History of Talisman Part Two | Remakes and Franchises!

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Part two of the the history of the legendary fantasy boardgame tackles the very Games Workshop 3rd edition designed by Jervis Johnson in the early 90's before getting into the 4th edition, the 4th edition, and then the 4th edition! Black Industries, Fantasy Flight Games, and Pegasus Spiele all got involved in the most recent version of the game, as well as it's mammoth roster of expansions!
And then there's the franchise versions - Warhammer: 40,000, Disney Kingdom Hearts, Batman, Star Wars, and Harry Potter - as well as the video games! This is is a big one!
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Chapters:
00:00 Open
00:49 Introduction
02:07 3rd Edition
10:20 4th Edition
18:30 Relic - the 40k Talisman
21:44 Video Games, Legendary Tales, and Roleplaying!
24:49 Kingdom Hearts
26:04 Batman
27:46 Star Wars
29:40 Harry Potter
31:40 Summary
33:07 I'll Be Waiting for a Toad
Links & Sources:
Robert & Deborah Harris Website - www.harris-authors.com/
Talisman Island - www.talismanisland.com
Stuff of Legends - www.solegends.com
BoardGameGeek - www.boardgamegeek.com
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@matthewjarvis3103 Жыл бұрын

Once again, another excellent production. I love these 'history of' videos as they are like a familiar walk down a GW memory lane. Keep then coming

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

I’m glad! I’ve got a few videos coming up that are a little different, and have plenty of histories in the pipeline!

@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t Жыл бұрын

A few years before I started at Glasgow University, the Games Society occasionally ran a Talisman themed pub crawl. Essentially, players split into teams and gain 'xp' by defeating monsters (pints of beer or cider) or spirits, and lose lives by vomiting. The goal towards the end of the night being to enter the 'Dragon's Tower' (the Strathclyde University Union on John Street, which had obtained an extra 5 mazzanine levels by chicanery when the adjoining James Weir building was expanded in the 70's), and conqeur some more booze. At this point, many of the mechanisms by which some characters gained extra points for the team are... questionable. Orcs and goblins maybe aren't so bad (befriend a wolf/rescue a shopping trolley from the Kelvin); the Barbarian, being fearless, was always obliged ordered a pint and a chaser every round, which doesn't seem like it would be encouraged these days; the troll could score points by vomiting; in theory, anyone could gain points by acquiring 'the princess' as a follower (don't think that needs explaining, but it does say a lot about the assumptions that were made about their membership); the assassin had to acquire a packet of Smarties and attempt to 'poison' other players... you can imagine that would go down like a lead ballon.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

The dangerous and inebriating games of a miss-spent university education - I know that well. Sounds like it was quite a time, glad that some of the dodgier stuff has since been rethought, but the rest sounds pretty inventive!

@JamesMartin-bc8xq 10 ай бұрын

Games workshop of the 90s , just brilliant and so fun… no Fomo pre ordering nightmares, and so much good value. I miss those GW days.

@dannyeccles1894 Жыл бұрын

It's 3rd edition Talisman that I remember best. That was the issue I tried Anne that dragon set is iconic. I wish I still had them.

@martynjones3978 7 ай бұрын

Nah not embarrassing that was pretty cool secret part 😂😂😂

@batjutsu Жыл бұрын

Thanks for another great and detailed overview 😀 Toad, Toad, Squeak-Squeak 🎶🐸🐀🌠 🎶

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@Mr_Waffle. Жыл бұрын

Finally got a chance to watch this one. I had no idea the game was still being released Monopoly-gimmick style! Toad! Toad! Toad!

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

It’s wild just how many versions are out there now! Toad!!

@harveydents Жыл бұрын

Loving these vids Jordan. As a YANK Anglophile Boardgamer (since 1977) its excting to hear the histories behind these wondeful games!

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this, glad you’re enjoying them!

