I got more educated on half a year of youtube and I am still going strong. People often says to me I am well articulated, I already know its because of Jordan Peterson's videos. Even better than that, he helped me to organize my psyche which is really important to me. We can see in a lot of aspects that our generation is having a lot of societal problems and still we didnt learnt in school enough about it. It should prepare us to be better individuals but it doesnt even give some advices or anything useful. Most of th things that we needed to learn just went directly to the trash and its not even because I dont love learning I just hate how high school is about pure memorization. Im glad that in College its more serious and you can actually learn useful things.

Sorry. Fake internet quote. Twain never said that.

School is not a place for smart people -Rick from Rick and Morty

Provide me with evidence then. Fix my schooling. I'll wait.

@@mrpankau Grant Allen, a contemporary of twain is the source of the quote. That aside ... it is still a truism to those who wish to achieve.

nrse82 Arminius has been educated by Romans and later defeated Varus.

Raise a child in the way...

@@louismart That's an exception, the irony of his life is he was decisively defeated by the roman twice by germanicus and murdered by opponents within his own tribe who felt that he was becoming too powerful.

@@peterongan9655 I didn’t know that. Cruel times.

How true

Lumbago ? No Tahiti

Mangoes

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hNlia9KK3a25gnVg.html I’d love to know your thoughts on this

ditto!!!!

I now homeschool my 4 kids and wish that I had this same type of childhood. I went to public school and feel like I missed out on all of this beautiful family time and creative learning.

Vivienne Campbell , you are amongst the few blessed kids to have such a dedicated mum ! Homeschooling mums need to receive the praises they deserve !!! ❤ Dont fear the future and how you would fit in because you were raised as " those that make it happen against all odds" Whole communities were against our choices but we raised great children that are the envy of their time !

There is a great difference between homeschooling and " no schooling"

I was one of the nay sayers thinking homeschooled kids were weird. I am now a homeschooling mom because I know first hand that the school system is broken and overpopulated. As a parent, I disapprove of it. As a student, I saw the freedom it gave me to misbehave in ways my mother never would have allowed.

As a mother who homeschools, this is really encouraging to read. Thank you for sharing your perspective.

All the trauma I’ve had in my life came from other kids in my public schooling. Not from my family. I wish I had been homeschooled. Instead I grew up worrying about how to fit in which led me down all sorts of paths I didn’t need to go down.

Not just one, at least two. That mother is caring and thoughtful

I was amazed by the people who would challenge me about homeschooling, as if I hadn't spent hours and hours reading books, talking to my husband, talking to people who had themselves homeschooled, learning everything available to me about a choice I was making relevant to the people to whom I owed the highest standard of care. I guess that isn't always the case with parents. Many people never question societal norms. I was lucky enough to have learned early in life I remember one mother challenging me. She'd been able through all sorts of machinations to have a child late in life, a baby miracle, whom she promptly dropped off with all manner of caregiver at the ripe old age of 6 weeks, so that she could maintain her lifestyle. Go figure. Anyway, I am so loving this comment section.

@@maritlebliss Absolutely!! you'd be impressed with the level of ignorance throwing stones at u for deciding on whats best for your kids.. the world needs diversity i guess

Justin Smith lucky bastard.

Easy street nice

Justin Smith I don’t know, certainly not for everyone. Have a friend who was homeschooled, and he lives like he’s a teenager living in 2004 but he’s 25 and can’t do basic math, and literacy comprehension is quite low. But he speaks well enough and is a 2nd degree black belt in Teakwondo so clearly has skills outside the academics.

Why are you grateful about it?

loved it as a kid because i could do whatever i wanted. hate it as an adult because i missed out on learning social skills.

Same! I’m homeschooled too. So much cooler and calmer than public school. I’m 16 😁

@@joselynalmonte Hurrah for homeschooling! 🥳

You’re very bright! I was homeschooled all my life, with the exception of a couple of days in the 9th grade to test out traditional high school and then ultimately went back to homeschooling. I am so grateful for my upbringing now, as an adult. I love learning and have never felt like it was a chore.

i think you’re experiencing a bit of confirmation bias. standard high school was not nearly as bad as you’re making it seem

@@purpleboy4949 I understand that there are good schools and bad schools, but the majority of high schoolers I have met are miserable phone addicts. The high school bus drops kids off right near my house and most of them don't even bother to make eye contact or respond when I speak to them. I just see what I see and I don't like it. It doesn't look so good for the high schools, in my opinion, when they boast of their accepting environment and eager students while the kids are too busy dealing with social pressure and issues around them to even care about learning.

Absolutely. Very well said! - Fellow homeschooler. :)

It also gives good social skills earlier on which can be lacking in homeschooled children

My homeschooling experience was just the opposite. What's good for the goose isn't always good for the gander. But I'm glad to hear yours was a success

@@MrsGarzilla if you were homeschooled, doesn’t that also mean you didn’t experience public school? And If you didn’t experience public school, why is your opinion of it valid?

Man I went to schools, had a great childhood, found a career i love and am constantly learning new things afterwards even outside my career. Its really not that bad.

Excellent point.

That’s a little bit disingenuous. Kids learn to socialize through classroom activities as well as outside of the classroom during free time. Homeschooling doesn’t give children the same access to other kids and differing adult opinions which has a tendency to stifle emotional growth.

Joyne Freedom I suppose that’s fine while the child is younger, but once they reach a certain age, I feel that it’s better for them to have a wide range of unstructured social interactions. You can’t provide the type I am talking about. I think homeschooled children are homogenized and many tend to lack personality because they are exposed to life in a bubble. I spent pre-K to 6th grade in an environment similar to homeschool. I hated it and asked to be put into regular public school. I realized I was very out of place and it took me several years to be able to integrate with the other children. My sister continued through that private school and I’m not sure she ever became properly socialized. She hardly has any friends at 34 years old despite all the extra curricular activities she was a part of growing up.

That's actually because in school kids socialize SO MUCH that it's hard to get them to stop socializing and focus for a while

@Joyne Freedom who is supposed to be the one to teach the children? The parents (Deut. 6:4; Proverbs 6:20-23). No one should steal them away from the protection of their father and mother no matter what preconceived ideas they have about home schooling are. We don't need preconceptions about public or private schooling, we can see it happening before our eyes on the news and with our friends everyday, and I know I went through the whole public system. Hopelessness and godlessness and the masses of people who have attempted suicide. Watch Exit the Movie free at www.fullyfreefilms.com for more info.

Yet it is not suitable for most children. Homeschooling will deprive normal children of the social environment that school is. It is not only about learning but also a place to make friends (sometimes for life) and bonding with other groups of people that you would not encounter if you were homeschooled. Something Peterson should also have mentioned.

The socialization argument is no longer valid. Homeschool is becoming more mainstream and there are plenty of social groups dedicated to homeschooled children. Some people think they have to send their children to school as dictated by the government. Some people are not educated themselves and cannot teach them what they need to know. Some people are just plain lazy or would rather have two incomes than get by on one. High school socialization cannot compare to socializing with children who have been brought up to respect others and be accountable for their own actions. As a bonus, they do not have to be forced into accepting a teacher's own views or curriculum not accepted by the parents.

