I wonder what the coach had highlighted because it clearly wasnt note 6

that sent me, holy shit. this is a perfect joke for a baseball movie!!!

😂😂😂

rule 6 is a rule.

Lmfao

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My favorite thing is the inconsistent rules. At 1st the runner has to run to the side of the baseline but at home the catcher can't even catch the ball if it's thrown right there

@@kylerittenhouse6521 bro what is that 😭

Catcher should be thankful the rules are the way they are. Thats what protects them from being run over, so in exchange you have to give the runner a path to the base unless you have the ball/or are fielding the ball. He never gave him a path so thats why i feel he was not “in the act of fielding “ a ball that took him into that lane that he had given the runner. He was there blocking the path all along.

Isn't it the managers job to chew out the umpire and get thrown out so the players don't?

Was just going to comment the same thing. Love it

I'm pretty sure that was the catcher also.

No the catcher was 52

@@jacewidner4002 Yeah Jomboy said 22, I hear it now. He misspoke though bc it was clearly 52 doing windmills

"Sacamano, did you leave an upper decker in my private bathroom again?" "Note 6, bitch."

"....Bob you're fired" "You can't fire me, note 6, bitch"

The baseball rulebook is a total mess, innit?

That’s not what the rule says lol. It’s just telling the umps to use the parameters previously stated and apply it with their best judgement. Yknow kinda like every rule in sports basically

@@flyingchimp12 In that case, I wonder why they chose to include that qualification at all?? Clearly, your opinion is in the minority here but that doesn't mean you're wrong. If that's the case for "every rule in sports", why include it? The umpires clearly got it wrong here and I think the fact the rules were so clear and they still got it wrong is why a lot of people find this funny.

I think the rule should have something about how far the ball should be from the fielder, whether it be in time increments or actual distance, for receiving the ball

@@jacobduperon472 idk maybe so the umpires have a frame of reference to base their judgement on? Sorry if that makes too much sense to you

Actually number 52, the catcher that got overruled!

And it's actually the catcher that blocked the plate

Looks like a combination of Baker Mayfield and Pat Mahomes.

@@jimyeats I was just gonna say- it looks like a baker celebration

@@jbirddougie470 its a saquon cely

Missed calls or breakdowns? Well, either way you won't be disappointed.

@@alanberickson haha. So true. So true

You said it sister

@@alanberickson both, homie

Yup, jomboy videos account for the majority of my baseball highlight viewing.

It feels like they change obstruction rules every year.

He was there way before the throw was made which means he established his position obstructing the runner prior to the throw. The act of fielding the throw did not take him to that point. He established that position and the fielder threw the ball to that spot.

@@Stryyder1 .....Exactly !!!

@@Stryyder1 I can’t find video that shows the catcher’s position at the time of the throw. If the umps have the same footage then the call stands- its inconclusive- its an out. If there’s proof that he was setup at or before the time of the throw then I agree with you- but I see no definitive proof. Ultimately the ball don’t lie.

@@Stryyder1 so now you can stand over the plate before you know where the throw is going? as a fast, heavy, runner I would have trucked yall, regardless of the rules on collisions because if the catcher is over the plate before the he makes a move on the ball, I have no other choice. Happened a million times to me growing up.

At least we won something last night ha.

If you would call that a slide! A little pathetic I think. I was expecting the train to be coming through but I guess the big bot took the high road?!

He is 100% blocking the plate he cant do that unless he has the ball. Otherwise let the runners smash through catchers again and risk them getting hurt which is why this rule exists bc catchers are pussys and couldnt handle people decking them

Wow I pray you are never let anywhere near an umpiring/coaching position. If you think the “perfect spot” to receive a throw is right in the baseline where the runner needs to slide, then please stay away from the game.