@skeletorrobo Жыл бұрын

Great video. I first played 2nd edition with a friend and memories of that prompted me to buy the 3rd edition and expansions back in the day. I still have it (except for the Tower - BGG has a 2d substitute) I also got all the expansions for the digitial edition of 4th edition Talisman a few years back. You may not be aware, but there were a number of diigital exclusive expansions for 4th edition including The Clockwork Kingdom Expansion combine elements to make super weapons The Ancient Beasts Expansion Rules for 8 gigantic monsters (some stalking) that have different powers and end of game conditions. The Realm of Souls Expansion If killed enter the realm of souls to recover with new followers, items and end conditions. I think the problem of too long games can be solved for the physical game at least by starting with double craft and strength and gold. My two coins.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

I didn’t come across these, I’m sorry to have missed them! Thanks for sharing

@godofzombi Жыл бұрын

I have Relic and 4th edition Talisman with the Dragon and 4 "corner" expansions aswell as Harbinger, Bloodmoon and Firelands. It certainly can be random: During our first playtrough we had one player draw the Magic stream card and Fountain of wisdom on his next turn and spent his turns going between the two of them gaining strenght and craft every turn.

@chillialexander Жыл бұрын

I really like relic; I love the three different decks idea that focus on the different stats and xenos. I think the mission cards are an awesome mechanic too, they give you purpose throughout.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

The greatest strength of Talisman is that it is so wildly unbalanced for everyone that it becomes balanced if you play it often enough!

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

There's some really creative additions in Relic, it definitely feels unfairly overlooked to me

@godofzombi Жыл бұрын

@@jordansorcery My guess is that untill then Talisman had been primarily fantasy based and Talisman fans didn't care for the grim dark sci-fi, of 40K and 40k players need all their money for their armies and codexes and paint and... Either that or, as the two games were in production at the same time they sorta cannibalised each other and people didn't think they needed to own both. What I found interesting was the Adepta Sororita bust was the first new Sisters of Battle model released in decades.

@keepcalmandre-roll5480 Жыл бұрын

Great part 2 :) The introduction cracked me up :)😂

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Maybe I'll start that rock histories channel one day!

@lotsofspoons Жыл бұрын

OMG that screenshot of the GW website of old at 8:19 is like a portal into my teenage years 😮. Man … the portal to my teenage years looks dinky 😅.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Looking at old websites really does the strangest thing, it’s so hard to believe they were real, and yet it’s simultaneously like you’re right back on there!

@Jackalblade9 Жыл бұрын

Wow, so much to take in on this one. I genuinely had no idea how far-reaching Talisman was. As one whose primary focus is on RPGs I'm really curious about that Pegasus Spiele one. And I'd absolutely love to see a DC RPG history from you, sir. Awesome work, as always.

@chillialexander Жыл бұрын

I have the rpg and my friends and I really enjoy it. It's a 3d6 base with one dice being a kismet (fate) dice. We're two years into a campaign and less than a quarter way round the map (based on the board of Talisman).

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! I was surprised by just how much Talisman there actually was out there! The idea of a DC RPG history is very tempting - a great excuse to spend some time with some of my favourite heroes!

@joshshoberg8598 Жыл бұрын

Fun story: Back in the 90's my buddy had the second edition with an expansion or two that we played all the time here in the US. He lost a few pieces, reached out to Games Workshop to see if they could replace them, and they said of course, no problem. What my friend got instead was an entire box full of expansions and other insane goodies, many of which he has gifted to me and all live in a heavily-used original set of boxes. The fact that they did all of that for free has always put them in a high place in my memory so not only did they crank out fun stuff, but they were pretty damn good to their fans.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

That sounds amazing! I wonder if it was a shipping error or if some kindly customer service person wanted to make things 'right'!

@kayosiiii Жыл бұрын

It was the art that drew me to the second edition of the game and every version since has failed to live up to it in that respect. A themed Princess Mononoke or Nausicaa set would probably get me exited.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Gary Chalk's art is just incredible! The 3rd edition is a very different and acquired taste for sure, but it does fill me with nostalgia for my early days in Games Workshop. Those are fantastic suggestions - I'd thoroughly love to see a Mononoke version!

@Jimalcoatl Жыл бұрын

I started reading the Talisman Adventures TTRPG this week. It's a really neat RPG that despite never really getting into the board game, I really want to play.

@chillialexander Жыл бұрын

Definitely worth it!

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

It looks really interesting! How are you finding it in comparison to other contemporary fantasy RPGs, so far?