There's a progressive series of errors when assuming "humans" are all the same. There are several levels of amount of intelligence, knowledge, health, beauty, etc. that will make people's living experiences very different, within the same scenario. Obviously someone with intelligent and caring parents will be better off being educated by these people. Someone with an ex-prostitute for a mother and an ex-drunk prisoner as a father , will benefit for going to public schools. Is there a real benefit for people in higher living standards to get a close experience to "the underground"? Learn what it's like to be a crack whore? To be in fist fights? To spend a few months in prison? Surely these are all "strong life lessons", but is it really worth it? When you already have functional concepts working for you, is it really worthy to test several other hypothesis that have 99,9% empirical evidence that perform less efficiently? The problem is (now... that is the problem) most people do not have enough resources to function too well in our current society (brain power, intellectual capacity). One of the main reasons for that is the fact that most people come from "peasant cultures", or what I refer to as _the serf mentality_ . It is, generally speaking, a set of beliefs that trap these people in the position of inferiority. They have always to delegate authority. It is a general belief that they must depend on others to decide and regulate the social system. The only reason why governments work is that the majority of people believe things must be this way. The peasant mentality is like a poison to people who have the intellectual potential to be in higher positions (more civilized, more in control of their own lives). It drags people down, it lowers I.Q. That's basically what's happening everywhere with this "political correctness" and "everybody is equal" ideologies. They are beneficial to masses of lower I.Q. people with peasant mentalities, but they're an affront to people above a certain level of knowledge and intelligence.

the high school i went to had homeschooled kids in some of the elective courses like sports and choir

Well Yeah. I went to a co-op as part of homeschooling once a week. I had to get along with Mennonites, Quakers, Calvinists, libertarians, young kids, older kids, you name it. I feel like I could get along with other people better than public schoolers. In public school everyone wants you to agree, but in homeschooling, we were all fine with agreeing in one thing, that we were glad we were homeschooled.

Me too. School almost destroyed me. Now in my 60's, I've never fully recovered.

Same here. I'm sure that if my parents hadn't homeschooled me in the end, I would have eventually killed myself

Same. I attempted suicide 2 times as a teen. I never really got over the trauma so I've been homeschooling my own children.

Man!!! Agreed! Never thought of that but yes, all my trauma goes back to my high school days and now, thanks to u, I realized why I’ve always dreamed of homeschooling my kids and now we’re 3 years in and my 7 year old loves it!

@@toby9999 My worst fear is that I’ll never recover😭

That's not a good thing lol

Lucky you

@@udbhav122351d Yes it is a good thing. Children are idiots until they spend enough time being taught by people with more experience. Being around other people who are just as dumb as you are, does not improve you.

I think you and your wife are doing the right thing by your family. Defined roles. You will reap the rewards. All the best

Its not wrong teenage isn't a natural thing. in some nations weren't there teenagers they would become a grown mens between 10-13 for EX Its just because of our system nowadays we think kids should fool around tell 21 lmao Ask any anthropologist.

Sister Peter Ditto

I think 'socialised' is merely a code word for being brought into conformity with one's peers. Everyone knows kids are becoming increasingly degenerate at increasingly younger ages. This ensures they embrace the hyper-consumerist lifestyle waiting for them out in secular, Godless society.

Wow. Sorry to hear but thank you for this. Helps to reinforce that I am making the right decision to homeschool my kids.

tvzuropa If you are diligent and organized then you are making the best choice. Help your children become the best versions of themselves. The only caution I have for homeschoolong parents is don't shelter your teenage kids otherwise they will not be prepared when they leave home and are bombarded with a secular world that seeks their destruction through hedonism.

Sister Peter when did you go to school?

My kids learned to buckle down & they could get through their work in 2-3 hours, leaving hours to pursue creative/educational projects that appealed to them

john doe What? You're asking her what certification she has to teach her own children? You ought to look up the average test scores of homeschoolers vs public schoolers. Simply the fact that they are getting one-on-one attention, particularly earlier in their education, makes up for the mother's lack of higher education in the vast majority of circumstances. Who can't teach middle school, really. By high school they're probably in dual enrollment anyways, so you don't have to worry about that.

@ John Doe... look at the studies. HOmeschool kids soar on measures of academic success, and I've heard a great many case studies that describe the time it takes to get through the level of course work required by a regular school. Their are losses involved in leaving the prescribed path, but there are gains in time and in the power of self direction too.

Moe F. I couldn't imagine loading my 8 kids up to take them to school every morning. Lol!!! Then the rat race to pick them up. Lol!!!

That is true.. However, those things are part of learning in a way.. I mean I was working for a security company as a training coordinator, and they would send the security camera operators to a Microsoft office course - the purpose? not to learn microsoft office, they wanted them to get used to using the mouse because that's what moves the camera.. So things like waiting on the bus and recess and all these things could add value.. That's time you spend walking to the bus in the morning, and waiting patiently on the bus, and time you spend around your peers during recess..Unless there are other things the kids do at home, those things could be something they are missing out on.. I don't really know if that's something that has particularly benefited me or others as far as an advantage over homeschooled individuals.. But certainly someone who walks an hour to and from work is better off (in terms of fitness-energy level) than someone who doesn't walk or make up for that..

Still very possible with publicly schooled people, but rarer as it involves these publicly schooled kids to be wholly independent and uncaring of "needing to" fit in with people and lifestyles they have no care to integrate with. It requires self-confident kids who are secure in themselves.

You mean the hierarchies Jordan Peterson himself defend to death 🤣

@@carcorr Peterson didn’t invent social hierarchies, they exist apart from giving them a name

Perfectly said ! I agree.

I was homeschooled until college. When I tell people this, they can’t believe it. Graduated magma cum laude and finishing my masters this year. Been working full time since my junior year of undergrad. Paid for my own place, all my school, all bills etc since freshman year of college. The idea that public school is necessary for success is hilarious to me😂

@@EpsteinDidntKillHimself. Same here man! I was homeschooled. 97% percentile standardized test scores, just finished my mba at a top school. I laugh at how biased many are against homeschooled people.

@@fhowland it’s crazy how biased people are... Don’t get me wrong, I grew up hanging out with other homeschool kids. We were all pretty awkward. But you grow out of that the older you get. What you don’t grow out of is the work ethic, ability to learn independently, and critical thinking.

There is just the major downside of terrible social skills, that’s all.

@@leoa6589 Lol ok expert

Matthew Joseph The Common Sense American 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Facts!

Me too.

You learned to go to class, use a locker, behave. .. it's a societal tool. Master's or doctorate level is schooling ...

@@nr126 I learned how to keep appointments from watching my parents keep appointments and drag me along with them as a kid I learned how to socialize by roaming around the neighborhood with the dozen or so kids everyday on our bikes. Don't give me that societal trash.

your dad is wise

Left-handed Texan nothing wrong with teaching kids the reality that we live within a controlled govermental system. They need to learn how to live in it.

