It’s not about how you start the race it’s how you finish🤝

I think changing your perception of the beginning is an important part of changing the ending...

Isn't this the exact same meaning as the old Chinese proverb: “The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is now.”

@@axel_r_ Chinese are atheist communists

@@axel_r_ so sorry i dint read or follow chinese proverbs Only the Words Proverbs 1:1-end

Hmmm. Wow. Amazing. That's it. Spot on. Praying Jordan will come to understand what he's struggling with so much.

What does this even mean? And is this what the biblical authors actually meant?

@@emmashalliker6862 As far as I understand the new testament, yes. The eternal truth became a man, has been tempted like a man, then he offered himself as a perfect sacrifice for sin. Sin has never been forgiven through other sacrifices. Hebrews 10:4

Spot on!!

I think if Jordan could see the basic complementarity of free, creative Mind and deterministic, created matter -- making matter a mediation of narrative, --he would come even closer to the Catholic tradition.

Beautiful comment.

Awesome!

This just touched me. Your prayer is beautiful

God bless you in your path. We all pray for him. His health and his faith. For his whole family. We pray for all those lost in the darkness of the left and hope they find their way.

That is so sweet to hear.

Amazing! John 11:25-26 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

That's great

God bless you

Me too ..

Wow! Same here!!! So cool to find someone else that responded the same way to this video. Especially when he tears up talking about the objective world and the narrative world coming together in Christ.

Which book is that in?

@@julieelizabeth4856 'Mere Chirstianity' by C.S. Lewis - a great book

@@celebrantsamgoodchild9314 Thanks!

Love that quote!

great quote

Sorry we lost another rational person to mythology

@@tradingwithwill7214 I am agnostic, but for me, Chistanity makes a lot more sense than Atheism.

Great to hear. Peace and love to you, brother.

Welcome back brother. Heaven rejoiced over this and so do I.

@@mr.jodaniels4156 Making "sense" is irrelevant in what is true, provable, and factual.

ΙΧΝ☦️

Incredible!

Mine same! ☦️

Something similar happened to me over the course of 4 years since his Bible lectures! Glad to have returned to Christ and his church, and for Dr. Peterson to have helped my journey back : D

how did all of your family get baptized at the same time when it's each an individual journey? Christ first, then symbolistic ritual. Baptism doesn't save.

I think you nailed it! His spiritual side is winning, though.

@@curtismrasmussen Agreed.

Well said. .

He will have to reject Darwin

@@andyisdead Why would you even say something like that? Because in your mind it is so? There's many paths to faith and most people don't even seek one. Jordan is taking baby steps in the right direction, don't start dictating you're personal beliefs. Instead of encouragement, you through rocks on the road.

Christ is pursuing him, like He pursued C.S. Lewis.

@@orthodoxnet9677 I can see it!!! I can actually see it happening!! How wonderfull!

Now I can’t get that Little Richard song out of my head 😂

@@orthodoxnet9677 If JP takes the plunge, look out. Willing to bet there’s a lot of people on the fence who respect JP tremendously and know how long he’s struggled with and thoughtfully/meticulously considered all these questions. He’s the canary in the Heavenly coal mine...aka one of the Saints God calls up during times of great trial and tribulation in the world. People follow a strong and benevolent leader anywhere they go. Pray for him!

​@@VangelisFilms Many Orthodox Christians are praying for him! God works in mysterious ways and His Holy Spirit continues to illumine the hearts, minds, and souls of all those who seek the Truth (Christ).

Oh God bless you🙏💒❤

Praying for you now. May you feel the presence of Christ as you walk through this dark valley. Thankful for the hope that you have a reunion with your son one day.

I'm very sorry I pray God will comfort you.

Praying for you in Jesus name, Rosie. Only Jesus knows and understands, only him. "For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall inherit eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day." John 6:40

Im so sorry for your loss. Two years ago i was able to save my son when he tried to take his life, he was in ICU for 3 days, what hurt me was how angry he got that i saved him. Now i am continually scared that i wont be there if he tries again.

How? Sounds like a sad way to live.

@@rebelraccoon9018 Translate that to normal-person speak. It means "parental discipline encourages good and prosocial behavior".

@@rebelraccoon9018 fear as in reverence not terror.

@@rtendotapiwa306 Makes more sense.

@@rebelraccoon9018 kanye put it pretty well " you remove God, you remove the fear of God, you create the possibility of the fear of everything else. But watch this: If you instill the fear of God, you eliminate the fear of anything else."

He will bring Glory to The Father in his walk. I know he will 💙

Amen God would use Dr. Peterson in so many great way's. It's rare for highly brilliant minds to accept Jesus Christ as their Saviour. I'm praying for him and his family. Dr. Peterson could bring the spiritual to match the physical. I pray he will make the best decision he could ever make and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ! This is the Ladocia church and Jesus does not have one good thing to say about it. But God still has to save any one who believes Him. God is good all the way across the board.