@Jimalcoatl Жыл бұрын

@@jordansorcery The closest game is probably Fantasy AGE mechanically as both are 3d6 with one die being special. The cool thing about Talisman Adventures is that it's mostly player facing. NPCs never roll to attack. Players roll to attack and if they fail they are hit by the enemy and if they get a basic success (hitting the enemy's threat rating, but not rolling any doubles) they hit the enemy, but the enemy hits them for a weak hit. Any enemies that were not engaged attack and the player makes a defense roll which works the same as the player's attack, bit the player can't do damage on a success. The coolest thing is that an enemy who is engaged multiple times a turn by different players gets multiple chances to counter attack so players are disincentivized from dog piling monsters like in other TTRPGs, allowing for each PC to have their cinimatic one on one with a monster, or a single boss to not be screwed into uselessness by action economy.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

That sounds really cool. I quite like the idea behind that combat approach - certainly makes it sound tactically very interesting and lower mental load for the GM in some ways too!

@Jimalcoatl Жыл бұрын

@@jordansorcery Yeah, it'll definitely make encounter design different from D&D type games.

@marcraygun6290 Жыл бұрын

My wife found a copy of 4th edition which had been played once along with unplayed city,dungeon and dragon expansion in barnardos for 80 quid, I have only played it once as barely fits on my table

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

I’m not surprised, those expansions are a real table space sponge! Amazing find that though!

@caseycbenn Жыл бұрын

Man, this is the most fun board game youtube channel yet. Haha, hope you do a Wiz~War retrospective... especially since Jackson just re-did it. Thanks for these Talisman documentaries. :D

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much, really appreciate the kind words! Wiz-War is a very good suggestion, might have to give it a proper look at some point!

@volkarve Жыл бұрын

Thanks for Part 2, you did not disappoint! I started playing the 3rd edition and still have the game/ expansion

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

I'm glad! After spending some time with the concept of Talisman again for these videos I find myself very tempted to pick up 3rd edition! All those skulls and wonderous bits of art really appeal!

@Michael.Virtus Жыл бұрын

28:42 - Sithadel 😄

@spritefroggy 10 ай бұрын

Woah, the production quality and presentation on this was so grat, that I just assumed this had a million or so views halfway through the video. Definitely deserves more!

@LaBibliotecaEterna Жыл бұрын

I will not lie, I never found Talisman as an intersting game but after your two videos now am intriged

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

For me it only really works as a super casual beer and pretzels game. The randomness and sometimes unreasonable length can be frustrating if anyone at the table takes it too seriously! But there’s definitely fun in the stories and nonsense that occurs during play!

@LaBibliotecaEterna Жыл бұрын

@@jordansorcery looks like and the skin franchises editions seems to work on that way but its cool. Also are you planing a video about GW and FFGs partnership and how it abruply ends killing some of the mpst wonderfull Warhammer Games ?

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

I do have an FFG x GW video on the pad as it touches on so many great games. It’s fallen a little way down the priority list though for now!

@rodneykelly8768 Жыл бұрын

Multiple game boards, takes days or weeks to play, even back when I was playing it, my thoughts were, "Well that's a good start, but how are we going to expand on it?"

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

FFG looked at a full weekend of play time for the base game and said "we're going to need this to last at least 10 times longer"!

@grahamfroggatt4530 Жыл бұрын

WILD gags in this episode, Jordan!!

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Here's hoping they didn't get too wild! You may have to rein me in if they do!

@chillialexander Жыл бұрын

I grew up on my parents 1st edition, bought third edition plus expansions, then got hold of 2nd plus all expansions (bar the dragons), then got the black industries' 4th, then relic (which is criminally underrated!) and finally the rpg as a pdf which my friends and I are 2 years into a campaign I GM. Some might say I quite like Talisman. Excellent video, thorough research, thank you!

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

My pleasure! It's awesome when you find that game that just clicks with you, isn't it! One of my favourite things in tabletop is seeing how games I love get revisited and reinvented over time

@AlVainactual Жыл бұрын

One of the reasons I never picked up Relic, even though I was getting into 40k at the time it was coming out, was the lack of actual miniatures for the game. I had always suspected it was for licensing reasons and it's nice to get confirmation

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

The busts are nice, but it’s a real shame

@stevenkennedy4130 9 ай бұрын

What a neat & fun ride! Thanks for the share!!

