Amen, and that alone made him the GOAT!

Bron has owned decades ….Stop it!! and I’m not even a Bron fan

@@kevinjohnson963Which ones??

@@johnnyblaze9206 the last fckn 20 yrs

@@kevinjohnson963 Actually he shared each decade played with other players, many players have gotten rings on his watch. No need to lie kid, you were better off staying silent.

Ima use this😭😭😭

"Given Only All-Star Teams"

Geek of all time

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Damn

Lmao 💀

Same goes for Bron. Out here giving it to fuckin Drose and 2 players at his position over him in Kawhi and KD

True, bro. He was defintely so fucking hardly robbed in 1990, and akso has been robbed in 93 and 97. 1990 though in particular is unheard of.

bron and mj both were robbed of some mvps the voter fatigue is wack

@@thegipper1215lebron getting stats playing alongside two top 10 players and losing deserved the mvp over drose who had no allstars and carried his team? You’re crazy

@@dominiquewilson 💀those drose teams for defensive juggernauts outside of DRose, literally THE best defensive team that year

😂😂😂 thank you!! You KNOW that means a lot to me 😉. And many thanks for continuing to tune in 🙏

if u think jordan is better than lebron , i think the same to , jordan is better , its fact , but having lebron not top 2 its phenomenal, lebron was the best player in the 4 finals he won , he is a 4 time mvp and and was 14 time in the top 5 in mvp voting . Also i think lebron has more competition in the fi als , he faced the warriors 4 time lost 3 time and won 1 time in 2016 , i believe that this ring is better than 2 rings combined . I dont understand , lebron faced though competition too , the piston, the big 3 celtics many time .

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​@@SamyHasnaoui-ol6okthat's your opinion...as terribly wrong as it is.

Anything happens to my brother (God forbid-God forbid) oh we're gonna have a riot and burn LeAdam Silver DOWN!!!✊🏽

Yeah everyone thinks their childhood athletes are better it’s nostalgia affect

@@AGaboonViperIsUnderYourBed 4 or 5 different ocasions I was shooting hoops these past 6 months and some kids were there playing, ages 8-12 and I asked them who is the bball goat. everytime the very quick and unanimous answer was MJ. it's my small sample, but still... it means something.

@@WideHarryCockno they don’t. My favorite baseball player of all time is Ken Griffey Jr. But I know Barry Bonds, Willie Mays, Ted Williams and at least several others are better than Griffey was. Same with football. Barry Sanders is my all time favorite running back and football player of all time. But I know Jim Brown and Walter Payton are better. It’s called common sense.

@@AGaboonViperIsUnderYourBedcommon fucking sense says the man who is a better all around player would be the best player of all time. Jordan is not only a less basketball player but less of a person.

Man as someone who grew up in the Chicago region in the 90s it was crazy…..

zip up his pants when u done lil bro 😂😂

You mean, Air Jordan?

lebron so much better 😭😭 not even a question plays in a harder league no question

amen

@@Fatty723 LeFlop played in the Leastern conference. It is by all measures the weakest the Eastern conference has every been. It was literally called the "Leastern Conference" for a reason. Most years 10 of the 15 All NBA guys were in the West, and LeFlop had Wade, on of the few East representatives, With him. He had another all star in Bosh there were 41 50 win teams in the west, 10 60 win teams, and a 73 win team in the West, while LeFlop had to "contend" with 18 50 win teams (excluding the ones he was on) in the Least. There were seasons where 4 teams in the west were better than anything LeFlop would face in the Least. There were seasons where there were 7 50 win teams in the west because the least was so bad.

Then you add in the Fact that he is the most CLUTCH player ever, and it's not even Fair!!! lol!!!

Fun fact.... In 1992, Jordan made more 3-pointers than the entire Blazers team in the NBA Finals

Jordan stepped up above and beyond when the biggest prize was on the line. That is the mark of a true champion.

​@@MasterSpade And many other stars in Lebron's era made multiple first team all defense teams more than him

@@thepubknight6144 -- That's the thing, his Stans love to claim that lebron was a better Defensive player than Jordan... LOL!!! But Reality says that lebron wasn't even better than the players in his own time!! Lebron HOmers Hate Facts.

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I saw one fly the other day and he looked just like Skip Bayless. A typical so-called white person.

🤨 bruh no one cares what you think. If you hate Chuck, just say you hate Chuck

Dude what are you talking about??!! We are actually much closer to see pigs fly than LeBum Floper becoming the GOAT.

@@chauvintookaknee4blm268 People that don't care don't comment. Get off my dill pickle.

There is no debate between LeBron and Kobe lol.

LBJ literally has a higher FG %, 3 PT % and TS%, MJ definitely more efficient though! lol casual MJ glazers

@@phillyphan1346 When you're built like a bulldozer in an age where defense and real centers don't exist, when more often than not the refs look away to your advantage and when 75% of your shots are bulldozered within 10 feet of the basket, you better have a higher field goal %.

@@Mamba-Kush nah don't feed into the LeBron stans dumbass logic. MJ has the highest career PER

@@phillyphan1346 lol you know free throw % matters too??? Notice your bum ass left that off. Their fg, 3p and TS is super close but their ft% isn't. It all is included. MJ career PER is highest of ALL PLAYERS ALL TIME including your Kyang

I always felt like "on paper" LeBron should be physically more gifted for basketball, being bigger and stronger. But I feel he lacks that ruthless drive to compete to the point of being an asshole to everyone, both teammates and rivals. You can see it in "the last dance" when he calls Pippen "egotistical" bc he wanted to renegotiate his contract and was causing some trouble in the company. WHILE MJ WAS SWIMMING IN MONEY ALREADY!! I think LeBron would make a great friend but is not competitive to the level Jordan was

Great comment! I was actually a Chicago guy and remember feeling that if we were going into the fourth quarter loosing by less than 10, it was basically a guaranteed win! Jordan would make sure of it.

