Hello, Mr.Chato! Your fan here! No, pre-white balancing does not influence on DR at all

Hey, Serj, we must stop meeting across other people's channels like this. People will talk. Thanks for the info.

Hello you people! Thanks for helping Serj.

Huge WB shifts may increase the noise in blue channel. And probably reduce DR of blue channel. It's depends of internal camera processing.

It actually increases the dynamic range, since you don't have to mess with it in post, since no matter what, this is not RAW. :D

The kit is done only for gh5, but if I would remake the LUT for some other camera the same process could be done for other cameras as well. But I would not use Vlog as my base. :-D Maybe c-log for canon. Canan has good colours allready, so the benefit would not be so noticeable. On sony, this would be a lifesaver. So I'll do this for sony next. :-D Canon. Hmm I don't know if canon even needs this.

ok thank you!

Yes, I love the channel too. He is super good at what he does, but misinformation is misinformed. I must spread it sometimes as well. :-D

about whom are you talking? max?

I laughed audibly at that part because “you know who” canon fanboy, who I don’t generally have an issue with normally, had his gh5 vlog video TORN apart viciously lol

I read a lot of the discussion above, and did I miss something or are you are the first person to mention this? Everyone is extremely rosy cheeked in these corrected pictures. Whereas the examples that are referred to are actually flatter, more natural and therefore more pleasing on the eye in my humble.

Yes, the conversion doesn't give you any new data. It wild just spread the captured data to vlog space. Where it's much easier to work with. Try the free coure and you get the idea on how to the process works.

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Mikkel Grum Bovin You mis spelled cool

Good to hear this Mike! :-)

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Mikkel Grum Bovin :-D short and sweet.

Hmmm... Sorry I have a older mac book pro. I'll look into that for I might be getting my self a new macbook pro so I'll end in the same situation as you.

Joo.Works okay, :)

I assume that it's rather good, similar to the video colour mode in the KIT. resolve should have their math right. But maybe not. :-/ Dunno, need to test. The film colour mode in the KIT is bit different, it gives you a calibrated image with a slight stylised image to give you better skin tones and blues. In most of the cases the film colours are better, sometime much better, but you can get there from the video colour mode with some tweaking, so you should be able to get from the resolves Color management default to the same... maybe. Need to test.

Correct, except turning std to vlog and then back to rec709 doesn't deteriorate the quality as long as you software's working bit depth is 16 or more. (the footage's bit depth doesn't matter) Premiere Pro, fcpx and resolve work in 16 or more bits. But you are correct, the luts will not give you more data, it will just remap everything to vlog. Kind of redistribute the data to a new coordinates. Not magic, but makse it easier to work with.

Paul Scott thaks for telling! :-)

Lighting. :-D By far the number one when it comes to getting a film look. Then I would use std or vivid or cine-v as your profile. With the KIT I would use cine-d. There is a short video about lighting how to analyze and copy it from movies, inside the part 3 of the mini-course. Do join and go to the page 3 of the course.

Joo.Works i will thanks!

Thanks! It's better to be humble. Less trouble... :-D

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There is a video on the part 1 of the free course you can check out. FCPX can handle as many LUTs as you add to the effect stack. Or are you using some older version? On part 3 of the free mini-course there is a tutorial on how to create your own luts, for example combining two luts to one.

Some have tried it on gx86 and gh4 so it's possible that it might work, but I can't promise anything. You can try it and return the KIT if it doesn't work. I'll refund you if you so wish, no questions asked.

Imiy Famil'yev hmm... you wanna try? Send me a message on fb messenger of email and I can send you test luts.

When I did this video I was impressed of the image quality of HLG and in theory, it does give you better image data, and that seems to be so in tests as well. So you should get a better image with the HLG and that improvement will carry through to youtube as well, but maybe not that much that it actually matters. But vice versa you won't get any better colour and detail with v-log either. But in my test after this video, I realised that with v-log one can make really accurate WB modifications that you can't do as accurate in HLG. So if you are to shoot totally run and gun, then v-log might still be a better option, but you need to buy it for to use it.