@Darthborg Жыл бұрын

Ty for doing these videos. It means a lot.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

It has been my pleasure to put them together! Really glad you've enjoyed them!

@Palooka37 Жыл бұрын

This was great. Don't suppose there's room for a part 3 where you cover the talisman models in more detail is there? The Halfling model from that range is probably one of my all time favourite early plastics.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! That’s not a bad shout, there are some really fun minis for Talisman. It’s not something I’ve got planned at the moment, but you never know in the future! Love that Halfling mini!

@life09m Жыл бұрын

my intro to the series was the kingdom hearts version since i grew up with that franchise and bought anything with its name on it lmaooo it was sitting on my shelf for years till this video and now i cant stop playing it with my family and made changes to be able to play solo !!!

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

I’m glad I could help you get it to the table!

@jezhunt8394 Жыл бұрын

Top work again! Loads of stuff there I didn't realise.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Cheers Jez!

@rubopinal Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your fantastic videos! Cant wait for the next one

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Good stuff, glad you've been enjoying them!

@sesmry Жыл бұрын

You missed my favourite 3rd edition extra character: The Cave Squig. Great video mate. Legend

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Thanks! That’s a great choice for favourite tbf, love me some squigs!

@samt9387 6 ай бұрын

Great vid! 👍

@timstreet6680 Жыл бұрын

Great series. Thank you. Thanks also for the mention 🙂

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

My pleasure, thanks Tim! Did you end up working on anything similar after GW stepped in on the Talisman game?

@mattl_ Жыл бұрын

Great video again! Keep up the good work Jordan

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Thanks Matt, I'll keep trying!

@necrom6666 Жыл бұрын

Very instructive!, thanks Jordan for a little piece of gaming history. Greetings from Spain!.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

My pleasure! Gracias for watching!

@Aphex26 Жыл бұрын

Fantastic content Jordan, keep it up!

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Thank you, I'll do my best!

@slavaukraini1991 Жыл бұрын

Its strange I always wondered what happened to Talisman after seeing that 3rd edition effort box at my local store. I dont ever remember seeing GW have the 4th edition or expansions on the shelf...such was the narrowing obsession with 40k, fantasy and LOTR

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

GW have a few pages on Talisman on their website, but I'm not sure if they ever stocked 4th directly - its interesting how 'hands off' they seemed after the Black Industries version ended

@dysonraf Жыл бұрын

Never played talisman but was glued to these videos on its history! Kind of wish I'd got into it now! Not sure what future videos you've got coming up but would love to see you do some on GW specialist games that have came and gone over the years (some in controversial circumstances). Epic/Space Marine was one were each edition obliterated the previous and left a fractured player base playing a number of different systems before they eventually dropped support on what seemed very popular. Also looking at necromunda and the new refresh, mordheim, blood bowls etc etc Whatever you're doing I'll end up watching anyway as its all great content 👌

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much, these are kind words indeed! Epic is a great idea, not something I’m currently planning, but one I’d love to get to at some point - there’s a lot of interesting history there! I’ll be talking a little about a couple of the (many!) projects I’ve got coming up in my next video

@jameswhitehouse5706 Жыл бұрын

Really great content here. I’ve only played 1st and 2nd edition way back in the day. Time to play it again

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Glad I could help get the game back to the table!

@dathill Жыл бұрын

I’ve loved these Talisman videos. As a child and teenager I played the 2nd edition and I’m going to look at buying it if it’s not too expensive

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

I’m glad you enjoyed them, thank you!

@mazubahtender Жыл бұрын

Talisman: Warhammer, but all the player characters are various kinds of Skaven.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

You are squeaking my language!

@aquilaprimedesign Жыл бұрын

I found a freight pallet full of brand new copies of Relic at a discount clothing/unclaimed freight/thrift shop in Abilene, Texas for $5 EACH. I gave them out as gifts over the next few years. They also had a few copies of Warhammer Quest: TACG and (outside of Forbidden Stars), my favorite Fantasy Flight/GW co-op: Blood Bowl: Team Manager. My wife dragged me there to look for purses and she (rightfully) never let's me forget this.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Haha, sounds like the best shopping trip possible! I'd be forever going into every discount store I could though - chasing that same high!

