"It is not the eyes that are blind, but the hearts"

Jesus is Lord.

He really tried to tell JP he was smarter at 13!!😂😂😂

the fact that they run an ad for a Bible study tool in the middle of an interview with someone trying to spread Islam brings me a special kind of joy

amazing to see a rational and intelligent man say he doesn't want to be rational when talking about God

Jordan trying to understand, the other guy trying to convert, huge difference

Jordan said on Piers Morgan when asked - "By their fruits you will know them. Matthew 7:16"

3:00 rationality should be subordinate to something above it. 3:29 ad start 4:55 ad end

This man basically said "how can you believe a contradiction, it's offensive to all logic?" his reply was "How can you believe something is all powerful and judge it by your human standards?"😂

Everyone here loves Jordan’s curiosity and patience but ignore his clear double standards.

Jesus son of Mary peace be upon him cannot be God for many reasons like: 1- he said “the father is greater than I” and God must be the greatest. 2- he said “out of my own self I can do nothing” and God must be able to do anything without help. 3- he said “about this day no one has knowledge except the father, not the son nor the angels, only the father” and God must be the All-knowing 4- He prayed to the father, and God doesn’t pray but is prayed to. 5- he never said that he is God or worship me. While in. Christianity believing in his divinity is a condition for getting saved so how come never guided people to it

Apostle Paul wrote 1 Timothy 3:16 1 Timothy 3:16 (ACV) And without controversy great is the mystery of piety. God was manifested in flesh, justified in spirit, seen by heavenly agents, proclaimed among nations, believed in the world, taken up in glory. Apostle Paul wrote here that Jesus was God manifested in human flesh, this was what Paul believed. This dual nature is a mystery and difficult to comprehend. An analogy to help us understand is a 3 dimensional object we know can also manifest itself in two or one dimension, without sacrificing or diminishing its 3 dimensional properties. Jesus while human remain as God and in full connection to God the Father. Yes His human body limit the full expression of God, but that does not make Him less of God. He need to manifest in human form so humans can relate to Him, In the same way a 3 dimensional creature shows itself in two dimensions so that two dimensional creatures can relate to it. He also need to be human to offer Himself as perfect sacrifice for humanity's sins. The dual nature of Jesus is reason why in the Bible Jesus is sometimes refer as the Son of God, (Luke 1:35, Matthew 3:17, John 5:26) and sometimes as the Son of Man. (Acts 7:56, Matthew 8:20, Matthew 20:28). 1 Timothy 6:16 tells us God the Father was invisible, but God the Son was made visible as written by same author Apostle Paul in Colossian 1:15-17 Colossians 1:15-17 (ACV) who is an image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. Because in him all things were created, things in the heavens and things upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or lordships or principal offices or positions of authority, all things have been created And he is before all, and in him all things hold together. Jesus told the Jews He and the Father are one, when the Jews heard this they wanted to stone Him because they understood He was saying He is of same essence as God John 10:30-33 (ACV) I and the Father are one. Therefore again the Jews took up stones so that they might stone him. Jesus answered them, I have shown you many good works from my Father. Because of them, which work do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, We stone thee not about a good work, but about blasphemy, and because thou, being a man, make thyself God. When Jesus died, His human nature died , but He remains as Son of God, the Trinity can never be broken. Just as we cannot remove the division of time, the past, present and future existed as one harmonious entity When Paul asked the pagans to turn from worthless idols to the One true and living God (Acts 14:14-15), it is because in the Old testament Paul learned that God created everything, we are to worship the One Creator not worship the creations,though creation sometimes reflect the nature of God. Genesis 1:26 (ACV) And God said, Let us (plural) make man in our (plural) image--after our(plural) likeness--and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that But interesting during creation God refers to Himself in plural in Gen 1:26, suggesting there is more than one Person involved in creation. Which means God is One yet three Persons. We can try to understand concept of Trinity when we look at the characteristic of time:the past is distinct from the present, which is distinct from the future. Each is simultaneous, yet they are not three ‘times’ but one. All three aspect of time all share the same nature: time. So each division of time is interdependent of each other. Time shows the concept of the Trinity is not self contradictory . The past always come before the present and future , each division of time play different roles or functions , but same essence with each other . The Time dimension is a reflection of the Creator, who is One true God with 3 persons : Father, Son and Holy Spirit interdependent of each other, yet same essence. The Bible describes God as existing since eternality, past, present, future, neverending from past to future : Revelation 1:8 (ACV) I am the Alpha and the Omega, says Lord, the God who is (present) and who was(past) and who is coming (future) , the Almighty. Jesus is Son of God, He fulfills the role of the Son, that is why in 1 Corinthians 11:3 He is under the Father. The Father cannot be under or lower than the Son, that will not make sense. Just as in the time dimension , the present cannot come before the past, that will not make sense. By definition the present has to be after the past, and by definition the Son has to be below and lesser than the Father. Although in terms of role the Son is under the Father, but the Son of God is still God, , He existed eternally as Son of God, that is why Jesus told the Jews before Abraham was, He exists , which the Jews again wanted to stone Him for saying this. John 8:57-59 (ACV) The Jews therefore said to him, Thou have not yet fifty years, and thou have seen Abraham? Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham came to be, I am. Therefore they took up stones so that they might throw at him, but Jesus was hid, and went out of the temple, having passed through the midst of them, and thus passed on. Another verse says Jesus shared glory with the Father before creation: John 17:4-5 (ACV) I glorified thee on the earth. I finished the work which thou have given me that I should do. And now, Father, glorify thou me with thyself with the glory that I had with thee before the world was. This verse suggest Jesus was with God before creation so He is not created And the Father initiated salvation by giving the Son to sinners, that they may be forgiven and have everlasting life. The Holy Spirit who is God also (Acts 5:3-4) does the work of giving understanding to the scripture and transforming people. John 3:16-18 (ACV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, so that every man who believes in him would not perish, but have eternal life. For God sent the Son into the world not that he might condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him. He who believes in him is not condemned. He who does not believe has been condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

