Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell: A Board Game of English Magic Review - with Tom Vasel

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Tom Vasel takes a look at a game about magic & magicians!
00:00 - Introduction
01:48 - Overview
08:26 - Final Thoughts
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@pcuimac
@pcuimac 5 жыл бұрын
The BBC series is very good! The actors, setting and overall feel of the time is perfectly portrayed. I love the fairy magic that is very disconcerting and unhuman. It's also sometimes very funny. I also recomend The Magicians on Amazon Prime.
@RowantarotBlogspot
@RowantarotBlogspot 5 жыл бұрын
There's only one book, Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell. It's as long as a series of books, I guess. We've been enjoying the game, but I do think you have to bring ALL of the theme to the game yourself, or rather, you have to know exactly what you're looking for to see it. As it is, this game attempts to capture important aspects of the book: the search for societal connections in Georgian England, collection of books of magic, increase in magical skills, and performing very public feats of magic in order to increase your personal renown. I can see where you're coming from, but we do like it. It's got the tone of the book down rather pat. As to reading the book, it's very good, but it's quite possible you will also find it 'much ado about nothing', because it is as meandering, convoluted and in ways ambiguous as this board game. We know we are in the minority opinion on this game, but we like it and it will stay in our collection. :)
@woad23
@woad23 5 жыл бұрын
I was going to write a comment, but then I read yours and it would have been redundant. Agree wholeheartedly with all of this.
@timhipkiss
@timhipkiss 5 жыл бұрын
I highly recommend the book, despite the game!
@danmaynard748
@danmaynard748 5 жыл бұрын
There have been a lot of awkward edits lately, either right before the review or right at the end of video, where Tom just wanders out of frame. Not mad or anything obviously just mentioning it.
@EpicGamingNight
@EpicGamingNight 5 жыл бұрын
Dan Maynard I’m on it! 🤔 I’ll keep a keen eye out for missed cuts! 😳
@redeyedghost1406
@redeyedghost1406 5 жыл бұрын
Hmm, I'm not sure what you're talking about. You haven't cast "A spell to see what your enemy is doing" have you? Watch out, Tom! I kind of liked the sad Tom walking away after the intro. Probably could have stopped the video there, and I would have already known all I needed to know about the game. Too bad it sucked, both the book and the show are fantastic.
@argel1200
@argel1200 5 жыл бұрын
I thought it might be a tell that Tom didn't like the game.
@comanaut9566
@comanaut9566 5 жыл бұрын
I’m not surprised that Tom found the game frustrating. Without the context of the book the theme is meaningless, the rule book fails to clarify certain actions, and it is extremely random... The randomness can be mitigated with clever interplay between the spell books, spells and your choice of actions but it will probably take a good few plays before this starts to reveal itself & unfortunately most players won’t have the desire or patience to discover this. The components & art are beautiful however. The designers said that they were trying to replicate the feel of the parlour games that were played in that era & I think this comes across... they should’ve stuck to this and ditched the board, keeping it as a pure card game.
@CapriciousIntent
@CapriciousIntent 5 жыл бұрын
I was so hyped for this game when I first heard about it. I loooved the miniseries. But after reading comments on BGG, I knew this was one I needed to hold off on until I could see a review. Disappointing to hear.
@GunslingerSNP
@GunslingerSNP 5 жыл бұрын
I fall somewhere in the middle when it comes to the book. I liked the setting and theme, I enjoyed the first half or so, but there were parts that reeaaaalllyyyy dragged. Overall I was disappointed as I really wanted to like it, although I can understand why some people love / hate the book. The TV series was much better imo.
@TheMr02drop
@TheMr02drop 5 жыл бұрын
Much Ado About Nothing is Shakespeare!
@jonasmiekkamies
@jonasmiekkamies 5 жыл бұрын
Book is great, pity about the game.
@Akockaelvanvetve
@Akockaelvanvetve 5 жыл бұрын
I agree. The book and the tv show is good, I had high hopes for this game, but it flopped for me.
