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As a beaver fan, I'm just downright sad. This takes away so much steam heading into this season. Ugh, we went through some dark days, just to be left with this. And to those saying the "pac 12 snobs" are getting what they deserve, I ask who? Because I don't know too many fan bases as loving and unhated as orst and wazzu fans are.

I'm a Big 12 fan who feels vindicated by the proven value of my team's conference, but I'd trade that feeling for a return to regional football and commitment to conference health by all members. The times are achangin'.

As a Big 12 fan seeing my conference stabilize itself and assert itself as the 3rd best conference in the country and it’s here to stay! I loved it

As a B1G football fan, I'm not disappointed. Honestly, I couldn't care less about UCLA joining, but I love that there'll be MI- Oregon and OSU-USC and Penn State-Washington. That excites me much more than OSU-Indiana or Wisconsin-Rutgers. It may suck for the non-football programs, but I don't watch those anyway....

Josh, I am not sure that the campuses at Cal, Stanford, Oregon State and Washington State are seeing flowers sprouting across their campus. The events of last week will cripple or decimate those programs. We should all hope that the ACC's Grant of Rights is as airtight as it appears or else that conference, and another 5-7 programs will have the same fate as the current Pac 4 schools.

But where does he get his white shirts

Thanks for reminding us that the power is with the people! Great information. Thanks for sharing.

The wild thing is that these decisions are made primarily because of football + mens basketball, but it affects most other sports at these schools. So now a Big Ten field hockey student athlete might play half their games on the coasts.

Say, hypothetically, Texas Tech has to move to the Mountain West and couldn't even contend for a championship with an undefeated record. I'm not going to switch to root for another team in a larger conference because they have more exposure. The SEC and Big 10 will make more money, but each institution will only have the fans it had before realignment. If they want to make a NFL type of format with 30% of football teams, they will lose 70% of the market. Does that make sense or am I crazy?

Dennis Dodd was right about the 4 corner schools joining the Big 12, it took GK showing his hand to get Utah and ASU to do a 180, but Dennis Dodd's prediction came true.

The Pate State fireside chat needs to be a weekly or monthly segment.

Things change so quickly! A week ago, the B1G wasn’t going to add anymore teams until after the 2024 season.

I didnt like OU/UT Leaving. I didn't like USC/UCLA leaving. I didn't like George Kliavkoff taking shots at the Big 12.... BUT I LOVE WHAT HAPPENED TO THE PAC12 SNOBS LAST WEEK!!

You are the first person that is really gone out on a limb and called this what it is these high-ranking jobs in conferences and at universities are held by a lot of incompetent people. Clearly we can all agree on that now and why they're in their job is the result of a variety of different things, most of which are not good.

I’m SO curious what happens when teams who are accustomed to being in the upper echelon of their conferences (Texas, OU, USC) eventually become also-rans in their new destinations.

Josh, I’m a Arkansas fan and what happens to teams in these big conferences that are average or pretty good, will they ever be in contention again ?

When I saw the yule log shot, I died 😂

Josh, great show. Not only commissioners, college presidents, etc., but a lot of average reporters/ podcasters/ commentators have also been exposed in the last week. People who were complete homers or mouthpieces, or even flat out fools. Obviously they didn't make the choices for the conference, but the consequences can be damaging (see political reporting). Fans commenting (like me!) are obviously going to generally be "my team to the death," with a hefty percentage us being fools to some extent. I hurt for those whose who feel their school's "to the death" has arrived. Not being a Pac(#) fan, I objectively was stunned by a majority of the "reporting." Only pygmy tribal children are less "sourced" than I am, yet I kept thinking, "have these guys double-checked with credible, unbiased sources??" I won't throw names under the bus, but some of the reporting about the Pac was as incompetent as the leadership of the Pac. I wondered if they would prove me completely wrong, but it didn't happen. Again, Josh, well done. Your ability to analyze and intelligently provide a new possible/plausible ripple effect was refreshing.

I am a Big XII fan and former Big 8 and 12 athlete I loved it!!! The Universities added value!!! For Pack 12 fans I understand, but for those of us who are not Pack 12 fans this made it more competitive!

