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The Problem With Jon Stewart

The Problem With Jon Stewart

2 жыл бұрын

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Jon is joined by Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist and best-selling author Isabel Wilkerson to discuss race, and America’s caste system, and why there isn’t a singular solution to racism.
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@ameliereinhart9482
@ameliereinhart9482 Жыл бұрын
48 year old German here: I learned about the Holocaust three times at school. We read books about Jews who were hiding or fleeing or got rescued in German class. The message was always clear: never again. My parents were born during WWII and I 30 years after it ended. I fully support the reparations we paid and all the statues that remind us about the atrocities of our history. And I also fully support our „constitution“, where you‘ll find in article 1, paragraph 1 the words: "Human dignity shall be inviolable. To respect and protect it shall be the duty of all state authority." We learned some lessons from our history and I am happy about it.
@daniterry4922
@daniterry4922 Жыл бұрын
Yes and the difference with the USA is that we never reckoned with these atrocities. Wilkerson mentioned that Germany thought that the US was too harsh… here is where skin color makes a difference because here in the USA and in North America it becomes easier to strip away the humanity of those who don’t look like you. The caste and diabolical nature of slavery and Jim Crow becomes justifiable through science and through other studies
@TheKavebear1
@TheKavebear1 Жыл бұрын
Exactly.
@jaym5938
@jaym5938 Жыл бұрын
Except you haven't. Germany has a big problem with fascism, racism, xenophobia (immigration) and is represented in your political parties, like the AfD, CDU, EPP, etc.
@valmach1
@valmach1 Жыл бұрын
@@jaym5938 Absolute nonsense, you've never been to Germany, so more than likely you're talking out of arse. Yes there are pockets of fascism Nazism everywhere, even in Israel. America is one of the most rapidly racist countries on the planet. America has killed more black people than any other country on the planet.
@FriskyDingo36
@FriskyDingo36 Жыл бұрын
@@jaym5938 every country has a problem with the things you mentioned, even more so in the United States (ironic in a country founded on liberty and personal freedom). The difference, however, and the point you seemed to have missed, is that Germany has made, and continues to work against the things you mentioned. For example, other than Turkey, Germany takes in the most refugees then any other country in the world due in part to their well known comprehensive welfare system. The principle of which is enshrined in the law, committing to protect in addition to their freedom, the natural bases of life of its citizens. They’ve outlawed nazi symbolism and have dedicated countless historical sites as memorials to the victims of WWII. They make a conscious effort to remember and teach every generation about the atrocities they committed, something we in the United States lack. TL;DR except they have.
@annmarieknapp2480
@annmarieknapp2480 Жыл бұрын
Wow, "depending on what you looked like, you could be property or own property." Professor's words gave me chills.
@tometriceshepherd6609
@tometriceshepherd6609 3 ай бұрын
Wow I get what she's saying, she is brilliant, hopefully the government and Congress are listening, they just might learn something, like that old house and figure out on how to fix it, metaphor for a right solution to the issue in this country..
@CriticalThinking-ql2hh
@CriticalThinking-ql2hh 2 жыл бұрын
This book made me cry. It is my family's story. Nobody truly understands the number of barriers that the class system really places on groups. It is the variety of impacts that are lifelong. It is really about the very powerful staying on top at ALL costs.
@bluecrossmovement5324
@bluecrossmovement5324 Жыл бұрын
Actually somebody does, and they’re running for president in 2024. The channel I’m commenting from is dedicated to the campaign. I recommend watching any of the videos there especially the one titled resources: the battle for independence. You can get to the channel by double clicking the icon next to this comment
@colechandwel9550
@colechandwel9550 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, ouch.
@annmarieknapp2480
@annmarieknapp2480 Жыл бұрын
That's awful. I'm so sorry. Makes me physically ill just imagining what you and your family have been through.
@christenasmalls6118
@christenasmalls6118 Жыл бұрын
My ancestors have never felt lest than human and I am a direct descendent of slaves. I was born in 1949 in the Deep South and was taught that no one was better than me. They create a bubble around us and by the time we were grown we was able to move forward within society. We were landowners beginning in1866 and were separated for over 50 years from daily interaction with whites, on a Sea Island of SC. Perhaps that is it.
@jimdocker9606
@jimdocker9606 Жыл бұрын
ABSOLUTELY TRUMPS BEEN SAYING THAT FOR YEARS.DRAIN THE SWAMP TRUMP 2024
@TradingFCO
@TradingFCO Жыл бұрын
This lady is a gem. And thanks John for booking her and getting the word out.
@sheritacotten5293
@sheritacotten5293 Жыл бұрын
so many well said comments
@priceisright1580
@priceisright1580 Жыл бұрын
While everyone is deceived on distractions this administration is regulating poverty on America and our American businesses
@ctwwtc8761
@ctwwtc8761 Жыл бұрын
Lol. Jon is a limousine liberal No clue
@priceisright1580
@priceisright1580 Жыл бұрын
@ctwwtc this is all twisted Tulsi said it the democrats have become the racists they claim to hate
@stevenhawkins3662
@stevenhawkins3662 Жыл бұрын
​@@ctwwtc8761 maybe he is, but ideas are the beginning of wisdom!
@lucindareinas2320
@lucindareinas2320 Жыл бұрын
This is superb! I have a degree in Urban Planning and it required a lot of classes on racism, but none of the issues talked about on this show were ever mentioned. My eyes continue to be opened. Thank you, we need to look in this mirror in order for all of us to heal ❤️
@dreamervanroom
@dreamervanroom Жыл бұрын
Thank you. I am thinking about urban plannning since I have gotten enthralled by the KZfaq channels called "Not Just Bikes" and :Strong Towns".
@geekmeee
@geekmeee Жыл бұрын
We need to stop fooling ourselves that racism happened by accident, rather than by design. Not by design? Can you say? George Washington’s slave ownership Thomas Jefferson’s slave ownership Also his ‘Notes on the State of Virginia’ Slave patrols 1705 Virginia’s Casual Killing Act 1740 Negro Act or the Slave Codes 1740 Virginia bans education of black slaves 3/5 clause in the Constitution Southern institution of slavery State’s Rights (…freedom to oppress & kill black slaves, without impunity) 1820 Missouri Compromise Missouri bans Education for Black people 1830 States make it illegal to marry between White people and Black people 1847 Mississippi floating education created to avoid state laws 1854 Elizabeth Jennings (Rosa Parks of NYC) 1859 Oregon state constitution 1863 State miscegenation laws (prohibiting interracial marriage) 1870 Civil Rights Act Story of Frederick Douglass 1870 Reconstruction (NOT) 1873 Colfax Massacre 1898 Ida B. Wells (investigation of lynching) Jim Crow era ‘The Negro Problem' History of W.E.B. Dubois History of boxer Jack Johnson 1890 - 1924 Eugenics movement 1920 Ocoee Massacre 1921 Tulsa Massacre 1924 Racial Integrity Act The Story of Paul Robeson The New Deal (which excluded Black folks) The Story of Billie Holiday The Scottsboro Boys History of Jackie Robinson History of Jesse Owens History of Joe Louis History of Thurgood Marshall The Groveland Boys 1944 Desegregation of the U.S. Military (…but nearly 100 yrs later, we are still celebrating ‘Firsts’??) The G.I. Bill or affirmative action for White people 1949 Federal Housing Act (Redlining) Athena Davis History of Hank Aaron History of Joe Louis “The Brown Bomber” 1954 Brown vs Education 1955 Story of Emmett Till 1956 Rosa Parks History of the Civil Rights Movement 1960 New Orleans Four (Ruby Bridges)
1960 Axe Handle Riot of Jacksonville FL 1960s Zoot Suit Riots in LA 1961 Freedom Riders (Bus) 1963 Murder of Medgar Evers 1963 MLK Arrest in Birmingham Campaign 1963 Birmingham Church Bombing 1963 Malcom X 1963 MLK March on Washington DC 1964 Freedom Summer Mississippi 1964 Fannie Lou Hamer, Democratic National Convention 1964 Civil Rights Act 1965 Selma March on the Pettus Bridge 1965 Voting Rights Act 1968 Black Panther Party 1968 Story of Eldridge Cleaver “Soul On Ice” 1968 The Kerner Commission Report (…root recommendations were ignored) 1969 Fred Hampton assassination 1971 COINTELPRO FBI covert operations against political groups revealed since 1956 MLK March in Evanston, IL 1968 Fair Housing Act Muhammad Ali 1970 Story of Arthur Ashe 1970 Stereotyping Black quarterbacks in football 1980s Chicago Mayor Harold Washington 2017 “Color of Law” Federal Housing History of Racial Segregation 2017 Trump election back-to-back to Obama 2022 Confirmation of first Black woman to Supreme Court 2022 State legislation which aims to protect the mythology (fantasy) of the past of U.S. History, by banning discussion of a VIEWPOINT to discover what REALLY happened! The pattern and trend of racism in the United States is clearly and undeniably… by design.