@@ripmybrain9959 LOL you obviously never played the game let alone the position. So I am going to assume your comment is out of ignorance. THAT SAID, did you even listen to Jomboy reading the rule? The catcher is in the act of fielding the ball. He need not to get out of the way of the runner. That was true under the old and the new rules. If he was in the way of the runner and had to contort his body to catch the ball, that would've been another story. The problem here is that this is not a reviewable play as it is left to the subjective appreciation of the ump. Jomboy made that point also very clear. It is a subjective rule. Lastly, I never said that the "perfect spot" is right in the baseline. You jumped to that conclusion. The "perfect spot" is right in the pathway of the throw. If you would've read properly you would've noticed that I specified that the catcher didn't have to move the mitt an inch. So, he was perfectly lined up with the throw that happened to be right in the baseline of the runner; hence Jomboy making the point that it was "the perfect throw". Again, I am going to assume that you never play so you get a pass on that end. Where you don't get a pass is that you completely ignored the commentary made on the video about the throw or the fact that I specified that the perfect spot for the catcher was in a place where he didn't need to move the mitt at all. If you ever played, you know that it is not always easy to predict the pathway of the ball thrown from the outfield because of many factors like how good of a grab the outfielder got on the ball, wind, etc.

@@HectorFontanez played catcher and umpire :) was taught by Kurt Suzuki himself that you can’t block the plate until you have the ball, you can’t block the plate while receiving the ball :) also you said the catcher was in the “perfect spot” while he was standing directly overtop the baseline. Try again😂 you’re trying to sound smart and you aren’t

Yep. And right before that, you can literally see the coach's southern accent. That's a loooong O in "wrong".

Definitely, I saw it too. And the catcher was right when he said that.

I don't even like baseball and these breakdowns are like, "Man, is baseball interesting?" Then I actually watch a live game for a bit and am like, "No. No it is not ."

Almost

Absolutely

the throw was perfect enough to make it an edge case. The only fair way is for note 6 to read screw it flip a coin.

The rules don't care what the catcher planned to do, only what he actually did. If he was set up and the result of the throw was going to be offline, then sure. But it wasn't, so the catcher was positioned exactly how the rules allow him to be. Overturning the call based on what the catcher was planning to do is wrong.

I'm also surprised by this overturn to safe call, I've only ever seen (at any level, little league to HS to MLB) blocking the plate called if the catcher (or whatever fielder) is just camped out and not really going after the ball.

Intent doesn’t matter in the rule book… but it does matter to umpires and people in general. I’m not defending the eventual safe ruling, but I see why it was made even if wrong in my opinion.

The catcher set up a camping tent in the lane. The runner is safe.

And somehow these guys did the reverse order and still got it wrong.

And the Umpire should not be given police protection, fuck him

I mean if the clause about the discretion of the umpire wasn't in there than that's clear cut a legal out. The fact you were and umpire and think that the call is safe is the same reason these umpires miss obvious calls like this one. He set up, he got him by the runner almost as he caught it, and this isn't the spirit of the rule.

He was camped in the lane. The throw didn't take him into the runners path. The throw just happened to be great for a change. He wasn't in legal position before the act of fielding the ball. Safe by rule.

A perfect highlight for the problem with "umpire's discretion".

By that rule, the catcher would have to let a throw over the plate go by, or try to "ol'e" the throw with his arm out - which happens to be a perfect way of getting his arm broken or RC ripped.

I concur!!! I look for the catcher to leave a sliding land to the plate. What I seen here is the knee coming down before possession. This was legal back in the day, but so was bull dogging!

Pussy ass rules ruining the game for players and spectators alike

So where is the outfielder supposed to throw the ball if the catcher isn’t standing on/in front of the plate?

@@us-Bahn well, if i understand your question correctly, i would assume it's a matter of practice and discipline. the catcher should practice setting up in front of home plate, which is 100% allowed by the rule, and outfielders should practice throwing to the front of home plate, where the catcher is set up. then once the catch has been made, the catcher can legally establish a position blocking the plate, if they so choose, or execute a swipe tag, or whatever other legal method they choose. like any other play in baseball, if it is practiced often enough and well enough, it will become second nature. just watch how well the pros (mlb) have adapted to the rule; a rule, which ironically enough, started in the lower levels of baseball and worked its way UP...

But as it stands the rules are its up to the umpires judgement based on Note 6 so I have no idea why people arguing against the umpires based on "the rules"

Ah yes, baseball should be MORE litigious

Im ok with judgement calls like this. I dont need the sport to be bogged down with lawyer ball like with football

College baseball doesn't have as much usable video for replay as you'd think. Maybe the top 100 teams.