@@kleitosaliagas5668 thanks! Ironically I think Jordan created the culture by which LeBron could be deemed lesser i.e. individual over team, business not sport, control the wider personal brand etc. Put LeBron as a basketball player pre-Jordan and it'd be a different conversation I think. I do find LeBrons basketball IQ fascinating though, his situational memory/instinct is as impressive as anything else...Jordan was a relatively blunt basketball player in comparison, for better or worse.

did you feel this way in the 9 years he didnt do anything?

@@user-sn2cx7fb5w there were mever 9 years where he didn't do anything, but yes absolutely! Down less than 10, going into the fourth, especially at home, in the late 80s (which I assume is when you are talking about when you say "didn't do anything") I totally thought the game was in the bag for us.

I watched both play , Jordan was great but u Jordan lovers need to face facts , rings aren't all that matters , LeBron has accomplished a lot more with almost no other star players around him except for now having Anthony Davis , LeBron had guys that couldn't wait to play with him because for a stretch of time they knew they'd either win the finals or get there , plus please remind me who the all time leading scorer is now? I forgot LOL oh wait it's LeBron right ?

@@jeffsmith8204 first of all, I never said that Jordan is better because of the rings. Second, my favourite player is Olajuwon, therefore you can take your "u Jordan lovers and stick it. Third (and here is where I doubt you saw them both play) are you 15? Because you know, LeBron played with Dwyane Wade, and he was the one to sail ship and join other stars. Therefoe, you could have saved your time and shut up

@@elnardowebster2842 im 42 so yeah I've seen them both play LoL, I will never shut up sir so don't waste your time even mentioning that HAHA , I'm wondering where the age 15 came from though haha that was so random

​@jeffsmith8204 bro lebron has had more help than jordan ever had its complete bs wade Kyrie wtf are u talking about u bronsexuals say some of the dumbest shit ever its mind boggling how u people actually think this way

@@jeffsmith8204 its like you didnt even watch the video. anyone can play a sport longer and get more stats. doesnt matter if you play a sport for 30 years if you werent good for all 30 years

i think mj is the goat, spud webb is a dunk contest champion, dont bring that up

Wilt chamberlain is the goat in my eyes with MJ at number 2

Every one knows it's rigged

If LeBald had two slam dunk championships his cult followers would count those with rings and hang banners lol

That’s a complete and total winning take right there. Kobe was as close as it gets. Averaging 29 per game for a decade while making 9 all nba team selections. But Kobe never reached the levels Jordan did. No one likely ever will.

LeBron clears lmao people wanna say load management and how Jordan played all games are the same people who say LeBron playing 20 seasons is why he has all these accolades it doesn’t make sense lmao

As a Bulls fan, I have no love for the Heat, but I respect 'Zo and Hardaway.

@@Dolla8playing 82 game a season and playing 20 years have nothing to do with each other. The straws the LBJ fans grasp at is ridiculous. Lebron plays in a much softer league with relaxed assist rules, and 1’s etc. in this defensively weaker league, Lebron couldn’t last 82 games a season. In an easier to score league, and with 3’s, Lebron still couldn’t beat MJ’s season scoring titles. LBJ can’t stand up to MJ’s defensive titles/ability. Those are both facts. Because of his load managing, and playing in a soft league, he has played 20 years and due to longevity, he finally passed MJ. Not the goat. He is a bad shooter, bad defender, flops, not loyal to teammates, makes excuses for his many losses that he caused and on and on.

Look up in the Miami stadium, and you will see a 23 jersey of MICHAEL JORDAN in the rafters. Why is that? MIAMI LOVED JORDAN~!

When you calculate it in your mind it's true indeed :2 titles, 2 FMVP, 1 MVP, 1 DPOY (basically Hakeem's resume in a nutshell even though I think he has 2DPOYs)

LeBron had -more help (all stars, 3 point shooters, well rounded role players, etc) -more athletic (bigger, stronger, more durable and less injury prone) -played WAY longer -played with more teams -improved sports medicine and training -easier to score in an era of fairly weak defense and lots of flopping -Rarely gets calls against him -played in a pretty weak east for much of his career. -got whatever the hell he wanted for the most part (LeGM). How the hell is he LESS accomplished if he's "better" than Jordan...? The math ain't mathing...!!!

Absolutely astonishing and unbelievable that this somehow became a conversation. I still am at a complete loss whenever I see people making a case for Lebron over Jordan. Quite frankly I don’t even have Lebron top 5.

​@@skap_attack They don't even have the I.Q. capacity to do any retort videos to defend LeFlop. They just go to every video that tells the truth, then proceed to shed tears all over it

@@skap_attackthen your brain dead then

It shouldn't even started at the beginning only because his 2007 performance. That season not even better than 1987 Jordan

8 points in a Finals game 😂😂😂. The audacity to compare him to Jordan.

JJ barea was better than Jordan’s competition

The conversation pro-Jordan people never want to have@@veracity5977

lebron is the goat. mj never led the bulls to the finals before pippen. can you tell me who was the clevelands roster in 2007 finals? lebron took a trash team to the finals at 23 years old. mj would never

What did lebron do that change the game? Player empowerment is the worst the thing that's happened to the league. I was all for it upon a time, but it's gotten out of control.

​@@maxb4318thank you. If anything he left the game worse then when he entered it

I don’t really respect anything about Lebron other than his raw athleticism. He’s cheated the game and himself in my opinion. That’s why he will never be Mount Rushmore in my opinion.

@@skap_attack That's fair to say LeBron did have to switch teams everytime the team he was on wasn't good enough to win a championship anymore because he likes to chase titles and he has no sense of loyalty like players in the past

​@@skap_attackhis greatest legacy is the implementation of LeGay anti flop rule.

the only stat you did miss though was the 3 straight stat... where Jeff never lost 3 straight games regular season or playoffs for 8 yrs during the 90's....

Might wanna change that .. Only 1 MAN he's covering in this video.. Calling LeBron a man is trully an insult to ACTUAL MEN.

