At 61, here in the uk I went back to college to study photography....I should have known better. It was bad enough 40 years ago, but this time around , being in a creative acedemic environment was truly insufferable- I felt as if I couldn't breathe out; the fragility and self-importance of both staff and students had me walking on eggshells from the minute I walked through the door. Something needs to change.

I am so, so thankful that my 28 year old daughter did not become a toxic feminist's, she survived four years of college, 3 years of her Master's Degree which is a miracle to me when she did high, college, and university in DC. In her high school the obamas visited , in college nancy pelosi visited, etc. My daughter is married and has given me two precious grandsons and my third grandson is going to be born at the end of August which means it's two months away. Thank you so much Doctor Peterson. I am an immigrant woman born in Honduras. My personal experience living in DC I can say that I have been discriminated most by blacks, and hispanics.I do not take it personal because I feel sorry for them because I know that they just losers and full of hate. Hate is not from God. Hate, division, entitlement, victimhood, etc come straight from satan. I am jus thankful to be alive and have the opportunity of living in the USA for over 25 years. Deo gratias.

A local university has had a program for several years now that allows Seniors 62 years old and older to attend one class per semester for free. I decided to start attending several years ago just to be myself and have influence just by being authentically myself a older (67 currently) white male Christian. So far, I have taken several writing classes (Poetry, Fiction). By not being offended and clearly explaining myself (I’m not there to fight) not mind being a lighting rod. Because I wanted to hear them, they started to want to hear me. I believe if more seniors reengage younger generations and just be who they are. They really love most of our stories. Don’t try to convert just be. Thank you for the conversation.

Misplaced maternal instincts, absolutely. We were raised with every teacher, coach, etc telling us to wait to get married and have kids and never stop working. Women and children have suffered for this!!

In the current clown world we're living through, it's awesome to hear logical, common sense perspectives by Dr. Peterson

Dearest Dr. Peterson, it was such a joy to meet you last night. I was so shy and you were so gentle and tender with the shy ones. I was shy because I couldn’t imagine that you would recognize me and know me from my visiting with you here in the comment section and you DID and I get tears in my eyes thinking of it. And then I knew there wasn’t anything to be shy about, it’s just you, and you’re just the same in person as you are on camera, and I’m just the same in person as I am in my writing only shyer at first. I will fill you in on how things go with my literary agent as soon as I have any updates to share. It is amazing to me that of all the literary agents who represent my genre, the one agent who requested my full manuscript was one who handled your translation rights for the translation of “Twelve Rules” and “Beyond Order” into Hebrew. The reason this connection is so poignant to me is that without you, Dr. Peterson, there would not have been a completed manuscript. There would only have been a raw and unedited finished but shelved project filed under “failures.” And now it has a fighting chance of being a book that might serve to give comfort and hope to someone. Someday I hope to tell you all about it, and how you taught me that story matters, face to face. Until then, here is a hug until I can give you another one in person. With Ruth Anne’s love

I am 32, a millennial and have only just within the last year and a half or so changed my beliefs from being quite progressive to now fairly conservative. I had one PC class that pushed critical race theory or a version of it back in 2013 and have a very liberal mother and family whom I know argue over politics with. Even though DW is going through some things I have them to thank for breaking into my silly progressive brain with KZfaq shorts and Instagram reels back in 2021. Thank you Ben, Candace and Jordan 😆

I live in Africa and we have an international school which goes up to high school and my experience of these children is that they are very thoroughly indoctrinated by the time they leave!

When i enrolled in a community collage one of our 1st semester classes was a humanities class, There was this "good ole country boy" from another small town nearby. He stood up in class during a lecture and told the instructor "you are so full of it, you trying to get us not to believe in God!"

Love, compassion, loyalty to the truth-not a party

Protect Canada at all cost against liberal wokeism.

Eric Kaufmann is a Canadian treasure. I just wished you talked more about his ideas on mass immigration he's one of the most educated people on the cultural shift in the west due to mass immigration. It's like sitting down with Mike Tyson and only talking about his weed company.

I own my truck(semi) and PC culture has a grave impact in the economy. Because one can see that private institutions due to the intrusion of government in the economy and morality via micromanaging, are doing exactly the same, even if one owns it’s business one is micromanaged until one is completely demoralized, minimized, dehumanized and eventually unmotivated, then despair is inevitable. Don’t people see how decrepit is our infrastructure? Why addiction per capita is way higher in the blue laborer class? Everything affects the economy.

The Left sent me here...