This isn't a question about whether the ball crossed the touchdown line of it the catcher tagged the runner, those have definitive binary answers, yes or no, based on simple criteria, did it touch, did it cross the line. This is different. Was he making a scoring move? Yeah, almost certainly, but that is open to interpretation. Was the catcher blocking the path? Was the catcher standing in a reasonable spot to catch the ball? Was the ball almost ready to be caught? These are all judgement calls. When you have judgement calls, you need to absolve blame on the refs, their interpretation is law. Don't get me wrong. They made the wrong call here, each of those criteria come down on the 99%+ conclusive side of judgement, but they are still judgement calls, and the official had a different judgement.

But if the runner isn't "attempting to score" (in his last few steps to home or in the dirt circle) then it doesn't matter where the catcher was standing before the throw.

You think that Baker Mayfield made that up?

@@keithwicks9103 did I say he made it up? I said it’s the Baker Mayfield TD run, which is stating a fact. He did it when he scored. True or untrue?

@@stevenroberts614 well jomboy asked what it was anf you said it's baker mayfield's TD run. That implies that he made it up. So don't get all upset in a youtube comment section.

@@keithwicks9103 I don’t think that he was mad at you, just clarifying what he said.

@@keithwicks9103 he definitely popularized it.

I think the rule should be, the catcher under no circumstances shall be allowed along the base path. If the throw goes into the base path, the catcher can stick his glove in there to catch it but can’t get his body or especially his armored legs into the base path. Sliding into somebody’s armored legs will break your ankles! It’s unfair to the runner. Just straddle home plate and get the tag down like the shortstop does at second base.

@@rogacz25 Counter point Defense counts….. he’s out ….. get out.

Ole miss alcorn state

So I don't really have an issue with the overturn here. The catcher didn't move into his position where contact happened because of the throw, he set up there. The new rules state that you cannot set up in the lane, and can only enter the lane w/o the ball if the throw takes you there. He set up there from the beginning.

If it was the other way, it calls into question how any runner could score when the catcher is blocking his lane. I support the overturn.

@@Pythonzzz It used to be that way you know that right, people still scored plenty

@@sneersh9107 probably got injured plenty, too. The only way that can work is if the runner is allowed to plow through the catcher.

@@The_King_Ginger the ball was in the air for nearly 3 seconds, he saw where it was going and he went there, he wouldn't set up somewhere else if the ball is coming right on the baseline, that literally wouldn't make sense. Doesn't the fact that he catches the ball and tags the runner without even moving his mitt in between suggest he was there to catch the throw? - what else do you think that rule could possibly be allowing if not that?

The throw doesn't just magically appear on the plate. If you ever catched, you'd see the slot the throw was on and know which way your fielder's throws drift. Would it have mattered if the catcher waited the whole time off to the side and somehow jumped right there to get the throw? The result would be the same. The catcher had to be there to center the throw.

@@ohger1 that's been my thought reading replies in support of the call. if that's the case, the rule sucks and should be changed.

@@ohger1 well yeah I think it does matter. The rule states he can’t be in the path unless fielding the throw. So yes, he should be standing off the path (to the side) until he’s ready to field the throw. He cannot just be blocking the path as the runner round 2nd and 3rd base. He can block the path when he begins to field the throw

@@asdftreeful So make a rule that says that even if the throw is over the plate, the catcher has to "ole'" the ball off to the side....

@@ohger1 no that’s not what I’m saying. He doesn’t have to jump in front of the plate in the nick of time to catch the ball and make the play at the plate. But he does need to not be blocking the path when there’s no play to be made. When he’s allowed to step into the lane to make the play is arbitrary. By rule, it’s when he begins to “field” the ball. To me that means when the ball is in the process of leaving the outfielders hand, the catcher can enter the lane. Its up to the umpire to determine what “fielding” means. But when the catcher is blocking the plate from the moment the ball is hit until he makes the play at the plate, that’s against the current set of rules because we’ve all seen some nasty collisions. From this video, it seems like the catcher was never not blocking the lane.

Ball don’t lie

The sporting gods are appeased.

@@thelastmanonearth2631 the coconut gods are smiling on me!

Saying something like, “Oh just wait till your dumbass ends up on a jomboy breakdown about how wrong you are!”

@@stairwayz7872 need to let these umps know Jomboys bout to make em famous

if both calls were right then why do we need a replay?