​@@Lizards_Loungeagreed! Can't call a diva queen a "MAN."

@@trigun442 thanks man, It scares me there's this many lost kids looking up to this big baby.

Excellent video. Facts

Yeah because that was the only game broadcasted lmao old ass dudes need to realize that’s why the all star game/dunk contest use to be better because of lack of everyday exposure

@@daking414 People don't randomly watch games now. Get your facts before you speak. The dunk contests sucks now because the best players lack creativity and many won't even participate once.

@@nathancook2852 think before I speak? So you’re tellin League Pass was around the whole time jordan and the earlier legends were? If I live in NYC I’m not able to see anything other than my market unless it was on NBC which lead to me only getting to see these other stars outside of my market play.

Absolutely astonishing metrics there.

Thank you for pointing this out. I didn't know much about the MJ - Lebron goat argument before and this video was very informative, but it seemed very sensationalized.

Yea, this is honestly a pretty terrible video to watch if you want to learn about the goat debate. If you want a video roughly this length that is quite frankly more unbiased and entertaining than this one I’d recommend jxmmyhighroller’s “The Harsh truth about the goat debate” video. That’ll give you a much better idea of what is actually going on (also I just love jxmmyhighroller)

@@atlafan7364 Just watched it. Now THAT was a good video.

As a lebron fan I actually respect you because you’re not blocking out things that lebron has done

This video is one of the most emotionally derived pieces of bullshit on the GOAT debate. It belongs more in some Facebook group than in any forum for actual serious discussion. I also say this as someone who believes Jordan is the GOAT

Sheep 🐑 all copying each others comments

It is sad these videos even need to be made. Honestly I only started making them because of all of the comments I was seeing on my other videos lol. Shocked at how many people think this is a conversation

I honestly feel bad for LeBrons horrible media partners and clutch sports guys who plants the narrative that he is the GoAT 🐐…instead of celebrating that Lebron is one of the greatest ever but firmly behind Jordan and possible magic, Kobe, Kareem….they have all the networks youtube and every other outlet talking about his weeknesses and that he’s not Jordan?

As someone who was growing up in the 90s in the Chicagoland area…..man the vibe was just so crazy with Jordan.

Jordan had a better peak but Lebron has proven better durability and sustained excellence so it depends on your criteria for who the best basketball player is.

Same people call Eminem the G.O.A.T. Call Lebron the GOAT...because its the "thing".... real heads know different

@@pretendphilosopher2300did you watch the video? There’s no debate

Hello from Germany! And many thanks for watching 😂❤️. I’m glad to hear Germany knows who the real GOAT is.

@@skap_attack mj is not the goat ill debunk you entire video read my other comment

​​​@@skiidmvdebunk the video? I would love to see you debunk the analytics and individual stats between both players! Comparing LeBron to many other great SF's who came before him that played at least 500 games than comparing Jordan to other great point guards who played at least 500 games and see where each player ranks in points, assists, steals, blocks, and so on it's not even close! Jordan takes it easily! I would love to see you debunk that FACT that the arrogant self proclaimed king has played hundreds of more games than Jordan and over 17,000 more minutes than Jordan and still doesn't rise to Jordans level! Jordan came out of retirement to come back and win another 3 consecutive titles! LeBron wouldn't have done that. He beat the warriors and self proclaimed himself as the greatest of all time which he received a lot of backlash for that on the media. If your the goat you don't have to say it! But the next two season LeBron was swept in the finals 0-4 and than the next year went 1-4! Some goat! All while having great players! Jordan achieved more in less time than LeBron and you millennials and LeBron fans can't seem to wrap your heads around that! The fact that some actually think that LeBron vs Jordan is even debatable shows how stupid some really are. Kobe is ahead of LeBron

@@timtwing5886 Your argument is terrible and all of you old heads say the same thing i’ll paste my other comment to show u

@@timtwing5886 This whole video is a terrible argument and easily debunkable. You say that Jordan only has fewer total stats because he played for less time than Bron when Bron had passed Jordan in points by his 14th season and also passed him in total rebounds and assists and blocks before his 15th season which was Jordans last. You say Jordan led the league in scoring more and that's just about the only thing Jordan is better in. Lebron was always focused on being a more all-around player and averaging better all-around stats than Jordan and that's why he didn't lead the league in scoring more. Bron's era also excelled in scoring compared to Jordan's with way more scorer's and long-range shooters coming up. Lebron was still ana mazing scorer and he is also better all round than Jordan being the only player to be listed in all 5 positions. You also act like advanced stats were made for Lebron when they were there before he came to the league. You then mention how Jordan's accolades are better when Lebron should have won dpoy in 2013 and 2009. Lebron also has more longevity in defense and stayed at peak defense level for longer and his defense peak was better than Jordans. Lebron also should have won MVP in 2018 and 2005. Yes, Jordan has more rings, but Lebron made the finals many times where Jordan would not have made it and he played way more competition in the finals even though you want to argue that Jordan played more competition. You go off pure statistic numbers of all stars played and played with forgetting your own argument that Lebron played so much longer so he's had more all-star teammates which weren't all with him at once. Lebron played the best team of all time in multiple finals where Jordan had the second-best team of all time at his side. Jordan only led his team in scoring and steals in playoffs and finals where Lebron led every team he played for in every thing. Jordan has a terrible win percentage without Scottie and his team preformed basically the same when he left the league where Lebron's teams dropped all the way to the worst seed when left when before they were contenders with him. Lebron has played so much better competition than Jordan overall and only left his teams for what you say is "ring chasing" when in reality its because his other teams weren't helping him at all and were absolutely terrible. LeBron overall peaked higher than Jordan and you also dismiss his longevity likes its nothing when Lebron is still going strong at 38 years old consistently when Jordan was not doing nearly as well at Lebron's age. @skap_attack please give me some more bs reasons for why MJ is the goat so I can debunk them all.