@@seeinghearing4817 Amen he sure would.

@@Rest-in-JesusChrist7788 Why do you think it's so difficult for such a brilliant man to accept Jesus Christ. it's either he's not brilliant or Jesus is not the lord. Christians got the message wrong unfortunately. What AMAZED me lately i discovered that Jesus wasn't Christian but actually He was a Jew. THERE IS FUDEMINTALY SOMETHING WRONG WITH CHRISTIANTY.

@@az.84 Jesus Christ(ian) I said that because that's what the KJB says. It doesn't mean they won't get saved. You have to know that the Fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom and understanding. There's worldly wisdom and Godly wisdom as written in the KJB. Jesus Christ was sinless, perfect and holy while He was on the earth. The word "Christian" is in the KJB.

With all your heart it can't hurt take care

Yes, that is so true ❤️

Lose fear and just believe.

Amen!

@@LifewiththeBennettss Ego death (a requirement for repentance and true belief in Jesus) is a VERY scary thing.

That is awesome!! May the Lord bless you in your walk amen!

Thank you for that! That's really cool!

Keep it up

Beutiful

Welcome to the Communion of Saints, White Dove.

underappreciated comment!

This episode is the yin and the yang. The duality of tragedy and comedy that is the essence of existence.

@@Akirathedon92 oof. yes. this conversation itself is synchronistic in the Jungian sense. this is bleeding-edge thought concerning the world we've inherited.

I waded through hundreds of comments to find yours. Thank you.

Indeed, David... Jonathan as the one who embraces the divine mystery and Jordan as the one who is longing for it.

confusion is the beginning of wisdom - (variously ascribed)

Beautiful. I didn't know that story about Peterson. :) Is there a video for it?

More importantly, now is the time to ask Him "what is this about? with the heart of a child who trusts his daddy and expects his daddy will answer him. Both of you are so brilliant and wonderful I can't understand how you are floundering in the symbolism up to your eyeballs, which is a beautiful thing, but you don't see the pool of His love beckoning you receive His overwhelming redemption. Life changing overwhelming loving healing. A personal relationship with Him is the pearl of great price. Jesus paid the price for us because in spite of our potential to live from a higher spiritual level, very few can do what he taught us, even after all He did for us. I would suggest that you tell Him right now that you want to know if he is real. Tell him that you are going to seek him and you want to give Him your heart. Then ask Him your biggest question right now. Share with him your heart-felt thoughts. Let me know how many miles you have to walk with him before you couldn't live without him as your best friend. Read some Psalms if you don't remember why David was always getting by himself to know God. May God bless you 🙏. You are already healed in the name of Yeshua. The best is yet to come.

@@lisaswaboda3127 I believe it’s in one of his biblical lectures. Jordan has said he’s not sure what to make of it. As an outsider looking in, I believe he’s fighting that epic battle now, with the world as witness (represented by the Colosseum). I feel Jordan does not want to accept his responsibility (burden), that he is the Truth and Light (Good), our Champion. The Devil (Evil) is on the move in our world, arguably, like never before in the history of mankind. I believe the pain he is suffering is caused by the burden of such a responsibility, and maybe, his unwillingness to accept it. He is so close to touching the Truth, and like Christ, uniting the material and spiritual worlds... I pray he falls to his knees and accepts God’s Will.

@@lisaswaboda3127 it’s in his biblical series someehere. Can’t remember where

That's beautiful.

Unfortunately, he's overthinking it and torturing himself in the process. He is making himself ill.

@@lvrichardson7966 yep. I was an over thinker and still am in many ways. But I think to come to Christ one needs to let go of that habit, at least when it comes to this subject. We can never fully grasp God, and Jordan still appears to be able to expect to grasp Him. I’m glad I was able to let go and I hope he will manage to do the same - sooner rather than later.

@@adamzappia2213 I can relate to the over thinking, and you're right, we will never fully grasp God and trying to will drive one insane. His thoughts are greater than ours.

@@adamzappia2213 Absolutely! He's created in his mind a vision of God as an overwhelming force of morality (moral purity and judgement) that will overwhelm him if he were to surrender to the idea of it. God may very well be an overwhelming concept, but it's not necessary for mere mortals to know God in this way. That's reserved for our spirits when we die. Then we'll know God in his glory. Before that, enjoy the gift of your mortal existence while you can! I.e., enjoy the gift of life here and now. The rest will come in time.

Jordon, I'm so sorry you have been physically been suffering. I know the feeling. It makes life so miserable/difficult. Please look after yourself. Please. Although I find it beyond myself to believe in religion. I love to listen to your perspective on the world. Chronic pain, I've had for three years. It is hard to suffer. Without the sadness and anger. It saddens me, for you. It saddens me for me. Life is truly unfair.

This is exactly what I thought of when watching Jordan in this interview. May the grace of the Lord bring it to pass in Jordan's life. It is portrayed beautifully in the new film with Max McLean, The Most Reluctant Convert.