Jordan hit a solid point there at the end section. Japan established a culture/ethos of trust and honesty. This culture is the necessary backbone in good governance. I had a conversation recently with an older Filipino that was a political science major at UP. We talked about how the government and justice system is corrupt. Then I asked him "If the government is so corrupt, why don't the people revolt and overthrow the current system?" He said the systems in place are heavily influenced by, and resembles the West's, and the reason for the country's poor economic condition is due to corruption. But this corruption is based on problems endemic to the culture. There is a slave mentality baked in from the time of the Spanish rule. One feature of this is 'forever indebtedness'. Say for example, a politician pulls strings to help your family out of a bad situation, you will feel forever indebted to that politician and vote for them, regardless of the policies they have, that's a problem. Now, imagine, the strings the politician used to help you, makes his subordinates think the public's money is not being used honestly. Now you have a "give up-ism" mentality that makes policeman and judges think "If the money from this traffic ticket will just end up going into the pockets of someone it doesn't belong to, I'll just take a bribe for a lesser amount and forget it happened". Honesty is the best public policy.

Teach people how to question everything and how to recognize when they are being manipulated (Ad hominems and logical fallacies etc)

I have a child in fourth grade in Vancouver Canada, and I sit as the chair of the parents advisory council in my child’s school. I cringe at the indoctrination I see, but I haven’t known how to begin to address the issue. I’ve been thinking of approaching the school board over this and other issues, such as mowing down our entire school garden, and not allowing any bushes in the garden because kids might get poked by a branch. It all seems rooted in them not wanting to be sued. That’s not what we need to teach our children. Thanks for the dive into this issue. Great episode!

I'm getting told that I did wrong in saying something that hurt someone's feelings by a person who says nothing to their friends who lie or cheat.

I watched 10 hours of his work in the past 2 days

My 20 year old dropped out of university. We're glad. He's a musician and got a contract. We are perfectly happy that he is not being brainwashed to hate us. Mind you, I went to Oxford and my husband is brilliant and tri-lingual. Under normal circumstances we would want our son to be educated in a classical sense, but that is not what is now happening.

In my clinical mental health graduate course I had to sit through a 2 hour lecture on microaggressions, this week and this talk is so refreshing in comparison.

Dr. Peterson, at minute 52:25 you asked your guest why homeschooled children score nearly as high as public or private schooled children on measures of wokeness and I posit the reason is social media. Studies are clear that nearly all children, regardless of the type of education they receive, are functionally addicted to social media and that it influences their opinions more than any other single factor.

I appreciate the timing, just when I was going for a nap you wake me up, well good! I never get bored listenning and watching your podcasts.

Best one-sentence definition of woke I've ever heard.

Dearest Dr. Peterson, your lecture last night left me with All The Thoughts. I wanted to share with you that I made a connection between Abraham, whose story you were telling last night (and you FORGOT to bang on about the PEELED GRAPES, Dr. Peterson; for SHAME, you can’t tell the story of Abraham without banging on about the peeled grapes), and the story of Ruth, in the book of Ruth, for whom I am named and whose story has been wrapped up in the same bundle of life as my own for many years. I was thinking that Ruth is the female version of Abraham. Her journey mirrored his in a real sense. And then I was thinking about what Jonathan was saying about the white stone, and I’ve loved that passage ever since I can remember. The way the passage about the white stone, wherein a name was written that no man knows saving he who received it, was taught to me, is that the white stone is symbolic of the personal private relationship each of us has with God. I was taught that it was comparable to the tender pet name a husband might have for his wife, a name that encapsulated their entire life together. And then because that passage is from the addresses to the seven churches in the Revelations and not a day goes by I don’t think of those addresses, the solemn warnings and the encouragement for the overcomer, I compared what you were saying about Dostoyevsky and his “cakes and bubbles of bliss” bit with the church at Laodicea, which church boasted that “I am rich, and increased in goods, and have need of nothing; and you don’t know that you are wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked.” And if that doesn’t describe modern Christianity I simply do not know what does. With Ruth Anne’s love

I would love to see Dr. Peterson and others like him to have a debate or something about these exact topics. Going in depth why people act the way they do, only on primetime TV. The general population needs to hear this.

I absolutely know that I don't need a doctorate degree in human studies, to capture what I see going on right now. And it floors me. It couldn't be more real than it is. Not enough people are seeing it. And that saddens me. "It" isn't fair, and "it" doesn't care.

8:08 love how you got into the video right away. I don’t like when the intros are way too long. We need to hear information you know and I like how this is more positive we need more so we need a solution. We need solutions to to hear we need hope!!!