@Hey_McG Жыл бұрын

My wife saw there is a Kingdom Hearts Talisman and now really wants it 😄 Personally I'd love a version of Talisman based on the Borderlands series of video games

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

I’ve come so close to picking up the Batman one, but my partner wants Kingdom Hearts too! They’ve created the perfect trap!

@michaprzezm3787 5 ай бұрын

talisman 5th edition is near! :)

@jordansorcery 5 ай бұрын

Exciting news! (Though it means a part three may be necessary at some point!)

@TheCoates1980 Жыл бұрын

Thought this was going to be a cross over episode with Metal School for a minute. Haven’t heard a Talisman band reference for a good long while

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Talisman provided the perfect soundtrack for writing this video - almost wish I could have put more about the band in there!

@kerilawrence2669 Жыл бұрын

Literally just finished watching Ep1! Great timing and thanks for all this hard work.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

My pleasure! Hope you enjoy the second part!

@danroberts007 Жыл бұрын

You nailed it again, Jordan. What a great 2-parter (3-parter?). I've got the Black Industries edition and bought the first few expansions from FFG, stopping with The Dungeon. I've only played the game a few times... I'd say "sadly" but I'm not so sure about that. We've never finished a single attempt; everyone has eventually succumbed to Talisman-fatigue and we've just given up. Some day, a hero will raise the Crown of Command onto their head, but today is not that day.

@danroberts007 Жыл бұрын

Oh, and I have all those little boxes of GW miniatures from the mid-90's you showed. I was (and am) crazy for Warhammer Quest, so I picked all those up at the time as "backups" for WHQ. It was only much later that I realized some of those sculpts were from Talisman.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

As much as Talisman is a great leveller that everyone can pick up and play together, that Monopoly-like danger of an unending game is ever present! It can sometimes just be impossible to get finished!

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Love those little boxes, wish I'd picked a few up when I had the chance!

@mrhades652 Жыл бұрын

I'm new to the channel, but I gotta say, you're smashing it. Great stuff dude.

@juliestead6888 Жыл бұрын

Totally agree, it's just brilliant

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Thank you, really appreciate the kind words!

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@juliestead6888 Жыл бұрын

Truelly a fab channel .

@jamestoney6108 6 ай бұрын

they should totally do a dr who version of talisman

@danbrown2473 Жыл бұрын

Drachenfels. Awesomely hard adventure to run and quest in. Never really got into Talisman. Never appealed to me the way some other games had.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

I've never played Castle Drachenfels, but from reading it I expect it to be tough! Talisman is an interesting one to me, it's not a favourite of mine, but I've really softened on it over time - mostly I think because I stopped taking games as seriously as I used to!

@danbrown2473 Жыл бұрын

@@jordansorcery I demod it a number of times when GW released in the 90's. Was more of a rank and flank gamer. Shame on group near playing it now. Or at least a group I know about. Older board games like these have a certain something others lack. I like dredball, but prefer BLood Bowl.

@ivan55599 3 ай бұрын

You forgot one. Talisman with realm of chaos (80's) board.

@unclemontypython 10 ай бұрын

Was your local GW the Alty one by any chance? We probably passed each other in there in about 1996! Such great memories of that place. Sadly it moved up the road a decade or so back.

@jordansorcery 10 ай бұрын

It was! Such a brilliant community and store back then!

@ziploc2000 8 ай бұрын

I bought the original edition in the original Games Workshop store in Hammersmith in 1983, took it to university with me in 1984, and my friends and I played it a lot, along with the dungeon, city and timescape expansions. I was a regular visitor to that GW store (I lived in Ealing at the time). I also still have my original 1st Edition copy of The Warlock of Firetop Mountain bought in that store, and a lot of other gaming stuff, but alas I let my Lone Wolf books go. The endgame was the weakest part of the game. we all enjoyed adventuring round the outer areas, but it gets really boring heading to the Crown of Command. I'm glad to see the designers realized that too, and added various alternatives to liven it up.

@NisGaarde Жыл бұрын

"Warhammerian" 👌 Perfect

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

I’ll admit, I was pleased with that!