My whole self is working full time to keep me from turning over my life. Very frustrating when I know this is exactly what is required. Illness is a distraction, keeping us absorbed in our self. Just like our thoughts. Like trying to describe our interpretation of “reality”. Until we turn it all over to God. How can something so simple be so difficult?

@@michaelg1569 can you give Him one moment, this very moment?

Amen

It really is!! God be praised 🙌

Even angels desire to look upon it!

Isn't it? I'm grinning throughout the whole interview!!

Please study Islam because it is very logical

Amen

Likewise. Well said.

I love ur channel!!!

I THINK JESSE LEE PETERSON COULD HELP JORDAN TO FINALLY UNDERSTAND, IF ONLY HE WOULD HEED HIS ADVICE.

Same here.

What does it mean turning to Christ

Amen

That's so true and so beautiful. Thanks 👍

It is a startling realisation. Dr Peterson is what led me back to Jesus, even when he himself appeared to be in doubt.

Couldn't have said any better. Jesus is the only way to Salvation. I pray for Dr. Peterson

@@danetrumbore2203 Once Jesus is in your life your willing to do whatever you can to serve him...but you have to let him in first, which is something people need to do constantly to show that love back to him!

Exactly what I’ve pondering while I watched and listened. Jonathan helped him smile as wide as he could muster. For all this Vervaeke, Vanderklay, Pageau bantering about, Jonathan and Jordan quite clearly have a beautiful connection. In what can only be perceived as a marvelous reflection of the symbolism Jonathan shares, teaches, and creates. Jonathan the fringe artist believer, ministering to the brilliant fringe outsider who confounds so many Christians with the attractiveness of his wisdom is absolutely beautiful...what may come, will come.

His sense of humor combined with his Christian and premodern mindset is such a great companion to Jordan. They really compliment one another, glad to see them together again.

In some way I felt like a fly on the wall watching a beautiful intimate conversation between two close friends.

This is true, walk with God

Exactly. He picks Jordan from the airport. They even went to Church together 😂

AMEN!!!

Amen 😊

Amen and hallelujah!

AMEN! "Viva christo rey"⚜⚘

Yoke - words. And look, in repeating the phrase, you got 5 happy "amen" (s) 🙂 Interesting it's not "confess your sins" You guys aren't Catholic

Amen

Amen brother,

@matthew walke your comment made me cry

@@m.j.4100 no need to cry my friend, for Christ has already won the battle

God not Christ.... Christ is a prophet and a slave of God

wow, you've been through a lot. Keep shining your light in the darkness my friend.

@@meatofpeach i hope this reaches Jordan. Its brutally apparent that he needs us more than we need him at this point in time. He's been to hell and back and we as a community of his viewers need to be as supportive and understanding of his circumstances. Lets not ask for him to give us more and instead give back to him with as much if not more encouragement than he has given to us.

As an Orthodox Christian, I'm rooting for God in the long run. But, for the here and now and short-term future, I'm praying for guys like you to bring the wisdom to him. Peace, from an old-garden variety drunk.

Feels like these drugs are pure evil if they can make people suffer so much. I pray to God we would get to our senses. How many doctors know of the side effects and dismiss them? I'm trying to not eat carbs, helps with my psoriasis and my mood is much better. Maybe there is a way to not depend on drugs so much.

Damn.. just the fact you survived that is a bloody miracle (yes I heard JP saying those two words in my head 😁). Makes me sick to my stomach to think how much those drugs have been prescribed so carefree and the amount of suffering it has brought to so many people who were just seeking for help...

I have fibromyalgia and arthritis. My spine is slowly crushing more nerves as time passes. I am in constant pain. Today, my feet hurt so much that I can barely touch them. I feel every heartbeat in the soles of my feet. I have to dangle them over the bed so they don't rest on the soft mattress. My pain has brought me closer to my Creator. I see my grandchildren every day. My daughter and I bought a duplex and I am sharing my experience and the stories of my parents and grandparents with them. I know purpose. God is the only one who understands my pain and can comfort me. I have something to look forward to that is so awesome. Being in God's presence, pain free, guilt free and without sadness, gives me strength.

So true. Well said.

Very good 👏👏 very much indeed.

Yes, this is a smart wat of going about it. It can be discouraging but it makes total sense with the cosmological view to back it and the fact that the most virtuous path would also be the hardest to maintain perfectly.

Amen

I agree, but as someone on the verge of returning to mass for the first time in years, it’s hard to let go of his example of the sexual abuse scandal and subsequent lack of response to it in the church. Though that doesn’t negate your point and maybe I need to let that go and, like you said, focus on the parts of the garden I can actually touch.

Amen.We are watching this in real time.

WE LOVE YOU JORDAN ❤

All i can do is watch in awe, and shout for joy! Like Paul with all his knowledge was completely turned around with a wisdom fr the King of Kings, in a different journey altogether. Jeremiah 33:3 Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.