Mr. Peterson, I am in awe of ur steadfastness. I stand with u n for u in life, prayer n the spirit of God 🙏🏾 May ur reward be greater when u meet The Lord. I encourage u to keep going. I appreciate ur fight for wat God created n ordered to be. It's a breath of fresh air. I'm in USA N I AGREE ON ALL IF NOT EVERYTHING I HAVE WATCHED N RESEARCHED on ur debates n interviews that I've watched. N I cry with u. N pray with n for u to God Almighty who is n was n is to come!ALL THESE IGNORANT PEOPLE WHO ARE HYPNOTIZED BY THE WORLDS WICKED WAYS is of delusion n blindness ,INSTEAD OF WAT GOD ORDERED FOR A HUMAN, NATURAL, ORDER OF LIFE. Because without order there's nothing but destruction of mind, heart, body, soul n spirit. MAY GOD HELP US. THANK U SIR N I CALL U MY BROTHER IN CHRIST. MAY HE KEEP U STRONG. IN JESUS CHRIST NAME. AMEN

I am reminded of a concept called the drama triangle. The Drama Triangle was first described by Stephen Karpman in the 1960s. It is a model of dysfunctional social interactions and illustrates a power game that involves three roles: Victim, Rescuer, and Persecutor, each role represents a common and ineffective response to conflict.

Hello from Colombia, South America...

My oldest son is nearly 14 . I can say, regarding tribal identity, his friend group is sacred although his grandparents' views also still influences him.

Thank you Jordan Peterson for all you do🙏

I had the opportunity to have visited East Berlin in my late teens right before the eastern block fell. Now I have the privilege of mentoring young people in my office about the experience. I use my words to paint a picture for them of having a picnic next to the Reichstag in a lovely green park. Then slowly they begin to notice the fence by the river, then the police boat. Next the tower, and the guard watching them, rifle in hand. Then to look behind them to notice the wall itself, graffitied and menacing. To look over it into no man’s land. That is what socialism is. Gray, murderous, suffocating. And I am alarmed to see my own family disparaging freedom and capitalism as they sit in air conditioned comfort with their iPad.

Shelby Steele's "White Guilt" is fantastic...I read that while DEI was being stuffed down my throat summer of 2020, being told I should read "white fragility" . Instead I read Steele's book and it really hits the nail on the head of how we got to where we are today. I highly recommend it.

"Why would women specifically back up the dominant ideology of the elites?" Protection. Clinging to strength to shield them from dangers.

I studied a bachelor of education, early childhood in the mid 2000s. The course was laced with postmodern critical theory & marxist ideology. Unfortunately my lecturers were what I now understand to be post-structural feminists, the most insufferable of the feminist iterations, IMO. Daring to mention the value of men in EC education in my final assignment got me a page of vitriolic abuse from the lecturer. They taught us to approach all children's literature, especially the classics, with suspicion & hatred for the "white men & homogenous colonial cultures" that created them. I decided to enter a different field after I graduated, I wasn't going to indoctrinate young minds.

There is no way that the home schooling families that I know from my church, are teaching ANY form of DEI.

Of all the Jordan Peterson interviews I've seen, this one was one of the most enlightening - thank you for sharing your perspectives!

The Great Correction is Underway👍👍👍

Enlightening interview. Fast-paced too, which is a good thing. Just realized I have it played on 2x speed. Lol.

This is a pleasant surprise. I know of Eric's father, Steve Kaufmann, who is an incredible polyglot.

We need to get away from hating people and focus on hating ideas. This automatically creates a dialogue where a discussion can be had which is the missing piece in my opinion.

Thank you for making and sharing your videos with us!!!

Hello Jordan, thank you for insight

If focusing at correcting "wokism" in Canada. I think we need to start with removing the postmodernist undertones in the Canadian constitution act (charter of rights and freedoms). I would motion to remove multiculturalism and replace it with multiethnism or multiethnic. The idea that every culture or value system under the sun can function effectively within the same borders completely defeats the concept of a country. Anything Pierre Trudeau brought to fruition planted the seed for what we are experiencing with his son today.

So glad I have watched this and bookmarked it to return to again one day when I want to pull all of this discussion by different people focused on different areas into a grand synthesis - that's the dream. Everything about the interview was perfect. In 1.5 hours, one has a great 'laying out' of the ideas and the take on issues. Kaufman is doing great work. He has far to go in terms of reaching the public and this show will help him to achieve that reach.

Misplaced maternal instinct!! Yes!! Thank you !!! I have been trying to my finger on this, as an explanation for the rise of wokeism for many years now. Great discussion. Mr Perteson, this chap seemed to extend you intellectually in a way that I have not seen for a while. If woman’s emotions are turned in by a dominant ideology, of course it’s STULL within, or from (?) their misplaced familiial biological structure.