How Jordan is able to be patient with some people who are so condescending is admirable.

The reason you can tell Jordan is incredibly intelligent while everyone is mocking him is that he’s the only one that assumed that God would be a being that we cannot possibly comprehend in fullness, therefore we also cannot possibly rationalize him by any human method. Science is simply insufficient to explain God, because it’s a flawed system produced by comparably far lesser beings. Edit: Moreover, if we could fully understand God, than He truly would not be God.

I love how Jordan explores and explains Christ and Hijab doesn’t even notice that Jordan is talking about Christ’s divinity. Yeah… yeah… yeah… 😂

Peterson also wisely point out the essence of faith: "I don't want to be a rational actor... because rationality should be subordinate to something above it" Hebrew 11:1 - Now faith is being sure of what we hope for (The thing we pray in the accordance to the will of God) and certain of what we do not see (what we can comprehend by the eyes and by any reasoning or logic)

Beware of those that claim to know it 'all' ...

Jordan Peterson successfully make trinity more complicated and beyond understanding.😊

One must ask themselves. Do you have a body? Do you have a spirit that is separate from your body? Do you have a soul/mind? Is that separate from your body and spirit? If you said yes, then you have three aspects to yourself that are all YOU, but all separate.

Also I completely understand that it is hard to communicate through words on a screen because you can't hear my tone, see my face, or my eyes. It is coming out of a place of love. If you see it from my perspective, I am not doing it because I want to judge, it is because I believe in what the Bible says in how to get into Heaven, and I want people to get into Heaven. From my perspective, if I see someone's house on fire, do I come in quietly and respectfully saying they can stay in the house if they want to, or do I speak with conviction? Much love to you, hope we can meet in person one day and you can see how calm I am, I Wish you the best, no matter who you are.