@stephanied143
@stephanied143 Жыл бұрын
Do "urban planners" revitalize all areas/neighborhoods of underprivileged citizens? Many (most, all?) major cities have various ethnicities that tend to b predominant in certain areas of a given city...ie Little Italy, Chinatown, etc. I think its Boston, Charlestown, is a very old area of Boston, predominantly poor, working class. Most all large cities r divided up, self segregated if u will, w/ poor amongst all ethnicities. Do they revitalize all poor neighborhoods? I know of some instances of building new housing buildings, cleaning an area up, improving/expanding public transportation, improve/update infrastructure, revitalizing the schools in the area, building new parks/green spaces...is this done in all poor neighborhoods? And what about the underprivileged of rural communities? I know feds/state contribute to urban revitalization/improvements for the impoverished, underprivileged, r there ever any efforts to improve the lives of poor rural communities? For example, places like Harlan Co, KY, the poorest county in the country for years, almost everyone is below the poverty line...does the govt, state or fed, ever go in & help those folks revitalize/update their homes, build/provide public housing units, improve/expand public transportation so folks can get to/from work easier, build new schools, parks, improve/update infrastructure, etc?
@jr-inlasveg1885
@jr-inlasveg1885 Жыл бұрын
@@stephanied143 yes although for the rural communities there are often not urban planners (because there isnt the money) but there may be "regional" planners working for a larger area. One, of a few, major goals of these planner should be addressing underprivileged.
@JJ-vl1we
@JJ-vl1we Жыл бұрын
The fact you learnt so much about racism during urban planning classes shows how useless your urban planning classes were. We are screwed if people like you actually end up in planning
@patricecaudle7284
@patricecaudle7284 Жыл бұрын
"Caste" needs to be required reading starting in middle school. This is the best explanation of structural racism I've seen. Everyone needs to pick up this book!
@loyaltyisroyalty5616
@loyaltyisroyalty5616 Жыл бұрын
Can you explain “structural racism”?
@a.d.4536
@a.d.4536 Жыл бұрын
Yeah because its exactly what is happening to poor whites in America. Completely force them from being a part of anytime by law. Zero federal help in rural areas as well.
@katherinejones850
@katherinejones850 Жыл бұрын
The cursed GQP won’t allow enlightenment!
@kathleenlandolt5936
@kathleenlandolt5936 Жыл бұрын
@@loyaltyisroyalty5616 Listen to this discussion and it will become clear. Or read Prof. Wilkerson's book, "Caste".
@mgbl2808
@mgbl2808 Жыл бұрын
@@loyaltyisroyalty5616 we can’t do all the work for you. Listen, read, study and open your mind.
@tacobell2009
@tacobell2009 Жыл бұрын
The old house metaphor is perfect. I think one of the biggest hurdles in solving this, is there are 350 million of us living in this house and 90% of us are pointing the finger at who's responsible for the repairs. It's going to take all of us recognizing our own personal role in mending this scar.
@democracianoesgratis
@democracianoesgratis Жыл бұрын
I think atrocities are still happening but it just change the target population. After our last presidency, I never felt like I did them. I felt bad for my kids and would ask them to identify to their dads race instead of mine. How can you not point fingers if it’s not a past it’s a present for some
@andretobias2439
@andretobias2439 Жыл бұрын
Don't forget the narrative that's been put out here in public to TV and newspapers in the media we always have wars what a waste of resources
@democracianoesgratis
@democracianoesgratis Жыл бұрын
@@andretobias2439 what narrative is that?
@papacheezie2838
@papacheezie2838 Жыл бұрын
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@democracianoesgratis
@democracianoesgratis Жыл бұрын
@@papacheezie2838 Im not 100% sure of all that you said there. But I’m not at war with anyone Sir. And read respect and that is an international language. So likewise
@CompleteHoneyBee
@CompleteHoneyBee Жыл бұрын
I’ve learned as a dark skin black woman you are more conscious of this behavior because the experience is still so real in your life. You experience almost every day. It comes from many different aspects. Even from your own tribe.
@moniqueloomis9772
@moniqueloomis9772 Жыл бұрын
Exactly! 💯
@nonono9194
@nonono9194 7 күн бұрын
I've learned as a white man who was one of those "everyone's the same, I don't see myself as white but as human" that I was completely and utterly wrong. My ancestors 70 years ago were correct. My ancestors 150 years ago were correct. White people didn't teach me this. The other races taught me this.
@kamayawaddell6479
@kamayawaddell6479 2 жыл бұрын
Great "old house" analogy Dr. Wilkerson! I enjoyed this conversation. We need more dialogue like this.
@megzittere
@megzittere Жыл бұрын
I also appreciate the metaphor and like the way she ties it to responsibility for repairing the issue even if you didn't create it. I haven't finished watching the whole video, but the old house idea makes me think about how some groups are never even allowed out of the basement, and some are upstairs denying that there are any rusty pipes because they won't go down to the basement to check. After all, the TV told them the pipes are just fine. I don't think it's easy to change the laws, but it's probably easier than changing that 400 years of societal conditioning.
@Saabjock
@Saabjock Жыл бұрын
Great analogy on the old house.
@nathangarnham5467
@nathangarnham5467 Жыл бұрын
I am on board with the analogy. But I still can’t find the answer here. It’s still so vague. So there are no official racial laws in place now, so step 1 is done. Do we give preferential hiring based on your skin colour and not your competency? I would hate to get a job because of my skin colour
@jevo7747
@jevo7747 Жыл бұрын
@@nathangarnham5467 If 100 yr old Blacks Asians Hispanics couldn't even have jobs in their youth, then your and my grandfathers got their jobs based solely on...??? You magaturds really are something less, a lot less!
@jamestcatcato7132
@jamestcatcato7132 Жыл бұрын
@@nathangarnham5467 No you wouldn't , you live with it rignt now, youre perpetuating it, by your apologia, you have it fine now , it works for you, you dont want to take steps agaimst it, Youre on board", in spite of your self-deluding rhetoric!
@dwel2928
@dwel2928 2 жыл бұрын
Those of us who live in an old house know for sure how one must be constantly working on it. And that part of her analogy is so true. We will never be "done."
@lynnepetersen6529
@lynnepetersen6529 Жыл бұрын
Particularly because the house was built on stolen lands.
@irvensdboxer1
@irvensdboxer1 2 жыл бұрын
Isabel Wilkerson, she is an amazing orator and philosophy. I hope she gets into politics because she has amazing ideas.
@joycewilliams1017
@joycewilliams1017 Жыл бұрын
I don't she's doing monumental without that influence. It's the powers that be that are the reason she's successful, if you get my drift.
@africarenee
@africarenee Жыл бұрын
Agreed. 🥰🥰💝💝🎉🎉🦋🦋
@kellyray6683
@kellyray6683 Жыл бұрын
It is absolutely necessary for these ideas to extinguish our current form of politics. Our current form of politics is what perpetuates this system. So, in that sense, I hope she doesn't get into it, but how else are you going to dismantle it. It has to be from the inside out.
@lah6739
@lah6739 Жыл бұрын
No, don't get involved in politics. That would be a waste.
@amberts180
@amberts180 Жыл бұрын
Thank goodness I can watch your program too! I need all the sane discussions I can get. No screaming and fear-mongering, just calm explorations to better understand.