Yes!!! Those who are Yahweh's children really can see this struggle.

Humble yourself and give glory to god.

could you share at what the time is that?

Me too

@@xerxer9251 23:09

agreed, I was only listening and could tell he was getting choked up

@@xerxer9251 I am curious. Are you not interested in the conversation? You just want to see him crying without the talk that leads to that moment? Why?

Only Jesus.

@@hminchella7423 AMEN.

He is looking for the value in making the right “Choice”. Choice is why we are here! To Choose Christ! To be with God (as opposed to NOT being with God!) for eternity! Make the choice to be WITH God! And enjoy the journey on earth as each step we take HERE working for Him will reflect our station in Heaven for eternity! At least for the time during the Millennium! What Paul taught the Hebrews in the Epistle to the Hebrews!

Amen to that, although I think he already sees, he's merely trying to figure out and make sense of what he is seeing.

I think you should pray for yourself so that YOU see fully the Glory of Christ. Unless you're implying you already see it...

Because?

As you do Lana

@@TheWorldTeacher Because JBP is profound and there's nearly 2 hours of conversation here sooooooooooooooo.... the word of the day will be val·u·a·ble /ˈvaly(o͞o)əb(ə)l/ adjective worth a great deal of money. "a valuable antique" noun a thing that is of great worth, especially a small item of personal property. "put all your valuables in the hotel safe"

Agreed, Lana. Keep up your own positive efforts as well!

wait, you a Peterson fan?! Sweet!

Them, and probably most people who watched this video. Which is a lot of people.

Sharp sight, Rachel. Blessings.

Actually it happens over the Logos: Acts 17. 28 :^)

The theme of our year for sure

Absolutely. It is 4 am and I am up taking notes. So blessed to have the penetrating questions and the buoyant answers of JP and JP. It is home.

The Christian rule is to live thy neighbor and thy God as we love ourselves. I fail to love myself sometimes because of my sins and bad habits. I hurt myself when I think about it but God let the hurt happen so I can understand the pain that comes with sin. It’s truly a burden on humanity which is why we need Christ. He loved us and died for us to be free of that burden

Thats wonderful insight!

Beautiful

Very astute observation!

Well spotted 🙏🏻✝️❤️

AMEN! TRUTH! i hope he realizes it sooner than later, before its too late!

This.

Nailed it!

I loled. That was funny 😊

Imagine what could happen if he is able to return to 100%

It's like in an RPG when your HP drops below a certain level, the stronger your attacks become

I'm so glad his words helped you! And let's pray that your comment reaches Jordan and nudges him closer to Jesus. Thanks...

In the same way you encourage and commend Jordan with regards to the people he must have helped that he will never even know about, may I in turn thank you for your testimony. That you shared it is not only brave, but extremely important, and also valuable beyond your knowing. “The Lord bless you and keep you; the Lord make his face to shine upon you and be gracious to you; the Lord lift up his countenance upon you and give you peace. The multi-layered meaning in the original Hebrew of this passage (God’s own words of prayer to us/for us) are life changing and profound. You are deeply loved.

@@whitestone4805 this comment has me so emotional. Bless you so much for acknowledging this powerful testimony and for the blessing. You're precious! GOD bless you and perfect what concerns you

Bless you for your comment and testimony. Be blessed and I pray that the LORD keeps you faithful all the days of your life

@@rtendotapiwa306 Thank you, that’s a such kind comment to receive. 🙏. This life is both a classroom to learn in and gift to be used to bless others.

I feel the same way!

I don’t recall who said it, “understanding is overrated”, because our minds can never know absolute reality. Our challenge is to dismantle our minds (thoughts, beliefs, opinions). Perhaps starving is a better metaphor. We need to stop feeding our personas with other peoples views, opinions, theories and stories. Starving to death. Reborn in the spirit.

And also with you

And Zeus too.

Buddha as well.

@@islandonlinenews Come on, dude....

@@islandonlinenews For Jesus to be real, others don't have to be false. All the religions, in different words or forms, for our own sake and temperament point to one Ultimate Reality. When we reach there, we'll see no difference between Krishna, Jesus or Allah.

I believe Jordan will figure this out with God..he has "The Truth Will Set You Free" on his side

Amen.. I believe he is on his way.

What happens when you fully believe? Freedom from this world. Freedom can be terrifying to those who spent their entire life locked up. It's even harder when your someone of statute and wealth as Christ destroys the social status. I can see why Jordan is terrified.

@@standrew3152 that was my exact initial thought, but that maybe he does have faith in Christ and touches on it deeply but won’t expressly proclaim it because he fears it would liquidate his audience. But he is slowly showing people the truth of the Bible while maintaining his audience to also bring it to them.

@@Ommateum truly knowing Christ gives the spirit a bravery never known before, a boldness to speak of Him. Especially the brand new Christian who's spirit has just been risen from dead to alive. Keep praying, we cannot assume someone is saved. If they do not declare it then they most likely are not.