Mohammad: makes a series of logical points, with evidence and context Jordan: im not interested in that, let me ask u something instead Comments: omg jordan ur so smart

I have always had difficulty wrapping my head around the concept of the Trinity. When reading c.s. Lewis, I discovered that he also struggled with the concept. He wrote that the Trinity might be thought of as a kin to "time". That is, consider that the concept of time is made up of past, present and future but it is all part of one thing (ie time). Human language and human minds may not be equipped to fully grasp some Divine concepts but only strong and perceptive enough to recognize that they do exist.

The recent discoveries in science have revealed that at the quantum level, the known laws of science and physics don't operate anymore. As the scientists study more, they realize how little they know about it and every discovery raises more questions than answers. Consider the following: i. Light can exist as a particle and wave(Two things entirely different)at the same time. ii. At the quantum level, the same sub atomic particle can exist in two places at the same time and communicate between themselves, even if separated by a huge distance. How is it possible? No one knows. My question is: a) If a beam of light can have dual nature, is it possible for it's creator to have a dual nature- God and human? b) If a tiny sub atomic particle can exist in two places at the same time,is it possible for its creator to exist as Father, son and the Holy Spirit? c) If our scientists are unable to fully comprehend the tiny sub atomic particle, will it ever be possible for the humans to fully comprehend God?

I’ve done my homework, I read every-fin. “Do you still feel vat way?” “No, I was 13 at the time” 😂😂😂😂🤦‍♂️

The aggression in the cleric is so profound and Jordan so humbly and graciously answers as only he can!

Revelation 1:17-18 “When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.“

Since the beginning of Christianity there were groups who debated about whether Jesus was the same as God, was the son of God, or just a man. Those who believed he was just a man were groups as early as the Ebionites as well as the early Christian Gnostics. But after the council of Nicaea in 325 AD (which convened of the first place because of what Aryan Christianity said about Jesus) they concluded that Jesus was just as divine as God and because their organization had bishops in strong places the faction that was created after the council won out

Its not the season for figs is a symbolic understanding. The tree of knowledge of good and evil in early Jewish culture was considered to be a fig tree. Jesus curses the fig tree before entering Jerusalem for the last time and going to his victorious death. Hence "not the season for figs" means not the season for sin, sin is defeated and destroyed by Christ.

If Jesus never claimed to be God, then why did the Jews say he was committing blasphemy for claiming to be God. Jesus once said, "Before Abraham was, I Am." And the Jews wanted to stone him for that.

I thought I understood English, until I hear Jordan Peterson speak

Mr. Jordan, I want to say this as a sister in Christ with the Love of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, Keep speaking as a man who speaks for God. I'm reminded of the words of our Lord Jesus, Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

As a lifelong Christian who has done a fairly decent amount of due diligence in understanding other worldviews and philosophies, of all the "confusing" aspect of Christianity, the idea of the Trinity has never been one for me. Feels strange to say.

"Do not debate with the people of the Book unless it is in the best manner, except with those of them who commit injustice. And say, “We believe in what is sent down to us and sent down to you, and our God and your God is One, and to Him we submit (ourselves).” (Al-Ankabut-46)

no yelling, no mocking. everything delivered peacefully and full of respect towards each other.

I also never understood the trinity. It makes no sense and indeed creates cognitive dissonance (and i grew up in a christian country with one parent being christian)

"Rationality should be sub-ordinated to something above it" is one of the most greatest quotes from JP ever

islam speaks of respect for Christianity but among themselves they call it blasphemy

This is a discussion between an intellectual humble enough to explore truth and an ignoramus who thinks he's got it all figured out and seems certain of his position.

When looking at a clover would you say the clover is 3 different flowers? Or one flower with three leaves?

Currently reading 1 Corinthians and the first 2 chapters echo that wisdom of God is foolishness to the ones perceived to be wise by others. And that God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wisdom of man. It literally blows my mind how intentional God was about that. And I am in awe of His Wisdom 🙌🏿

This is the first time I saw a Muslim and Christian debate without screaming cursing and mocking... fight by knowledge and believe... truly magnificent of debate it is..

The mystery of God is that He hides in plain sight, insomuch that we miss Him because of how simple He presents Himself.