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​@@arrodisbrokegoat at flopping

​@@hitmanagent871flopping the ball into the basket

@@novathepug6692 No, flopping as in over exaggerating a contact in order to draw a foul. In other words, lebron is a soft drama queen

@@hitmanagent871 never seen sum1 score through contact like LeBron does. u do not know ball.

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Nahhh, KD is way off LeBron. His team hopping is far more egregious

yet peolple still say that lebron had as much help, if you say noone said that, just take a look through this comment section

Thats probably the most one sided video I’ve ever seen

Even when he was 38/39 years old he was still a scoring machine

Yeah.. the year he injured his knee in Washington... the were going to go to the playoffs!! And Mike's averages were crazy for his age..

@@daniell5740 He still has a whole bunch of records from his time on the Wizards. Basically a lot of the oldest player to do.....are all MJ records.

They were not loyal they were tied down

This whole loyalty thing is crazy.. 😂😂 are any of us loyal to our current employers? Hell no! If a better opportunity arrives and our current employer isn’t matching the offer/better overall work environment, we’d be out in an instant! And don’t ever forget that the Mavs traded Harrison Barnes in THE MIDDLE OF A GAME!! And you want players to be loyal to franchises?😂

Mike(mic) Drop!!

Jordan stans love to forget that Scottie Pippen existed.

yeah I agree but whats weird is that when he got his Cavs ring they really weren't stacked.. they were actually a shitty team tbh aside from Kyrie and Love. After the ring He stacked the team and lost anyway

​@@Mcdun325Scottie? 😂😂😂 Just if LeBron reached in as often as you guys do...he might actually get some DEFENSIVE stats.

​@@Mcdun325and your LeGay would've been a Pippen if he played in 1980s and 1990s.

All this guy posts is lebron hate or race bait videos its almost comedic

To be claer,we are sick of hearing people claim Lebron is better - when we know full well Michael would embarass him if they had ever met in their primes in the finals. With the whole world watching.

ts was trash I can debunk the whole video bron is the goat

8 consecutive finals not better than consecutive finals that Jordan play in his career and won it all

@@justinsm Looser mentality. Participation trophies don't count.

Jordan’s Disney movie was better too 😂

Agreed. We need to shut this damn “debate” down already. 15 years over due.

Especially if LeBron embarrasses himself and plays another season and God forbid gets swept/choked AGAIN. Damage control!

This is not a debate, it's a slaughter in MJs favor. Where are all the LeFlop fans at? Any of you all care to do your own debate videos to defend The Frozen One? Didn't think so Soft serves 😅

Well, they have to generate recency-bias-based 'hot takes' every day to attract views. I have watched both players' entire careers, unlike many of these youngbloods, and there is no real comparison, especially taking into account today's soft era. MJ is the best player of all time.

Every time the bulls were in Atlanta, is drive the 3 hours, get a scalped ticket, to watch him play

I had to buy a 10 game package just to watch MJ play because my local team wouldn't just sell the bulls game. Worth every penny. When he was announced, the place went bananas and hundreds of sporting events later i've still never felt that electricity.

Been that way with 2 players jordan and Peyton manning

Lebron is faster than MJ facts, jumps far far higher than MJ see the head above the rim many times which MJ never did we have video proofs now, LeBron far quicker too see the metrics, better in clutch as he has more clutch game winners with more fg% stats too back it up so all your points are debunked today we have technology that disproves all the bullshit and LeBron has killer mentality than MJ who quit the league due to his mental health issues lol no killer🤣

LeBron jumps more than MJ which everyone knows and stats too back it up so stop the bloody nonsense, Lebron is 100 times superior to MJ in all physical metrics

Larry Bird was even more clutch, absolutely ruthless.

I am reporting thus comment for spreading false information!

Kobe was just as great!

@@Mike1122. Jordan beats Kobe in virtually any metric you can name. Even Kobe said Jordan was the greatest of all time.

mj is so overrated

And Jordan was actually the fastest to 32,000 career points as well.

Not surprised they are #1 and #2 in career ppg

More proof lebron's numbers are just sheer quantity due to playing a long ass time and padding his stats.

Great context on adding in the first 1045 games played. In my opinion Lebron isn’t one of the 3 best scorers in NBA history.

@@skap_attack Kobe and shaqs number would probably be in the 30k if they were not playing together speaks to both of there dominance together

I mean, he’d average at least 40 imo.

@@skap_attack multiple former nba stars have said that. i'm just agreeing with them tbh

this some bs u talking right here. today's nba is much thougher than how it was back then. sure mj is good, but he would be no where near a 50 points average. 25 at most. also defensive rules back then didn't allow much defensive plays so ur argument is absolute trash. stop glazing fr

first person who isn't a bot in these comments@@56bosu

Defense was non existent back then only iso defense with no double or triple teams, MJ would average 20-25 today

can't argue with FACTS

Not to mention 2009 and 2010 missing the Finals while having the best record in the NBA

But what about the series against Golden State? I thought that made him the greatest of all time? I mean he said so himself. 😂😂

It ended when he got swept in 2007.....

If Jordan was on THAT Miami team in 11’ instead of Lebron ..mavs would’ve got swept

MJ is on GOAT Tier level 1 Level 2: Kareem and Lebron -- mostly b/c of longevity. Not too far behind on level 3: Magic, Bird and probably Curry, will be Jokic, Duncan, maybe KG-Kobe, and whoever else. etc.

LeBron on tier 2 is debatable. Where is Russell,Wilt,and Shaq??......Curry is an all time great,but his place in the top ten is debatable. Magic should be tier 2 easily. Hakeem should be mentioned if Curry is mentioned.

@@jlui21 joker hasn't accomplished enough. K.G. might not even be top 20. Might as well mention K.D. instead.

