Thank you so much. Im a convert to the church due to curiosity of my native half. Well, I'm being baptized in February 😊. It hits much closer to home considering these events unfolded in North America and weirdly enough, this will push me to continue the scriptures.:D

One of my uncles did a lot of research on the history and locations related to the Book of Mormon over more than 20 years, and he said that there was no evidence that the Book of Mormon events ever took place in South America (Meso-America). He did tell me that the evidence is overwhelming in support of North America locations, specifically in and around the Mid-West. Thank you for all that you do!

What would be wonderful is for you, Rod and Jonathan, to get together with others like Wayne and Bruce, and create a book or consistently styled and authored series of books that cover the evidence that has been gathered so far, so we have it all in one place. Rod's two sets of video presentations are a great source material to start with, as well as the "Prophecies and Promises" book, together with Jonathan's books covering Letter VII and Lost City of Zarahemla and Moroni's America, etc. Some of the books and presentations overlap in their coverage, and many new insights have been discussed in live presentations and videos like this since then, so it would be nice to have one common source to go to that could potentially be be updated every few years with new editions/revisions. Obviously, that would be a massive undertaking.

You guys are the best! I’m forever grateful to you both. I’ve been following you all for several years now. We’ve never met but I wanted to send some love and appreciation from Yuma, AZ. May the Lord bless you both for holding the line and preserving much of our true church history. And not backing down even with much resistance. Hopefully some of us young guns can help assist and carry on your amazing work.

Hello my dear friends, delighted to see you on this podcast. Thank you for your enormous work of research and sharing of knowledge. Gabriel de Paris

So glad to have Rod Meldrum back The Book of Mormon 4 years later will be read differently with the quickly changing times, so another study from you all will still be valuable for sure.

Thank you gentlemen for your hard work and diligence. It is meant a lot to me in my personal journey for more light and knowledge. I wish I could give you both a big hug 🤗

So fantastic! Thank you! ❤

Yeah !!!! You are back

Thank you for this podcast and sharing facts regarding the Book of Mormon. I have come to see over the years that the Book of Mormon history took place in America.

This is cool, I remember watching these while on my mission in AZ. It blew my mind and I just knew something true was going to come from it. Looking forward to these.

I used to be like Jon and assumed it had to be the Mesoamerica theory for Book of Mormon geography. That was what was shoved down our throats by the BYU scholars, Church History people, etc... Then, actually reading the D&C, I began to doubt. I don't delight in it, but here is another black eye for FAIR, Scripture Central, the Church Correlation bureaucrats, most of the BYU "scholars," The Zion Book compilers and on and on. When are they going to swallow their pride and admit they might be wrong? The manipulations of the Wentworth Letter to protect their position really disappoints me. Just present all the evidence and quit cherry picking it!!

These are great! Such a good idea to replay the older documentary and add comments and info, AND the links to the JSP. Thanks very much.

Joseph Smith knew and Rod Meldrum knew that if he left the volume output low, we would all have to pay close attention and listen very carefully. :>)

I just discovered another MAJOR problem with Saints Vol 1 that is probably more egregious than censoring Cumorah. I don't know why I didn't see this until now. In addition to the many issues and deceptions in Saints Vol 1, I have to add another one to the list. As you know, in 1842, Joseph Smith wrote the Wentworth Letter to John Wentworth, publisher of the Chicago Democrat. The Wentworth Letter is one of the greatest documents that Joseph produced short of scripture. Of this classic, Elder B. H. Roberts (1857-1933) of the First Council of the Seventy wrote: “The letter is one of the choicest documents in our church literature." The Wentworth Letter was included in the 2008-2009 Priesthood and Relief Society manuals (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith, covered 2 years). However, 151 words were censored from that letter because the words supported ancient America (this land) as the location for the Book of Mormon. I just discovered that the 1842 Wentworth Letter is not found in Saints Vol 1 (1815-1846) just like Cumorah and Oliver Cowdery's mission to the Lamanites and Joseph's June 1834 letter to Emma about wandering over the plains of the Nephites a day after discovering Zelph's mound. Ironically, the subtitle of Vol 1 is "The Standard of Truth" which is stated in the WL. Joseph begins the letter with this caution. "Mr. Wentworth says that he wishes to furnish Mr. [George] Barstow, a friend of his, who is writing the history of New Hampshire, with this document. As Mr. Barstow has taken the proper steps to obtain correct information, all that I shall ask at his hands, is, that he publish the account entire, ungarnished, and without misrepresentation.” Unfortunately, Mr. Barstow never used the history because he ended his New Hampshire history in 1819. However, how blessed we are to have this document in the possession of the church. Scholars violated Joseph Smith's terms twice--in the PH/RS manuals and in Saints Vol 1. This is more than an oxymoron--it's blatant deception. In Saints Vol 1, on the page after the copyright date and the Library of Congress verbiage is the following famous quote from the Wentworth Letter without attributing it as the source. The standard of truth has been erected. No unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished and the great Jehovah shall say the work is done. -Joseph Smith, 1842 This Wentworth Letter included the 13 Articles of Faith. Another gem from Church History has been censored! Sadly, the scholars plucked this gem from the Wentworth Letter to create the book, "The Standard of Truth" for the subtitle of Saints Vol 1. However, the book if full of deceptions--much worse than I described in my Sep 2023 LOP magazine article.