@jesuscoutofandino6280
@jesuscoutofandino6280 5 жыл бұрын
I think you may have it backwards. In our case, the people that enjoyed the game the most were the ones that didnt knew anything about the book because then it is just a Euro game of racing for points. Not a great game of that, but not a completly bad game of that. Me, on the other hand, knowing the books, the only thing I "get" is that .. .yea, the feats are things that happened in the book. Only in the book they were important stuff, and here they are just... points. Hurray. If in the book one character is cursed with something or manages to win a huge position shift from "pupil" to "rival" by doing something, well, here ... is just points.
@ski6913
@ski6913 5 жыл бұрын
Bummer...this is one of my 4-5 favorite books of all time, and I feel like there’s a great game to be made from the theme. Alas, this is apparently not it.
@PatrickMurphy-sg5fn
@PatrickMurphy-sg5fn 5 жыл бұрын
The book is amazing. Sad to see and hear that this game is so meh. If you are looking for a game that has a similar theme, check out Fantastiqa.
@myoman1977
@myoman1977 5 жыл бұрын
Ugh. Symbol collection. As soon as I see that it means its just a tacked on theme like ancient terrible things or legends of the American Frontier.
@gml4
@gml4 5 жыл бұрын
I read half that book... and I finally gave up on it. Boring characters, long convoluted plot, and the book is REALLY long and slow paced.
@Freyalder
@Freyalder 5 жыл бұрын
I really wanted to like the book! Barely managed past 1/3
@richardviguurs5488
@richardviguurs5488 5 жыл бұрын
The writing style of the book wasn't my favourite either. Definitely took some getting used to; in the end I enjoyed the story in itself enough to complete the book though. I really liked the miniseries and prefer that over the book (usually it's the other way around). The game does look slow paced (as you described the book), soin that way it may have captured the essence of the book ;-) ; otherwise not really, from what I see in the video.
@seanmay9709
@seanmay9709 5 жыл бұрын
The book is definitely interesting, but 'long, convoluted and confusing' could describe the book as well as the game.
@SPACEB0YZER0
@SPACEB0YZER0 5 жыл бұрын
Just looking at this game has convinced me to never buy it or the book....not for me
@AskDaveTaylor
@AskDaveTaylor 5 жыл бұрын
Kinda disappointing review, Tom. You need to do your homework on the story, the book and the mini-series. It's one book, really fun reading, and the series is fantastic, really good fun. Still, I appreciate the game walkthru and your assessment!
@thedicetower
@thedicetower 5 жыл бұрын
Well, I will read the book, but I don't think I need to read a book to play a game. The game needs to be fun, period.
@woad23
@woad23 5 жыл бұрын
I feel like asking a reviewer who puts out the quantity of content that Tom does to read a 700+ page book and also watch a 7 part series is an unrealistic ask. I adore the book, but it is certainly not for everyone. The pace is meandering and you really need to be okay with just enjoying the writing as the story slowly unfolds. I feel like I like the game more than most, but if I did not feel the way I do about the source material there is little doubt that I would have come to the same conclusions that Tom and almost every other reviewer has come to.
@RowantarotBlogspot
@RowantarotBlogspot 5 жыл бұрын
@@woad23, I agree that my reaction to the game is mitigated by knowing the book. The designers are very clever -- another reason I gave the game a chance. War of the Ring is a masterpiece of capturing the grandeur and epic qualities of its source material. In the same way, Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell does an admirable job of depicting the fusty, restricting and rarefied qualities of its Georgian upper class setting.
@AskDaveTaylor
@AskDaveTaylor 5 жыл бұрын
Tom, if the book gives the context of the game and explains the art style and theme, well, maybe you should be informed and then be able to assess whether gamers need to read it too? I love your stuff, Tom, but this time it felt rushed and far less informative than your usual work.
@AskDaveTaylor
@AskDaveTaylor 5 жыл бұрын
WarpedDevotee, if Tom would have skimmed the Wikipedia entry about the story, that would have at least helped him be more informed than he was when he pushed the REC button on the camera. I have my own channel here on KZfaq too and I do my best to research product and consumer opinion prior to any review I record...
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