@aplusdiva7006
@aplusdiva7006 Жыл бұрын
@JenWren4
@JenWren4 2 жыл бұрын
This was the most important,informative,open dialogue I have EVER experienced! It covered so much I had to watch it numerous times and my mind is still wrapping around ideas, ideology and history that they talked about. This is why Jon Stewart needs to be a part of our media. He is so intelligent and open and talks to people equally stellar! AMAZING!
@bluecrossmovement5324
@bluecrossmovement5324 Жыл бұрын
The solution that they are looking for is what the Blue Cross Movement is. If you double click the icon next to this comment to get to the channel and review the video titled resources: the battle for independence, you’ll understand completely.
@francesslubik5677
@francesslubik5677 Жыл бұрын
Agree. I also see the domestic redistribution of power and its ramifications in this light.
@JenWren4
@JenWren4 Жыл бұрын
@@francesslubik5677 very very true!
@toneyingram732
@toneyingram732 Жыл бұрын
Open dialogue but if you people ain't going to do no better how can it change
@JenWren4
@JenWren4 Жыл бұрын
@@toneyingram732 you people?
@QuiltLady
@QuiltLady Жыл бұрын
Thank you Dr. Wilkerson for your comments and reasoning. Love your podcasts, John Stewart, you are a National Treasure. Continued success to you, and to Dr. Wilkerson.
@allinaday9882
@allinaday9882 Жыл бұрын
Ms. Isabel Wickerson is an amazing human being! 😮 She figures out and convincingly explains some of the questions I have pondered most of my life. I am ready to vote for her for anything she cares to do. Thank you John for having her on your show. I will buy or borrow her books and follow her through her life. Thank you and God bless both of you.😊❤
@idagmillman9330
@idagmillman9330 Жыл бұрын
When I was about 13, in 1939, I remember it was the first time it occurred to me that we were an ungenerous people. I became aware of how little welfare we gave the least fortunate among us. I understood that it was an adequate amount in not a single state. I understood that we shamed people for needing such help. I understood that we destroyed their human dignity by demanding that they prove their need by allowing us to search their homes, for example, for any evidence of a male in residence. If there was a man living there, it was assumed that we - the government - were being cheated since there was someone living in that household that could support it by working. Later, it was women who were assumed to be committing fraud by having children out-of-wedlock - and then the mud really hit the fan! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@katherinejones850
@katherinejones850 Жыл бұрын
😢😡😢😳🤬💩 and this nation calls itself christian! We are a reprehensible species daring to call ourselves exceptional? Shame shame shame! What’s the saying about rising tide lifts all boats!
@ObakuZenCenter
@ObakuZenCenter Жыл бұрын
@@katherinejones850 The US has never called itself Christian.
@tommiebrooks8573
@tommiebrooks8573 Жыл бұрын
@@ObakuZenCenter the US didn't, but the very ones promoting that evil....DID call themselves good Christians!
@carolynfarmer463
@carolynfarmer463 Жыл бұрын
Sho you right!..
@monicabeaston4996
@monicabeaston4996 Жыл бұрын
Great comment!
@dovaillancourt
@dovaillancourt Жыл бұрын
What grace this professor has talking about these atrocities. I will read that book even though I am from Canada because this is a human issue and it is happening here as well. Thank you for this interview.
@johnspooner1403
@johnspooner1403 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I agree, and I'm also Canadian. I was in grade school when the Canadian flag still had the British union jack in the corner. The British Empire was no less presumptive or cruel, they just abolished slavery a little earlier. These same arrogant and dominant attitudes (The Doctrine of Discovery) led to the multitude of problems experienced by indigenous people in Canada and the US as well as the human tragedy that is the story of US slavery. It's all a complex history of suffering and poor decisions based on bad assumptions and outright cruelty. All we can do now is try to clean up the mess. It's sad to see people actively fighting against that.
@deaunnathomas6485
@deaunnathomas6485 Жыл бұрын
As an American who always hears how perfect, united, and all around unracist Canada is, I’d really love to hear Canadians talk about the issue. (PS. Also a black woman).
@johnspooner1403
@johnspooner1403 Жыл бұрын
@@deaunnathomas6485 - If I gave you that idea about Canada, I'm sorry. If someone else did, they're wrong. Yes, I'd rather live here than in the US, but Canada is imperfect, diverse in opinion and yes, there are racists. But I think it's getting better. 40+ years ago, when I was in my teens, I remember hearing the words "drunken Indian" more than I want to admit. I personally was brought up by intelligent parents who taught us to respect everyone as a person and not judge their appearance or circumstance. My Grandmother worked as a nurse in the residential school system during the 1920s and 1930s, when the churches were committing atrocities on indigenous people. She was a good-hearted person who also extolled the value of people regardless of what they looked like, so I wonder what she knew about what was going on around her then. She was a smart woman and had to have noticed something. I live in the west, so I haven't had a lot of interaction with black people. Mostly Asian and South Asian and some Native Peoples. I'm rambling, but one point I want to make is that there is now a conversation going on here between governments and indigenous tribal people and their rights, freedoms and what they are due. A conversation by people in charge on both sides who I believe have the best interests of the other side in mind as well as their own. That's what it takes to move these issues along - genuine caring and understanding by all and a commitment to the truth, no matter how ugly it is to look at. Hopefully that will also change biases and racism in our society, though for some, there's really no hope.
@jujijiju6929
@jujijiju6929 Жыл бұрын
Idk man, Canada did worse shit to some of it's people.
@stephanied143
@stephanied143 Жыл бұрын
@@johnspooner1403 ...Well u just totally dismissed the efforts "to clean up the mess" made by countless British soldiers...not to mention the monumental effort & cost the British Empire put into ending the world slave trade. U still disparaged them despite their efforts. Clearly, it will never b enough & advocacy & allyship is never reciprocated.
@nicolemarieanneeickhoff2522
@nicolemarieanneeickhoff2522 2 жыл бұрын
Jacob Rea made a good point. I think the "old house" analogy needs to be the way to teach history forever (not just the history of racism, either). OMG, so perfect.
@RW-ws9dp
@RW-ws9dp 2 жыл бұрын
I liked that analogy as well but I started to wonder if those at the top would use that analogy in the same way she is.
@4HARSANZ
@4HARSANZ 2 жыл бұрын
@@RW-ws9dp i would be surprised if they don't
@dleet86
@dleet86 2 жыл бұрын
@@RW-ws9dp "Our house had nothing wrong until we said termites were equal to the owners and they started to eat at our foundations"." From a Farcical Opinionated Xenophobic noise fan.
@deanlayman9200
@deanlayman9200 2 жыл бұрын
There is only racism.
@smokeyhoodoo
@smokeyhoodoo 2 жыл бұрын
@@dleet86 Thats hilarious and deserved
@astrammd
@astrammd 2 жыл бұрын
"We cannot be trusted" - that's the educated insight and humility every person needs when organizing human societies.
@BarbaraatQueensAvenueTarot
@BarbaraatQueensAvenueTarot Жыл бұрын
That's right. They don't think WE, as citizens, know enough about what is going on therefore, "we cannot be trusted" to make good decisions. WTF?
@shefchenko111
@shefchenko111 Жыл бұрын
What if I identified as someone who can be trusted?
@cindyhill9091
@cindyhill9091 Жыл бұрын
I was equally struck by that statement. As a person who is vehemently against the death penalty, it really hit home.
@avidnongetit8710
@avidnongetit8710 Жыл бұрын
Wow dark cynical and Direct... Fits with my Life experience.. we are destroying our only Planet and whistling a happy song of denial.. we are killing in the name of a version of God which Love would never agree to. If any Human was transported to a country where this person is in the subjugated caste.. would they get it... Be horrified by their own actions or deny deny deny?
@aliliving7774
@aliliving7774 Жыл бұрын
@@shefchenko111 no one can nor should be entrusted with that choice. And we have *the whole of human recorded history* to back that up. So you ofc can identify as someone who can be entrusted, but that will not change the fact you cannot.