(most) Jordan fans: YOU MUST BOW TO JORDAN AS THE GREAT!!!!!! Lebum, Mickey Mouse ring chaser (most) Lebron fans: Both are good, I just think LeBron is better

Wrong, the case study should be of the MJ and LBJ fans, how many actually played basketball at a high level. I guarantee you, a majority of MJ fans never made it on their HS basketball teams- like skap

@@phillyphan1346 Shooting under 40% beyond 3 ft from the basket and below 75% from the ft for a career? Laughable.

@@phillyphan1346What does Skap not being on a high school basketball team have to do with him ruthlessly dismantling the narrative that LeBron is anywhere near "GOAT" status? You can't disprove the stats, so you attack Skap personally? Not a big brain move there, cowpoke.

@@TheWorstAmy-LegacyAccount It means he never played the game at a high enough level to actually know what he is talking about. 90%+ of MJ fans are casuals who never even watched him or have played the game at a high level. If you havent noticed, more and more NBA greats are saying LBJ is the GOAT. It is going to continue as time goes on. In my experience. LBJ fans tend to know more about the game than MJ fans. Why? Because you need to know context. Additionally, Skap makes these disparaging LBJ videos weekly. He thinks about LBJ all day long. If it isnt a debate why does he make debate videos about it every other video? It is pathetic.

​@@phillyphan1346You sound dumb more and more NBA players are saying it and now it's about 60% Jordan's the goat and almost 40% for LeBron so even the greatest athletes to lace up shoes don't have it even you parrot 😂 Nice try harder next time 😂

It's a great image to sum up LeBum.

Why, simply for stating facts? 🤦🏽‍♂️ You Bronsexuals boy I tell you.

And yet Jordan still has more rings

@@hitmanagent871 did it in one of the least competitive eras on ONE team. You’re missing my point🤡

@@crangusmcbasketball2931 you made zero point anyways 😂 you don't deserve to be talking basketball

@@hitmanagent871 my point is bron isn’t dependent on a single team. The chips go where he goes. Can’t say the same about mj. Learn to read

@@crangusmcbasketball2931 the greats always stay with one team Jordan Kobe magic Russell bird Duncan curry all successfully created a dynasty with the team that drafted them. Lebron never created a dynasty in Cleveland so he left like a female dog

11>6 Easy debate

@@lRockyIthen Lebron ain’t even top 10 in that case Lmfao

@@lRockyIyou’re strawmanning my argument. You’re making it only about rings, which isn’t what I did. I mentioned rings, them as overall players, along with stats and accolades. Also, Jordan clears Bill.

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@@lRockyI That’s weak… Russell played with 4 HOF and played in an 8 team league

Yeah, because MJ had no ego, no commentators gushing over him, and never acted like a spoiled brat himself, like storming out of practice because he didn't think that a scrimmage game had the right score.

@@DanTarrant1 just like MJ was better than LJ in basketball he was (and is) also better at media relations. Stayed out of politics, never said stupid crap like he was the goat, acknowledged other players, etc. He hasn’t even ripped Pippen publicly. MJ’s just more of a class act.

I too recall Jordan’s second three peat when I was still very young and growing up in Kobe’s era. A true lifelong pleasure to watch both players.

@@Calidastasgambling and alcohol

so lebron wasnt entertaining as well? The dick riding is crazy in this comment section I knew exactly what I was walking into

Thank you very much for watching. I appreciate you 🙏❤️. And I agree with you on the fake “basketball IQ” narrative. Hilarious and pathetic.

Only reason why he has more turnovers is cause he’s been in the league for 21 years dummy🤨

Nah, you are just hating at this point. Lebron has one of the biggest IQ in the history of ball. He sees everything in the field and can touch his teammates with absolute masterpiece. LBJ has that much TO because he had the ball a lot. Would you say Stockton is not that great of a playmaker because he has a shit ton of TO?

⁠@@toshirohitsugaya857 thank you for bringing up Stockton because that proves my point that I’m not hating, LBJ is just objectively not that good. John Stockton didn’t have that many turnovers compared to LBJ. Stockton played in 182 playoff games and had 517 TO. LBJ has played in 282 and had 1015. That’s nearly twice as many turnovers per game as a guy who had the ball in his hands more than LBJ. Stockton - high basketball IQ. LeFootball WR James - low basketball IQ.

@@PhxLawBall The gap in term of TO is not that deep. Stockon is a 3 TO/game and Lebron is 3.5 TO/game. Jordan is a 3.1 TO/game while having the ball at least less than Lebron, who is a point forward. Lebron is that smart with the ball. He pretty much do the best thing almost every single play. He makes some mistake, but who doesn't honestly? And so many TO doesn't mean a thing. Would you say Luka, arguably the biggest Basket-Ball IQ today, is not that smart because he has approximatively 4 TO/game?

ok fine what would lebron need in order to be the goat

@@averageproblem the window is closed. He would have had to be as dominant as Jordan was. As great as LeBron is he simply was not. It's not just the 6 for 6 rings. It's the individual accolades too. Look at his basketball reference... count all the bold and italicized numbers, both standard and advanced, where he lead the league. He dominated. Now compare that to LeBron's. It's not close.

@@matthewt8214 this my counter argument.:kzfaq.info/get/bejne/f7yUfZmLntDQpZc.html&pp=ygUQZ29hdCBkZWJhdGUganhteQ%3D%3D People act like MJ will forever be the GOAT and never can be beaten. With players getting better every year, eventually someone is going to be a clear-cut GOAT and people will still be like "He's not even close to MJ" There are so many other parts to being great than stats. Stats just show who's a better player, and also gives a plus to the accolades collected.

