% CC came into the huddle absolutely certain of everything, wrongly told the HP ump what he did, and made the final decision without asking anything.

Yeah I don't know what they were saying in the huddle but home plate ump looked like he was trying to get a genuine outside perspective from the events in the eyes of another ump until the crew chief shut everything down and kept saying "it's a ball, it doesn't matter"

MLB can't because of the union. The umpires do what they want because there isn't any repercussions

it’s hilarious to me that u let us know u were watching due to betting reasons bc who would watch a marlins giants game lmao

@@rory5081 Well yeah, his call actually could effect A LOT of transactions, MLB has a responisibilty to ensure the game is fair, and they're unable to do that. Why I haven't watched baseball in a couple years and won't until Angel Hernandez retires, because we all know he'll NEVER be fired for absolutely sucking at his job, that's a consequence for us normies.

@@rory5081 why not waatch it? and that's not the point is, if they do this in this game, they will do it in others. The Umps needed to be held accountable

There might be a fine for the umpire. But umpire fines are undisclosed because of an agreement with the Umpire Union. We will never know.

THAT'S RIGHT!!

the same ump from "I THOUGHT YOU DIDN'T GIVE A FUUUUCKK"

I can tell you one GOOD way to let the Ump know he's not on your favorites list......throw a high heater that the catcher just can't seem to get up fast enough to catch and drill him square in the mask. Get their attention right quick! Don't the Umps have to review games and be scored on how they performed? If they don't...why not? Some of them just suck SO bad!

It's simple, you have someone in the booth that works with the MLB...not an ump to overrule stupidity like this. Umpire Union would never allow it because they all believe the fans come to see them

"Confused" lol. They knew exactly what they were doing.

Suspend this ump for the season to set a strong example

Wait, I didn't even know you can't protest games anymore. I'm a Nats fan so that was a fun episode of Jomboy history (love Davey Martinez lol). What was their rationale for removing that mechanism? While I was watching this I was appalled and was waiting for the coach to throw the "P" up.

Umpires do have reviews and consequences, but they are not public. This will probably go into the ump's record as a bad call, and if the ump gets many bad calls then they are less likely to ump for as many games or as important games. But the details are not shared with the public or directly linked to individual messups, just the aggregate of how well/poorly an ump has been doing. This is actually fairly common in non-public workplaces (if you mess up at work, I'm pretty sure someone off the street can't find out how you were disciplined for it) but is less common in the more public-facing roles.

@@kg4wwn Don´t they also have some really strong unions? Feels shady af to me I wouldn´t be surprised if some of these horrible calls were result of bribes.

​@@kg4wwnUnless your name is Angel Hernandez

The umpires in MLB feel like they're as important to the game as the players themselves. They have tremendous influence and power over what happens and often insert themselves into the gameplay. You never know the names of the good umpires, because they do their job and stay out of the spotlight. Unfortunately there's a crew of egotistical buffoons who end up in these incidents and videos more often than not. One of the most famous, Angel Hernandez, was finally ushered out of baseball after decades of egregiousness. But many remain.

Why baseball doesn't do major rule changes very often. This season has made things pretty complicated for a lot of people. Not that I hate the pitch clock and the quicker games, I just don't think it's making the game easier to follow by any means.

When umps are replaced with more cameras and AI

once the union collapses

the younger umps are really good

@@wansvans7500some of them are some of them are just as bad if not worse

Literally the only downside to getting this call correct is that the pitcher threw an unnecessary pitch.

The sad part is that they're trained to NEVER admit a mistake. The moment they admit a mistake it calls every call into question in their mind. The even WORSE part is that if they HAD admitted a mistake, everyone would go 'Oh good. Props for admitting it.' Redoing the pitch and ignoring the clock violation and ignoring the ball thrown *should* satisfy everyone. The Marlins because it would have been a walk and the Giants because the clock violation would be strike 3.

you must be new to baseball. That's how umps act at every level.

I'm not against the notion of labor unions (history has proven that they're needed).. but umps have a union -- which explains a lot of what we see in these games.

Did you at least use code Jomboy at SeatGeek?

​@Hector Cepeda The Umpire Union is the end goal of every single Union ever, ultimate control and power. Police and Fire Unions are all exactly the same. The unions need to go. They become the very thing they were created to fight with time.

It's so weird because the cover up is so much worse than the crime. If he just says, "hey I messed up." Then no one gets ejected and everyone just replays that pitch. So odd.

@@hlcepeda It's one thing to have a union protecting employees from baseless job loss. This is not that. Baseball has been rife with umpires who make bad calls more often than good ones (statistically, mind you), umpires abusing their power to fuck with players (baseless hand checks to flex power, wedding ring confiscations, etc), and now we have umpires violating the very rule that gives them that power to begin with? (I.E. "once a call is made, that call is final unless challenged"). At this point, I am convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that the integrity of the game has been tremendously damaged by the inability to hold bad umpires accountable. It makes me sick. Where I'm from, if you are bad at your job, or you abuse the power your job bestowed on you, you are *supposed* to be fired, not protected.

This is what I was wondering. The botched time call is an issue, but Stallings should have been arguing for a strike instead of getting hung up on whether the ump is gaslighting him.

@@PemTheLoathsomeCasualI don’t think there’s anything you can do about the missed pitch clock but if you can get the ump to admit he called time you’ll get a do over on the whole play.

You can’t go back and apply a clock violation but if the ump could do a doover if they admit the play was dead because he called time it was their best argument

That's why the catcher was calling time so he could say "hey batter wasn't ready." Instead of even asking the catcher why he called time the Ump entered a meeting with the other umps and started some convoluted conversation.

This. Right. Here.