Yes! Displaced maternal instinct! I became an elementary school teacher to appease my maternal instinct. I even joined Big Brothers-Big Sisters with one of my students. DNA is a fierce biological agent.

A problem well explained is half solved. Thank you!!!!

Dr. Peterson, I am extremely grateful that you conduct these interviews. As a female who graduated high school in 2004 in the US, I am not at all surprised to hear that there was a large shift to the left in that demographic. Despite the fact that I attended a relatively conservative school in a near city farming community, I can personally recall emotion based teaching in elementary school and indoctrination under the guise of learning argumentative presentation skills in the 7th grade. This was primarily caused by the resources that we were steered towards that were allegedly neutral, but were not neutral in reality. I worked in public school finance for two different school districts over the last six years. Schools in my state are partly funded based upon the number of students in attendance and the socio-economic status of those students. The district I worked for that had the larger percentage of low income students received a great deal more funding from federal sources, and I believe consequently, contained more woke adjacent ideology and emotion based decision making in its elementary classes. From this standpoint I wonder if changing the system to allow the money for educating a child to follow that child, whether it be to a charter school, private school or homeschool, would help to force our public education system to compete. In that way the school would be financially incentivised to compete for the trust of the parents and for quality educational offerings. What are your thoughts on this? I have also noticed that the political correctness and nice before logical idealogical foundation for woke dogma is extremely pervasive and difficult to root out once established. As such, our teachers, most of whom no doubt want to be a helpful to our youth, through their required teacher certification are often seemingly unaware of the effect their educational indoctrination has had on their base level thinking and they them pass it on unaware of what that type of thinking is making way for. Lastly, I have to wonder if the shock of going from rainbows and butterflies thinking to the harsh reality of the world and its history is not, in part, responsible for the rebelliousness we see in our young people as they transition into higher education. I wonder what that transition looked like before all fairytales had happy endings. Do you know if there is any research in this area out there?

very very interesting guest and conversation! thank you both gentelmen

This is an intelligent conversation between two very solid thinkers. However, what are the potential solutions to fix what has been broken in our world due to the mass indoctrination. What we need is a list of solutions and a call to the people to start a process of moving in different direction before it's TOO late for us all.

Really interesting exchange of ideas and dialogue. I appreciated this podcast.

About the danger of equality of outcomes, "Harrison Bergeron" from Kurt Vonnegut is a great short story

Peterson is crazy useful but the amount of ads nonsubscribers have to listen to is staggering. He knows the power he holds. Thx for the content

Neither Jordan nor Eric seemed to fully get it: the divide is not between young women and older women; it is between unmarried women and married women. Jordan got close when he talked about the out of control, misplaced compassion displayed by younger women who are childless when they shouldn’t be. Really worth reflecting on.

Why do the masses walk on eggshells *for a minute percentage of the population ?* 🤔. We *shouldn't !!!!*

I feel so grateful for Peterson. I can feel his sense of duty to express his cultivated diamond like opinion with us. I sense his constant exhaustion and feel immensely grateful to hear his words. Happy Father’s Day Peterson

Thoroughly and extremely enjoyed this riveting discussion. Enlightening and surprisingly (given the level of knowledge and expertise) easy to follow and understand.

What is said about the K-12 education system is spot on. Precisely why we made the decision to home school back in the 1990s. Soooo glad we did.

Love. Dr Peterson.. highly intelligent man ❤🎉😊

informed, interesting discussion gentlemen thankyou for taking the time so to do. We have only the time of our lives, our born value, how and with whom we spend it is the beginning of our journey. Time well spent thankyou for the time here!

As someone who completed my bachelor in primary education in Australia, these are some of the countless reasons I will be homeschooling my son.

Awesome 🙌🏽

I'm proud to say, as a 65-year-old woman, and a Progressive, I never bought into Black Lives Matters, not for a moment. And that was going against a very big tide.

Let's take a minute to appreciate these two incredible men for their courage and wisdom!

Yep, this didn't happen overnight. This is the latest stage, in the US, at least, of the development of ideas introduced in the1880s/90s by American academics returning from study in Europe, especially Germany. These are the Statist ideas that we call progressivism. They have been advancing at various rates ever since. And in the 60s, from the academy, they began to spread to and take over other areas of the culture-news media, entertainment media, public education.