Brilliant! I plan to use your Dad's wisdom toward our homeschool naysayers!

LOVE THIS!!!!!!!

@@karaa7595 "We live in a corporate drone system, they need to learn how to stay in line and be corporate drones" How about no? Let kids learn true things, self-study and be free thinkers. These are the people who will change the world. I only started in highschool, but I'm one of them. Conformists should fear us. We are breaking your chains, and our children will never feel those chains on their wrists. Your cozy little dystopia is falling apart. Get ready. Freedom is rising.

My husband and I do have college educations but we aren’t buying into the lie that a degree is a must! Whether our children are plumbers, big rig drivers, or doctors, we are preparing them to desire knowledge and to know how to learn!

I have a Bachelor’s degree in economics (one of the highest paid majors) and my husband has no degree. He makes way more money than I ever did. 🤣 A degree is not a must.

😂😂😂😂 oh I'm sure you think you educated them properly

how’d you do it? I’m wondering cause I’m doing the same and have no idea where to start

@@twatwaffle3258 Hi, I'm currently enrolled in college now and doing pretty well in life. I recommend doing things at your own pace and if public school has been a challenge, it's ok to do alternative schooling like independent studies. I've met lots of great people there who all felt like they didn't 'fit in'. But it can get a bit lonely not being around others as much. Just hang in there, do the things that develop confidence in yourself and make a plan for your future. It's ok to make mistakes but keep going and learning

@@nedakco1198 how did you graduate and go to college from homeschooling? I’m curious because I used to be homeschooled and want to go back.

In a government school, it's one teacher to 20-30 students. When homeschooled, it's one teacher to one student, correct?

@@floofzykitten5236 depends on how many kids in the family and whether or not the child went to any outside classes, which is fairly common. Regardless, the student teacher ratio in homeschooling is much smaller for sure.

The question is then asked, "socially mature in what sense?" I can honestly say I was more "socially mature" with adults at the age of 14, 15, 16, 17, but when I was with my own age group, I was ignorant. This is completely true of homeschool kids. The greatest thing a public education provides students is interacting within their own peer group. The education they receive is completely useless, meaningless, and irrelevant. I can safely say that a fifth grader can go straight into college and outperform the vast majority of high schoolers, given the fifth grader's time for maturing. In all honesty, the less time someone spends learning the material taught in K-12, the better.

Homeschool is a parental commitment hence both parents probably don't work. State school is child care to enable both parents to contribute to society whether they seek social advancement or seek to meet the basic needs no longer possible with one wage. Mix unruly kids in the homeschool environment and everyone fails. Social engineering obviously works through pupil selection for homeschooling which isn't much of s surprise, hence the grade inflation through focused peers. You haven't beaten the system by fixing your pupil selection. Then there's the spectre of parent led indoctrination which, as Peterson suggests, can be even more malign than the states, especially when group think indoctrinates, which appears possible if multi parent teaching is being offered to cover all academic subjects. There is a process of problem, consequences, and cause, when thought of in reverse, and I don't think homeschooling addresses the cause or causes. It's more complex at heart.

“Far more socially mature” that is a bold statement that I don’t believe and I don’t believe you truly believe, and I feel you are using that to support your opinion with out actually thinking if it is true or not. Also based off of the conversations you’ve had with other people who agree with you, it helps you tell yourself that you’re right,because you’re just want to believe it. It’s just not true though. I was homeschooled up until 4th grade then private school, 6th and 7th- homeschool, 8th and 9th public, 10th homeschool then 11th and 12th college.....in general, if I think hard about it what I truly observed, there are a bigger percent of homeschooled kids who are socially awkward (I went to a one day a week homeschool program each year I was homeschooled, I know. ) I just feel like you’re telling yourself that’s the truth because you want to have that opinion. Be honest with yourself. And think if that’s what you actually believe. Not here to be negative and cause problems, I am a truth searcher and I sense bs. Whether you realize it or not.

Lain, I found that when my girls left home schooling to go to private, then public school (around 7th grade) they went from being voracious readers to reading maybe one or two books a year for pleasure. Did you have that experience? My girls were just so burnt out from being in school all day learning from dry textbooks, and having lots of homework, that they just wanted to goof off in the little free time they had. As home schoolers, they also had the same experience of being very fascinated with documentaries, and actually had favorite subjects, but when in school they lost any love for learning. As adults, they both rediscovered their love of reading (fiction and non-fiction), which they both attribute to having it nurtured in home school where there was lots of time and good books to read.

Me too!

You described my experience, these days I continue my education on my own. I'm convinced publicly subsidized organizations and programs are purely pantomime and numbers. Benefits to those enrolled are irrelevant, unfortunately.

@@mchambers8366 That is such nonsense. Homeschooling is growing faster than ever. In my family, the first 3 kids, (the only out of our home) are homeschooling. God bless you, ma'am. Never let randos tell you that you can't be your children's mother.

Good Job on being an insider.

Thats awesome! Just out of curiosity, how do you homeschool your kids but teach in public school at the same time?

@@xxpadmoondaze1282 I teach public school, and my wife stays home with the kids. I’m on her account though, so it looks like my name is Shelly. 😁 Sorry about that!

Hey I have a question, when do you start homeschooling your kids? Nursery, Kindergarten or first grade?

@@huh7056 A nice aspect of homeschooling is that you don’t have to start all at once. You can gently ease your child into schooling as you see they’re ready. For little boys, this may be later than for little girls. In fact, they don’t even have to know that they are starting school. If you take the average five-year-old, and play a math game with them or sing a counting song, they will think they’re having fun!

Same! Total lies that going to public school makes you social. If anything I find more and more kids are anti-social.

Stop saying I wish, and start saying I will. Otherwise your insecurities will never go away.

@@hsen.a I'm locked up mate

@@evelynmom2902 it made me feel anti social because it singled me out as a special needs student due to some family medical problems at the home. They were stressful beyond my comprehension and imagination as a child, and young adult. I didn’t realize how much until I reached 30 yo.

"Socialized" is a replacement word for conformity. Everybody is treated the same, and the same means like a worthless sub-human (literally!) who just needs to do what the teachers demand. School is a labor camp. It is slavery minus the benefit to the slaver.

I agree. They don't have gymnasium peer pressure talks because of the overwhelming amount of positive reinforcement of good values placed in children by their schoolmates.

I'll be honest the only public schooled kid I know doesn't know how to speak to kids his own age really, he sort of acts like a 50 year old upper class English man

I wouldn't say less socialized but you miss a lot of important lessons for example how not to get bullied

@@abcdxx1059 Homeschool kids are less codependent. It's hard to bully someone who won't deal with your crap. I have been bullied as an adult, and I understand it's because I'm weird and I don't follow the social hierarchy because I think it's stupid. It never had an affect on my life, however.

hmm yes i remember those days

Those experiences help toughen you up. Imagine you're 18 and have no idea how to advocate for yourself or no ability to assert your needs in the face of opposition.