Good morning Rod from the Heartland! I just finished the video and absolutely cannot wait for part 2. You were correct in your text that this information is impossible to refute. Thanks for all that you do and will see you next time you are in Ohio.

Great show !

Audio is low on this. Very interesting about Oliver’s version being edited

Fantastic video. Very informative.. Well done.

Great job, you two! Great new evidences. Thank you so much for all the time spent in research, and the links to the source documents. Keep up the good work!

I love that painting!! Wish I could hear the video..

Yeah guys! Mr. Neville, I hope your proposed Essay on Translation (for the Gospel Topics Essays) gets approved!

I think it should be obvious that Jesus didn't appear at a temple where they did human sacrifices. Just saying...

Love seeing you back Brother Meldrum!!! Love all your content. It is so frustrating that the church sides with the false Meso narrative and allow the spawns of Leanard Arrington to dictate false history. One question… why were the plates, U&T separated to a separate stone box and not kept in the repository that was later visited as well? Is there anything written on that? I recall Brother Neville talking about how they had to move all those wagon loads of plates in the repository to hide them as well. Do we know where those are now? God bless you both!!!

Over the years, I have received negative feedback for going into "Deep Doctrine".. the term is almost taboo, people always criticizing saying "You don't need to know all that, just stick to the basics!". I realized that there is no such thing as "Deep Doctrine" only doctrine (at least when founded upon truth). I have instead started to refer to it as "Specific Doctrine" and try to stay away from speculations. Thank you for your Podcast! Glad to see it back up and going.

I have followed you guys and am a firm believer. I am just getting into this podcast and you are talking about the Wentworth letter and it just occurred to me that perhaps the reason that the leadership hasn't received prophecy on the location of th BOM is because we already have it from the prophet Joseph! Its right there and undeniably!!

How does one obtain a Gold Plates replica and/or Liahona replica like you have on your shelf. I think our 10 year old Primary class would enjoy seeing those. Thanks

Where do I find a copy of the quote that you had where is said in 30:24 "Book of Mormon is a record of the forefathers of our Western tribes of 30:29 Indians by it we learned that our Western tribes"? I have been searching for it and have been unable to find it.

So glad I stumbled across this. KZfaq algorithm finally gives me something worthwhile. Only complaint -- the volume is very low, I have my PC speaker at max and can just barely hear you...

I purchased a Book of Mormon “the earliest text by royal Skousen”. Anytime you let editors get a hold of sacred text un supervised your asking for trouble. Just like the New Testament.

In addition to the large room that exists in the hill Comorah, which large room is said by Oliver Cowdry to have contained wagonloads of plates, that logically proves the heartland is the Book of Mormon lands, because Maroni did not carry wagonloads of plates from anywhere, Moroni also abridged the Book of Ether directly from the 24 Jaradite plates, so after Mormon gave him the gold plates Maroni went back to where Mormon gave him the plates from and added the book of Ether. This all shows he was in close proximity to the plates of Nephi.

The volume level is super low. Any way to fix the volume?