@chantal2264
@chantal2264 Жыл бұрын
Isabelle is so impressive that I, who never get into the commentaries, had to say Thank you for such a logical, even keel and intelligent explanation of our history and what we are really dealing with. Totally yes, yes aha moments for me!
@louiseevans2263
@louiseevans2263 2 жыл бұрын
I love the analogies of both the ‘old house’ and an addiction like alcoholism- because, that’s pretty much where we’re at and you can’t deny it. ‘Nope, you didn’t build that house- but, you bought/inherited it’ and ‘there is no magic fix: it’s a daily effort to make progress. For many, it’s a challenge so great- but they acknowledge the effort is a journey. Beautiful.
@geekmeee
@geekmeee Жыл бұрын
It’s a convenient denial… By that I mean, they can pretend… that they are not benefiting from it. Like ‘We don’t see color.’
@jgray2718
@jgray2718 2 жыл бұрын
She's full of good analogies. Stefan Banach (a great but not well known mathematician) said "Good mathematicians see analogies between theorems. Great mathematicians see analogies between analogies." She sees the connections between an old house, a person with a pre-existing condition, and our country's racial history. Listening to her reminds me of listening to really good math teachers: she explains the same thing in different ways and explains how the different ways are really the same.
@rachelk4805
@rachelk4805 2 жыл бұрын
Vibing with you making an analogy about the analogies...
@shawnboswell4879
@shawnboswell4879 Жыл бұрын
Perfectly said.. there's nothing like a great storyteller. It makes the truth even more compelling.
@msmacmac1000
@msmacmac1000 Жыл бұрын
I read Warmth from cover to cover- scintillating. Prof Wilkerson is beyond brilliant- she is a gift. Caste is nearby, I’m ready to read it. Thanks for this great discussion. It’s humbling. Thanks Jon❤️🙏🏼
@alanai1981
@alanai1981 Жыл бұрын
THATS FUNNY IM READING CASTE NOW AND AM GOING TO READ WARMTH NEXT! SHE IS A NATIONAL TREASURE
@deborahkelly1018
@deborahkelly1018 Жыл бұрын
"The social construct known as race." I am so grateful for African American educators who have been able to answer my questions about what race is.
@kl35962
@kl35962 2 жыл бұрын
This Doctor is so intelligent , more people need to listen to her.
@RobertSmith-up9rz
@RobertSmith-up9rz 2 жыл бұрын
Nothing Earth-shaddering came out of this conversation. Good history class though.
@blackeyedsusan727
@blackeyedsusan727 Жыл бұрын
@@RobertSmith-up9rz Bit it's important to discuss, as they both note that Germany does. White Americans refuse to take a hard look at this country, daily. These conversations must take place for any change to occur.
@shefchenko111
@shefchenko111 Жыл бұрын
Are white people allowed to read it?
@sdsurfgirl60
@sdsurfgirl60 Жыл бұрын
I like how she compared society to a house. It's kinda sad that she had to remove humans to make her point but it makes sense.
@starlighter3
@starlighter3 Жыл бұрын
@@RobertSmith-up9rz In fact, Robert Smith, it is earth “shaddering” how our educational system continues to fail us. Ironically, we’d have to be educated to know just how ignorant we are.
@daleprothro4013
@daleprothro4013 2 жыл бұрын
These are the type of conversations that should take place all the time.....No fear , no hate , just speaking the truth about this country's past and present.
@cousinchris5851
@cousinchris5851 Жыл бұрын
BuT aMeRiCa IsnT rEaDy
@allinaday9882
@allinaday9882 Жыл бұрын
I am more than ready! 😅 There are places that these conversations do happen all the time. If your live far from a town or University maybe you could start a once a month forum at your library or a local cafe. It would help if a few people sought some ways of keeping people interested in attending follow the same rules of engagement that Mr. Stewart does. Go for it. Publicize it.
@delevayminer1869
@delevayminer1869 Жыл бұрын
This discussion about Caste by Isabell Wilkerson and Jon Stewart is the BEST! Loved the deep connections and the path to fix it. I read the book over a year ago and will share it with family and friends to revisit it. We need to acknowledge and address our history.
@lisahenke5027
@lisahenke5027 Жыл бұрын
I'm currently reading Warmth of Other Suns and it's eye opening !!! I had no idea the torture so many had to endure.
@pamelafletcher1212
@pamelafletcher1212 Жыл бұрын
As the daughter of parents who were a part of the Great Migration, The Warmth of Other Suns helped me understand my parents journey more than anything they ever directly said about the south or their upbringing.
@trisha1989
@trisha1989 Жыл бұрын
My parents too! I refer to “The Great Migration” as fleeing domestic terrorism. Truly eye opening!!
@marie2511
@marie2511 2 жыл бұрын
Her metaphors are on POINT! When will the country as a whole learn this?
@larryjones-emery807
@larryjones-emery807 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Jon and Dr. Sister! When I was teaching Black history I wish I'd had your i nput to relate to my students.
@mgbl2808
@mgbl2808 Жыл бұрын
The nazi story is the answer to why America is afraid to teach real history. Chattel slavery was too far for even nazis.
@23rahulgarg10
@23rahulgarg10 Жыл бұрын
Well as a person living in India and, the caste system is much worse than the racism in America, also isn't comparing these two things dehumanizing the people, I mean no one compares the Bengal Famine and the Holocaust. But she has a lot of good points so half agree.
@larryjones-emery807
@larryjones-emery807 Жыл бұрын
My Bible teaches that God,our Creatermade us all of one blood. I am convinced that all peoples need to accept and live by this one truth.
@makedasylvester
@makedasylvester Жыл бұрын
@23rahulgarg10 actually you really must not know the extent of racism against blacks here with that statement.
@inqvmnd
@inqvmnd 2 жыл бұрын
I read both of her books last year, I'm so glad he has finally had a conversation with her! I recommend her books constantly. They are both necessary.
@edwinamendelssohn5129
@edwinamendelssohn5129 Жыл бұрын
Very shallow "scholarship."
@inqvmnd
@inqvmnd Жыл бұрын
@@edwinamendelssohn5129Pulitzer Prize winning decade-long research is "shallow?" 🤣🤣🤣🤣 move along.
@avidnongetit8710
@avidnongetit8710 Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@edwinamendelssohn5129
@edwinamendelssohn5129 Жыл бұрын
@@inqvmnd scholarship examines history and learns from facts. History doesn't start ideologically and wrap "history" around that ideology. Perhaps narrow is a better word than shallow. One narrow lens rather than many lenses. If she claims the USA was founded on slavery then she would have to say that then entire world was founded in slavery as slavery has been practiced for thousands of years. That would ruin her narrative.
@inqvmnd
@inqvmnd Жыл бұрын
@@edwinamendelssohn5129 have you even read "The Warmth of Other Suns"?
@lisamarietedesco9698
@lisamarietedesco9698 Жыл бұрын
Jon Stewart & his guests are the ultimate teachers of our time!
@racebannon2332
@racebannon2332 Жыл бұрын
Lol…incorrect.
@Psalms1126
@Psalms1126 Жыл бұрын
Lord have mercy. This was so hard to listen to but worth it. Lord let people listen to this, meditate and pray. This is so sobering.
@CapricornQueen7425
@CapricornQueen7425 2 жыл бұрын
Malcolm X's words come to my mind: "The most disrespected person in America is the black woman. The most unprotected person in America is the black woman. The most neglected person in America is the black woman." Especially if she is a dark-skinned black woman like Dr. Isabel Wilkerson. Look at the gifts she brings to us all. She is the perfect example of not judging a book by its cover. When you give people who look like her opportunity you get a Pulitzer Prize Winner.
@bmoe3503
@bmoe3503 2 жыл бұрын
The social data does not agree. The most disrespected, unprotected/vulnerable, and disenfranchised people in America. By the numbers, are Black men and Black boys.
@parkertufts5251
@parkertufts5251 Жыл бұрын
If she was white, nobody would care about what she says. That is the world today, especially in this Democrat bubble.
@tula_tracey
@tula_tracey Жыл бұрын
Well said. 💯
@katherinejones850
@katherinejones850 Жыл бұрын
Oh my goddess! What willful ignorance.