This comment actually just further highlights to me how naive former public schoolers are as to their privilege. If you were fully independent living by yourself by 21-22, able to get a job, find a partner, etc. then you were adequately prepared for life by the public school system whether you can admit it aloud or not. Your public school education opened doors the average homeschooled kid, living far outside mainstream American society, can only dream about.

@@SurrealisticSlumbers I have no issue with communicating with anyone and I do not have any fear of being judged in college. I am 18 years old lol, I am advocating right now in fact, and you are the opposition. I was homeschooled my entire life and I consider my homeschool years a privilege as well. It almost sounds like you are bitter saying those experiences toughen you up. Glad I did not have to deal with that.

@@salomongreen This must be your first JBP video if you still think you can go through life without facing experiences that make you toughen up. When the first happens you'll wish it wasn't your first time.

100% agree. Children and teenagers need nature, movement and creativity just as much as they need maths, reading and writing,

John, and that was in 1963! Things are many, many times worse now. Nature + science, math and engineering. That would sound perfect. You can add English writing to that. Then there’s no room for woke activism nonsense - something that has clearly made schools indoctrination centres.

And how did you end up?

@@katierose1893 I became a skilled tradesman and later became a contractor. I retired 10 years ago.

@@johntonge9818 I was 13 in 1992 and believed everything that was being fed to me. Went to school, got good grades, 2 degrees (1 in Engineering). Graduated with 40K in debt. Worked as an Engineer for 10 years and it took me 8 years to pay off the debt. Never bought a house, don't even own my own car. I did travel a lot and had a few adventures, not gonna lie. I stopped working to homeschool after seeing how the school system doesn't encourage critical thinking and the teachers just wanted their summers off. Some teachers were good (females were great for infants and toddlers) men were great for preschool and afterschool. Rough played with my son. Lego. Now, elementary teachers (all women) are stern and tired and have no curiosity in them. They just want the job as an easy out and to get their summers off. We're now on 1 salary (albeit a decent one) and are looking to live a simple life. Homeschooling. Hard to find a good community though. If this housing crisis ever ends we will buy a home finally thanks to a small but generous gift from the parents. Our son begged us to be homeschooled and he's brilliant so we're off to a good start. Wish I was a bit younger though.

multiple public school teachers have told me that...in fact their numbers were even *less* than your "2 days" estimate.

I pulled my son out of preschool last year and before that school year was done, he knew all the letters of the alphabet, 50 sight words, how to count to fifty, how to use scissors and a pencil properly, how to write his name. And this was done in an 1-2 hrs a day! He was at school for 6 hours a day and all they did was play. It’s like daycare! Needless to say, I’m gonna homeschool as long as possible.

that estimate is FAR too optimistic of the school... at least for me. Most of my classmates barely studied an hour in a whole week of school, I studied a bit more as I turned out to be one of the "gifted" kids - so practice for competitions instead of some lessons was pretty fun.

One day at home is more equal to 2 weeks in school

Hypnos Stratagem nah man. That’s nice but not necessary. I went to public school all my life. I got a bachelors in computer science and I’m currently a software developer making really good money. I feel the opposite. The amazing memories I have spending my days in school with all of my friends. Joking around, flirting with girls, getting into trouble. Those were amazing, carefree years. I wouldn’t trade that. Ever. Life isn’t about just learning stuff and working. It’s about interactions, experiences, connections, etc. we are social creatures. I know that some people have social anxiety and aren’t as outgoing but that isn’t the norm. If homeschooling works for you that’s great. But you can’t deny the benefits of the social experiences you have and gain in school. If you aren’t homeschooled you will still succeed. You don’t lose anything by not being homeschooled. On the contrary, I think you miss out on a lot if you are homeschooled.

@@uchihajoel3064 Yeah: drugs, gangs, premarital sex, sjw brainwashing, etc

@@uchihajoel3064 it's good that you enjoy school - I know plenty of people who did. But, addressing your statement that you miss out on a lot if homeschooled, I think that's a misunderstanding. A lot of things have to do with your parents, but if they're loving and caring, you don't miss out on a single thing.

@@uchihajoel3064 homeschoolers play sports, have friends, hang out with peers just the same as you did. I was homeschooled until college and I absolutely don’t lay awake in my bed at night and feel like I “missed out on social experiences”. I don’t agree with your sentiment in the slightest but you are entitled to your opinion.

@@wms72 Well, if your parents don't belong to the hells angels and you've got at least a decent noggin on your head, then all of that can be avoided. I honestly doubt homeschooled children experience the same quality of social life as those enrolled in a high school. Who do they get to walk home with everyday? Who do they get to spend 5 hours a day, 5 days a week with just talking, laughing, making jokes and gossiping about stuff? Where else would they learn how to interact with the opposite sex at such a fast rate? What about their extracurriculars? The parties? The social classes (which exist everywhere in society)? The community? Finding that one homeless guy named Desmond to buy you beer when your friend's parents went to Pennsylvania? WHERE WILL YOU EXPERIENCE THIS lol

Your comment was the middle ground I was looking for and I thank you so much for providing your perspective ❤️

Which city was this?

Which city is this? Considering homeschooling in the near future. Thanks!

@@katierose1893 Australia, we had a huge network of homeschooling families

That’s awesome! I’m looking into homeschooling for my eldest.😊

Thank you for sharing.

Angelina depends on where you live. Google it. You'll find a website dedicated to directing you how to lawfully educate your children yourself. I live in Georgia, USA and my local website is GHEA.org

Ira Rose I believe you. The argument of the “socializing benefits” of attending traditional school is unproven empirically. People believe it because it makes intuitive sense but facts don’t always conform to conventional wisdom. My 9 year old was home schooled until the middle of her second grade and when she started traditional school she was “bored” and the schoolwork was “baby stuff” she said. Her dialogue of her day went from what new things she learned in her school lessons to what some problem kid was doing to upset the class. How does that prepare kids for healthy societal living? We are pulling her out of public school when she finishes the fifth grade and we’re going back to a home school curriculum. No need for her to learn what blowjobs are and all that crap when she is in middle school and that is the kind of topic that those kids are exposed to these days. The teachers? They show up and put on their defensive postures and hope to hell no kid complains loud enough to get them fired or cause them some career damage. They walk on egg shells and the kids are allowed to get away with anything since there is a medical label for every spoiled brat being raised by their lazy parents. I feel for the teachers, many I’m sure who were committed to teaching kids but are now stuck in a broken educational culture of political excuse and incoherence. It’s not their fault ...it’s the political system and the absolute nut job ideas imparted on the educational system since the 1960s. My daughter will be exposed to lesson topics at a rate of 4 to 5 times that she would at traditional public school. She’ll be able to travel in her education to learn first hand of the things she reads and studies in this country. She’ll be free of the ubiquitous distractions and mind numbing regimen of the public school “daycare” system which is all that public school is these days. We give up a salary to be able to do this but it is so much more with it than anything we could buy with that salary. In fact, the money netted after all the BS of a traditional job....even a high paying one is of marginal benefit....unless you are the kind of couple that needs new cars every couple of years and monthly car payments totaling over $2k per month. I drive a 12 year old car with 300k miles on it and my other car is a 10 year old BMW that my wife drives about 100 miles per month.