I know there was Orson Pratt and Orson Hyde. I can't remember which, but I was listening to a Joirnal Of Discourses Brigham Young talk where he described one of the Orson's as a good man who basically was too willing to speak on subjects about which he received no revelation. Very interesting to me when I heard that

I don't think it's about what I believe or anyone else, but it's about FACT. It is what it is. By the way, it's not Stripling Warriors. That is total misinformation and false prophecy. No where in the Book of Mormon does it talk about stripling warriors. I believe there is a significance to that. One is that it is false and false prophesy is slipping into the Church. And second, there is a huge difference between a warrior and a soldier. I encourage you to study the difference and reflect on the purpose and intent behind the reasons why they were referred too actually as "stripling sons" and "stripling soldiers". Nothing about "warrior". Please, don't tell me it's no big deal. Just be careful with letting falsehoods slip in. And about the Book of Mormon land, or its heartland, it is fascinating, but I think the population of this land from north to south America was different than what we know today. There was ongoing trade between the Yucatan's etc and the people in Florida, Georgia and Carolinas. They are finding pyramids in forests in these regions too. So focusing on the heartland is just one focus and should not mean that the Book of Mormon population didn't trade and/or travel and even mingle or mix with people from all over. We don't even know, or actually we believe that it is likely when Nephi and his family landed in the Americas that they were not alone but that the continent was populated. Lot's of fun to consider a vivid living Book of Mormon.

Gerat work. You need to ask people to put likes and let comments. This will help the You tube algorithm to sread the video.

I like the Nauvoo T-shirts you both are wearing in this video. I'm interested to know what the Hebrew characters mean? And where those can be found?

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In chapter 6 of the book of Mormon in the book of Mormon Moroni's father Mormon hid records in the Hill Cumorah before Moroni did. That stood out to me after reading the entire book of Mormon again, l don't know how many times...

Thank you for all the work that you do. Do you have any thoughts on where the two eclipses crossover, and what that might have to do with the Nephites an Lamanites. I had heard from somebody that they thought it might be the land of Zarahemla. Any thoughts?

It doesn't effect my testimony of the Book of Mormon but every since I joined the church in 2005 the Meso American theory never made sense to me! This just rings true! I go by what Joseph had been proven to say himself!

The picture on the front cover can go with the scriptures, Bible and Book of Mormon, of Jesus telling "other sheep I have which are not of this fold".

Thank you for all your work . For some reason the sound is not very loud, also it would be nice if we could see the whole large video being played instead of seeing Jonathan and Rod with it..

Very much respect both you guys and your work! Have to take issue with one comment. Revelation of modern prophets does not supersede revelation of past prophets. That is a false doctrine. One has to be right and one has to be wrong if they contradict each other. Fact is fact, regardless, of what era in which the statement is made. We can call a man a prophet, but if he contradicts a past prophet, then one of them is wrong. Listen to the Holy Ghost. It will tell you that this is true.

What are you talking about? This is super entertaining. Thank you so much for doing this video. For me and many others we think the longer the better. Please don’t make these short just for the sake of it.

So… I’ve been subscribed for… I don’t know how long. I’ve shared the truth with all the friends I have that… you know, I tend to share this when I know they’re either on the fence or they’re already in the MTC camp. And I’m tired of “it doesn’t matter WHERE it took place” responses… because what matters to a lot of people. So maybe I just need to expand my share pool. We’ll see!

Good stuff! But mix your sound up (studio standards) so that we don't have to crank it up to max in order to hear you.

Love your set. Headsets look awkward. No mic stands or boom mics? Even laveliers?

The Cherokee say their old records are in a hill in NY and are on plates of metal of gold ,copper , or brass.

FYI: The sound on this video is very low

Brigham Young wanted the history from JS mother destroyed. But when that didn't happened he ordered one that was modified to get rid of the things that made him look bad removed.

You folks need to work on your audio. Turning it on full blast with my headphones on I can barely hear this

Why couldn't the book of Mormon begin in central America and end up in central eastern states? If lehis boat went around the tip of Africa the winds and current pull boats up to central America. After establishing cities over half a millennia eventually after the government seemed to fall after Moroni, alma died the people split, with some pushing off into the oceans into the land northward and into the west sea. As Mormon and Moroni write at the end of the book of Mormon it seems to indicate the moving of plates and people. It sounds as if Mormon and Moroni ended up in the land northward and from that time forward 421 ad there was a span of just over a thousand years before Columbus rediscovered America. It seems to make much more sense that Joseph was addressing the American Indians who ended up in North America with established societies lasting a millenia. I don't see anywhere where Joseph Smith says Lehis family was only in North America. Studying the Aztec societies seem to indicate a period of time that would have included 600 bc to 421 ad with an active population. However after that a society in central America Aztec areas seemed to vanish. Logic says that the war between nephite and Lamanite continued on into North America while the gadiantons secret societies ended all government in central America. There just isn't enough evidence yet to rule out the possibilities of the book of Mormon covering areas in central and north central America to northeast America