@@theguynumber9 that’s the problem with the rule. It makes both instances legal but illegal at the same time. It happens all the time when new rules are introduced. If we didn’t have video replay then we would have to accept the margin of error the trained umpires provide. When you introduce video replay you take the environment in which the umpire made the call away and judge it frame by frame. In this instance the umpire should have just defaulted to a video reply and not make a call at the plate, because he is supposed to recognize all possible situations in a split second, process and make a call…. The video judges don’t have that burden because they judge in hindsight under no real pressure. After seeing this frame, the call should have defaulted to the umps real-time call and not called back.

I could see them, BY RULE, say no, the runner was not impeded as the catcher in our eyes was trying to field the throw. They tag the runner out and you will have a major pissed off group of people

In your scenario it is obstruction. Only one player can make a play on the ball you cant make a play on a ball not there his contact would be obstruction based on these notes Would be a misplay and the ball is not within step or reach so Type 2 Obstruction. Note 2: When a fielder has made an attempt to field a batted or thrown ball, has missed and is in pursuit of the ball, he may no longer be considered “in the act” of fielding. Note 3: After a fielder has misplayed a batted ball and the ball is “within a step and a reach” the fielder is still considered “in the act.” As to your original assessment of the play shown these notes apply 4 and 6 meaning it was a legit call because of the last item in note 6. The emphasis has been on safety. Note 4: On a play at any base, the defensive player must clearly have possession of the ball before blocking the base with any part of the defensive player’s body. The umpire will call “That’s obstruction” and then signal and call “Time.” The ball is dead immediately, and the runner being played on is awarded one base beyond the last base he had attained before the obstruction. Note 6: The catcher, without the ball in his possession, has no right to block the pathway of the runner attempting to score. The base line belongs to the runner and the catcher should be there only when he is fielding the ball or when he already has the ball in his hand. If a fielder is about to receive a thrown ball and if the ball is in flight toward and near enough to the fielder so he must occupy his position to receive the ball, he may be considered “in the act of fielding” a ball. It is entirely up to the judgment of the umpire as to whether the fielder is in the act of fielding a ball.

Why is baseball dying?

The rule is fine. You can't block the plate unless you have the ball or in the process of fielding the ball. This interpretation was ridiculous though. The ball was literally coming towards the catcher as he was about to make a play. This is the exact type of play the rule is explicitly allowing, and yes the umps should have just let them play here.

The rule is designed to protect the players. It's not about deliberate attempts to injure people (unlike, say, illegal slides to take out middle infielders), it's about removing a collision where one person is focused on catching a ball and the other guy is running into someone in full protective gear. The point is to lower the number of collisions so that there are fewer injuries. Once you have the rule you have to enforce it, otherwise catchers will try to get away with blocking the plate, because from a game winning perspective blocking the plate helps save runs- if have a rule you don't enforce whichever team breaks it gets an advantage. Now, whether you look at this play and say he was trying to field the ball or trying block the plate, that's debatable. I don't often disagree with Jomboy on calls, but if you look at where the catcher set up, he set up blocking the plate, even before it was clear where the throw would come in. He could have set up inside the line and would have been able to take that throw, but to me, what makes me think the umps got it right is two parts- first, you can see the runner pulling up a bit to avoid plowing over the catcher before the catcher even has the ball, and second, you can see the catcher is set up in the base path long before the ball comes into frame. The point of the rule is to get the catcher to get himself into position to field the ball without blocking the path. If he'd done that and the throw had pulled him back into the path I'd agree with the coach.

The rule is actually not the issue. You can be in the lane of the plate if receiving the ball

@@deusvult6920 Because MLB makes it so it's hard for people who can't get to the stadium to watch games without expensive subscriptions? Because MLB isn't funding enough inner city fields where kids can grow up playing the game- growing up playing the game is the most likely route to becoming a fan. Because going to a game is expensive af? Because of anti-trust rules that let MLB block expansion near other teams markets, which artificially allows big market teams to have vast wealth advantages- for instance, if NYC and LA had 3-5 teams each each of the teams would have a smaller market, allowing small market teams to compete and allowing more total teams in the league, so it would be easier to get to games. Because MLB is cutting the number of minor league teams... which is a gateway for a lot of people to watch baseball. Because MLB keeps being obnoxious with their labor negotiations? Because MLB juiced the balls so much that anyone can hit a home run, which in turn has turned everyone into high launch angle-high strike out hitters so there isn't nearly as much going on on the bases? Because they turned a blind eye to steroids and illegal substances on balls? Because the way minor leagues serve as farm teams means that trying to be a fan of minor league baseball means watching your team have a good first half only to have all your good players called up at the all star break and your team tank (maybe split the minor league season into two shorter seasons so you can at least win the pennant for one of the two?) Or are you talking about revenues... where are skyrocketing and suggest that baseball, while it may be neglecting it's future, is still making more and more money every year?