@@averageproblem I completely disagree. With the game becoming more advanced, training and load management etc, at best it's going to muddy the water. Look at baseball. Babe Ruth isn't the clear cut goat, some say it's Barry Bonds who played recently. But as the game has advanced you see fewer players playing the full season, pitching complete games etc. There's less opportunity with all the focus on staying healthy

@@matthewt8214 Jokic won MVP this year (I'm ignoring Embiid's MVP because Kendrick Perkins is a bitch for taking his deserved MVP) Won the championship, all while only playing 69 games this season. Do you really need to play that many games if your team is built really well that it still wins without their best player? Don't get me wrong, they aren't the same without Jokic, considering the win shares he has over his career. My definition of greatness is the amount of accolades a player receives, and how dominant a player can be during that time. MJ played only 13 seasons. Veterans who are nowhere close as good as MJ played way longer. In that time he garnered more accolades than lebron did in 20. Of course I consider lebron to have been sold by his teammates a couple times throughout his career, and he also made the terrible move of trying to be GM. (How does a guy who can memorize the whole playbook and not be able to make sensible trades?) Lebron also had to play against one of the best teams assembled next to MJ's team, and then had to play them again with KD, but somehow won coming from a 3-1 deficit. Lebron also came into a team not willing to at least try to build around him, carrying his team to the finals with a bunch of scrubs, getting swept in no time. MJ got drafted to a team ready to build around him and gathered pieces that helped MJ be the greatest he could be. I think Lebron would've stayed with the Cavs if they did a better job building around him, he could've had a much better career than he has now. But of course, this debate is stupid because it all comes down to someone's opinion of greatness. That's why I believe the goat debate will never end with the majority with MJ, the minority with Lebron, and the last 5% with anyone but MJ or Lebron (for now)

Or having a foul called on him

​@mikerobinson6969 Jordan is the GOAT 🐐, but LeBron was 2nd in DPOY voting in 2013 the same year he won MVP, and almost won DPOY in 2014 too. He only cared about defense in his young prime, and not so much once he got into his 30s. Jordan gave his all, all of the time.

Don't forget about not practicing as well either.

@@alvinbutler9357 the reason I made the comment about the fouls is because LeBron is #10 in games played, #3 in minutes played but ranks 176th in fouls. Everyone else thats top 10 in games and minutes ranks no lower than 30th in fouls. Hes played 349 more games and still has less fouls than Jordan, hes played 500 more games than Isiah Thomas and has less fouls than him as well. They say Jordan got special treatment with the refs..so what do they call what LeBron gets?

That's a great observation, but the only advantage of getting more fouls called is more trips to the line for more points. We both know LeBron doesn't need anymore of those lol.

bring it on cream puff boy

dude i would lay you out in a fight count on it

8 points in a Finals game 😂😂😂

Was kobe number 1 and bron 2 wade 3?

Seriously would walk right past LeBron if I saw him zzzz

jordan could not shoot brudda thats why he aint shoot 3 pointer after 3 pointer. also the lakers do not have 3 HOF like the bulls did.

@@12avchrhd3That is so far from the truth, I'm not even going to dignify that with an answer.

@@12avchrhd3Chum, re-read your answer and be more sincere please. MJ has the highest points per game in NBA History - 30.1 ppg & 33.4 in the playoffs. He also has won the Scoring Title 10 times and LeBron won the same Award just one time. Why are you saying he can't shoot?

@@BouchIsOnTheLoose702 he can’t shoot 3s mb

@@12avchrhd3 The main reason he doesn't shoot 3's is he grew up playing basketball when there wasnt a 3-point line. I don't know how you can blame that on him.

Eloquently said. He wont reply to this one for sure.

Jordan already played at an older age than Lebron, on one leg and with broken ribs thanks to MWP. Dude was a shadow of himself physically and hadn't played pro sports in three full years. He pretty much had no time at all that first season to get into proper basketball shape because of his injuries. It would have been much different had he never stopped playing and been in basketball shape (and mind) going into those final two seasons. But he played those couple of years basically shooting mid range jumpers all game because his knees wouldn't allow him to do anything else. Those years absolutey killed his career stats, probably doing as much damage as the slow drop off would have done had he played the three seasons prior, so overall his stats would have looked pretty similar in terms of averages but obviously way better in terms of career totals. But where you're going wrong is by just looking at 'more rebounds, more assists' which is pretty much the least analytical way you could possibly compare the two. It's much better to look at advanced metrics which aggregate all that box score data to give an idea of the overall impact of a player each time they stepped foot on a court. It's here where MJ clearly leads LeBron, in every single one of these box score based metrics. The video references these, though he doesn't go into detail about the particular numbers, just how many times each led the league. In terms of actual numbers, Jordan leads LeBron in overall career averages for these metrics....in fact he leads all of NBA history. The gulf isn't massively wide as you correctly state but you can say that about all the top ten players of all time.....when you get to that point there's not a lot that separates them from a statistical standpoint, it's why they are ranked as high as they are and it's why these arguments come down to splitting hairs a lot of the time.

He made it to the finals playing much weaker competition in the east. That's why people tend to only talk about his finals appearances, the trip there wasn't noteworthy or memorable outside of 2018 which still had no title contenders out east. MJ also had an average 3 point shot for his era while lebron has a below average shot for his.

MJ took two years of his prime off as well. What would those same stats look like if you remove the year 30-32 from LeBron.