It is not the length of time but you need to stay on topic.

the Lord God will raise up a mighty nation among the Gentiles, yea, even upon the face of this land; and by them shall our seed be scattered. 8 And after our seed is scattered the Lord God will proceed to do a marvelous work among the Gentiles, which shall be of great worth unto our seed; 1 Nephi 22

River Sidon flowed north.

Don't be fooled by that Clark Kelly Price painting (1:25 mark) of the 2,000 stripling warriors (p 173 in CFM). Can't you see that Aztec/Mayan war club on the ground? It is called a macuahuitl and it has obsidian blades embedded on its side (usually both sides). See page 139 for more Meso artwork and more macuahuitls. Nowhere in the scriptures does it say the Anti-Nephi-Lehies broke their weapons into pieces before tossing into the ground. I don't blame the artists because they painted what they were taught and they were taught wrong! Look at p 97 for another incorrect Clark Kelly Price painting which shows the sword of Laban in the cement and stone box. No, the sword of Laban and the Liahona were located in a separate repository in the Hill Cumorah along with the many plates that Mormon referred to for his abridgement (Harmony plates) and the small plates of Nephi that were translated in Fayette. Please don't try to defend or apologize for the artwork in the 2020 and 2024 CFM manuals. About 1/3 of the artwork (and some videos) blatantly promotes the Mesoamerican model, but the church is geography neutral! Both manuals promote the false seer stone in a hat notion. The scholars are hijacking church history and Book of Mormon Geography.

Did they really say MTC on an lds podcast and try to move on without addressing that they weren't talking about the missionary training center 😂😂😂

If you would study the Nemenhah record it clears all this up.

Volume very low. hard to make out

Hi, being from the other sided of the pond, it doesn’t matter to me where Lehi and his family lived in the America’s, just that they left us this remarkable book. So what pictures they put on the front of the manual is irrelevant and has no impact. I guess for those of you living over there it does matter more. To know where to do the digs would be helpful.

Your volume is a little low.

Mark Wright gave probably the best explanation of both Mesoamerican and Heartland model co-existence that also allow for Joseph Smith's statements whether prophetic or personal - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fNJxrJSUqbawfaM.html

I enjoyed this. I would submit that the the natives below us in Mexico and beyond are a mixture of the descendants of the children of Lehi and the Mulekite who dispersed over the continents over the course of time from their arrival here to the time the Europeans colonized these continents. So, those below us could be descendants of Lehi as well as those here in the States. I am a proponent of the Homeland model because it makes sense with what is written about the Gentile nation in The Book of Mormon. Central and South America do not fit with the blessing promised to the nation of the Gentiles in the Scriptures. I do not think what we called the Hill Cumorah is the original hill because Mormon is the one who put records there, and he put ALL the records there. Moroni did not return to the Hill to put the finished book there in my estimation. The Hill Cumorah could be in Ohio or even Tennessee in my unresearched opinion.

