"It's when we forget that we become ungrateful " that phrase!

These talks are the most worthwhile valuable discussions that I have ever had the pleasure of listening to... And I am truly GRATEFUL... THANK YOU ALL

One of the deepest desires I have is that JBP gets as far as humanly possible through the Book in the time we have with him.

This is currently my favorite content on KZfaq. Thank you to all the creators, supporters, scholars, and participants of this project.

I have just caught up on the Exodus series and what I have developed a craving for is the next episode in the series. At the same time it is poignant because that is the last one. I have been so deeply blessed by the series. What I appreciate so much is the depth of devotion in everyone involved along with the fun and delight and humor each brought to the table, and the obvious love and brotherhood and ecumenical fellowship. We need so much more of this.

This series is just insanely good ,all guest are top notch

"Projecting the future onto the past" was a great phrase, great takeaway, and warning, too.

Being grateful for what you have , who you are and if you’re working towards a goal (which some of us aren’t unfortunately, I’ve been guilty of this), being grateful for having the opportunity to do so. As a veteran, and as someone whose lived with nothing to having some kind of stability, I can say that most people have no idea how lucky we have it here. I went to Afghanistan and saw children cheer and get excited for bottled water… we take all this for granted because we forget. Now comes the cultivation of cravings we don’t need and those cravings if not obtained can lead to envy and resentment. The roof over your head, the clothes on your back and the food on your table is the foundation. If you have that you have everything.. everything else is an unnecessary craving. I’m not saying that you can’t have nice things because it’s okay to buy that nice suit, car etc. if you have the money to do so without putting yourself in financial instability. I believe it’s unhealthy to crave something more than what’s necessary to live and allowing that craving to become an obsession which may become resentment and envy.

I actually began writing out a list a week or so ago of the good things in life, both big and small, and I look for them in the present, but also things from the past Any time I find something good, I pull out the iphone and just write it down in the notes app. It has really helped me change my mindset, because now I'm actively on the lookout for good things in life. It's shocking what you find when you earnestly look for it. The list has really grown, and it's nice to review it and see how much goodness I'm surrounded by.

Living with the posture of a thankful and grateful heart is the key to continued blessings upon your life. Never going unnoticed by our Father. When you are grateful for the sight of a sunset, for laughter at children at play.. when you know your bills will be met and food on your table, a good bed to sleep in and the devotion of my dog . How can I not stay in a state of gratefulness and want to linger there?

Many scriptures reference “in all things give thanks” and Philippians 4:6 - Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.

The IQ’s are off the charts .. wow The epic backdrops, the conversation-piece table, OZ, Jonathan, Dennis, Jordan, Ben 👌👍☺️ So awesome how they respect, and feed off of each other, even though Christians and Jews consider each other dead wrong at the end of the day … what a masterful conversation. I also love how Ben and Dennis - or Jordan & Dennis - or Oz & Dennis alone could make this conversation incredibly worthwhile, but all them together are just fireworks. But Ben still knows when to talk and when to listen .. it’s truly exemplary. 👌He has the intellect & knowledge to captain the whole conversation, and the humbleness & wisdom to know when to let others stand in the spotlight for their moment. It’s not by accident; he knows exactly what he’s doing. He may know as much (or more I’m sure in some cases) as some elder Rabbis that he studies with, but lets the elder Rabbis speak out of RESPECT FOR HIS ELDERS.. this is True Wisdom of The Bible put into practice. Having Dr. Peterson adding complexity of psychological insights into this study of The Torah is a masterful move. 👏👏 Then Dennis’s interjections of parallels with modern-day America just puts the cherry on top. ☺️👏 God Bless you men and lead you and us all closer to himself and His Son ♥️🙏

A healthy mind knows how to listen to content like this, where one can be enriched by other people's insights, but not compelled to fully agree with everyone simultaneously.

Jordan: I hope everyone speaks more than me so I can learn Jordan: speaks more than everyone

Ben Shapario is hungry for this type of conversation. He's better at this than those tiltok reviews. It's deeper.