@Viehzerrer Жыл бұрын

The RPG is currently available for free on Drivethru and Pegasus Digital (essentially the same, since it's "Powered by OneBookShelf"). Comments there also clarify that while Pegasus has lost the rights for the boardgame, they will still continue the RPG. I have somewhat mixed feelings about Talisman. On hand one, I want to like it, but it seems to have too much RNG and sessions can drag on forever, making it kinda like a fantasy Monopoly. But I've only played the game solo on Steam, it might be better with other people.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

I didn’t know that about the RPG, thanks for sharing! I share some of those feelings about the board game, the Monopoly comparison seems apt. Though like Monopoly the game can be a great way to get people together in a way that levels the playing field - it removes too much mental load or strategic play in favour of an excuse to laugh and chat along with friends! So I like it for that at least!

@blissfulbadger Жыл бұрын

Toads!

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

And then some!

@nikoladedic6623 Жыл бұрын

Post in Community Update: mobile version is free until the end of May. Quickly.

@TrentRosenbaum Жыл бұрын

This two parter was great and crazy to think how it keeps getting a fresh life with the different settings. So just to understand, (and I was building model while watching) GW still own the game and just license it out after all this time? I only knew about the 3rd edition with the minis and so didn't know about its past and what it has become. A friend years ago said did I use to play it and I said no, but when I described the 3rd edition she looked at me like I had just come from another world. I love the references to the other videos and it feels like it is all coming together!

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Thanks! That's right, the Talisman game is still owned by GW, but they have licensed it out to FFG and Pegasus Spiele in recent years for them to produce the most recent versions. I'm guessing it was because GW don't really publish traditional board games these days so didn't want to do it themselves. That said, I didn't realise it when recording the video, but apparently the deal with Pegasus Spiele came to an end in late 2021, but hasn't been talked about much or replaced. That's why the Revised 4th ed base game is increasingly difficult to get hold of now. I'd expect GW to find another publishing partner sooner or later though, they won't want Talisman off the shelves for long!

@jasonscott8844 Жыл бұрын

I have that white dwarf and the wizard still. Lol

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Fantastic! I've bought and gotten rid of and then rebought so many White Dwarf issues over the years - really wish I'd just kept hold of them all!

@jasonscott8844 Жыл бұрын

I have cupboards of them starting in the 120s. I've missed a few hear and there but it's a fairly compleat collection

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

There’s still a load of gaps in mine, because of my ill judged sell-offs! Working on getting the collection back to strength though!

@anotherzingbo Жыл бұрын

That was an exhausting number of editions and supplements to hear about, it must have been far far more exhausting to enumerate them all! Does GW still hold the IP for Talisman, are they still making money off all these expansions and variant editions, or did it pass into another company's hands at some point?

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

I still can't quite believe how many Talisman games/expansions they've actually released! GW does still own the game and they've been licensing it out for the past few years. I only just discovered, though, that Pegasus Spiele have now lost the rights, so GW will likely be looking for another publishing partner (assuming they don't intend to go back into the 'pure boardgame' business any time soon)

@brennonr 11 ай бұрын

this has to be the most clicks Talisman (band) has seen in years

@jordansorcery 11 ай бұрын

They’ve been waiting

@FNG0000 Жыл бұрын

Been waiting for this also first😁

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Hope it lives up to the wait!

@HectorStratford Жыл бұрын

I hope that they print more copies of the 4th edition soon. Or perhaps it is time for a 5th edition?

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

I’ve no insider info, but it seems really strange for GW to stop making Talisman at this point. Feels like they’ll be looking for another publishing partner or setting something else up sooner rather than later

@godofzombi Жыл бұрын

Visually 3d edition is my favourite. It definatly feels the most Warhammer to me of all the editions and it had those cone pieces. It' doesn't really feel like a Talsiman game to me if it doesn't have cones.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

I really like the art for the 3rd edition. It’s definitely an acquired taste these days, but it really works for me, and yeah, there’s that Warhammer vibe to it all!