Selfishly I like, I get to see matchups and games I would never had seen in the out of conference schedule. Those old rivalries can still be kept but now we can develop new ones too…

I'm a Michigan fan. This realignment wave is a slap in the face of the fans of all conferences. Including the Big Ten. College football was better with a strong PAC 12 with USC and UCLA . It makes no sense for them to be in the B10. We just wanted the non conference schedule to include big time matchups with these type of teams. I don't get fans who get excited that their school is going to make 75 million from TV every year. Who cares??? Are they going to reduce tuition for all students? No. It's just money to build over the top facilities and pay pay coaches obscene salaries. RIP regional rivalries and road trips to close away games.😢

As an Oregon fan I am thrilled.. my Oregon state brothers not so much

It’s just wild that an entire conference that had been around for over 100 years is going to be just a wiki page in 2025

An underlying factor to all of this is that these conferences were founded and held together largely because of the infrastructure of their era. I'm from SW Michigan and we are mostly Chicago sports fans because historically we only got Chicago TV and radio stations, but I see younger kids now starting to be fans of teams from all over, which is kinda cool in its own way. In this modern era we can see any game from anywhere, and the big schools have enough money to fly their players to any away games. There isnt the same glue anymore, and we are probably far from done with realignment.

When Texas and OU left the big 12 I was so mad. Now I think the Big 12 is gonna be ok.

The Sec, taken everything tv deals,rings, an recruit's

I loved it! Give me the biggest best teams in a national brand.

the end of the pac12 is the end of an era. for its sake I hope it can get some MW teams like air force. with ou and texas leaving the big12, it is nice to see the big12 taking in some of these teams. whats crazy is that the big12 got even better in basketball picking up arizona and houston. big12 was already #1 basketball team in the country, now with tcu, arizona, and houston joining next season, its almost comical.

Look no further back then the Southwest Conference.. There were programs that were left with no chair to sit on.. Rice, SMU, TCU and Houston Now some of those programs are back, some are even further away.

I’m happy it happened From Manhattan KS

I’m a UA student who is just thankful we got into a relevant conference and can stay relevant and didn’t get left behind

Well said JP

I truly wish we could go back to regional conferences. My unrealistic ideal would be 12 conferences (6 power, 6 G5) each with 10 teams. So we'd get last years' B12 where every team plays everyone in a season. Then, 6 P5 (P6?) Champs, plus 1 or 2 G6 champs and at large teams to make a 12 team playoff. Probably many things wrong with this, but it's fun to think about.

You sir, are spitting facts!

SEC fan here. Hate to see what’s happening right now. Honestly feel bad the PAC-12 split up. The athletes especially non football and probably also basketball depending on the program are gonna have it rough for now. My hope is that we’ll see colleges come back to their senses and think of the athletes because think of it like this. If you have to have travel a couple thousand miles for some conference games you’re gonna have 1 a harder time recruiting players for non football sports in most cases, more expenses for said sports for travel, less kids are gonna come to your school or want to spend money if they can’t feel invested in the rivalries. Personally I hope the schools that have made the big moves for several thousand mile distances move back to regional conferences after a few years of seeing the side effects of this, but won’t be surprised if they sit on their butts. Regional conferences at least make sense, but these transnational conferences make no sense for the fan or the athlete.

In a few years, it will be back to similar regional rivalries. The difference will be they will be called divisions instead of conferences.

The football brands that are big want to play each other. The ones that aren't are the ones that are the most upset.

Been going back and watching all of Bama’s NC games and just really getting ready for some football! Can’t miss out on the LK show!!

Nil and the portal were the start. Now this is just the aftershock. I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again the portal and nil have ruined college football

The actual game of football is more powerful than the businessmen running it. We can be disappointed, but we wont stop watching.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen Pate this pissed

Damn, I like it 😂

conferences kept expanding and getting bigger which is already something people were getting tired of if anything they could have made a 6th power conference and adjusted accordingly. get regionality back into the mix

Football conferences don’t need to be connected the minor sports conferences. The school will still get the money to share with non-revenue sports. There are many schools that already separate their programs from football or basketball. ND is one example. Rick Petino has a point.