I work at a university, and I can often spot homeschoolers. They make eye contact, smile, converse respectfully with older generations, and aren't glued to their phones.

I don't know who these "well adjusted" public school kids are. A lot of the kids I see are maladapted and are limited to social contacts with their chronologically aged peers.

People who aim to homeschool their kids are generally more conscientious and concerned for USEFUL education. The core idea of education is to filter out bad behaviors and useless beliefs. When you throw a kid into anything "public", you're widening the filter, so to speak. there will be wider real world experience, but it comes with many "contaminants" that the _unfiltered world_ has. I mean, one can always send a kid to spend a few months in Brazilian favelas to learn _"a lot about different cultures and how hard life really is!"_ ,, the kid will socialize a lot, have multiple experiences... but are they the most beneficial?... Socializing and interacting with other people can actually be much more harmful. Actually, the most harmful things generally comes from open interactions within "public places" (unless, of course, you're trapped in a family that is comprised of the toxic harmful types of individuals).

Shellina Musa did I offend your mellenialism with my success?

Congratulations Chris. What does the business do?

Shellina musa.....you are aware you're hmmm bragging? Time for reflection? My mother would call it talking when you should be listening lol

I went to public school I’m 23 have a house wife car and a good job without college working for a bank goes both ways mate

Chris, you sound like a spoiled brat, probably lying and definitely bragging. Most of the homeschooled kids I know grow up to be just like their parents, and usually that's not good.

Wonderful. My family is just 2 years in on our journey. So far so good.

This year round method is how my family does it also. I highly recommend it.

Wow that is absolutely amazing

What program/curriculum did you use? I'm considering it but idk where to start.

Holy crap, what kind of curriculum did you use? What was your education level? I have an associate's degree. I like to think I'm intelligent enough, but I don't know if my kids will be neurosurgeons from my teaching

Nooice

People were put to work and made to socialize with one another in order to survive.

175 years ago most children were slave workers on family farms or at the local mills. They did not attend school and were born of parents that had not attended school. Only the wealthy educated their children so they could run the mills. Public schooling came about as a way to help the poor illiterate try and make progress away from such repressive lives.

Illiterate. That's how they survived, and until the age of 33.

Research British home children on youtube. About London's unwanted street urchins sent to Canada. Some grim stories there.

No risk. I barely did anything and my son is about to graduate from college with excellent grades.

@@rodhodges625 that's awesome and encouraging, thank you

@@rodhodges625 is he happy

@@graceharney7352 i think we understand that the home environment is more importan than what type of school he goes to, so be sure give him a home he can trust and seek help when he is in hard times, a home he can grow up to help, make better and hopefully create one on his own like it or better:) i know US schools do sometiems require for the student to leave their home, in that case make it so that he is proud and happy to come back. He or she, who ever this comment can help

@@daniel1RM i agree, i went to public school, and while i turned out okay and had good grades, the family thing is something i stopped having after 19. i would never let my kids feel they can't come to me for help or that i'll turn them away when they need me most.

B F ♥️

Yes yes yes yes you are 1000000x spot on. With out moral character , the amount of knowledge you have is completely meaningless.

Right you are!

Children are not taught critical thinking skills at all. Unfortunately it is really difficult to teach in a classroom where 1/3 of the students have a learning disorder or psychological problem. Such were my classrooms. Administrators think by putting all kids together in a class the misbehaved ones will learn to behave. They clearly don't know anything about child psychology! Really, the 1/3 of my class needed 1. Better parents, and 2. Proper non-abusive discipline. That goes a long way to fixing most of these so-called issues. A child who feels loved and has a stable home life wants to learn. Children are natural learners, IF.

Boom!

Thanks for making it clear that not all parents are capable of this. Some people get hooked on that fantasy, and end up with damaged children.

I always thought the same. Always finished the work in about and hour with six more to burn and the only thing I could do is get in trouble at that point lol

you'll go far in life young man, you won'tbe yet another rote educated dumb-dumb, but have the intellectual curiosity that schools knock out of kids. I was essentially halfway between home-schooled and self-educated. My parents are academics (real academics not Leftist useful idiots). One of the best lessons they taught me was to go and find my own answers. I spent days indide the public library. When I got to university engineering- I knew the first year maths as it was about equal to my father's year 11 super simple textbooks. I loved history, I read all the great Greco-Roman philosophers.

That's a wonderful philosophy and imo and experience often true and indeed I was taught that too but may I suggest to you with sincerity that some can affect you AMONGST OTHERS they are parent to child in the early stages and in the very different category ( unfortunately but not often they fall into both : )the very charismatic and or manipulative ( see Jordan's videos naivety and or betrayal ) as some one who was severely betrayed in no small way but we also unknowingly naive and trusting ( I don't mean my husband had an affair for a year with the same women he eventually lived with. that happened too me and while it wasn't nice I learnt and moved on.. there are much worse betrayals and when Jordan references betrayal I'm sure he knows the depths it can go too and the devastation it causes ) I worked, am a parent , had a degree and home I wasn't pathetic or outwardly stupid ( or didn't appear to be to myself or others I was told I w kind and " too nice " but never knowingly put myself or others in harms way Instead may I suggest you teach your children that as humans we are biologically wired to socialise and certain actions can produce unconscious physiological reactions ( for more see trauma bonding) and while " doing unto others ..." is a good idea it should be earnt and teach your children boundaries by allowing age appropriate ones and keep your own. Above all teach them self respect and don't be reactive to others and keep the channels of communication open and love them so much they can't help but love themselves..Teach them while the world is full of good some people are not at all, the adage trust your gut and yourself is very true I've found and then and only then tell them they are in charge of their actions and that if someone consistently makes them want to react in a way they know isn't right for any reason that they should do every thing in their power to not allow them into their life but that one shouldn't react to others shot behaviour and never never never be so arrogant naive and or complainant as to think " this won't happen to me or mine "'

Sounds like what I taught my son, one of the best tools for growing up is when you truly understand that only you get to assign value to other people's opinions.

Yes. I heard something similar the other day: "Bullets and blades can hurt me. But not other people's words."

Andy Blakely will you also teach them about race relations and the truth about race?

@Emmanuel Goldstein Whose truth?

I'm not sure about baguettes since we're talking rich rids for the most part, but I'm sure they even embroid the flags just in case. That or the maid does it for them :)

That's actually a brilliant idea but they also get to learn how to socially interact with other kids, a problem that most homeschooled kids suffer from. Is there a term for this practice? I would like to look into it more.