@godofzombi Жыл бұрын

@@jordansorcery Who's your favorite Warhammer artist? Mine is Ian Miller.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Back in the day I loved Wayne England’s style (and still do), but over time John Blanche has just grown on me so much. Incredible, creative, and other worldly stuff that defines so much of GW for me now

@godofzombi Жыл бұрын

@@jordansorcery I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that you already own this book, but if not you should definatly check out Ratspike. It's a John blanche and Ian Miller art book from 1989.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

I managed to get a copy of Rat Spike and the Les Edwards Blood & Iron book. All three artists are absolutely spectacular, so much character and history in those pages! Recently acquired Blood on the Reik and that is some of Blanche’s best work I think

@godofzombi Жыл бұрын

I wish I could like this video more than once for that Darth Maul bust being a full miniature! Oh and since you like batman, could you do a vid about Batman: Love letter? 😄

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Ha, glad that joke played ok! I didn't even realise there was a Batman Love Letter! I have the Cthulhu and Legend of the Five Rings version (my favourite) and Love Letter as a broader topic definitely sounds interesting!

@godofzombi Жыл бұрын

@@jordansorcery Yeah, sadly it seems out of print. They should have changed the name tough. It came with these cool Bat symbol tokens to track your score and being able to score points by guessing correctly what an opponent's face down card is with the Batman card is a flavor win. I got the Cthulhu one, great production value.

@JuniperMe Жыл бұрын

Picked up the 3e cheap from a local sale missing a few insignificant parts (sorry Wood Elf) with the Dungeon and City expansions. I think I have a few of the characters from the Dragon Tower, another I bought went MIA in the mail.... Originally just bought it to steal the minis for HQ or Advanced Heroquest homebrews but ended up playing it with the kiddos. It's a fun game, but I think it's funny you say 3e is meant to be streamlined and NOT take hours, maybe we were playing wrong but I don't think we have ever properly finished a game because they have always dragged on way beyond the limits of everyone's ADHD lol, maybe I need to ditch the expansions next time. I've tried to print my own dragon tower but can never get the dimensions right, and end up with one sides dimensions bigger than the others and nothing fits together correctly haha, I'll try again one day, I already have the oldhammer Azhag the Slaughter Wyvern rider, which is pretty much the same dragon once I give Azhag the flick (although all my poor oldhammer is in dire need of repair right now after being neglected through a few house moves, I opened them up last week and saw a bunch of sad loose metal heads and arms looking up at me)

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Azhag is a great proxy! They re-used the Talisman for Arsanil the Dogs of War elf lord as well, though that's not much easier to get hold of than the original now! I think even with the 3rd ed streamlining the game was still very much a Talisman game, i.e. one in which an unlucky combination of rolls and choices could just grant the game eternal life with no winner!

@JuniperMe Жыл бұрын

@@jordansorcery oh that's cool! I love that dogs of war line, I have Golgfags Man-eaters crew from before the Ogres all decided to grow the same moustaches. It's just one of those games then, my youngest has a card game called Muffin Time that has many "troll" cards in the deck that if they appear late into a game and someone plays can be mind bending... "Shuffle the discard pile back into the deck and restart the whole game" 😑

@CesarIsaacPerez 2 ай бұрын

And Hasbro just got the rights to release a 5th edition.

@jordansorcery 2 ай бұрын

Finally a reason to make part three!

@AlVainactual Жыл бұрын

Ι'd probably buy Talisman: Warhammer in a jiffy. If it had proper minis and not busts.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

I’d be in for either, but would love some dramatic minis to go with it!

@AlVainactual Жыл бұрын

@Jordan Sorcery I'm a mini goblin and while I do love painting some busts I'm all down for some cool dramatically posed minis I can reuse on other games

@godofzombi Жыл бұрын

I like to think it's set somewhere in the Border princes in the Old World of Warhammer.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Love this idea; or like HQ it could be one of those ancient fables & legends that’s been forgotten or warped over time.

@godofzombi Жыл бұрын

@@jordansorcery Maybe the Dragon king is Kalgalanos the black?

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

This is a great shout!

@marcraygun6290 Жыл бұрын

Talking of gw games from 80s later taken over by ffg, go on do fury of dracula

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

I've got the 1st edition waiting to be played soon - I am certain that will inspire me to put something together on it!