It is so strange that Muslims get tripped up on the trinity. Wouldn’t you EXPECT the God and Creator of the universe to have an almost inconceivable nature? It’s more unusual to think his nature/being would be so containable, definable, and simple for the human mind to understand. (The Orthodox Church recognizes we cannot know the essence of God, but we can know his energies)

Space and time seem to be different things, yet they form one thing: spacetime. If physicists can deal with that mystery, we can deal with the mystery of the Trinity.

When do we get to see you tell him Muhammad is not a prophet according to Christianity?

Jesus Christ is unconditional love ❤

When I pray I pray to God, who is my father. I can feel Him even though He isn’t speaking directly to me in the way that my parents speak with me. Jesus Christ is God’s son. In the Bible it’s recorded that God spoke of Jesus Christ, God’s son, in whom “I am well pleased.” These are two distinct and separate individuals and I can feel that. So, we keep learning and growing. We need to be patient with one another because there are so many beliefs out there. One day we’re going to see it all for ourselves &, like the disciple Thomas, we’ll have our proof. Until then, we walk by faith.

So he's pretty much saying he turns off his rational thought process when he is accepting Christ as savior. But that way of thinking is faulty because any top notch scientific person could uses logic throughout his works and jobs and life but because his parents told him to be Buddhist or Hindu or Jew he will accept it by turning off his rational thinking. It pretty much becomes to each their own then. Hindu can say the same for his defense. Buddhist can say the same for his defense. Jew can say the same for his defense.

Mohammad: makes a series of logical points, with evidence and context Jordan: im not interested in that, let me ask u something instead Comments: omg jordan ur so smart Yall are sheep😂

What’s so sad is …. Such a highly revered religion like Islam is spearheaded by a book that spends sooooo much time trying to dispel other religions instead of focusing on truth, while the Bible focuses on itself and the person reading LIKE A RELATIONSHIPS vs propaganda 😅

Mutual Enlightment ist the Keyword here: From an abstract perspektive one was able to observe until now, that different groups share different opinions on which life guide advice giver book is the truth. if group A says to group B that they must be wrong it seems counter productive to mutual enlightment. maybe if you stick together you can find the answer between it somewhere in the future.

This is another example of talking a lot without saying anything and successfully evading the argument.

Jordan took a lot of words to reply, "You're nitpicking the details instead of trying to understand the meaning. And your inability to not nitpick- your own narrow focus on the trees instead of the forest- isn't the Bible's fault.'

If the Jewish criteria for the messiah don't matter, why do the Jewish prophecies about the messiah matter? Isn't the fulfillment of those prophecies just another piece of Jewish criteria to be the messiah?

I love Peterson's humble curiosity and his ability to turn a debate into a real conversation. It is a skill I would like to develop myself.

All you need to do to defeat a muslim is "be real"

I think Jordan said something so profound that in their conversation, it had ebbs and flows, of wandering mind or when they really have interest, and that being where true bi-directional logos is at its peak. Then the compared that to Christ. Christ has logos with the Father, uninterrupted, no ebbs and flows. Constant straight communion with the Father. No disunity. Yo, that’s mad profound. Sometimes Jordan speaks in a way that misses you, but this- beautiful

Has anyone else noticed Hijab's demeanor? My respect for Peterson just doubled. To bring a fundamentalist to a level of a nervous but polite human requires something special. Peterson commanded respect. It's amazing.

Jesus is Lord & EVERY knee shall bow before him, Every Tongue will confess Jesus is Lord.

While St Augustine was working on his book "On the Trinity", he was walking by the seaside one day, meditating on the difficult problem of how God could be three Persons at once. He came upon a little child. The child had dug a little hole in the sand, and with a small spoon or seashell was scooping water from the sea into the small hole. Augustine watched him for a while and finally asked the child what he was doing. The child answered that he would scoop all the water from the sea and pour it into the little hole in the sand. ‘What?’ Augustine said. ‘That is impossible. Obviously, the sea is too large and the hole too small.’ ‘Indeed,’ said the child, ‘but I will sooner draw all the water from the sea and empty it into this hole than you will succeed in penetrating the mystery of the Holy Trinity with your limited understanding.’ Augustine turned away in amazement and when he looked back the child had disappeared.