@Joseph Ahern Laugh or cry- they are almost the same thing.

Exactly. I'm a little too eager to unconsciously mirror another person's energy but in this case, Johnathon did a great job asserting his own. That's really important and we can lift other people up when we stand in our truth.

Being who you are/ Believing in what you believe, even if your belief may hurt somebody else’s feelings, is what “standing up with your shoulders back” is all about. Even though in my life atm I feel more Jordan than Jonathan, I can still tell what the right mode of being is ^^ Thank you Jordan for your help

For some reason, I always laugh in the most intense situations. I have surprised myself laughing in a warzone as bullets whizzed over my head, or sitting at the bedside of my dying best friend. I don't know how to explain it, but it is certainly not because I take Jordan's suffering lightly.

@@JonathanPageau I think it's because you recognize the absurdity of it all and the existence of an eternal soul. Actors upon the world's stage. Just subbed to your channel btw. I'm listening to your deconstruction of the Kanye West interview with Joe Rogan. Your perspective helps elevate the rest of us. Thank you for being you!

Very interesting comment friend.

Yes imagine Peterson becoming a huge Christian and writing tons of amazing Christian philosophical books like CS Lewis did.

@@tehdreamer He kinda already did, in Maps of Meaning! :)

What I would give

@@edgeofthought Well, he still is very far from Christianity in his book. He sometimes actually seems to be a "new ager" when speaking, for example, about the possibility of "possessing the Logos" (that's I saw in an interview) or all that talking about "caos" and "order", stucked in psychological and material domains, which is typical of modern mentallity, especially because we adopted cartesian reasoning, which is also in Galileu. I love Peterson, but he must leave modernity once and for all. It is a fruit of a spiritual sickness.

go neirigh an bothar leat

God bless you John. Glad you are back on track brother.

@@hectorcarillosullivan5557 thank you

Might I recommend Western Orthodoxy, in particular, if the Novis Ordo remains a stumbling block?

Let's all pray for Jordan Peterson.

There is power in the blood of Jesus. The suffering...we can suffer together!

@@Midnightspecia1 power in the blood.. life in Jesus.. and such a grace in his suffering.. Amen and Amen to that...

@@Midnightspecia1 Jesus did the suffering already it's up to us to thrive together

Praise God, aliens, and the dimensional beings holding this universe together.

That will happen when he stops being a lying charlatan in other words never.

@@HenningDiesel Jeez...

@@HenningDiesel WTF? Why are you even here?

@@HenningDiesel What has he lied about?

@@HenningDiesel, please thinks again if you really mean what you communicate. It is so negative.

was fascinated by the exact same part of the conversation. Been reading Genesis the last two weeks and I'm profoundly moved by the destructive nature of some of the characters there and yet there is this full awareness of the covenant of Adonai to Abraham that directs and centers the entire family. Joseph was clear in his understanding that Adonai was the one who allowed the pain and suffering he experienced in order to avert even more pain and suffering for the whole family down the road. Can there be any other alternative but to worship God like David does in Psalm 18? To see Jordan wrestling so...it's refreshing. To have a leader of this sort willing to display his wrestling and not present himself as perfect and graciously allow himself to be talked to like a child with a father is something I very rarely see with leaders in the west. Would that more were willing to be humble and contrite. Certainly the God of Israel dwells with the lowly and contrite of spirit and it is we that have to learn that thru pain we find the one thing that God sees...a person who will hear him like a child ready for help.

Awesome. Just awesome!

God bless you bother!

That’s pretty cool, ya know.☺️

Im reading domian by tom holland so your comment for me reflects how connected we all are.Hearing seeing j+j speaking is such a positive hopeful sign at this strange time.Go gently!

Exactly!!! That's what I was thinking!!! What a great human being!!

Right, i mean i think it must come from a decent childhood/educational background. But above all else id say scientific objectivity as well as respect for ideas while being grounded first and foremost, so yeah great guy surely much intellectual rigor here which is seen clearly in his respect for past intellectuals and philosphers.