Hello! I don’t remember the practice having a concrete term since it falls under home schooling. The article I read about it (though unfortunately I can’t remember the title or the journal it was from) mentioned that it involved kids from all age brackets which concords with official sources like www.parisbalades.com/nonsco/pas_ecole.htm stating how in France 30000 kids aged 6-16 don’t go to school. However most learn the junior high and high school level via the CNED (Centre national d’études à distance National Center for Education “from a distance” aka “from home”) while only 7000 are close to 100% home schooled. These are kids from families with any social status, not just the rich. A user from arnelae.forumactif.com/t3536-l-ecole-a-la-maison states he and his wife home schooled their kids from 1st to 12th grade, but their example is one of many since home-schooling hardly has a fixed program. In France, the difficulty level of high school education plummeted since the 70’ and many college-educated parents are unsatisfied - I think we can deduce that those who choose home schooling provide lessons that go beyond what the regular official program entails. In Quebec www.lesoleil.com/actualite/education/lecole-a-la-maison-ou-le-bonheur-en-famille-bd4ee21be6b706695fba03a06caa3d2d mentions a study that shows some home-schooled kids have a level in maths “half a year ahead” (from what’s in Canadian schools) and a level in French three years ahead. The same talks about parents needing to be proactive in order to get the kids to socialize more outside of home and/or their study group. On the subject of socialization you mentioned: www.frenchentree.com/living-in-france/education/homeschooling-in-france/ tells that the home-schooling families are a small but very vocal minority, and sites like www.lesenfantsdabord.org/ which is available in three languages show that the families exchange a lot and organize meetings. The families are well-aware that the kids need other kids to interact with, they simple prefer to pick and choose which kids their will interact with and under which circumstances. l-ecole-a-la-maison.com/ argues that the public school courtyard is a “hazardous place”. If the families are in control, they can more easily save their child from interaction with wild, violent kids. Sports clubs and family associations do exist. The article www.20minutes.fr/societe/1862319-20160609-instruction-domicile-voulais-enfants-epanouissent-davantage-ecole parents state that their kids meet with both home-schooled and non home-schooled kids, though very we’re talking kids from families the parents are friends with. Those parents also praise the fact that their various adult friends can talk to the kids about their jobs and overall life experience. Conclusion: while I can’t supply you the concrete article I remember reading, the data confirms its contents, even though in reality the home schooling system is a lot more flexible than what I remembered it was, and kids who learn in groups are either siblings or kids from families which know each other rather well. Those same kids do socialize outside of the home-schooling group, but it’s the parents’ personal responsibility to organize the meetings and/or signing their child up for a sports club or a music school for example. A responsibility parents gladly take on since they either don’t trust public schools to educate their children well and/or have children who were bullied and/or had disabilities. Have a good day! Ps: sorry for the amount of French language only links 

I honestly don't think it is. The merit of (some) kids for getting a higher level in languages and maths rests on the shoulders of these kids, their teachers and their parents. It's not a geographical thing, albeit France being a rich developped country certainly helps. Also, it's the first time I heard of Varg Vikernes and while I feel sorry for the victim and all the people involved his action was his own responsibility. I hardly see the link between home schooling and wanting to murder someone for X reasons, could you please elaborate?

I see your point now. We can agree on that.

Jesse Bruner what do u do for a living if u don’t mind

I'm in basicly the same boat as you. College, job, wife and kid, no debt and I can promise that I would have none of that and instead be in all sorts of trouble if I had gone to public school.

So I will be poor making crumbs for the rest of my life, never once had a girl seriously like me was bullied and treated like shit for most of my schooling. Got advice on not being a worthless piece of shit?

i want my future kids to be homeschooled

@@jimsimpson2820 Stop calling yourself a that for a start.

I think it can be a great thing but we simply need more oversight and regulation on it. There are kids stuck in abusive households bc very few states require a background check or CPS visit to clear the parents. It’s also been found that around 90% of parents who homeschool chose to do so in order to prevent their kids from hearing things that go against their religion.

@@colinscherer3316 Those are some fair arguments. Depends on the country, some may have better regulations

@@colinscherer3316 not 90% lol this is where you know this person is unreliable without sources uses statistics like this. Anyway the problem is that local communities don't take a child's centred approach. The most likely victims of abusive parents who would either neglect or actively abuse their children are those with disabilities or of extra educational needs. This is backed up by the government sources that i had come across in my child safeguarding course and know that it is the responsibility of the local agencies to ensure that children are talked to directly without the parents present when there is concern but some cases where abuse was ignored or not even looked into was when they only contacted the parents. Thay poor girl with locked in syndrome in America i don't remember the state, that was neglected so badly i can't imagine how looking she was ignored by evry authority. In the uk kids do get visits from health visitors or local educational departments it is a requirement when we register to home educate and the child does get contact every year to ensure they are oksy to continue to be home educated. That is the difference i would say.

@@colinscherer3316 respectfully, that statistic is BS. If you were involved in the homeschool community today you would know that probably well over 50% of them are secular homeschoolers.

Bishops?

@@OlliePageI'm another homeschooled SA'r wondering what school this person is talking about. Or if I might know this @MidNightStudios

Film Fanatic : what college did u go to

@@himynameisjohnwumsh7631 Why does the college one goes to matter?

@@salomongreen : I don’t remember why I asked Film Fanatic that question but the college you go to does matter depending on what degree you are seeking. Not all colleges are equal.

@@himynameisjohnwumsh7631 I agree.

Same here, first time in a public classroom was my first day of college. Now I work in a genetics lab. I got my socialization as a teenager through team sports outside the home, and today I’m a confident, well-adjusted adult with strong family ties and a flourishing romantic relationship. Mornings spent in the garden or feeding the farm animals as a ten-year-old are some on my favourite memories…far more valuable to me and my development than a morning spent in a classroom.

Dawn B - There are superb materials available, but yes, it’s a big commitment. You kinda have to LIKE your kids!

nifty phrase. Did you come up with it, or was it from some other?

That's actually pretty wise

Homeschooling is a blessing that I am forever grateful for. I was homeschooled until college and was appalled at the brainwashing I got from teachers, other students, etc. Cant undervalue the critical thinking that you learn from independent study.

@@EpsteinDidntKillHimself. precisely!

“even rats know when to leave a sinking ship.” Most humans: So what you're saying is we should keep going to public education. Me: Who wished I could've been homeschooled. 🤦‍♂️

So you have a problem with those of us who attended public school? We're inferior? Fuck You!