I feel even those who are not religious can learn a lot from these sorts of discussions, fascinating stuff

This podcast debate is an unexpressed in reasoned words Prayer to GOD. So I thank HIM first. Thank you to Mr Peterson and all who contribute here. I thought a lot about the Journey of The Israelites from Bondage as slaves in Egypt to their liberation to walk in the desert to get to the land promised them by GOD. What really excites me here this evening, is that these men are free to think about all the levels of meaning they can bring out, from the texts. I have been in Bondage mentally. Having belonged to a fundamentalust church, left it, and fearful of thinking for myself, retaining that view of The Scriptures. I found it restrictive. As the means through which scripture would be examined, was not ( still is not ) explorative, but the foremat had to be to use other parts of scripture to explain another part . Without relying on any other approach in thinking. There was no real Life in this approach to me . I gave up reading GOD'S Word . I hated the bible! Because of the past and associations I had with it. So I am learning how to think, and how to be free, and to see GOD'S Word in a new Light, where I can find relevance from all of scripture to my own life, as well as the history, it covers. Its very exciting to hear men talk so freely and without negative judgements, to delve deeper. Thanks!!!

"I had my porridge first thing this morning...I was grateful for the helping...and I think I was even satisfied." I wrote the phrase with grateful, and gradually added that I was satisfied, being a sort of progression from gratitude to satisfaction.

God I wish Dr. James White was at the table … 🙏♥️ Love all these men in different ways for their intelligent insights.. each one brings something to this table in their own way .. what absolute Brilliance 👏👏👏

The discussion is amazing. A wealth of information and wisdom. Thank you.

‘A sufficient moral effort is what the patient needs rather than psychotherapy’ but I find these people and especially Dr. Peterson guide my moral thinking in a way I couldn’t do on my own. For better or for worse. I don’t know what I would have made of Dostoevsky if I hadn’t come to him through Dr. Peterson.

Great. Now I’m craving more of this discussion! 😂

What a great panel of minfs.Gratitude always!💟

This kind of content is amazing. I hope can see more of that. Thank you very much for this treasure.

"Let all your thinks be gratitude" ❤

Modern society is Cultivating Discomfort, Distraction, Fascination. Did you hear about the trendy new thing that everyone is craving? It makes you feel better than you ever knew was possible, by doing something amazing that is difficult to explain, yet simple to use…

I have Huge Respect and very grateful or these people for showing great values to our generation....God bless you 🙏 👍 👏 😊

Leading scholars of our time! Great insight professors thanks for this great conversation.

i tell you what coming out of suffering , or severe depression is like winning lotto … appreciation and gratitude is a byproduct of deep suffering for me

I do this all of the time. Suffer for the sake of suffering while trying to remember that I'm fine.

I'm grateful for my resentments when they come along. Peterson taught me the utility of a resentment and I try and practice the lesson.

Thank you!! A reminder to be grateful.

Jordan & Ben competing for dominance in this discussion lmao

Thank you for another incredible and enlightening discussion

Very interesting. Thank u for doing these!

These sessions are amazing!

I pray 🙏 everyday with thanks for everything including my pain makes me suffer but I know I feel

I’m amazed with the depth and explanation of the biblical story

The easiest way to be grateful is to have a good relationship with God. If you have God you find joy in suffering, which can make you very grateful.

When I saw the title something clicked, the cultivation of cravings is such a true occurence in human beings, yet, I had never heard it put in such simple yet profound words. I have seen this in friends and family, people finding cravings for things they previously didn’t even know about, for example a friend saw a 25 episode series, now suddenly he wants to buy t-shirts about the series, he posts about it all the time on social media, he appears rather obsessed with something that a few days ago didn’t even know existed. It’s not the first time I see this behaviour in him. I think people that succumb into cravings rather easily and people that become obsessed with things have some kind of mental unbalance, there is something lacking in them. For the record, this is a person who doesn’t believe God is the creator, in his own words God is “everything” but he doesn’t even know what that means.

Moses called them out for “cultivating ingratitude, cultivating craving, desire…” 👀 imagining they need some thing they do not have… lusting instead of appreciating what they DO have. SOLUTION: 🐝 GRATEFUL ❤️the life you have. (If unable then ya got changes to make) Great discussion, thank you🦋❤️✨🙌🌎✌️

I really like this round table style of discussion.

What the "craving" passage really means is that it gives you the ability to abuse anyone you want to under the guise that "he/she or you crave" there buy now you can torture malign or persecute anyone you choose. He is saying you must avoid judgment by yourself or your associates of those who "crave" for it is the nature of humans to crave of that which has pleased them.

Thank God for Peterson and Co.

Gratitude and faith are linked like presumption and ingratitude are linked.

This is on point I love it

O.ygosh... I love how the Holy Spirit stirs up people all over the globe into one subject. There's such parallels to the Israelite Exodus and their mental enslavement and our current society. It's actually awesome. Not in a good way except that there will be subsequent heros that are born from this current spiritual and mental enslavement.

Every 4 posts you scroll on Facebook, you get a sponsored post, a lot of teens and adults spend all day on social media. Cultivating gratitude is all about where you put your attention, its building patterns of perspective.