Thank you. I never purchased vLog. Initially, I shot in Cine-D on my GH5 to get better DR, but now I enjoy even greater DR with HLG. I purchased Leeming HLG LUT to convert Rec.2020 to Rec.709 with good color rendition, and the newest version Leeming HLG LUT works about as well as the free Driftwood LUT for me -- good, but the end result is not comparable to the colors of your videos. I signed up for the GH5 MINI COURSE and have been watching those videos and am now considering the purchase of your kit. Prior to purchase I just wanted to confirm if shooting in HLG is indeed superior to shooting in vLog. If I don't need to buy vLog, I won't. (By the way, I edit in FCPX 10.4.)

Ola Mulla did you get into the course? On the settings and colour kit page, there is a video for final cut pro x.

Marius Ardereanu what profiles do it shoot?

Haven't tried on an external recorder, but it should not be that different. Some have tried the gh4:s profiles and sad that it looks good. I have not yet. I will eventually make a calibration to gh4 as well, for I have it in the closet waiting. :-) Migth take some time tought to get that far. I have my hand full for some time now. Maybe week or two.

Joo.Works Thank you for the answer =) I m in no rush. Great to hear you are planing to do it =)

Tony Okun there is videos about fcpx on the course. And you can install a channell mixer plugin to fcpx, if you don't want to buy my kit. Just google it.

You could try this kit out. There must be some small differences in colour, for it's a different sensor, but who knows, maybe it works just fine. You can try and then if it doesn't work just ask for a refund, I'll refund you, no questions asked. One fellow told me that it worked very well with the gx85, so maybe it works with g7. :-/

Planning to do so. I can get my hand on to Sony a6500 and maybe a7s ii if I'm lucky. Might take a month or so though. Join my messenger and just ignore the gh5 related messages until then. Will notify people on the list about it.

i can show u the footage

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kMegit2fy9vDmKc.html

Well there is few possibilities, you are exposing incorrectly and capturing your data with a noisy part of the Dynamic range... or you have a really high standard for noies. There is noise in every video footage out there. Some have more some have less. It's just the physics of sensors. Or then you have a broken sensor, but I would assume the others first. Here is a video about exposure it might help if you don't have experience with ot: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Z7SEZL1zx7HTZ2g.html

Joo.Works do you have any advice for me for not capturing capturing noisy part pls i have metabones xl and sigma 18 35

Yes, you will not recover any data you didn't capture, just like I said in the video. cine-d is not calibrated image profile. It's colour accuracy is really bad. When you turn it to v-log and then to rec709 with an accurate LUTs you will not gain any more data, but you gain calibrated (or at least more calibrated) colours and a format that is easier for grading. When it comes to DR cine-d doesn't have that much of a difference to v-log. Tested it my self and there is starting to pop up videos on youtube talking about the same thing. Like this: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bpx0q5iirtLOio0.html But I'm not here to talk about the DR difference or not. I will not take any stand on the issue. Yes, LUTs are good start, but one needs to be mindful of which LUT to use. There is big differences between different LUTs. The first video inside the course compares few different LUTs for V-log.

If your actual concern is to improve Cine-D color accuracy, V-log conversion is a time-consuming sidestep. There's a much more efficient and accurate way to calibrate Cine-D footage: Shoot a standard 4X6 color chart (such as X-rite), download Adobe's free DNG Profile Editor, and make your own calibrated LUT. This will produce superior results because it is calibrated specifically to your camera's tone curve, shooting at the color temperature of those particular lighting conditions. Do this with every scene and it will give you consistent color balance across all footage, regardless of lighting variations.

Or shoot with a 32x16 colour chart and the x-rite with 6 different exposures and offset WB to four different directions, create the LUT with 3D lut creator, which is the best tool on the market for this kind of work, minimise any human interaction to the process and calibrate the LUTs twice during the creation process and voila you will get even better result. :-D

That's the process I used for the LUTs inside the KIT.

That would work as well, but if you're going to that much trouble and expense, you can cut to the chase and produce conversion LUT's calibrated specifically to color correct GH5 Cine-D shot at specific color temperatures. That way you can work directly on Cine-D footage with no need to waste time round-tripping into V-log along the way. V-log offers no post production advantages over Rec 709 - it is NOT independent of white balance, is not standarized to anything more than Panasonic's proprietary specifications, and your monitor is calibrated to display Rec 709, not V-log. White balance is by far the most problematic issue with color correction of all non-RAW capture formats, with V-log footage just as much as Cine-D. Properly normalizing WB is the crucial step, regardless of your preferred camera profile.