Damn, thanks for keeping it real dawg. Thats a different side than what I’ve read in here and it costed you in the end. But yo honestly, yeah maybe you didn’t get the optimal conventional homeschooling, but you are also only 20. Yo that is so young its not even funny. Even people that had traditional elite education at big state schools run into this. People put way too much stock aiming for what their dream career is, overthinking the whole thing. Your happiness and fulfillment in life will come from actually relaxing and enjoying your life, not from the dream job. Explore jobs/industries that are within the realm of your capabilities, interests, something that you like and can “tolerate”. REDDIT search, youtube search what others have done to get into that field, and then you have your goals. A lot of the time, a degree is not even necessary, sometimes you just need 6 months of entry level position and that holds the same if not more weight than a degree candidate with zero experience. Everyone is different yo. Maybe you need to sit down, lock in and really highlight what you want out if this degree and what is required of you and whether you are willing to entertain the effort required. Its hard to be an achiever at school when the desired end result is not detailed or outlined enough. Nobody loves work. Some people like COMING to work (aka awesome company culture, coworkers) but give anyone a ticket to quit and retire right now and they would. And yeah maybe when u move out things will improve all around but maybe there’s somethings you can do now at a smaller scale for yourself? Re-organize bedroom, buy a new chair, browse some new study resources online, spend time outside of your normal comfy spaces. Goto a different cafe not to study-make it about you…only researching stuff about your career paths, salaries, where you wanna live if you move, use tiktok for productive purposes while you’re there, see what people in your field are like (day in the lives)

Yep i had very similar experience currently on a burner phone watching this lol

I'm so sorry that's awful! I have personally known people who were homeschooled who had awful parents who did an awful job homeschooling them, but I have also known people who had great parents who were committed to giving them the best education possible while homeschooling them. It really boils down to the parents.

This is the issue. Not everyone who home schools does it well. Some do it for the wrong reasons and some are not emotionally present enough to do it. I personally would really struggle to home school my kids as I work and I'm in therapy for my own well being as well as having a chronic illness but I'm self aware and know it would not work. Being a good parent means putting your children's needs first. I'm sorry this was your experience. I think a lot of people home school to control who their kids interact with. Again not a good enough reason in my opinion

We do year round but in summer we tend to be a bit less structured. For instance we could be playing trivia games in the pool instead of learning new things or working on assignments 1/2 the week. I guess the most unstructured thing about the way I homeschool my kids is that we don't move on until they master something. By mastery I mean they need to have 100% accuracy in math or fluency in xyz skills. So sometimes it takes a while to get past certain things. My son is slow at picking up math but is very inquisitive in other areas but my eldest daughter is extremely mathematical so she learns math concepts in no time which is why she is able to do calculus in what would be 9th grade but I don't do grades that way. My youngest daughter is very interested in history, probably because I don't do it like public school.

there are plenty of weirdos in public schools, believe me.

You raised an entire football team, well done.

@@jerryw6699 That's not a good thing.

@@synchronium24 Well, it would be if you liked football.

@@synchronium24 - It depends on the quality of his children. Humans are not fungible, and the world can always use a few more decent people in it.

@@cerebraldreams4738 "It depends on the quality of his children." I agree with that. I'd also submit that the chances are extremely high that the quality of children will diminish when you're raising 11 of them. And that's without adding in an element of homeschooling. Which can be great, but generally speaking (and I admit this part is speculative) very large families where the parents homeschool their children tend to come with shall we say certain forms of ideological persuasion.

Wow! I am homeschooling an 8 year old boy. May I ask where you are located? I am in Quebec, Canada and I'm looking for a place Canada or the US where there is a homeschool community. You can play the violin? You know Japanese? You're ahead of 90% just with that alone. And I bring my son to visit his grandparents often which is the only thing keeping us here. Seniors are so important!

Nice job abusing your kids.

Homeschool is not for all parents. Sorry to say but not all parents are knowledgeable even after reading a teaching books. School is not for everyone but work for general population. I have friend who attend university, he does not need to learn so he only attend exam days and skip all lectures. That is fine too. But not everyone can be like him. Uneducated/not smart parents will make the same version of themselves if they copy their education onto their children through homeschool.

That's a big drawback,I'm struggling to see a way around it.

I am Spanish but have lived in the US for 13 years. I've been to several cities in the US, but I mostly lived in suburban areas of Texas and Louisiana. Homeschooling a child there would be difficult because you don't see anybody out on the street and all the kids play inside. If you come to any of the streets of Andalucía, you will see kids playing on the streets and people chatting and you will certainly make friends here easily. In most places I've seen in the US, you get in a car and you drive to work or Wal-Mart or wherever, there's not many people on the street (minus the bigger cities). I think it is harder for an American child to make friends then it is for a Spanish one, outside the context of school.

Digs 1 Keep in mind the drawbacks that I mention are only obstacles for some however. I was pretty well socialized and nobody could ever tell that I was homeschooled from interacting with me. I also had the benefit of being involved in martial arts and snowboarding throughout my childhood. A lot of my homeschooled friends were able to play in soccer and hockey leagues despite being home schooled.

Having been homeschooled, I can say that the socialization argument against homeschooling is a myth. There is no drawback, except money and time of the parents.

Irving Ceron Public school today is a joke. The only productive thing it does is develop a child's social skills (this is literally one of the main goals of primary school). Public education is often the #1 expense of the state, and that is a joke. They buy overpriced textbooks that aren't going to be used even once. They spend an exorbitant amount of money on sports. Schools will find every excuse to waste money, and it only serves to add distractions to the learning environment. Time immemorial has shown that to provide effective schooling, all that is needed is a classroom, pen and paper, and a desk. Why is it that so many countries outperform us in testing? And the sad thing is that all of these things are being replaced by the computer, but it's a resource that's not being taken advantage of. Resources like Khan Academy, Study Island, self discipline and the local library are enough to foster a positive learning environment. I never said people should go to public school to make friends, I only said that in my honest opinion it is easier to make friends outside of the context of school in some cultures than it is in others. A home-schooling regimine will suffice for the later years, but I believe primary school is still beneficial. Sports are also an excellent way to socialize a child, but that should be done outside of the school system. Modern public education is, essentially, the babysitting of young adults.

"I think the impression is that most parents who homeschool their children are overly-protective and that the children grow up to lack social skills, but in reality, that's a phenomenon that's already happening with the widespread abuse of personal devices and social media. People can't hold eye contact anymore; I've noticed that" School puts you in an oppressive environment where you have to do everything you're told without question. From this perspective, it's basically slavery minus the benefit to the teacher. Of course this doesn't produce normally functioning people. It produces children.

It's just nicer. I went to public school and homeschooled my kids. So much unnecessary BS that gets side stepped.

I wouldn't let my future kids anywhere near public schooling. As a monk on retreat I'd like to distance them from all of Society. My issue is how then will they meet to reproduce.

The reason a lot of people that were homeschooled are so damn weird is because their parents fed up with the incompetence of public schools, forget about the social aspect of school. They think all their children need is to learn a bunch of stuff in front of a computer and that's all. That computer in front of them does not hold all the answers, they need to learn how to socialize with other kids as well, that's actually even more important then a lot of the things any curriculum can give you, the ability to deal with other people, vital to landing a job and keeping the job, the reason kids are expected to go to school for in the first place.

ATurquoise Bolo Good call, thanks.

i bet youre a weirdo now tho

Fantastic comment!

Marquita Martin - Why thank you. I am glad to see that I am not the only one who "gets it".

You said it all. This is exactly why my kids will never see the inside of a public school (or daycare for that matter).

Fantastic response. Everything I wanted to say. Thank you!

12cunow . All the homeschooled kids I know are fully capable of speaking and interacting with all age groups on a competent level. That is not true of children schooled in 1 age group. They barely can speak to an adult.