To be fair, I think even "terrible" umps are still usually 94%+ correct. We just don't get videos of the hundreds/thousands of calls they do get right because why would we.

@@ommurg5059 Angel Hernandez is about 50/50

these are the same umps that voted for trump if that tells you anything

@@EyeOfThePhi that just tells me you are inserting unnecessary political opinions

@@ommurg5059 94% of calls are no brainers. All that number tells me is umps get it wrong all the time lol

Think he was fishing for obstruction call actually

If he has to change his slide because of the position of the catcher. Then he was obstructed and is safe.

How long does it take the ball to move 30 feet?

At 80 mph (the throw is probably faster than that) the ball is traveling 117.32 ft per second so about a quarter second is the length of time from it being too early to set up to the ball being passed him

ok, but what's the end result? The end result was the ball got to the catcher before the runner still. Its a Bang bang play. The runner is out. where do u want the catcher be be to catch the throw? He was where he needed to be to catch it, just so happens it was in the runners lane to the plate. Are we really going to say to outfielders that if they make a perfect throw, it can result In the runner scoring because the throw puts the catcher in the runners path? And really, u think 30 feet isn't close? Like I said, the ball still beat the runner to the catcher/home. So in fact, 30 feet is "near".

Nowhere in the rules does it mention the ball's distance from the plate. That would be ridiculous, it was obvious that the catcher was in a reasonable position to field the ball and that's all that matters.

The snapshot occurs precisely when the runner enters the dirt circle. Not 2 seconds prior to that.

But the ball was inflight to the catcher when the runner had just rounded third, so the catcher has the right to stand there.

@@ShadowWizard123 By the time he is in the dirt circle he's sliding to slow himself down bc the catcher was already blocking the plate. He could have easily trucked the catcher and from 0:52 this angle if he did the catcher probably would not be able to hold onto the ball for my money. If the spirit of the rule is to avoid collisions like that then he should be safe, regardless of whether or not I think if the rule is fair or good for baseball. I also don't know what I'm talking about I'm just a guy on the internet.

But if he remained further back, would it have been as clear a catch? It perfectly hit his glove on the fly. Further back, he may have had to deal with a bouncing ball, possibly hitting off the runner, which is by no means a sure thing.

@@markp7262 Maybe, but I agree that overturning was the right call. Ball and runner got to the catcher at the exact same time, _after_ the runner was forced to slow down (early) because his path was blocked.

Wrong. As long as the catcher is about to make the play, he can block the plate all day long. That was a terrible call. Dude was out and it shouldn’t even have been questioned

So just like the NFL where you just have to let them catch the ball I guess you just have to let them score

Conspiracy theory: maybe the catcher wasn't checking his Twitter but was actually watching the trajectory of the throw and got to the spot where the ball ultimately went?

The catcher didn't create the situation, the situation was created by where the ball was headed. Just try to imagine if you tell a catcher that they can't ever obstruct a runner for "player safety", every single runner rounding third is going to run full force into home, knowing they've got a high probability of being called safe no matter where the ball is.

@@nichtsistkostenlos6565 wow, so pedantic. A situation occured resulting in the catcher obstructing the runner. How it happened is inconsequential. There are rules in place already preventing the runner from running full force into the catcher, that's my whole point. The runner had to change his slide because the catcher prevented him from getting to home without breaking a catcher safety rule. A few years ago it would have been an out, but a few years ago the runner would have slid full speed, spikes out, into the catchers ankles also. Like I said before, its a doubled edged sword.

They have to fight for their guys, and showing they're willing to get thrown helps there

weird ass outdated code of honor for them

@@SirGaryofOak For team spirit? Surely there are better ways to do that

@@thesmithersy The team appreciates when the manager stands up to say what they are all thinking but can't say because they'll get ejected.

I think it’s to satisfy the players so that they won’t go on a rant and get thrown out themselves.