@kimr1508 Жыл бұрын

Pegasus Spiele lost the license for Talisman the board game, that is why expansions can be difficult to find (at least in Europe) . From what I have been able find online, some people say Games Workshop will start printing Talisman themselves. Still revised 4th edition box but with no logo in the bottom right corner. But I have not seen any official news about it. Great "history of" videos 👍👏

@mattl_ Жыл бұрын

I emailed GW recently and they said nobody is making the original game right now.

@kimr1508 Жыл бұрын

@@mattl_ Thanks for your reply. Sad news for people who want to get into Talisman. That also makes me even more happy about that I completed my Pegasus Spiele Talisman collection 2 weeks ago - the City expansion was the last one I needed, a bit overpriced because of delivery from another country, but I feared, that I would never get it 😀

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Oh wow, I hadn’t realised this, thanks for sharing it. I’d seen that it was difficult to get the base game, but it’s surprising GW haven’t lined up a new publisher already given the game’s success over the years

@kimr1508 Жыл бұрын

@@jordansorcery yes, very unlike GW to say no to money. So bit of a mystery why they have not found another publisher.

@danroberts007 Жыл бұрын

@@kimr1508 I'm sure they'll either find somebody to do it or do it themselves in the next few years. They never leave money on the table for long.

@genewilliamson7164 Жыл бұрын

Great job again, this is the type of content I subscribed to your channel for. But you missed the Dragon Expansion for the fourth edition which was nothing like the previous version and for me really broke the game.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Thank you, I'm glad! I managed to squeeze in a quick mention of the 4th edition Dragon expansion and the double sided centre board, but it was pretty brief - there was just so many expansions to cover! What about it broke the game for you?

@genewilliamson7164 Жыл бұрын

@@jordansorcery I completely understand your reasoning and you kind of answered your own question, if you ever tried to use everything for the game, the 4th ed dragons expansion was what would be the breaking point for everything, high-power monsters added that would decimate starting characters and the dragon scales mechanic seemed really long and clunky. Keep up the great work, from a fellow old-time GW collector. (Owner of a mint in blister chaos toilet)

@Geekaylee Жыл бұрын

I think that the toad art was reused from the 3rd ed Bloodbowl expansion Deathzone

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Ha, awesome! Would never put it past GW to reuse art, especially when its as fantastic as that toad!

@Matt-ur3dm Жыл бұрын

Toad, toad, toad

@danroberts007 Жыл бұрын

That sounds likely, as once upon a time a Blood Bowl wizard could turn a player into a Toad, instead of just casting Fireball or Lightning Bolt. "Back in my day, wizards had to learn THREE spells!" Lol.

@Geekaylee Жыл бұрын

@@danroberts007 they took out toad from Bloodbowl?! Nuffle is not pleased...

@danroberts007 Жыл бұрын

@@Geekaylee Yes, a long time ago. I even ran a small tournament once where I put the rule back in ‘cause it’s so fun. Toad! Toad! Toad!

@franciscoguerra5439 Жыл бұрын

It's funny, I've always been all over GW games, but I remember trying Talisman more than once, across multiple editions, and it just never "clicked". It always felt too random and just, I dunno... almost Monopoly-like. Oddly enough, I tried and absolutely loved Relic, to the point that I ended up buying the game itself and both expansions. The dice mitigation mechanics, amazing production values, and the overall flow of the adventure just felt a lot more natural. I realise I'm in the minority here, but still worth putting my hand up for Relic.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

I think Talisman really does feel different to most other GW games over the years, certainly those after they stopped being a traditional board game publisher. It’s definitely of another era. And I’ll put my hand up next to yours, I’ve got a lot of time for Relic!

@Basil_Ghothickovitch Жыл бұрын

Meanwhile, the Games Workshop continues to celebrate the 40th Anniversary of Warhammer. And today's theme: *Imperial Space Marines!!!* Someone expected 40 years of celebration for "good ol' fantasy" only? BWAHAHAHAHA! It's all Warhammer! And Warhammer is for everyone!

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

I'm enjoying these little retrospectives they are putting out - though I'd love if they were longer/more detailed!

@sesmry Жыл бұрын

I hate how in big bang theory they are playing an impossible game with way too many characters and toads on the board and they just make up card text. Like the game is cool enough why make it up?

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

It’s a very odd choice, though I’m guessing an unlucky prop master with no idea about the game had to set it up! At least they managed to get plenty of toads in there!