Wisdom starts with a wish to have it. I’d say what Mrs Peterson need is Credo, Pater Noster, Ave Maria, Rosary for few weeks and then Confession. Maybe he could stop being such an egoist. He talks about his issues all the time! Deal with them already Mr Peterson :). The last bit he hasn’t given up yet is keeping him from peace... Poor protestants, they seems to be longing for Truth which is universal, but their separatation and pride is keeping them from coming back to Catholic Church. This is the missing part for Mr Peterson’s peace. Sacraments and obiedience. But he will never give up his ‚right to not be boxed in’ so he might die suffering like this without answers. I hope he will make it to FSSPX (they are not only agaist corrupted hierarchy, but also whole Vaticanum II!) some day. Peace to you reading it :) Edit: he even quotes himself as a heretic at 34:00. Does he really believe he can just use Jesus’s teaching but when it comes to action he prefers his ‚own version’ of the cross (without the Church and Sacraments)? Like when Jesus started the Church he made a mistake according to Jordan? ‚One cannot have God for the Father if one doesn’t have the Church for the Mother.’ St. Thaschus Caecilius Cyprianus This is his pride that drags him into depressions. It is the guilt and shame and lack of action. You lack the sacrifice for One God in Three Persons. You slighly on Cain side here. Mrs Jordan, you amuse me! You actually have given yourself a cure, a tip that would cure you if you applied it. You yourself also, as you said in 36:00 ‚dont manifest transformation of attitude that enables the outside observer to easily conclude that they believe’. Your attitude is exactly like that towards Sacraments and Church that enables them. There is no salvation outside the Church. Due to Original Sin your nature is flawed and wounded (wound of ignorance, wound of will, lust, rage). You need Church’s Sacraments to achieve the state of Grace to heal the wounds. It is the one thing that you don’t wanna do, that it would heal you - Body of Christ. Your eyes will open up, that is the Light. God will keep you in the state of depression (sin) as long as you keep trying reach Salvation your own way. The way is already there, but go to FSSPX, avoid Novus Ordo Missae. BTW: It was Jordan Peterson who ‚picked me up’ from depressed state and atheism. But I never stopped at Jung and searched and found the Whole Truth, including the Catholic Church and Sacraments. Go to FSSPX if you would like to find out yourself :) 55:15 why should you believe that? It is written, Christ is a solution to humanity’s problem. Messiah they called Him. Humanity had a problem, so its Creator sent help. Everyone had its own version of Truth at the time (like we do today) and Christ was universal solution. Why wouldn’t you believe it? THEY HAVE UNCROWNED HIM - Marcel Lefebvre. It should answer most of Jordan’s questions asked by him in this interview.

@@zawepygler1223 Protestants don't have obdeince and sacraments? And I'm curious if salvation is only thru the Church how people that live alone, say in the wilderness, could be saved?

​@@WideAwakeHuman Well, a priest in Poland drove 600km in Kazakhstan to confess his sins. If they care about Truth, what stops them in wilderness?

If they don't its probably not a matter of lack of intellectual capacity as much as fear of the implications.

@@crisjones7923 might be both (I'll be thinking about this conversation for a while)

Not sure my brain took them all in - I plan to replay it; maybe a couple of times. Also, this was my introduction to Jonathan Pageau.

@nigel_bd lol is that a Dave Rubin reference?

Yep, I agree.

Yup. That uncompromising honesty is so admirable and trying to follow his example makes us all better people.

Yes I quite enjoy his videos and his candor. It’s nice to see people who actually do have their feet on the path of knowledge and it is truly only that which will carry us into the next step of our humanity and our relationship with the divine. The stereotypical image of modern men especially white modern man is such a mischaracterization that we must go forward and correct this view. How is the big question? We have to figure out how to reach across the aisle and educate people without looking like we are trying to be condescending towards those who are sorely misinformed. It does present a real challenge doesn’t it? I think lead by example would work better if they were even actually looking, but they aren’t looking at anything seriously that we do. Which complicates things further. Plain talk may be the only solution. Show them what we are about. I think that’s what Jordan tries to do everyday. We must follow his lead. God bless you all.

AMEN every word

@@moomoocowsly I agree and I also think there is another aspect of all of this that evades most. It started for me in my early twenties that at night when I would lay my head on my pillow and try to go to sleep I would hear children crying out tormented and in pain. This went on for some time, but it really bothered me. I eventually learned to block it out. It hurt my heart and some part of me knew that it was real. It is only in learning over the last few years that in fact many millions of children have been abducted tortured, molested and in some cases killed that maybe I was hearing the children for real? My ancestor St. Vincent De Paul believed that the church tends to over disparage people to a point that Jesus is so far out of our reach that we could never hope to be like him or even close. While he believed that we could all be like Jesus and maybe not as Good as he but it was in each of our abilities to at least try and be that person we all know we can be. No we can’t be Jesus but we can be more like him than we are. The biggest issue most people have is motivation. Tell me that you are person who really cares about people and that your motivation isn’t simply to avoid eternal damnation. Better yet prove it. I think you can see where I’m coming from there.

He is not playing that game

Truth, I’ve went through all the “IDW” and the like and JP is the only one I still bother to pay attention to. I do wish Jordan the best though, he has a special place in many hearts as a sort of guidepost.

HE DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE VERY BRIGHT BUT SEEMS LIKE A NICE ENOUGH GUY.

@@DOOMJESUS why do u think he isnt bright?

and a true homophobe, that's how bad dogma ends up f...ing you. hope he updates..

That was beautifully put!!

What does he need?

A very poignant verse.

I do say that those that truly deserve the kingdom of god do not ask or demand it. They will get what they truly entitled to wether they want it or not and that how any judgement should be.