Went through a very similar situation... what matters is that you noticed the problems and are making efforts to change the situation... you will do great just need to believe in yourself and keep pushing yourself to learn more.

@Jesus Christ Not really. I insisted on going to a real school time and time again but she insisted that she could do a better job at teaching, and that I would be mercilessly bullied and brainwashed in the public school system. Despite this she rarely enforced learning and couldn't stick to a routine or method. I had no guidance. When I first entered the workplace as an adult I was the stupidest and most incompetent person in any given room and socializing gave me frequent panic attacks. I had to fight like hell to raise myself where my mother never had.

God bless you. Never give up. Keep striving. That's what life is about anyway---to fail, to get up and learn and take adventures, to love, to be kind and compassionate. So just keep loving with that openness and positivity. And learn to laugh at all of it. Humor helps a lot. ❤️ You are inspiration to all who are in your situation.

I just want to say that you are magnificent and brilliant as you are. You are enough and there’s only one you! Don’t forget that! Can I just say and make this very clear that just because you didn’t go to college, does not make you any more less than someone who has or does go to college. I’ve met so many stupid and ignorant people who are so darn book smart that they didn’t have shit for brains when it came to basic common sense, common knowledge and common courtesy. More than half those people who in close friends with, ended up studying for years on end. They studied so so hard in college only to end up working as something completely different to what they were studying after all those years - as this could be for many reasons. So regardless of a person who could have bachelor degrees and all the awards in college, doesn’t mean that they’re better than those who didn’t attend college. A good heart and moral compass matters far more memorable and respected.

You do realize that the ability to solve your own problems, think for yourself and pull yourself up by the bootstraps despite loneliness is a skill most people never learn? You sound like you turned out just fine to me ☺️

AntisepticHandwash very good concise assessment!

Data? Like with your own post, I make no claim that my assertions are supported by data. It is resultant from, as I indicated, personal experience: Specifically, I have seen that entire list of concepts actualized in varying configurations, in many people/situations, over years. Further, you will note that I've presented the benefits and drawbacks of homeschooling as opportunities and risks - as opposed to guaranteed actualities. The rest of your post is just an apologia for the 'Critical Success Factors' I listed - presented in the frame of an assumption that I've posited school, and specifically *public* school, as a necessarily better education system. So I have to ask -- what exactly are you arguing? Do you seriously not accept that lack of development of social skills or diminished personal capability are real and meaningful risks regarding the proposition of homeschooling?

AntisepticHandwash it's a classic straw man. They've decided you're arguing something which you're not

I would consider intelligence of parents to be on par with if not more important than their emotional intelligence (both are neccesary though).

AntisepticHandwash How do you follow Jordan Peterson and think Emotional Intelligence is a proper concept? If my comment hasn't given it up already, EI isn't what it sounds. It's another name for a mixture of Openness, Politeness and Agreeableness. It's not a thing.

Facts

This.

Right on! As a former home-schooling mom I can say I have never met a "failed" home-schooled kid, but sure have met a lot of public school educated failures.

The Real Killer B Did you not listen? He was speaking favorably about homeschooling. all he said was that important decisions like this should be carefully evaluated and planned out. He's telling people to be smart and honest in their approach.

I heard him say he increasingly is in favor of homeschooling. But one must be careful and not make the situation worse by being ill prepared. There are a lot of associations to help parents now. Listen to Dr. Peterson's videos on listening. I don't say that to be demeaning, but it helped me listen better.

*@The Real Killer B* also look at the rate of pedophiles in Catholic Churches vs public schools. Or look up the rate of violence in public schools vs homeschooling (or virtually any other institution). And then there’s the well-refined full spectrum cradle-to-grave indoctrination: it’s ideological subversion in action. Public school is a dangerous place to put a young impressionable person. In terms of pedophilia, violence, and irrational anti human mental programming. It’s also an oppressive approach designed (look into the Prussian origins) to make dumb obedient soldiers for the state. If you think about it this way, it’s clear the public schools are actually doing a great job already. If you want smart well-adjusted kids I would stay clear of public schools.

Hilarious, parents are responsible for vast portion of abuses against children, so your logic is flawed BobWidlefish. I bet many of these parents that chose to homeschool are republican and indoctrinate their children into religion and favour creationist science over actual science. No, home-schooling is far more dangerous because it lets parents isolate their worldview and force theirs (and their political views) on their children, in public school they have the chance to figure things out for themselves and learn much more than what parents can offer. "Parents know best" is bullshit.

Exactly the same experience except the immigrant part. School wasted years of my life.

Just because it's not difficult for you doesn't mean it's not difficult to others. Single moms can't homeschool. If you have a child who has no siblings and it's introvert, homeschooling is not that great of an idea. Also many parents don't have bachelor's degree to be allowed legally to home school.

I mean for middle-class income families who NEED two incomes it would be pretty close to impossible.

Well, I think for most of us homeschool moms, we love it and it's joyful, but it's also difficult. I wouldn't want to sugar-coat it too much for anyone considering it. Living on one income requires a lot of hard work and sacrifice, but yes, it's worth it.

@@purplerose5316 Not that I would suggest it for every single mom, but there are single moms who find a way to homeschool on a shoestring budget and shoestring time.

You sound pretty privileged that you can live off one income. Most people can’t do that

Generally speaking, the willingness to take on the task is usually accompanied by enough self awareness and concern for their children's well being to prevent so great a swing from occurring. Parents noticing that imbalances are starting can also course correct much faster than an institution.

I have seen this pendulum swing exactly as this woman fears, and it is ugly. I would say it is far more common than is admitted. The woman quite rightly does not want to fall to the temptation.

It is difficult to learn from school, because they lecture without context, and then you leave class not understanding what the fuck was being taught. And the lack of meaning makes students discouraged to learn the material at home. You need a passionate mentor who cares.

Good job, Bill! My husband and I did the same twenty-five years ago. Having more time together as a family is priceless!

public schools are really bad

There is nothing Biblical about separatism.

Good for you, that is no easy task. You obviously love your child very very much. What kind of solutions do you have to let your kid get out and socialize with other kids? My ex grew up in Toronto. you are quite right to be weary of the TDSB. She is a fully indoctrinated femi-nazi. I have the task of raising our daughter half time and I have to reeducate her from not only the school knowledge but also this man hating BS her mother fills her with.

Cubs, swimming lessons, tons of playdates every week. I made it a point to keep in touch with all his school friends before I took him out of formal education. He's an outgoing kid anyway, so he makes friends easily.

Canadian schools of all ages are pure poison. I'm 24, never graduated and never went to college or university. Believe me. You're better off taking care of your kid's education and mental health yourself. TRUST ME..........

Don't send him back. Keep him at home where he will learn and thrive. He can find socialization in extra curricular groups like sports drama other homeschooling families.

Given the new curriculum's emphasis on social justice over basics, we are not sending him next year. He has plenty of friends in the neighbourhood so social activity is not an issue. Thanks for your encouragement.

That’s even a massive problem in college as well. It’s really hard to go against the grain. People, teachers especially, become vicious when you try to go against their ideas