I have been studing what you are talking about for over 25 years. The Book Of Mormon taking place in North America has come up just over the past 20 years. There are a few things that don't add up. First of all I think there are 3 different sets of belivers where the B Of M took place. First and has the most belivers - Centrail America Second - North America Third - South America mostly Chile and Peru. This has the least in my opinion. There needs to be a spread sheet with all the items listed that are stated in the B o M about location and people. Then which of the 3 areas has the most matches. Here are a few questions that makes North America not have very many on that list. B of M (Nephi) said the land had a lot of Gold and silver in abundance. North America and Centeral America don't have an abundance of either. Peru and Chile have the most of the 3 Where did father Lehi land. North America East or West ?????????????? Centeral America could be. Ocean currents have shown that a sail boat coming from the area where Lehi and Nephi were would travel to the west coast of South America and land in the north part of Chili. NOT North America Many of the traditions of the Mayan, Aztek and Inca show evadance of a bearded white god that came among the people. Why do you think that Cortez had such a easy time with the Mayans. He was a white man with a beard. This bearded white man told the people that he would come again. Study a little about the diving God of the Mayans. He was not diving into water but was diving out of heaven. Look at Tulum and on the temple by the sea there is a carving of the diving god, his father and a blank stone. Jesus, God, Holy Ghost. The people of South America knew a lot about this great spirit god. Some times the great bodies of water, they called them seas, don't match what is written. We need to remember that the people coming from the bible area refered to great bodies of water seas. They didn't call it Lake Galilee or Dead Lake - They called it The Sea of Galilee and the Dead Sea. They would have call Lake Titicaca a sea. CEMENT - Where are all the buildings and cement in North America?????? The people in centeral and South America were a lot more advanced than those in North America. When they found the last person (they thought) of the Jaredites you are saying that was in North America. The ruins in western Peru Match exactly the Jaredites. A few 100 miles north of Lima they have founding cities dating 3000 years ago. There is a ruin in LIMA dating 2000 BC. I have a picture of that building. There is a olive grove in Lima Peru dating back 1,500 years. Lehi brought seeds with him and could have brought olive seeds.. I don;t have time to go over everything but lets talk about one more item. In the 1879 edition of the B o M there is a foot note about where Lehi landed. It gives the location as the Northern Part of Chili. President John Taylor also stated that is where Lehi Landed. Now this next part need more looking into. President Kimball's personal secretary, Brother Naycock, had a personal journal and wrote in it that He and Presdient Kimball were at a stake conference in the Northen Part of Chile next to the ocean. After the conference they were walking along near the water and president Kimball pointed to an inlet and said "That is where father Lehi Landed." After checking it was the same latitude that President Taylor had said eariler. I wouldn't bet my tithing on this story, But it sounds great. I am not convinced that the B o f M took place in South America ( Chile and Peru) but more items are check off the list than North America or Centeral America. You may want to read some writing of Prof. Dalvelar the guide of Milton R Hunder. Had a lot to do with "The Trial of The Stick of Joseph" Thanks for your time. The Book of Mormon is true no matter where it took place. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day-saints is the kingdom of God on the earth.

Does it really matter where it happened?

So sad that the geography of the book has become more important than the teachings about the Saviour. These debates divide and not unite. A house divided against itself..............

There are some insurmountable problems with the Heartland model. There is not now nor has there ever been a river that flows from South to the North, let alone a major river that could be a candidate for Sidon. There is in Mesoamerica. Also none of the candidates for the Narrow Neck Of Land in the Heartland model could stop anyone for a day from traveling North, no matter how many snakes were squeezed onto the Narrow Neck Of Land, for they could just go around the other sides of the bodies of water, especially along the majority of what is now the Canadian border, or just wait for the several months of the year that the snakes have to hibernate because of freezing temperatures. You did not have Joseph Smith Jr. said, you had I remember that long ago Joseph Smith Jr. said that Moroni told him. And here you said that you weren't going to use any third hand accounts, and then you claim a third hand account as your best "Evidence", when they easily could have been mixing two different events. It's no surprise that North America has Niphites and Lamanites, it tells us that many Nephites traveled North an exceedingly great distance and settled, and that the Lamanites hunted and killed all Nephites who wouldn't deny the Christ, and the Lamanites and the Nephites that denied the Christ would have settled every where they went to hunt down the remaining Nephites. And of course they would mix with any people already there or that came later. Including anyone fleeing the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in 70A.D. In San Juan County Utah a skeleton of a young girl was turned up while plowing, and it was said to be a Nephite or a Jaredite, but in 1823 Utah was not part of "This Nation", and nowhere does Joseph Smith Jr. ever say anything about This Nation increasing in size to include what was then parts of Mexico. There is nothing to suggest that Joseph Smith Jr. knew that what is now Utah would ever be part of America. But Nephites in Utah doesn't contradict concept of the Mesoamerican model. And where can Nephites travel an exceedingly great distance North? Are you implying that the Nephites became Santa and his elves? The only thing North an exceeding great distance from North America is the Artic Circle and the North Pole, neither of which is the kind of place people would choose to settle. Of course you can continue to twist The Book Of Mormon account even more than has already been done to try to force it to fit the Heartland model if you choose, that's called free agency. Oh, and by the way, the ancient city of Lamanai or Lama'ayin or La'ma'an is in Belize, not North America, and it's one of the few cities we actually know the ancient name.

European ethnocentric mentality, heartland, so limited. Making money pushing stumbling blocks.