Basically, jordan peterson said : my God is not logical, and we shouldn't apply the laws of logic when it comes to God . That's philosophically sad .

“Is ANYTHING impossible for God?” - Nope. He is omniscient, omnipotent, an omnipresent.

“Only by being both deity and humanity could Jesus Christ bridge the gap between where God is.” - David Jeremiah

I don't even understand what Peterson is saying, anyway Jesus felt on his face and prayed to God Mattew ch26 v39, He will also have to dye. God is not the author of confusion. All other prophets thought us the worship of the unseen God. How comes all of a sudden God jumps on earth in a weak form and tries to confuse the world and will roam about the bush when he has to clarify everything. And they claim if we don't believe that we will go to hell. Just imagine people going to hell because they used their common sense and didn't believe that Jesus is God. Only wicked people will believe that true, surly because if you are considerate you will disbelieve all the confusion.

The Father The Son The Holy Spirit. They are One. 💯

Hugh Ross actually gives a really compelling explanation for this. Of course it has to deal with science the mainstream isn't really familiar with regarding how dimensions work and what it would mean for a higher dimensional being to enter a lower one. This is especially complicated if we consider that all space, matter and time is created by this Being who by definition is outside of it. The fact that we currently exist inside of this constructed universe thus restricts our understanding of anything outside of space matter and time.

If Jordan Peterson can be quoted to when he was 13, anyone can.

'If there had been more than one all-powerful being, they would have competed.' I feel like that's just us combattive humans projecting our own flaws onto all-powerful beings. This is one of those religious arguments that boil down to, 'I cannot comprehend how this could work, therefore an all-knowing supernatural being couldn't either.' It's so arrogant. It's a failure of your own imagination, not an argument against something so much bigger than you.

Paterson is incredibly intelligent, i am speechless when he is talking

Mohammed Hijab never more clearly demonstrates then he does here just how intellectually marginalized he is , just listen to him in the background chattering like a bird while Jordan is trying to talk to him. You can tell Mohammed Hijab is not really listening he is just waiting to insert his counter narrative regardless if Jordans words undermine Mohammed Hijabs fixed narrative. That's why at timestamp 7:45 Jordan cleverly snaps Mohammed Hijab out of his frantic need to talk over everyone in the room and says hey Mohammed Hijab I can see and hear you are not even hearing me speak to you wake up, shut you minds mouth off, and for once in your life try to hear another persons words entering your head. Mohammed Hijab is not worthy of Jordans time and tolerance, he is too fueled with hatred.

I think it comes down to this: Either we take Moral Authority, and give the responsibility of defining it to a living, breathing, easily fallible, easily misguided, easily mistaken, easily bought, untrustworthy, easily imperfect Man or Women. And simply trust they’ll get it “right”. OR, we decide to give that responsibility and recognition to…. Something “higher”, or “greater” than anyone man or women. I for one choose the second option. I choose to believe, so to speak, in a higher power. And the higher power provided to me by the culture i currently inhabit and have been influenced by has been Jesus Christ. I choose to accept jesus, because i have more trust in him, than i do the man or women attempting to take me away from him. And i accept the irrational, sometimes contradictory nature of believing in a higher power. Because ultimately, i believe all the religions are describing the same thing. Just in differing terms. ❤🙏🏼✝️🤷‍♂️

Only God opens or closes the eyes/mind/hearts as He chooses. Some cannot understand.

One of the scribes came near and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, he asked him, "Which commandment is the first of all?" Jesus answered, "The first is, 'Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God, the Lord is one; you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' The second is this, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these." - Mark 12:28-31

Men trying to reason with human understanding, is like trying to put God is a box. God still speaks to us through His words and the possession of the Holy Spirit, reach out to God, today! ♥️let go of your understanding, surrender to God and he will gift you with divine knowledge! “Seek and you will find” 💕

If you could understand God, He would not be God. -St.Augustine

Good for Jordan on staying calm! This is guy is showing he’s not the expert to be discussing this topic with. He’s close minded and rigid in his thinking.