⁠@@inefektI actually disagree with you on the point of Jordan clearly leading James in the advanced stats metrics because if you look at them they’re fairly even Jordan leads James in 3 categories player efficiency by .7, Box +/- by .4 points and usage % by 1.7% James leads Jordan in 3 categories as well Value over replacement by 20 , win shares by 41.1 and true shooting by 2.1 points So overall if we look at advanced metric they are even and the advanced stats Jordan does lead in its not by more then .9 points they have the same efficiency, they have a similar bpm and they have similar usage rates Now that’s just talking regular season advanced stats if we’re talking playoff advanced states they’re fairly even as well Lebron leads Jordan in 3 categories Value over replacement by 9.7, Win shares by 18.1 and True shooting by 2.5 Jordan leads James in Player efficiency by .7, Box +/- by 1.1 and usage % by 4.8 So overall even in the playoffs they show similar performances it truly comes down to what type of basketball player you want leading your team. If Jordan was placed in Lebrons shoes would he be able to do the same thing as lebron would he be able to go to the finals that many times would he be able to beat those teams lebron played against? The Spurs one of the best teams of that time with Tim Duncan, Tony parker, Ginobli and a young Kawhi Leonard, The Mavs which during that playoffs sweeped the lakers, beat Okc and the heat to win the playoffs and finals, and finally the Golden State Warriors possibly the greatest basketball team assembled so truthfully while people hate on Lebron for his loosing Championship record if you look at the teams he faced they where some of the best teams to exist. Went to the finals 10 times consecutively from 2011 -2018 faced some of the best teams ever id say the argument is just as close as people make it out. The reason why in a lot of peoples minds Lebron will never beat jordan is purely due the accolades what determines greatness in peoples eyes is impact and accomplishments which then turns into legacy , Jordans legacy in basketball overall is bigger then lebrons He has more accolades then lebron and his impact on basketball was bigger in the sense that he got his own shoe with Nike which went on to essentially revive the company and also just impact the American culture in general he “brought basketball to the world stage” and we could honestly go on. if we’re talking about the best basketball player you could choose Lebron or Jordan and you wouldn’t be wrong they both dominated both their respective eras in a once in a generation fashion but if we are talking the greatest then indeed it is Jordan because of what his Legacy means to the game of Basketball as a whole

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A stacked team that was actually built from scratch, drafting players and making them better over the years

So everyone should be Philly now? New league, new ways to build a team. Just cause you don't like it, doesn't mean it is "ring chasing"@@hitmanagent871

He's truly 1 of the very few on gems youtube.. even the rest of "truth tellers" mostly have this bum in their top 5 still JUST in case😂so they don't get labeled a "total hater" and in future could get big sponsors and sht SMH

Many thanks for the kind words, guys. I appreciate it, and I appreciate you tuning in! And I will never sell out 😂. I will continue to bust this bum up all over this platform 🙏 ❤️

@@skap_attack He's got a whole political party, 10s mills of Letrolls and 2 dozens of LeMedia members behind him, but "the light always shines inside darkness", so we'll win anyway! Ty again.

@@upfront2375why is Lebron not top ten

@@skap_attackI could tell you why Lebron is at least top 2

Thank you!! I appreciate the kind words and for your continual support and viewership 🙏🙏 Fundamentally, the entire line of reasoning on Lebron annoys the hell out of me. Just as you said: 1) the implication that Jordan v Lebron is even a debate and 2) that it’s “not close” between Kobe and Lebron. The only thing that isn’t close, never was and never will be is Jordan v Lebron.

How many dynasty teams did Jordan face? Your really think the skill level back then is comparable to know? I’m not discrediting certain great players of the 90s but the parity between teams then and teams now is incomparable. Why do we not put bill Russell ahead of Jordan? He got a 7peat and 2 more as player coach? It’s because we don’t acknowledge the skill levels of players/teams in that era? A little hypocritical don’t you thing? Get back at me, down to have a respectable debate. Until then it’s not even close King James >Jordan

@@PumpkinEscobar92 I think some put Russell a head of Jordan and I understand the reasoning. I personally have Russell on the Mount Rushmore. Lebron’s playoff opponents were not as good as you think. Some of the reason there were no other dynasty level teams when Jordan played was because of him. He didn’t allow others to win unlike Lebron. Jordan came up in the 80s that was STACKED. Bird Celtics and Magic Lakers. Bad boy pistons. More competitive and too heavy than any time Lebron ever played in. I’m working on an EXTENSIVE piece on what all time great has the BEST playoff resume. I’m deep into researching it and let me assure you, it’s DEFINITELY not Lebron lol.

​@skap_attack He never beat Boston and he waited for the decline of the Pistons and Lakers to win his first Championship, at their peak Jordan couldn't get it done

@@shazmagoon right. BUT he did get it done 6 times in essentially 12 years. Lebron has played 19 years of healthy full seasons compared to 12 of Jordan and he’s got it done 4 times. AND Lebron has had way more help. In fact he just has to jump team to team to get more and more help. Still has failed substantially more than he’s succeeded. In fact Kobe played harder comp with less supporting casts and won more in less time. I’ve seen his entire career and for the life of me I can figure out why Lebron is held in such high regards.

Same way lebron had a different player to hit the clutch shot for him against the warriors in 2016?

Jordan guarded the best perimeter player every damn night. Just shows you never watched the GOAT play. "All he had to do was score", who the hell else was gonna score. Pippen ave 16 for his career, a little better when he played with Jordan, Kukoc 14 a game, Grant 11, that was it. And he didn't have all 3 of those guys his entire career. Let's be generous and say Jordan's next 3 tops scorers get 45 a night. LeFlop had Wade and Bosh, those two alone get 45 a night... And LeFlop's cast gets better than Jordan's the deeper you go...

MJ didn’t win 10 scoring titles in a row. In Mj’s second season the 30 win bulls team made the playoffs yet LbJ’s east was weak. And we can’t compare two different sports

If LeBron was in the western conference those years I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have been in so many finals. I think the bulls with Rose gave em a bit of a challenge a year or two plus Celtics like you mentioned and that's about it.

@@frankhtlllful DRose could have caused serious problems for LBJ if he had stayed healthy. That 2012 Bulls team was way better than the 2011 one which got to the ECF - still hurts to watch DRose highlights.

​@@AntoineSMDPuscYou 🤡. Michael Jordan 👉🏾 WHEN STARTING A SEASON HAS WON 10 CONSECUTIVE SCORING TITLES BOZO. David Robinson scoring title Jordan was RETIRED, Shaq 1995 Scoring Title Jordan played 17 Games that season in baseball shape, he didn't even qualify for the PPG list Bozo. When Jordan played and ended a full season he won 10 scoring titles consecutively. Jordan in 11½ seasons in Chicago has accomplished more than anyone in NBA History 👉🏾 WINNING & ACCOLADES Hold more weight than stats 👉🏾 THAT'S WHY THE MAN SAID JOE FLACCO HAS MORE YARDS THAN JOE MONTANA BOZO THE 🤡.