@PatriciaNeeCreations
@PatriciaNeeCreations Жыл бұрын
💕✊🏾💕✊🏾💕
@gBalldevelopmentllc
@gBalldevelopmentllc 2 жыл бұрын
Ms. Wilkerson is a brilliant writer and person - I read both of her books and they both are an excellent must-read!
@5ynext515
@5ynext515 Жыл бұрын
I cried when Toni Morrison passed away as I felt orphaned but then I adopted Isabel Wickerson as my adapted mum. I am truly in love with this woman.
@Sarah-re7cg
@Sarah-re7cg Жыл бұрын
“Most people have not had a chance to know how we got to where we are.” This. THIS! When I entered university and went outside the lines and uncovered things just blindly out of curiosity, I mean. Damn. I was pissed. I had a “oh shit” moment that has never ended. The oh shit moment was wtf have I all been taught? How does that make me literally make sense of the world? I was angry because it felt like something was stolen from me, and that thing stolen from me was choice. The choice to figure things out on MY OWN. And that is EXACTLY what this professor is saying. I learned about structural influences and policy and how much of an embarrassment it has been how Americans think of race and racism.
@judethaddeus9856
@judethaddeus9856 2 жыл бұрын
That she is not into titles is BEAUTIFUL! My teacher education professor was like that, she’s always Dr. Baytop to me but she says « my name is Phyllis or Mrs. Baytop », HOWEVER, she also says, you’ve earned the right to your title and it is respect that ppl call you by your title until you give permission otherwise.. Everyone reading this, I LOVE YOU
@jainc.kurany9553
@jainc.kurany9553 Жыл бұрын
This is really amazing……and both of you for recognizing that history DOES NOT stop in 1964. Dr. Wilkerson you're a great comfort for your intelligence; your empathy; and your extraordinary point of view. We are all in this together--yes, absolutely. And yes, we are a body politic. One pill to cure it all would be fantastic. I love this old house metaphor--they start working and it's like opening a can of worms. Bless you and bless you both. And thanks again very much.
@jonvinsondagal7091
@jonvinsondagal7091 Жыл бұрын
i am a filipino with lots of relatives in the us. i admire Jon for being so objective and acknowledging the fault of his country'a society advocating social equality for his beloved country. you are a great soul Jon Stewart. kudos to you.
@ssd2930
@ssd2930 Жыл бұрын
The fact you did not even acknowledge the Isabel is appalling. You need to check yourself self hating Filipino.
@velmaprince5050
@velmaprince5050 Жыл бұрын
I CAN RELATE BECAUSE I AM FROM SOUTH AFRICA . GREAT DISCUSION JOHN AND DR. WILKERSON. FEAR IS REALY THE DRIVING FORSE TO KEEP US APPART.
@christianrincon9171
@christianrincon9171 2 жыл бұрын
We are lucky to be alive at the same time as Isabel Wilkerson. Wow.
@ThatOneRightThere
@ThatOneRightThere 2 жыл бұрын
Great conversation! Isabel's 'old house' analogy was a perfect. This format is the right way to discuss these issues, not a 'tv panel' where people just try to 'own' each other.
@personaldronerepair6141
@personaldronerepair6141 2 жыл бұрын
I saw that podcast too!!! Not Stewart's best.
@yuriajones
@yuriajones 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed! (on both points)
@The10thManRules
@The10thManRules 2 жыл бұрын
@Jord The Canadian Your comment isn't actually an expression of your opposing view of the content of the video. What are your specifically arguing against? Denial, minimization, and counter accusation isn't a foundation for a nuanced argument or view.
@MissyGail4eva
@MissyGail4eva 2 жыл бұрын
@Jord The Canadian please clarify your definition of 'extreme'...
@williamphillips2671
@williamphillips2671 2 жыл бұрын
Lol you mean many points of view so you can gather all the info each one ignores for their view? Yeah who wants that when you can hear one persons opinion and not facts
@sheilacollins9384
@sheilacollins9384 Жыл бұрын
I have a hundred year old house that I have been working on. I have been thinking recently about how I can apply the sentiment of bettering my house to helping to better society. And then this awesome interview appeared in my feed!
@KGchannel01
@KGchannel01 Жыл бұрын
What a gifted teacher! I love the analogies! (The parable of the Old House - we inherited a lot of these problems, everyone suffers if we don't fix it; the diabetes analogy about the need for continued vigilance; the point about how we do so much to account for blindspots in our cars to make driving safer, and yet we do so little about our cognitive blind spots which can also have very serious consequences).
@mgg5418
@mgg5418 Жыл бұрын
That analogy of the old house is BRILLIANT. Thanks for sharing that, it’s a great frame of mind to look at the past, the present and the future of a country!
@veegood6404
@veegood6404 Жыл бұрын
I love all of Dr. Wilkerson's practical analogies that make understanding and approaching change logical and accessible if we Americans just see and act through a different lens. The part about the U.S. lacking humility and believing the myth of universal American exceptionalism was so insightful and on point. Thanks. Now it's time to get to work to be ready for demographic shifts BEFORE 2045 to avoid the deep and unsettling consequences of inaction.
@lseh4720
@lseh4720 Жыл бұрын
All high school students should be required to read Isabel Wilkerson’s books by the time they finish the 10th grade. “The Warmth of Other Suns” was one of the most beautifully written books I’d every read. Thank you Ms. Wilkerson.
@ramonlovato4360
@ramonlovato4360 Жыл бұрын
@@cwwingate9687 because it is…
@sean-hu2fo
@sean-hu2fo Жыл бұрын
​@@ramonlovato4360 says the immigrant! 😉
@ggirlcox8465
@ggirlcox8465 Жыл бұрын
They will eventually sensor, so pass it on!
@SmittyBobTarheel
@SmittyBobTarheel Жыл бұрын
The old house metaphor that we ALL suffer when we neglect to repair it, is so powerful!!! As Dr. King once said, “We may have arrived on these shores on different ships but we’re all in the same boat now.”
@artman2119
@artman2119 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent conversation. It’s always hard to travel somewhere if one doesn’t know where they are to begin.
@ellarweegadsden8483
@ellarweegadsden8483 Жыл бұрын
Or where they're going.
@lalakuma9
@lalakuma9 2 жыл бұрын
That's an interesting way to look at it. Some people in Western countries may look at the Indian caste system and think that it's very unfair. But American society isn't really that different, it's just more race-based and in denial of its own system.
@geekmeee
@geekmeee 2 жыл бұрын
Gaslighting and denialism comes in many forms. But historically, this is not new… “Who is my neighbor?”
@JoeMama-ml5zh
@JoeMama-ml5zh 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah black people are separated by last names and can't rise above hard labor. Literally impossible for black people to be successful and rich. Exactly like India.
@terrnado
@terrnado 2 жыл бұрын
The Indian caste system is self-hate on autopilot. Indian women were raped by the same Englishmen that were killing and subjugating Indian men. The resulting lightened offspring were taught to behave as Englishmen which means that they'll behave in racist ways towards other Indians. India leads the world in skin lightening products. That fact alone highlights the self hate that is rampant there. Sad reality is that the lightest Indian will NEVER be accepted as white by the white people they aspire to be.
@nothingnobody1454
@nothingnobody1454 2 жыл бұрын
Caste is the correct way to view it in American context. All American racism is an attempt to enforce a social system with a permanent class of unskilled labourers. Race is used as justification but the motive is economic at its core.
@katperson1955
@katperson1955 2 жыл бұрын
The Indian Caste system was implemented by the British Empire. Since the British “founded” most of this country (after stealing it from the original inhabitants), our caste system was inherited from our forefathers.
@dianemillerteacher
@dianemillerteacher Жыл бұрын
Wow. I haven't read this book yet, but this interview is making me cry. What an excellent discussion. Thank you.
@JeMangeLaPoubelle
@JeMangeLaPoubelle Жыл бұрын
"The beautiful range of human manifestation" is a statement that I'll hold with me for sometime. Wonderful interview
@lochofmceo
@lochofmceo 2 жыл бұрын
LOL The Nazis were like "Those Americans are taking shit too far"
@Callimo
@Callimo 2 жыл бұрын
God, when even people who think ethnic genocide is fine think *you're* going too far....