The traditional Christian teaching that God is three persons in one God, and even more to call the three persons "God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit" has led to some of the confusion we see today. This starts, like all the great Christian misrenderings not clarified and not explained, from the overwhelming dominance of the "Catholic matrix". The concept of the Trinity was created by gentiles who could not understand the Jewish mentality (Jesus himself, the apostles, the authors of the New Testament and many of the early Christians were of Jewish origin, not to be forgotten). If someone asks is Jesus God? Obviously, such a question cannot be answered directly with a yes or no. First: does the question refer to whether Jesus is the only God who created everything? Or if Jesus is God for us Christians? And here comes the answer: to understand this, it is the same as considering when someone speaks and you hear his voice and you know it is your friend "Nelson", is the voice Nelson? or does it have distinctive qualities of Nelson? Obviously the voice itself is not Nelson, but comes from him and therefore has all his attributes, and his identity. With God and Jesus it is the same: Jesus is the word of God (John 1:1), and therefore has all the attributes and all the identity of God, but the God who created everything and who is unique is God, which is where Jesus came from; that is why Jesus is also the only begotten Son of God. So answering the questions "Is Jesus that one God who created everything?" no, "Is Jesus God to Christians?" Yes and obviously yes, since He comes from God and is the expression of God Himself, He is the way to Him and has His authority; therefore for us Christians Jesus is God. So also with so many passages of the Old Testament in which God speaks and says that He is going to do this or that, and then that same thing is fulfilled in Jesus in the New Testament. It was the voice of God speaking, which is Jesus. Something similar occurs with the Holy Spirit: when God created the first man, Adam, and breathed into him the breath of life (which was not yet the Holy Spirit of God, but serves as an explanation), that breath of life that God breathed in Adam, was it God? no, but coming from God he had the qualities of God and the identity of God; Well, the same thing happens with the Holy Spirit: that Holy Spirit given to Christians, is it by itself that God who created everything? no; for us Christians, is that Holy Spirit God? Yes, since it comes from God, it has the identity of God, and it is part of God. But of course instead of explaining all this as they should, no, the Catholic Church directly and wildly said "God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit", NO, things need to be explained. As from a teacher to his student, that is what it means to be a church, according to 1 Corinthians 14:34–35 (meaning that men did ask and the pastor or presbyter taught; it was in each Christian family home: Romans 16:5; 1 Corinthians 16:19; Colossians 4:15; Philemon 2). In a few words: the Son of God, Word of God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are both direct representatives of God who share in the divine essence, although not being God himself. But because of that, the two are like God for us Christians. Note: 1 John 5:7 was not in the original New Testament manuscripts, it was added later: "For there are three who bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one" That can be found in a Google search that was like this. It is held by all theologians and biblical scholars. The commandment by Jesus: "Go to all the world and reach to every creature baptizing them in the name of the father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit is only based on what was explained before. He was assuring his apostles that He, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are the 2 who have God's essence and are, therefore, direct representatives of God. Also to keep in mind, and as I always say it is necessary to consider the culture in Therefore, we Christians DO BELIEVE IN 1 GOD. Follow my Quora: Gabriel Kerreta

It is easier to understand the trinity when you understand the “why?”. According to the Christian Bible, why did Jesus have to live life as a human being if he is God.? What about the prophecy by the prophet Isaiah that “The Lord himself shall give you a sign: Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call his name Immanuel (which means “God with us”)? Here it is saying that God is giving you a sign through the virgin birth, yet the one who is born will be called God as well. But the distinction is that he is with us

I don't follow his argument personally. It seems to be based on the premise of being able to quantify God and put him in a category ... That's not the God I worship.

"Rationale should be subordinate to something above it and I'm trying to subordinate myself to that." -Jordan Peterson What a great quote.