Brainstorming Films send me an email joonas@jooworks.fi

I'm no the truth here, but I have my settings at 0 on all profiles, except sharpening and noise reduction. Those two don't affect the colours. I don't believe in "hacking your settings" to get more out of the camera. I think the 0 settings are just fine. :-D The might be some benefit to use a different setting, but I haven't looked into that.

About to post a video about it next today!

Have not really tested the a6500, but soon will and try to make this same KIT for the a6500 and other sonys as well. Let's see then how they compare.

that would be so cool... I have been using the 6500 for a year and have really been wondering about switching to the gh5 for grading with 10bit and 4k 60 fps... wondering if is really that much better. Looking forward to your video...

Winton Wilmot apparently the luts work with the gh4 as well many have tested and said that they do. I have not, but will sooner or later test them. You can try them for 14days and if you don't like them just hit me with a message and I'll refund you.

You are wellcome!

Just doing a comparison video. :-) Uploading it soon.

Wow that's awesome! Thank you for doing this!

I have use the kit with gh4, with nice results. If you shoot 8bits and v-log the quality is bit bad, but cine-d works just fine on gh4.

Yep. The image quality between Vlog and HLG in 10bit is very close favouring just a bit HLG. HLG doesn't work in 8bit, so for good 8bit footage, I recommend using cine-d with one iso stop lower than you would vlog. Cine-d has less wiggle room when it comes to post-processing than vlog and HLG but it has less macro blocking and banding than V-log.

Hyper log gamma. :-D inside the free course you can find instructions about it on the settings page.

:-D Have been thinking about it. And lately I have not uploaded anything else. But does "Buy my sony KIT-tutorial" count as a "something else"? Those are up soon.

maurice porcelain the only file you need or can load to the camera, is the monitorin lut. On the free course on the settings page, you'll find a video about how to expose and how to set up the camera.

All others, you use on the computer.

Thanks

Sony shoots in it's own gamut and you need own values for that. I'll check if I can find them.

The DR difference between v-log and other profiles is rather minimal, but there is a BIG difference in the gamut (colour space). With V-log and with HLG you can shoot with a really bad WB difference and still be able to fix it to normal, but with other profiles like cine-D and STD. You need to have the WB correct in camera. You should shoot in v-log or HLG if you wanna capture the best colours. When shooting in STD / cine-d shoot at 200 iso to get about the same DR, with less colour data. But cine-d / std has fewer compression artefacts in 8bit than vlog. HLG doesn't work in 8bit.

Joo.Works Thanks for the quick answer! You didn't answer me for the second question. I forgot to ask when we shoot Vlog and we want to apply a lut to achieve a different look when we should add it after the conversion with your lut to Rec 709, before or to just apply the lut for the different look?

:-D Didn't quite understand, but I'll still try to answer. There is few different kinds of LUTs inside the KIT. 1.type of LUTs inside the KIT are used in post to make cine-d/STD/HLG as identical to V-log as possible. 2. Type is for fixing exposure and WB of V-log footage or the footage turned to v-log, 3. type is for turning V-log to rec709 in 8 different options. 4. type is LUTs that can be used as tools for Colour correction or general monitoring. So the process goes like this: 1. You shoot in cine-d for example, normally or -1 stop darker is you shoot with iso 200. 2. You apply cine-d to v-log LUT. 3. (Optional) you apply a WB/EXP fixing luts. 4. You apply v-log to rec709 LUT choosing from 8 optional looks. so if you make sure you have correct wb and exp when you shoot. You only use cine-d to v-log -LUT and V-log to rec709 LUT and you are done. Type 3. and type 4. LUTs are optional. Did I answer your question? :-D

Adan Sotelo you are most wellcome. Do check the free course as well.

I have done these LUTs with the gh5 so I can't promise you anything, but there have been people working with these LUTs in gx85 and gh4 and they have said that it works. I haven't tested it my self.

In paper yes, and in my test is has maybe 1/3 stop less DR in the highlights and bout 1/5 more in the shadows, only be looking at the image. So pretty much the same.