Paul George is a first ballot HOFer and I’m tired of people disrespecting what that man did in Indiana

This is casual central, skap don’t know ball dude was a CYO player

​@@LL-zm9goYou don't have to be NBA star to know basketball.

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lebron played against kobe, he did not "dance circles around him" also get wilt off this list, put anyone else their, wilt is not in my top ten even.

Didn't he get swept that year? 😂

Stop watching Basketball through shorts lil bro 😭

hahaha, yes making the finals and getting swept is much harder than 2 3 peats. Lebron stans are in denial.

lebron is the goat. mj never led the bulls to the finals before pippen. can you tell me who was the clevelands roster in 2007 finals? lebron took a trash team to the finals at 23 years old. mj would never

@@joaotavares078 against mid teams in the east 😂

He had to take 4 years off in 15 years, ofcourse MJ couldnt last 20 years straight. I would have paid good money to see him on any other roster besides the Bulls. Pretty funny he wouldnt even come back to CHI unless Phil Jackson remained coach, he was literally going to stay retired if Phil left. That is your GOAT? a guy who won in ONE system which happened to be the best roster in the league? L M A O.

So you gonna act like 2011 didn’t exist? And Lebron didn’t crawl his way to Miami?

There are a lot of hot takes that are simply on the wrong side of history [We don't have to imagine with Lebron - WE ARE ALL STILL WITNESSING GREATNESS] Lebron James is on his way to 41,000 points; 11,000 assists and 11,000 rebounds; The only man with a TRIPLE QUINTUPLE in NBA History; For context, no other player in NBA history has 27,000, 7,000, and 7,000 The comparison (statistically) really isn't that close As of March 20, 2019 -------------------------- LEBRON JAMES Career Points 32,543 Career Assists 8,606 Career Rebounds 8,844 Career Blocks 918 Field Goal Attempts 23,400 Free Throws Made 7,140 ---------------------------------------------------------- MICHAEL JORDAN Career Points 32,292 Career Assists 6,672 Career Rebounds 5,643 Career Blocks 893 Field Goal Attempts 24,537 Free Throws Made 7,327 ----------------------------------------------------------- LEBRON PASSED JORDAN IN 2019 AND HAS BEEN LAPPING HIM EVERY SINCE. And then there is this: Lebron has more player of the months all time than anyone in NBA history of the game Lebron has more player of the weeks all time that anyone in NBA history of the game More playoff points all time More regular season points all time More all star points all time More all star votes all time Most seasons averaging 25 ppg all time 4th all time in assists Most playoff assists and steals all time Most all NBA appearances all time When you say or hear CHASE DOWN BLOCK....who do you think of. Lebron's body holding up to possibly play with his sons is a strength/positive Jordan retiring multiple times is NOT a strength/positive. Longevity is not a weakness - it is a sign of strength.

Jordan was burned out after 3 finals appearances, what makes you think he could play 20 straight years.

Jordan was sick every damn month dude couldn’t hold up to a full career lol

Skap attack is absolutely one of the biggest hater.

@@vlad6331 Lebroom got swept away to Cancun. Cry more. 😢😭🤣🤣🤣🧹🧹🧹

​@@vlad6331and LeGay is the main reason why the LeGay anti flop rule is now going to be enforced.

​@@vlad6331I know we men ain't meant to... I know it's hard.. So I'll do it for you.. 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

Dumb haters hating on one of the greatest players ever, very sad, lebron you are a great person and amazing player.

Who's "we" kids born in the 2010s? 😂

None of those guys but Jordan is ranked above Bird. Idk what up with this modern day take where Bird is no longer mentioned.

Lebron has been incredibly durable and statistically relevant for 20 years. Factor in his four stolen, garbage rings and he’s still somewhere in the top 10. IMO he’s down by the very bottom. He will never get anywhere near a top 5 list of mine and he will NEVER be in ANY legitimate GOAT conversations.

Because they had Kobe (and Gasol) and more grit and heart.

@@mxsty-fw5fj that’s right. I said it and I mean it. Jordan, Kareem, Kobe, Russell and Magic are my top 5.

Three SF I’d take before Lebron: Bird,Barkley and Kawhi Leonard. Hell I’d even take Tayshaun Prince before him… and everybody also glamorizes the chase down blocks? Prince was doing that wayyy before, when Lebron was still in diapers!

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When you really take everything into account….IT ISNT CLOSE 😂. Really, not sure how this became a conversation. The battle for 2 all time is actually fierce. And like 5-8 guys have claim for that spot.

You know whats even better? Jordan was more likely to win a championship (46%) than Lebron is to make a 3PT shot this season (41%)

lol but lebron has made it to the finals 50% of the time. Jordan lost to the east because in the 90s the east was better than the west. Jordan lost more in the playoffs because that’s where his competition was when he got to the finals it was a cake walk. in the 00’s,10’s the west has been better than the east so lebron would walk through the playoffs to lose to the better team coming out of the west not to mention 5 of his 6 losses are against 2 of the top 5 teams of all time in the spurs and the warriors. and 2 of his finals losses he was in mvp conversations because of how well he played even though the team lost. Jordan fans are so delusional. You guys talk about Jordan like you brag about how good you were as your high schools starting qb. You weren’t that good then and remember it with nostalgia same way you guys talk about Jordan. If they both played in today’s league Jordan would be a better scorer and lebron would be a better all around player. Simple as that. You wouldn’t compare them because they dont play the same way. Lebron is the greatest overall basketball player of all time. Jordan is the best scorer and champion ever. They are different players they both goats in their own right but dont you dare try to tell me that Jordan is a better overall basketball player than a player who has been top 5 in almost every main statistical category for 20 years in this league. When Jordan was only a scorer with a great team around him to let him be a scorer

Jordan played 15 seasons not 13

@@clidioustheprogamer6791 played 18 games in 85’ and 17 games in 94. Jordan played 13 full seasons.