"Rationality should be subordinated to something above it" - This is a brilliant quote. This is true not only for a good Christian, but a good Muslim also. As much as I respect Hijab, he's doing a disservice to Islam here, he's actively trying to exploit the gap of understanding, make it larger to show that he's on the right side. Applying the rationality arguement to a debate about religious doctrine is actually irrational. That arguement all about ego, you achieve nothing with that, even if your goal is not to find a common ground, but to "convert", that's still the wrong move.

Reason doesn't exist when stupidity overcomes it. people need to be less proud to understand that there is only one God, one Messiah, and one Spirit of truth and wisdom.

It always amazes me how people think they're supposed to understand God before they'll believe. Men and women barely understand each other, but we try to wrap our head around the infinite. It's actually illogical to think God can be figured out...

All Glory be to the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.✝️

his first argument talks about how the holy trinity or to him 'father and son' would be competing against one another for power. Why can control of power not be shared between several beings that work together? similar to how Muslim culture believes that the world needs to all convert and be under one power or god. His ideology is frightening in terms of the future of the world.

The muslim was lost lol. Jordan was sitting and laughing at the dude when they drove away. Jordan read the quran, and he said it was fake a joke, and any intellectual could see it.

I like the part where he replied to his arguments

"the infinite descending to the finite to illuminate us" that's a pretty good summary of the Trinity and God as the son of man

Who are we to tell God who he is, when he told us who he is...

It saddens me that when jesus in the bible is praying to the god father and in another verse and i quote "so that they may know you, the only true god, and jesus christ whom you have sent" that they still believe in christianity. Even google up how old Ahaziah was when he ruled in Jerusalem, same book but 2 different ages. How did judas die? Did he hang himself or did he die falling headlong and his entrails gushed out. A book filled with contradictions yet some people still put their faith in it. This may be a sign to warn you as the day of judgement is getting closer. May Allah guide us all

I guess He was just kidding when He stated, ‘I and the Father are One’. 😂

"rationality must be subordinate to something above itself." Well said. It presumably more-so needs a plumb line. If truth and true rationality walk hand in hand

In the Quran it is mensioning the Injil "bible" mentioning the Tewtrat Zebur, Bible is writed after 100 year Hz. Isa "Jesus" passed... Cruel people from the Jews and the Roman's wanted to kill Hz. Isa that Allah "God" sended Isa to guidance as the people to life in the right way and with justice with honor and goodness, but the leader's King's Politic's powerful people in that time didn't like that fairness didnt like that justice of "god" than they committed to kill Hz. Isa and manipulate the real Injil "bible" for their own personal profits.....

These two men embody two spiritual traditions. One of them is so superior, so much more mature... It's not about rational data, it's about people living their lives everyday. Style of living in the deepest sense.

This is the 2nd time Jordan has been greeted with arrogance when he's trying to discuss with a scholar on Islam.

Some people can use astoundingly intellectual explanations to arrive at ridiculously unintellectual conclusions

An incomprehensible being cannot be comprehended. Hence the need for a comprehensible “version/form” of God: Jesus Christ.

"Proof from Bible Jesus is not God': How can God say this? *“I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.”* (John 5:30) *Also Jesus said, “...for my Father is greater than I.”* (John 14:28) If Jesus and God were the same then he would not have said what he said in the above verses. There is NOT a single verse in the complete Bible, where Jesus Christ himself says "I am God" or "Worship me." *“And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is God.”* (Mark 10:18). *Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord.* (Mark 12:29) *Jesus declared, “I am truly a servant of Allah. He has destined me to be given the Scripture and to be a prophet.* Qur’an 19:30 [Jesus said], *“And indeed, Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is a straight path.”* Qur’an 19:36

K but the timing of the transition to the Hallow app ad had me laughing 😂

Jordan is so cool at dealing with topics that Hijab wanted to bring that are outside the context of this discussion. Jordan knowns that Hijab is not doing this debate in good faith of each other Hijab will never understand how he lost the debate.