I would pay a dollar and a dime to watch/listen this fine learned gentlemen discuss such topics

Gratitude emphasises your blessings.

That was very eye-opening.

Yeah a good point i had to chance to recognize clearly in the conversation is that we should use the memory of the past as something we use for being grateful about, the problem is using the memory of the past as something we long for, which is what leads to ungratefulness It is really hard for some people to understand the difference between both since they are really similar in use, but the reason of the use of the memory is completely different

Absolutely mind blowing

This is so good!

Awesome presentation

Such a great series

Wonderful conversar 🙂🌸

Depends on if you desire a fleeting feeling or if you desire a change to the status quo

You are appreciated.

What a conversation

I love the backdrop portal behind all the gentlemen. One side can be considered Chaos the other side Order. Jordan sits within the center contemplating what a thinking man would do when presented with a choice. 🤔

To sum it quickly don't be an asshole. It's simple. You can be the most intelligent person on earth if your mean and insufferable constantly saying your a victim then you will not be respected. There's no point in trying to better yourself if self discipline and forgiveness are not part of your goals.

great sneak peek!

"Desire" is the spirit of emotion, the essential motivational power of emotion; it is the steel of intention...that prevents you from being spit out of the mouth of God as "luke warm". But it's the function of emotion to mediate between mind and the physical body, so everything about the physical world is the earliest application of "desire". The struggle is the effort to free desire, from the bonds formed of the fascination we have for physicality, for the use of the mind in its development.

True, maybe there is a question to be asked about why the 'potential reward', for lack of a clearer definition, (extra food/meat) takes over our focus in comparison to the journey we have travelled (escaping slavery). As in, why do things end up presenting themselves as so valuable we can end up forgetting just how much we have already amassed, to the point where hell doesn't even seem hellish? Isn't there a seed, that is clearly so prevalent in humanity, from which this craving is cultivated? We reach a point, but it's never enough, and that's probably because we value growth more than attainment, and so maybe we should therefore take time to appreciate, truly, how much we have grown to stifle greed, that will definitely cost us.

It's a shame that Jordan interrupts Ben when he's explaining the meaning of Kibroth Hattaavah, 'The Graves of the Craving' at 1:30

Gratitude is divine

These are the smartest people on the planet Particularly Jorden Peterson

Thanks!

It's been really hard to have gratitude when every want and desire is at hand. I am trying to teach myself to be grateful for things. Imagine if tomorrow all I had was taken from me in a fire. I have thanked God and asked him to care for the things He has given me. The mindset we choose is what is really what is in our heart. My desire is to be with Jesus

Really appreciate the Jewish perspective, especially with their understanding of Hebrew.

Ingratitude begins with rewriting history. Ah.... Very important take away. ❤

thank you 💯...

Thank you! *tosses a comment to the algorithm*

I am a DW+ member, and absorbing these discussions among others Jordan, yet I grieve that you have not considered the significant flaws of Darwinian evolution and the reality of a divine six-day, literal six-day, Logos-led creative act. It could have been instant, or it could have been long ages, but it was six yom (the Hebrew) days confined by “morning and evening” the first day, second day (yom) up through six days. We might ask Why? He provides the answer in Exodus 20 (the model for us, work six days and rest one). Consider: our day, month and year are signaled in the astronomical universe (rotation, revolution), yet week, it comes from Genesis 1, and Exodus 20. A good little read: Men of Science, Men of God. Great places to visit, KY, USA, Creation Museum and Ark Encounter. There you will find serious men of science amid an attraction designed to the public, similarly to the Bible Museum in Washington DC. You found it more than expected. I am confident a visit to the Answers in Genesis Ark and Creation Museum would be eye-opening.

Just imagine that I went to talk to the bank manager and said that the mortgage was not paid or paid by bank transfer, the address was mistaken for the address of the old house

great discussion over a fictional book

this table is heavy with wisdom i'm surprised the table didn't start to crack 😳

Great, deep, Thoth provoking insights.

How true!

"Freedom, taken for granted because we don't know what oppression means." ANTHRAX

God moves us in times of great injustice, through the desert & it is gratitude (rightly ordered) that frees us to bring Christ/Truth back into civilization to shine forth. True freedom is found in the congruence of our actions with natural law & divine law. The very lessons taught in the desert & heeded just as predicted 😂 we are a feckless lot.