Was looking for this comment….😂😂😂

Bro thank you I was like wow nobody is talking about how pitchers have no idea what is happening around them outside of the pitch it’s crazy lmao like he didn’t even react to his catcher just threw that shit 😂

It takes an incredible amount of mental and physical focus to execute these pitches time and time again, which is why so many pitchers are getting messed up by the pitch clock. Throwing a fastball 90+ is literally making your entire body into a coiled spring and transferring all of that energy into what amounts to the very tip of two fingers.

Exactly why the pitch clock -- or at least the way its implemented -- is problematic. There's too much going on for the home plate umpire to effectively monitor and process. Pitcher gets in the zone to deliver. Catcher prepares to receive a 90+mph pitch with movement and the umpire has to prepare to watch/track the ball. Pitch clock pretends none of this is difficult and humans can jam an infinite amount of minute rules for everyone to follow in the 15 seconds before an elite athletic effort. It's not sporting. It's not fun to see the fallout from the idiocy.

the issue with that situation is they werent even out of the box lol, both feet were in just one was stretched toward the edge like they were standing out. should have to physically be out of the box, baseballs rules have been thoroughly fucked up and the umps dont make it any better

@@pac-man2907 Maybe they should just hire a 5th umpire per game to monitor the violations. He doesn't even need to be in the ballpark, he could just be monitoring the game and have a radio connected to the home plate ump's earpiece. If there's any issue and/or violation, he can alert the ump to make the call. So the ump can focus all his attention on the upcoming pitch and only react if he hears that guy say something.

nah manfred only do dumb things, not including punishing the umps

Just like the police

Can't punish the umps thanks to the union 🤷

The pro umpires have a bulldog of a union that the MLB is forced to negotiate with as part of their charter. Their #1 purpose for the last decade has been to obstruct, delay and minimize the role of cameras in the game, since they are proof that the umps screw up at least as much as the players do. If you want to know why ump skill hasn't been forced to scale up along with the players in the 24/7 digital era, you can thank the union that protects and celebrates their right to be incompetent under power of a contractual monopoly. They know that their time is almost past and they're clinging to their jobs as sole judges of the game as hard as they possibly can, for as long as they can.

That's insane on so many levels. Not only can a balk not be called during time (obviously), but the batter can't cause the pitcher to balk (if the pitcher starts his motion, then notices the batter asking for time and stops, it's not a balk). I'd have lost my mind...

You can literally feel an umps body heat they position so closely. I’ve felt it, breathing on your neck, spooning type closeness. Aftershave of an untrustworthy uncle wafting off of them. A whiskey and White Castle laden burp caressing your senses combined with the hateful stare of a teacher who never did anything, only learned to teach someone else. If they whispered “rosebud” under their breath you would hear it. At least I’d assume so, no way I ever experienced that directly…

Dude way too many umpires think they know everything, my jaw would drop and I would lose my mind

@@mboard31 what

@@mboard31 dude, you made my evening!!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣

his ass was in the jackpot

That's the umpire go to when they have been proven to be in the wrong or are being embarrassed, they just start tossing players, coaches, and managers, sometimes they'll even toss fans for getting on them.

Ejected for telling the ump exactly what happened as well. What else is he supposed to do lol

absolute all timer by the 2 greatest announcers to ever do it

Jim Joyce fucked up the most difficult single game achievement in baseball and people ended up respecting him more for owning his mistake

this happened once and Jim Leyland made sure he made that umpire look like a jackass to the entire stadium by walking out and berating him. so its a lose lose for these guys.

From what I see in the video(not including lip reading by jomboy) I am led to believe the umpires DID correct their bad call. The home plate umpire called time when he shouldn't have, and the crew chief told him the catcher called it too late because the pitcher was already pitching, but the home plate guy couldn't see that if the catcher was standing up in front of him. Then they decided the pitch wasn't hindered from the timeout call so it should be a ball. Then the lip reading may be a little off since the back of the umpires heads are shown, it could be the umpires saying he can't call time when pitcher has started his delivery, not necessarily he can't call time at all.

@@rileyesmay How did all of the umpires miss that the batter entered the box too late? Isn't that supposed to be a point of emphasis?

@Brian We can't see the clock in this video from Jomboy, and the fact they didn't argue that when they were ejected makes be believe it may have been super close or not actually a violation. Also I haven't really paid much attention to it, but don't the umpires have a buzzer that tells them when there is a violation? If so that wouldn't be on the crew on the field, that would be on whoever is operating that

Per a Yahoo article from Feb. about the pitch clock: “to make sure they’re aware when time runs out, umpires will be given wristbands that buzz when the clock reaches zero.” Seems like they need to add a buzz at 8s as well.

@@Sweggie Knowing these Ump's, they'll forget which one is which and mistake the 8 second buzz as the 0 second buzz

I hate all these clocks and new rule BS. There are no clocks in 'baseball' -- I have no idea what sport this is.

@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 Could you be any more dramatic?

YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT IT DID

“Who called time?” “You want to know who called time? You couldn’t handle time out! The truth is this game has stupidly convoluted ambiguous rules, and sometimes it requires getting the call wrong to protect the integrity of the game.”

Now this is extreme lol. Have you ever tried to play a competitive game with no officials man it’s a disaster. Umps are bad but this just doesn’t make sense

Lol no it would be terrible. Umps are necessary just most of the ones we have are horrid.

Wait so the home plate umpire was the crew chief? That makes this whole situation even worse.

For real. Dedicate a guy, give him a god damn bell to ring. Boom. Problem solved.

@@wienersmcbutts The funny thing is the Home Plate ump literally has a buzzer that alerts him to violations.