@rb-pk8ds
@rb-pk8ds 2 жыл бұрын
Your analogies are so reasonable and really easy to understand and caste / hierarchy fits so much better .. thank you!!
@nogagazal9851
@nogagazal9851 Жыл бұрын
Wow this was an incredibly interesting conversation I learned a lot thank you so much. it was also moving and very interesting for a non-american to hear about... As a Jewish woman I think the comparison with Hitler's Germany is spot on, race needed to be teach and monitored for it to become a social issue because it's not a natural one.
@lewislovelord8977
@lewislovelord8977 Жыл бұрын
Well said. And we can practice the act of abolishing "race" by referring to our ethnic adaptations as "ethnicity". The term race automatically creates non-scientific continuation of the myth. Blessings!
@elephanthappiness4502
@elephanthappiness4502 Жыл бұрын
Needed to be taught
@dwel2928
@dwel2928 Жыл бұрын
@@elephanthappiness4502 Yes, "You've got to be carefully taught" - I like James Taylor's version. So sadly true
@tanyajackson-smith5504
@tanyajackson-smith5504 Жыл бұрын
I LOVE this author’s work!!! The Warmth of Other Sons was EXCELLENT!
@mildredmartinez8843
@mildredmartinez8843 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting and enlightening conversation with this distinguished scholar. She brought up so many things we are absolutely obvlivious of. Great questions. Must buy the book.
@8888isabella
@8888isabella Жыл бұрын
I loved "The Warmth of Other Suns." A masterpiece. I look forward to reading this new book.
@regisnwosu3915
@regisnwosu3915 Жыл бұрын
Great discussion, great conversation. Let this kind of conversation continue. We are going to do this together. There is no need of blaming or name calling it will NEVER help in fixing our world. Thank you lady for raising these conversation, please keep it going.
@RulerofArmies
@RulerofArmies 2 жыл бұрын
Extraordinary dialogue! I could listen to these two all day. There are many difficult conversations to be had in this country; this would be a good place to start.
@ninadaly7639
@ninadaly7639 Жыл бұрын
If I had to listen to these two all day, I’d throw up!
@ericalovemiamibeach5393
@ericalovemiamibeach5393 Жыл бұрын
@@ninadaly7639 You don’t have to. It’s voluntairy.
@ninadaly7639
@ninadaly7639 Жыл бұрын
@@ericalovemiamibeach5393 I wish.
@kathleenlandolt5936
@kathleenlandolt5936 Жыл бұрын
@@ninadaly7639 Why? Are you paid to monitor this podcast?
@ninadaly7639
@ninadaly7639 Жыл бұрын
@@kathleenlandolt5936 Hmmm. Why would someone HAVE a podcast if they DIDN’T want people to watch it? It’s existence is an INVITATION to watch. And let’s face it, marketing/advertising is insidious. They saturate our consciousness with gimmicks to make us buy, watch, play, go to, vote for, give money to, join, or support. Anyone with the cash can access this racket. The point is, it’s everywhere.
@cpmathews2566
@cpmathews2566 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a 57-year-old Republican. After sitting through this young women's interview, I was left with a few things to say. 1) Buy her book. 2) buy her other books. 3) Read her books. Wow, this was a great interview. She nailed it.
@goldenvulture6818
@goldenvulture6818 2 жыл бұрын
FYI Isabel isn't young at all. She's either 60 yo or 61 yo aka old.
@hw6271
@hw6271 2 жыл бұрын
We have a country, it isnt perfect. Great ideals and hopefully we can pull it together. Part of that requires understanding the past. Were always told taxes this and that started the war. Those taxes were almost all repealed YEARS before the war. 1772, a ruling in the british high court came down saying slavery was too evil for British soil. Lord Mansfield (edited because I keep mixing up the names) was very explicit that he meant the british isles but the growing abolition movement there meant things would surely clash here. Now consider the signees of the declaration. Almost all of their wealth built through slavery. So much of where we are, as opposed to where we could be as a country given the beautiful ideals in the constitution has to do with trying to keep a cheap underclass to drive a false sense of wealth for the rest
@modo1896
@modo1896 2 жыл бұрын
@@goldenvulture6818 Looking good.
@cpmathews2566
@cpmathews2566 2 жыл бұрын
@@goldenvulture6818 NO WAY!! That is impossible. Dose she just not age?
@hw6271
@hw6271 2 жыл бұрын
@@modo1896 totally what matters
@CortexNewsService
@CortexNewsService 2 жыл бұрын
One correction. The kid whose stoning started Red Summer in Chicago didn't wade into the white area of the beach. He floated. Just drifted. And yes the city burned. For three days. It's still a scar on the city.
@journeyman378
@journeyman378 2 жыл бұрын
I think she was one of the speakers at the California Reparations task force meeting.
@NoahBodze
@NoahBodze 2 жыл бұрын
You know there are ten time more stories about white kids getting killed for being in black neighborhoods, right, stupid?
@greatestshopper1077
@greatestshopper1077 2 жыл бұрын
WOW
@paulas_lens
@paulas_lens 2 жыл бұрын
Watching this interview, was the first time I ever had heard of this. Tragic is so many, many ways.
@journeyman378
@journeyman378 2 жыл бұрын
@@paulas_lens there was over 100 such incidents like this throughout the country not to mention thousands of individual lynching! My great grandmother witnessed a Black man burned at the stake when she was a child.
@celeste5607
@celeste5607 Жыл бұрын
What a refreshing conversation. This is a balanced conversation that can help the country heal itself. The USA is a very sick country that needs much prayers and healing. Thank you Jon for this video. Please continue to bring out all the biases and racism that is still alive and well and will only bring the country down from within.
@001singularity
@001singularity Жыл бұрын
Such an excellent conversation to witness. I think the conversation also must address the role that Christianity plays in keeping this shameful caste system within our US society. I am not implying that Christianity is the sole religion guilty of assisting in the subjugation of whole groups of people. But without addressing this fully is akin to discussing the Talibán without addressing its religious zealot foundation which provides cover for a whole host of abuses.
@romaerb4161
@romaerb4161 2 жыл бұрын
As a graduate of an HBCU in the center of the nation, my perspective from a Light Sculptors' point of view, THANK YOU for the work you do with hot lights and mics before the unblinking eye of the camera. This discussion serves as an oasis in a desert of apathy in the SHOW ME state. My apologies for Josh Hawley and his choice to perform poorly in his position of public service. I did not select him for employment. Seeing through the filter of a Political Science degree, earned at an institution of higher learning that was founded by soldiers, the lessons of Sun Tzu take on a new blush, knowing the school never served as a military academy. I owe my elevated visual literacy to the refinement of studies at Lincoln University in Jefferson City Missouri. I have watched generations of public servants in the capital of the Show Me state, through the filter of the Soul of the country. I became aware of politics around the days of Nixon. I have seen so much I feel as if I am going blind. A lifetime of influence by Ozark hillbilly wisdom, refined by Sun Tzu's philosophy sharpens my perspective through the filter of my skin and being female. If resentment is applied to the house your husband inherits with you, and you are living with a DYI guy who does not want to pay a plumber to fix a non-functioning bathroom in the house, and he's just doesn't ever seem to "get around tuit" and he's in your way every day when you try to shower, that is the best way to zero in on a universal FEELING that defines resentment. One or both must choose of eliminate all that leads up to the resentment a DYI guy who never gets around tuit can ignite when years go by and the bathroom never gets prepared to full functional status as it was intended and designed to do as a good thing for daily life in living together in the house! When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change. Thank you again!
@lady4real75
@lady4real75 2 жыл бұрын
Well said SUS!!
@enough_about_me
@enough_about_me Жыл бұрын
Amazing analogy of the bicameral legislature’s’ issues, can I add that they’ve muddied the waters so that their views mirror each other, truly chimeric..Ben Franklin was right.
@ericalovemiamibeach5393
@ericalovemiamibeach5393 Жыл бұрын
I will have to watch this so many more times to understand the depth of this conversation. I’m not American but this is true for European countries just as much.