The problem of desire is the trade of the mimic. When Moses came down with the tablets they were predestined by way of the religion of person as product and product as person to be rejected just as they were predestined by God to be accepted and to be delivered. The divine vs the human. They craved the religion of person as product and product as person of the mimic; whose seeds were planted in the gifts they received from the Egyptians as they left Egypt..from which they built the golden calf. I understand for the first time why God told them to wipe out every person/ pagan in the promised land of the pagan mimic. It was because the Israelites will still carrying the seeds of the desire to mimic as opposed from following what was considered as the mundane in faith and reason. That’s why the people chose Saul over God because they wanted to be like the nations around them so God needed to give Saul a new heart. This came forward with the Jews with this history of the failure represented by the narrow excesses of the strength (Sampson) heart (David) the mind (Solomon) and the soul (the still small voice through to the Essenes.) That’s why Jesus who curses the vine/fig tree (sign of wisdom)..in doing so he triumphs in all these areas in the desert (heart, mind, strength) 40 days and finally Jesus triumphs in the soul in the Garden of Gesthemane when he is abandoned. The Jews reject the very Jewish Messiah that triumphed over all because they want to mimic rather than serve God and they have created a whole industry of Pay to Play Get Paid to Play and Reward for Ruin of the mimic around it with their Irish Catholic partners. Moses was not allowed to enter the promised land because in getting angry and striking the stone instead of speaking to it he had become what the people were. Being angry while being provided for because they wanted to live lives of a pagan templated mimic was Moses ring like them..not leading the people but becoming like them. Part of the religion of person as product and product as person like the rest was not consistent with the command to wipe out all the mimmickers in the Promised land. Jehovah Jeriah my provider his grace is sufficient for me.

This is a good thought to help you with an addiction because if we can create a mindset of craving, can we create a mindset of uncraving. Maybe that starts with gratitude. I'm grateful I'm sober today or I'm grateful I'm ?? , I think it's a good place to start

It is true that Passover is the remembrance of the Exodus, but it is also the Spring celebration. The holiday of Booths is a remembrance of God sheltering Israelite in the desert but also the Fall festival.

this clip raises the question... Why did the Jews want out of Egypt? Was it because they knew of the promise that God had for them. The promise that they heard about from their fathers and grandfathers. Or did they just want to be free from the chains? Or did they want to be out of bondage? The significance of the answer to this question is found when Joshua and Caleb returned and proved the promise, but the people didn't see the grapes...they saw the giants. This concludes that the people only wanted freedom from Egypt and not the promise of God.

Does Dr. Hedley do voice acting on the side? Sounds straight out of an epic movie

Suffering is not a natural part of life. Only humans suffer because we have a special gift we haven’t master yet. So in the struggling of accumulating experiences in order to gain full understand of our gift, we tend to make silly conclusions and with that create suffering out of ignorance and frustration. But, ultimately, we overcome, rise and conquer our heritage. Then we are now the gods we always meant to become. Actually, Life is pure eternal ecstasy!

My mom made my brother hotbox a pack of Marlboro menthols when he got caught smoking. That was 25 years ago...he smokes two packs of Marlboro Reds a day now.

It’ll be nice to have Voddie Baucham ,Sinclair Ferguson, john Piper, Dustin benge, at least 1 of them to be apart of these with JBP

When we cancel culture we forget about gratitude; there are lessons in history. Cultivating faith is a stronghold for courage and survival, worthy of practice.

We've got to get Scott Hahn and Brant Pitre on Peterson's podcast

We don't always choose out desires. Our desires choose us.

How humbling, how they seek eachothers eyes... ☦️

Cultivating a sense of not-enough. It begs the idea of lack of self-belief and eventually lack of self esteem or self confidence. The more you create a craving for something way out of your reach, maybe you had every right. But doesn't it create a bigger gap on what you have,or and manage to have and what you crave for? Yes to gratitude.

It's much easier to have gratitude when you have good quality of life. In a country that 50% of it's people don't have savings they can rely on in case of an emergency, it's either ignorant or flat out immoral to expect people to be grateful. These modern high priest are completely detached from the average person's suffering.

It's an intriguing concept to elicit gratitude from perceived injustices of the past. I'm black and I have been thinking about this very thing as it relates to slavery. Only the strongest slaves survived which may be why I have fantastic genetics. I have been contemplating this thought; what if instead of bemoaning the injustices of slavery, black people said "thank you slave owners," then took our genetic gifts and took on the task we could barely lift to improve the world. What if? 🤔

The 48 laws of power rule #36: If there is something you want but can't have... SHOW SOME CONTEMPT TOWARDS IT!

Meeting of the minds.

I've noticed what I do over and over I cultivate a craving for later. Gotta stop putting light cream on my cereal.