Yeah that is another good one. :)

Nonsense. The idea that God would create a being with the vast amount of intellect that has been given to humans, and then say reduce yourself to the thinking abilities of a child is preposterous.

As I'm listening, I thinking I see how JBP is struggling with the God idea. It is one I've experienced as a struggling alcoholic introduced to the idea of a Higher Power through a 12 Step Program. My stumbling block was that I had to figure out what God is, define Him, many times asking "why?". A statement Jordan made, that he can't believe in that which he cannot fully understand nor comprehend. I realized I will never figure God out, He is too much beyond our human brains, and even our hearts to be fully enlightened all at once, it would be too overwhelming for any of us. This is where spiritual experiences plays a vital role, no matter how small, I "get God" a small piece 24 hours at a time. If I ask(pray), willing to receive the messages, stay open minded about where that faith will lead me, and carry out His work in a principled Godly manner, I've I get exactly what and how much I need to get me through the day. It's a process, and understanding, a growing relationship that builds one step at a time, one foot in front of the other, walking in faith rather than by sight(ego). It's like a good marriage with growing understanding, trust, and a crescendo of love with the heart, rather than the head. A balance between the spiritual and the ego, the order and chaos, retiring at night with an honest review of acts and words I did "right", and admission of my wrongs in the presence of "kind, loving, and All Powerful God". He then sees to it where I can make my amends, and strive towards a better me if I ask for His guidance. Ongoing understand-ING, not me knowing or figuring out who God is before I strive up towards a higher example of his grace. Been working for almost 6 years, next week, sober, God willing😉🙏😇 God bless you all✌

How though? God will make my manager less abusive? Raise my wage to something livable?

@@Shinigami1016 you sound angry like wherever youre living right now they arent doing so good. dont blame wages and people's actions on God. The problem with people is they want God to do everything to prove he exists even though he gave us common sense and people wont use it....law makers and bad people are to blame for bad actions

@@edwincaraballo2414 I wasn't describing myself. lol T'was hypothetical. Doesn't the quote literally say that god will make your job easier? I'm just asking how.

And his spirit is still light to this day. God is real.

@@Shinigami1016 I once asked myself this same thing, when I was 21 I accepted christ and my life changed drastically.

Feel it

I agree🙏🏼

It's a revolution in all senses, I see it everywhere

Fantastic talk - some of the best I've seen. My heart goes out to Jordan!

man

Really appreciate you sharing this. You sound like you've lived my life but you're ahead of me. I'm soon to get a motorcycle too and I fear dying in an accident to then be confronted with God whom I've reluctantly strayed further from in my pursuit for truth for the same reasons as to how Jordan fears the reality you face upon accepting how everything ultimately revolves around God, this has paradoxically led me astray yet my attention to God has grown in a more sincere direction. I also grew up in a Christian home and accepted the faith when I was 7. I received the gift of prophecy and tongues but I had no one guiding me as a child in any other aspects of life so, almost inevitably, the lack of guidance and care along with my own naivety and curiosity lead me astray just as I'd watch it happen to other youths in church. I was motivated not to face the same fate but ultimately I evolved into a double-faced Christian. I made a mess battling with my faith and it's been 3 years that I've been in pain, a pain I cannot seem to grasp or understand just as Jordan mentioned. It's definitely a bizarre coincidence to find myself possibly walking the same direction as Jordan whom I only discovered late last year, he's much older and experienced than me but his rise in fame feels predestined, at least in regards to how timely it compares to my own life and in relation to his own. Today I still call myself a theist by a thread, I just don't know who it is I think I believe in.

Wow. Shockingly powerful words.

Thanka for sharing this testimony. God bless you and God bless you survived! "Nothing in my hands i bring, simply to the cross i clinge."

Hopefully he accepts Christ and won't spend an eternity in the lake of sulfur and fire. That will surely be a good punishment for him if he doesn't accept Christ.

I think it's more like your uncleanness would destroy you in that Presence.

Amen.

I appreciate you saying this. You reminded me of two verses that I hope can be encouraging to each of us: Hebrews 4:15, ESV: "For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. 1 Peter 3:18, ESV “For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit,”

There's so much more to this wonderful story called life. To really think about it would take many lifetimes. At some point we have to take it in faith or trust those are the same if you ask me. Be well thinkers!

It is that thought that makes me rather appreciate suffering even though I may not enjoy it. Since suffering is part of the life experience anyway.

Jung? Answer to Job?

And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, and said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

@Vilfredo Pareto there are so many logical leaps in your analogy, I can't even...

I pray for Jordan and his family regularly.