@alanai1981
@alanai1981 Жыл бұрын
DO ONE BETTER READ THE BOOK
@meredithheath5272
@meredithheath5272 Жыл бұрын
I'm so glad you touched upon the story of the Irish immigrants, who were already indentured servants, and who may have, simultaneously, been trying to escape the Famine. Although the Irish were categorized as sub human, just as the Black people were, it was easier for the Irish to blend in, while the Black people were easier targets. A terrible situation - which effects policy, etc. to this day... Thank you, Jon Stewart, and Isabelle Wilkerson!!
@nicolewigfall6035
@nicolewigfall6035 Жыл бұрын
I so adored and appreciate the "old house" analogy/metaphor - excellent perspective. I look forward to reading.
@Latrodectus_vv_
@Latrodectus_vv_ 2 жыл бұрын
Isabel Wilkerson, in my opinion is one of the best non-fiction authors of our time period.
@ICGodInU
@ICGodInU 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@madjoabutterfly
@madjoabutterfly 4 ай бұрын
Absolutely, she is.
@pgrigg
@pgrigg Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! In addition, I think something else feeding the fears of the dominant group losing its status, is the fear that the new dominant group will want revenge and will treat them the way they have been treating others. I think an antidote to this is more understanding and equality among all groups.
@mynamesnotCrees
@mynamesnotCrees 4 ай бұрын
This is easily one of the most in depth conversations regarding America's history and how its so impurities that serious maintenance be done. Every single person in this Country should hear this. Just poignant important remarkable and enlightening conversation. 💯💢💯💢💯
@lolohellokids3211
@lolohellokids3211 Жыл бұрын
I love this lady, explaining things so clearly. Thank you madam.
@h.patriciablackshire6003
@h.patriciablackshire6003 2 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU, Isabel Wilkerson. Your books should be read throughout the high school and college levels and beyond. We should start a group discussion in every community in the U.S. Too many educated folks are walking around knowing NOTHING about African Americans history. We're not the immigrants who came in droves. We were separated from our spouses, children and babies. Our native language was stripped. We were maimed, killed and tortured. It is ongoing today! I suggest reading Richard Wright's book: 12 Million Black Voices. This book uncovers a brutal truth! This was a beautiful conversation! Great job by all.💯
@peteveal9836
@peteveal9836 Жыл бұрын
We are also, the People of the Book. Descendants of the 12 Tribes of Israel. God’s people.
@Crisfer05
@Crisfer05 Жыл бұрын
Many immigrants that are coming to the US Are also people that are coming to the US because the Us has been destroying their countries and bringing down democratically elected governments. I think we all need to learn this part of our history as well as the atrocities the US had done in other countries like most Central American countries. The US has meddle with almost all Latin American countries and has prevented them from having a prosperous economy and life quality.
@maitefaangaza2409
@maitefaangaza2409 2 жыл бұрын
Caste is a Phenomenal book!!! And having purchased the audio-book, it was wonderful to have Isabel read it to me as I rode the subway, went grocery shopping or walked the track near my home. If you're busy and have a list of books waiting, this is great! And this comes from a big fan of original, physical books. I still love holding and reading them and promising myself the (too seldom right now), pleasure of an hour with a good book and a mug of tea. I seldom use Kindle or other e-readers, tho. As an editor I spend too much time looking at screens, so that doesn't feel like reading for pleasure. Uh... I started out to recommend the audio-book and went way off-topic. I'll stop now. :)
@marie2511
@marie2511 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a fan of the tangibility of actual books as well and find it supremely challenging to carve out time to read.
@denisesatt7044
@denisesatt7044 2 жыл бұрын
I hear you
@elaineburnett5230
@elaineburnett5230 2 жыл бұрын
Still despite your wandering, which was nice, you' made your point....we should read caste.
@joycewilliams1017
@joycewilliams1017 Жыл бұрын
Historical speaking reading was the present and true gift any person of color should never neglect.
@rubyclark7595
@rubyclark7595 Жыл бұрын
Ohhhhhh... I love this guest. Thank you for sharing her with us today. Keep it going.
@cynthiamorgan7756
@cynthiamorgan7756 Жыл бұрын
Love Isabel. I read Warmth of Other Sun's & cried thru most of it. Can't wait to read this book.
@Bearyboo87
@Bearyboo87 2 жыл бұрын
I went to the place where my great grandmother and many other family members were processed in Germany. It was horrible and rage inducing and made me feel sick but it did help me grow as an individual and wish that for everyone else from a people who have been wronged. I do not claim to get intergenerational trauma the way other peoples do but my farther was a bastard and my grandfather, I don't know what happened to him in that place but it made it a little easier to forgive them both.
@citygirlseattle
@citygirlseattle 2 жыл бұрын
She is absolutely a master of metaphor. She brought so many complex ideas to life in such tangible ways.
@deeznutz8320
@deeznutz8320 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah you dummy Muricans need everything in 3rd grade learning terms lol
@LB-tw7gg
@LB-tw7gg 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@edwinamendelssohn5129
@edwinamendelssohn5129 Жыл бұрын
She ignored the caste system of India and immediately deflected. She's not genuine
@KCal1213
@KCal1213 Жыл бұрын
Dr. Wilkerson is the perfect person who has the intelligence and temperament to have this discussion. We have to take the emotion out of the discussion.
@tometriceshepherd6609
@tometriceshepherd6609 2 жыл бұрын
Lord you all have touched my inner most thoughts. I remember as a eleven years old while living in Tennessee me and my siblings were walking home when this white truck came around the corner and in the back of the truck there were several white men's and his driver on the back of the truck I saw this huge round tub in their possession as they turned from one street to the other me and my siblings saw the truck so we started to move further out of their way but they were coming toward us we couldn't get over anymore but they were up to no good inside that tub it was filled with Urine they both lifted it up and threw it on me and my siblings, have this ever happened to anyone else in a small town in TN. I just want to share my history and horrible treatment from whites, this were happening a lot, we didn't tell my mom didn't want her to get hurt or retaliate on her for complainting
@csl110
@csl110 Жыл бұрын
Jesus christ. That's horrible.
@myronschabe
@myronschabe Жыл бұрын
That is horrible...I don't know what your religious views are but I am a Buddhist and therefore there is an understanding of reincarnation ( I remember past lives, so it is not an abstract notion). When you understand this mechanism of reincarnation it takes the 'pressure' off this one life...those racist folks may be born into lives where they are minorities and you may be born into dominate classes next time etc... what it does is also level the playing field...but what you can take with you from lifetime to lifetime is your integrity and your karma, which is your tendencies...so, you may not look like you win in the short-term but you can win in the long-term so to speak. Again, I don't mean to potentially offend your sensibilities but more offer an explanation that allows more light and even justice in :) Bless you for protecting your mom. (And as well, beneath the racism is insecurity and fear- fear of your ethnicities power).
@haberdasherrykr8886
@haberdasherrykr8886 Жыл бұрын
Wtf i would've opened gatling gun
@chantal2264
@chantal2264 Жыл бұрын
Im sorry that happened to you ❤
@crc5795
@crc5795 Жыл бұрын
I had repeated incidents of having trash thrown at me while being called “n$&&@r!” when walking home from school. I was not allowed in the homes of many white childhood friends. These are just two of the many racially-charged things I endured. I’m 50 years old and those things happened in Denver, CO in the 80s.
@lks8067
@lks8067 2 жыл бұрын
I am not sure where Jon gets these interviewees. Absolutely brilliant communicators. Clear and thoughtful in articulating. Almost wonder if Jon makes them this way with his way of questioning. Sure editing has something to do with it, but the nuanced way they respond without any sensational statements makes you appreciate how much they understand the topic. Always leave these videos thinking more deeply on the topic. Kudos Jon for continuing to make us think.
@radd696
@radd696 2 жыл бұрын
Most seem to be from university, and, therefore, are not ruled by tv ratings. As you state, they all seem quite comfortable with the subject matter and seem to have experience communicating the material rather clearly. I'm sure Jon's staff puts in the time to find these gems.
@teresaamanfu7408
@teresaamanfu7408 2 жыл бұрын
This is what happens when ratings is NOT the goal.