Hello from North Carolina

An excellent discussion, Dr Peterson's interviews on Monday and Thursday nights never disappoint. The left wing domination of education and educational policy has been so damaging and will be very hard to dismantle, having initiated in the 1960s. However it is great to hear about the progress being made in Florida. The LGBTQ ideology needs to kept out of schools, in the UK trans activists are still being allowed into primary schools to confuse and indoctrinate the children. The UK civil service isn't really neutral I'm afraid, it is definitely politicised to the left. Thanks to Dr Peterson and Eric Kaufmann. Much appreciated. 👍👍👍❤

A great discussion with important points from the sociological and psychological perspectives. A very complex set of difficulties and an even more complex set of solutions to enact and see through to the finish line.

Thanks!

"When Life hands you a Lemon, you make Lemonade". All the misfortunes are opportunities to learn and be better.❤

Please, can someone interview Tom Woods and the homeschooling , Ron Paul curriculum. I’m in the camp of destroying the entire public education system. Imagine, a system created by the union(government) that’s supposed to protect our rights to move freely and take personal risk to pursue our development, has created the Teachers Unions. For me that’s an oxymoron, a union to protect employees from the union who is “protecting” us…. I don’t see any system more optimal for humans to be educated(how to think) than Montessori and Socratic method, and to persevere that curiosity until death.

Excellent discussion. These two need to come together again as we work through the craziness in our country.

Thank you both for a very interesting conversation, from a former Californian in Israel.

I just listened to this guy on Louis Perry as well!

Respect Jordan 😊❤

Glad I listened to the end.

This conversation was so insightful, building on some great insights that I realised by listening to Jordan Peterson and his guests prior to today.

Great topic!

Jordan, would you be interested in getting Nigel Farage on your show? Such a massive fan of you and him. Would be like two of my personal heroes having a talk! 😁 I think that would be the best evening dinner guest line up ... Nigel, yourself and Tammy! It would be awesome.

I really enjoyed this conversation. Thank you both!

The confusion of young women as opposed to older is caused by fatherlessness.

amazing and thank you

My conclusion also: More than 10 years ago I was chatting after church with my former pastor. I told him the same thing: all these childless young women, lefty-types, found their driving influence, their impulse, for radical policies in the fact of their not ever having had children of their own. They were made for motherhood, which they soundly abjured, became frustrated, and unwittingly adopted behaviors which to some extent satisfied their natural instincts to nurture, guide, and teach. Motherhood gone away. Am pleased to learn I was not far off the mark. Ages ago, when I was in junior and senior high school, we girls had to take some "domestic classes." I took sewing and cooking (both of which I love doing today). When I watch the show "Super Nanny," I often think how helpful it could be for secondary schools to offer "parenting" classes. Is it my imagination or was the reason given for not offering such classes was that doing so would prompt/incite promiscuity? But later, when sex ed became nearly mandatory, there was no such consideration -- it was full-steam ahead. I'm not writing a pamphlet so I'll leave it at that.

All makes sense.....Bill Maher has often asked "what's going on with young women?" I h a ve often asked the same. This discussion clarifies a lot for me.

The cluster B description by Peterson here is so succinct and helpful.

❤✝🌈 *“If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first.* *If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own.* *As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world.* That is why the world hates you. 20 Remember what I told you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master. If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. - John 15:18-20

Eric is such a fantastic intellectual. Love his work.

Paradoxically, most of us older people were 'fortunate' enough to have real struggles and hardship in our lives. And so we didn't turn into insufferable victims. As labour strengthens the body, trails strengthen the mind.

Run for Prime Minister. I'll vote for you.

Very emotional and ground up? No wonder young women are eating it up.

Peterson was spot on when he suggested "misplaced maternal instinct" was a driving force behind some young women's drive/opinions/values. 💯‼️💯🎯

(47:09) What self-esteem actually is In fact, what you mean is: Self-Esteem = Extraversion - Neuroticism; if you have a high level of extraversion and a low level of neuroticism, then you have a high self-esteem. It can be seen as another word for emotional stability + assertiveness.

Jordan needs to talk to Yale psychologist Paul Bloom. His book Against Empathy: a case for rational compassion, is what they're talking about in the beginning

The “something has happened to women” is that we’ve had dysfunctional parents ie fathers, which haven’t given us the space to safely develop emotionally. That’s why these “compassionate” women are propagating this culture war.

In Alberta Canada the educational money follows the child. This has led to a number of chart schools with focuses on a variety of talents and philosophy. The public schools compete with these schools because of the provincial testing which ensures all schools are achieving the traditional skills and knowledge stated in provincial curriculums. This permits parents to have an active part in educational decisions and keeps the mediocrity which infects unions at bay.

Excellent video.

On August 29, 2014, after having suffered race based vitriolic hate and an attack on my son that almost killed him, I WAS SENT HOME FOR RACISM...I was the only white person in my department and one of less that 10 white people at the place of employment.