@Vilfredo Pareto "Most peoples are Christian but that doesn't mean it is good or right, most of the peoples here are Christians and all they do is feed each other nonsense, the whole religion is based on believing in fantasy so you can feel good for thinking about it. That is it." If I understand you correctly, then beeing religous is believing in a fantasy, that makes you feel good. I dont exactly understand what you mean by "feel good for thinking about it". I guess you mean that the fantasy is also empty. But then "fantasy" is not an ideal word for what you are trying to criticize. Consider the fact that the way we act out the meaning in our lives is resempled by the way we tell ourselves stories. If you read a novel by Stephen King, what part about it is not real exactly? If the story is not real, the how come the characters can act believable in it? And why are you scared of a fictional monster? Religious stories are in a way fantasy and in many ways not. Maybe a better way of thinking about it: The bible is a story above all stories. It is more real, if you will. It is much closer to a living organism that produces meaning if you venture into it. It is much more frightening than just a good feeling. Jordan Peterson has a lot on that, if you are interested. "The feeling of feeling good is enough reason for people to throw away all common sense and rational thinking, like a class 5 illegal drug." Again, I dont really know what you mean by this. But I can imagine, that there are a lot of religious people, who like the welcoming -> good? feeling a religion gives. I dont understand whether you have a problem with that, or with the stories beeing empty, which is a strange thing to asume, if you call it a fantasy at the same time (see above). If I accept your feeling good-point for a moment, than that is now beeing compared to a drug, that is beeing used against all rationality. I get that, people really want to feel good, so they act stupid, take drugs etc. "People use drugs that is bad for them, they abuse the drug, when the only good thing it does is make them feel good. Christianity is the exact same thing. It is a trade-off that is worth it for them." This is the actual point, that beeing religous is like drug abuse, Christianity beeing the drug, the trade-off. Is this drug still a fantasy? "Abusing" the drug religion is leading to a good feeling, and that is bad, because it's actually a fantasy? Or they dont realize that the fantasy is actually a drug, that is harmful? I dont think the drug analogy is very helpful, escpecially coming from your point about religion beeing a fantasy. It's not obvious, where beeing religious starts or ends, whereas that is very obvious in the case of a drug you take. Also, it is now very obvious, that you are just attacking your personal idea of a religion, or the way in which people are religous around you. And what exactly is beeing traded off? Rationality and common sense? How do you live a life according to rationality? Or common sense? These aren't the ideals of your life, they are instruments along the way. Living a rational live isn't living at all, it's beeing already dead without realising it. And living a life according to common sense is just the most boring life possible. "Funny thing is, if you ever deprive them of it, they get cranky and very angry or upset, just like illegal drugs that are hurting them." Well, religion tends to form your identity, since it is after all the truth you consider to be meaningful. And beeing deprived of the meaning in your life tends to make anybody "upset". A drug, rather the addiction to it, can also form your identity, but is obviously dependend on a physical/chemical process at its core, which in turn may influence your biology and hence your psyche. Beeing religous is not really comparable to that, since we already lack that starting physical process as a point. Religion is always already pointing towards those beeing religious and vice versa. Godspeed

and in christ we once all will be free^^ amen

@Vilfredo Pareto dont feed the troll, but every substance that can be abused, can heal, too. and therefore it is not only harmful, can help to heal, too. sometimes it is even a cure, f.e. the forced enlightment through n-DMT , that wont give you the trip you want, but the trip you need. but i dont thinka spoiled kid like you has enouh balls, to go that far into the unknown (btw, every human beeng carrying the precursor for it in his spinal gland and it will be set free the moment you will die), if THAT is no proof for the existence of a gracefull etnitity, then you may be as stupid as you are annoying, but even someone, who neither did anything for getting it,or maybe wont even deserve to be salvated, a dork. a guy like you. has it, nevertheless, too.

He’s wonderful. I hope some of it rubs off on Jordan.

What

I know what you mean. I've always thought of the two of them as a pair like the two masks of drama 🎭 because Jordan cannot keep from crying and Jonathan cannot keep from laughing all the time. 😢😂 I think many of us relate to Jordan and, like him, long for what Jonathan has. So much love for them. This conversation is epic. 🙏 Thank you for being this intimate in public JPs.

@@daniellehampton8634 well said.

I was just going to comment that I love his laughter! It’s that kind of boyish laughter and smile that bring joy just to see and hear it 😁

Reminds of the Seraphim Angels greeting men saying the same thing because of their out of this world look.

It’s in the storm, where the objective meets the narrative!

You confused Dr Peterson's brimming supply of self absorbance with humility

@Lee Grant Rock & roll

Listening about Jonathan Pageau's home being flooded in the beginning, I misread your comment as "abundant supply of humidity" :D

Good observation! I believe he has said the rules in his books are as much for himself as they are for its readers. I recently watched a clip from one of his earlier Rogan appearances and was very surprised to see him slouching in his seat! Seemed to be before he launched 12 Rules for Life; after that, he took his own advice!

Slava Na Viki

What religion are you?

@@TheGuiltsOfUs and where’s the evidence for this god?

@@unkownoflife5959 The Red Pill.

@ominousimpression brother/sister I think what Jonathan is getting at and Bhakti is quite similar. one unfied goal