@ariandawn4667
@ariandawn4667 2 жыл бұрын
i totally thought the same thing after this interview. it often seems like he's interviewing a friend. idk how he does it but i like that he's gifted that way!
@Dgoodsify
@Dgoodsify 2 жыл бұрын
oh you think she's articulate huh?
@jollyrodger5319
@jollyrodger5319 2 жыл бұрын
First 5 minutes of this conversation tells you more about America than I've read in any history book and it's 100% true we live in an oligarchy not a democracy
@leevy6753
@leevy6753 2 жыл бұрын
And yet it's surprising that half the country wanted 8 years of another Clinton. That would have meant that 28 out of 35 years would have been a Clinton or Bush. The other 8 was Obama. That was reason enough for me to not vote for Hillary.
@hoosier3060
@hoosier3060 2 жыл бұрын
@@leevy6753 if Clinton “won” (she cheated Bernie), we would have been in WW3 by now. Say what you will about trump but thank god he beat her
@Vexas345
@Vexas345 2 жыл бұрын
@@leevy6753 I didn't want another Clinton. I think close family should count in the term limits. But it's not like I could vote for Trump.
@dbelezi2157
@dbelezi2157 2 жыл бұрын
Realize that the Democrat party were proponents of the racist policies of the past. Democrats supported slavery, upheld Jim Crow laws, and were against the Civil rights asct.
@SpacemanXC
@SpacemanXC 2 жыл бұрын
You should read more history books. Maybe part of the problem is no one reads anymore.
@channagirijagadish1201
@channagirijagadish1201 11 ай бұрын
Extraordinary interview. I wish everyone is taught history really well to understand the American Context. This is one of the finest interviews by Jon Stewart. And Isabelle is truly the star. I am glad she discussed Indian Caste System which is truly disgusting and hurt people for 2+ thousand years and no change whatsoever. Thanks again for an extraordinary discussion.
@todaysthoughtbubbles
@todaysthoughtbubbles Жыл бұрын
I’m a white genX woman. I’ve been a Democratic Socialist since I was in my 30’s. I have found it extremely helpful to listen to content creators who are people of color, and of course I was very surprised at first, by my reluctance to do so! But I did anyway and my tictok is full of brilliant women and men who put out the most amazing content. And whenever one of the people I follow says, “This is just for white people to listen to. Now, naturally my first urge is to cringe and prepare myself for a good lambasting, but it never happens. The grace we white people are afforded is nothing short of humbling. It really is the best thing I’ve done as far as deconstruction of my own unconscious bias. And it is there. And I hate that it’s there. But I am actively working on it, and will for the rest of my life. This has been my favorite episode so far. Thank you, Jon, for giving a platform like this. It’s so badly needed. Thank you too, Isabel. I hope I spelled your name correctly.
@vibe6496
@vibe6496 2 жыл бұрын
A really fantastic episode. Learned so much.
@ghostfacekilla9647
@ghostfacekilla9647 2 жыл бұрын
Isabella Wilkerson’s book “The Warmth of Other Suns” is the best book ever. It’s a must read.
@joan6984
@joan6984 2 жыл бұрын
That is a recommendation to not ignore
@timprovinsal1337
@timprovinsal1337 Жыл бұрын
Gonna gotta get her works. Animal farm comes to mind. Thank you both for this enlightening conversation
@sandradelano8663
@sandradelano8663 Жыл бұрын
Wow, great interview. Just ordered “Caste” and I have already read “The Warmth of Other Suns”, which should be required reading in schools. We really do need to rebuild our house.
@alicialynnette9889
@alicialynnette9889 2 жыл бұрын
It was so nice to see an interview where it was an actual conversation and someone trying to talk you out of your feelings and truly wants to learn on both sides. He isn't feeling guilty or is shamed and likewise. Very refreshing. I'm very shocked because this isn't the norm. I have watched another on of his episodes before and a lot of people totally missed the point and took on that anger and guilt and missed the entire reason why it was made. We can't grow unless it's acknowledged, heard and then we can make progress. Thank you both.
@radioblipmode3143
@radioblipmode3143 2 жыл бұрын
Keep believing that garbage! Jon Stewart ain’t speaking for me. He needs to stay in his lane.
@cottonhairedaesthetic2005
@cottonhairedaesthetic2005 2 жыл бұрын
It’s so rare that yt Americans listen, I’ve formed instant friendships with the ones that are actually educated on issues. It takes a really genuine person to realize their place in society to make it better for everyone.
@alicialynnette9889
@alicialynnette9889 2 жыл бұрын
@@radioblipmode3143 ok someone is angry for no reason. That energy isn't helping you at all. It's a free country people can go in whatever lanes they want. So since you want to assign lanes. Stay in that angry lane. It's suits you well. Jon isn't speaking for you. He doesn't know you. Stop being so sensitive that when people are talking about this topic that they are judging you they aren't. Since you feel that way own those feelings. That is a personal issue you have with yourself. Don't go and place what you are lacking on someone else.
@alicialynnette9889
@alicialynnette9889 2 жыл бұрын
@@cottonhairedaesthetic2005 I so agree with you. While other people lead with anger. It's best to do so with understanding.
@smokeyhoodoo
@smokeyhoodoo 2 жыл бұрын
@@alicialynnette9889 There isnt two sides here, jon comes from a community that raises its children with warnings about white people
@tinydancer8536
@tinydancer8536 2 жыл бұрын
She is an angel sent from heaven. So lovely.
@judithstone-aaen5552
@judithstone-aaen5552 5 ай бұрын
One of the most consequential interviews I have seen in my 76 years. Thank you
@jerrylumpy5141
@jerrylumpy5141 Жыл бұрын
The Warmth of other suns' was incredible. I have to read the other book Caste. I recall as a kid I loved history but majored in science. As an adult throughout my years in living I know how important history is to America.
@Bridget2460
@Bridget2460 2 жыл бұрын
What can also be added to the metaphor relating to the house, as we speak of caste. Once another person takes possession of the house are they economically, and/or educationally capable of sustaining the house. What a powerful conversation. Can not wait to read your book title “Caste.”
@robinsnead7635
@robinsnead7635 2 жыл бұрын
I love you Jon, I’ve been listening to your podcast I have never seen anyone address American history like you have l have tears In my eyes I’m so appreciative of you trying to tell the truth about the constructs that is formed institutional racism in this country. I love you I wish I knew you I wish you can sit and talk with me
@ammaleslie509
@ammaleslie509 Жыл бұрын
A lot of us feel the same way
@BiscuitsInSeptember
@BiscuitsInSeptember Жыл бұрын
What a great metaphor. People get so defensive when we're asked to solve society's problems when really we all can solve our problems and move forward with equality for all.
@KaikalaMoon
@KaikalaMoon Жыл бұрын
Great conversation. I am intrigued by Isabel Wilkerson's work. I also like the "truth and reconciliation commission" idea. Once the truth is exposed, it must be analyzed and discussed. Reparations must be paid to be made whole, as in any personal injury case, and then we can heal. Thank you Ms Wilkerson for your research.
@Saysonow
@Saysonow 2 жыл бұрын
I applaud John Stewart for facilitating these very important discussions on race.
@bigdaddy0614
@bigdaddy0614 2 жыл бұрын
he's pushing white liberal savior politics.
@Saysonow
@Saysonow 2 жыл бұрын
@@bigdaddy0614 That is nonsensical. It is clear you do not understand the concept of the White Savior complex. If John was pushing that mentality, he would not be engaging with an intelligent and accomplished Black woman. You are trying to discourage well-thinking White people from engaging in serious discussions about race because you want to keep the status quo in place. Shame on you!
@taktakchannel
@taktakchannel 2 жыл бұрын
"Justification, jurisprudence and a legal framework to rationalize a belief" says everything about how systems a built.
@ceeceesyl1097
@ceeceesyl1097 Жыл бұрын
This is the best conversation on racism I've heard yet..ty both for this.
@countryny3034
@countryny3034 4 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for bringing Dr Wilkerson to us. We can never say it often or loud enough that we all have to do our part to fix the American caste system
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