10:36 sometimes it's best to move on. Do what's best for YOU

This applies to more than just college football

Unusual freezing cold take from Pate here damn

I’m pumped about the new era. If you can’t control it you midaswell enjoy it

Nice fireside chat Josh Pate, let me go way way back to the 1980's when OU OKLAHOMA and GEORGIA vs the NCAA lawsuit. Now let's fast forward to the Summer of 2023. Yes I did play college football NAIA division 1972-1976. SWOSU Weatherford, Oklahoma and I knew when OU was going to become a member of the SEC along with Texas. That was May of 2016 location Super Regional Softball The University of Oklahoma OU. Now lets fast forward to July 1st, 2024. My oh my has things changed. Enjoy your fireside chat in 2023 Josh Pate.

2 32 team conferences -- each broken into 4 8 team regional divisions . brings back the rivalries. makes making a play-off very neat. easy peasy.

This is the side of Late Kick that the people need going forward.

The ass ins is out 🤣🤣🤣🤣

i fucking love you josh....nail on the head

“Let’s never allow this to happen again!” Florida State has entered the chat.

It's simple. More Ohio State vs. Oregon, less Washington vs. Cal. It's about butts in the seats and viewers watching on TV. Life just keeps on getting busier, so people want more games that matter.

I love this realignment, especially since the big 12 is having to reinvent itself. The ACC is hanging in the balance. The SEC will soon face actual competition, in the near future. Since the 90s when the SEC, ACC and Big12 started raiding college football conferences, justice is about to be served.

I love what’s going on…CF needs to be overhauled,I want more chaos

“Too many average people in positions of influence and authority.” A real truth in today’s world

Remember the Big Ten + ACC + Pac 12 "Alliance"? The Big Ten then straight up annihilated the Pac 12 and is trying to raid the ACC. With friends like that, who needs enemies?

I think we are about to see some of the best college football of all time. In my opinion.

I know this is a football channel, but what about the other sports and groups with this conference realignment? I’m in TBDBITL, and we could be going to Oregon or LA for mid-season games during midterms now. What about soccer, lacrosse, synchronized swimming, etc who travel commercially, competing 2-3 times a week?

Walked from NFL AND NBA and Holy shit don't want CFB to go to hell in handbag...

What possible difference does it make which conferences exist and who's in them?

Profit > Tradition. Even if you decide to throw your hands in the air and not support your college team/conference; there's about 5-10 new fans that will. The decision makers know this. The marketers know this. And there's no going back.

Josh, can you do a quick segment & give your take on Uncle Lou?

What happens to teams like Oregon Sate and Washington State? Asking as a very worried Beaver fan.

More big games thats literal all i care about. There are still non conference games any rivalry thats important can stick around if they want to.

Pretty soon, we're going to have one conference. I see this going to what the NFL has and only the blue chip top tier teams will be a part of it.

Nil. Transfer portal. Realignment. Replay challenges CFB is a shell of what I loved about it. Can't even get excited about recruiting if they can leave when they want

"They're just average as grits" 😂😂😂😂😂😂 some1 tell j. Pate imma steal that1 and have it patented 😂😂😂 hope he doesn't mind lol !!!!! Give this man a spot on the SEC NETWORK or CBS !!!!!!!

We need a NCAA commissioner

Seriously Josh, a lot of us knew this was going to happen last year when they announced UCLA and So Cal coming to the BIG. However , we didn’t know about the exodus to the big 12 and what consequences that will have. I don’t think it’s over yet ,so hang on your seat and don’t get too holy yet.

We have seen this before the SWC, the WAC,. CUSA now the PAC soon the MWC and eventually the Big 12 .

I dont mind conference realignment one bit. I would love to just have two superconferences that trim out the current fat of the Vandies and Rutgers of the world

Realignment isn't the only thing that is wrong. NIL and the transfer portal started us down the road of changing college football for the worse. Where did people think the money for these pay to play deals was going to come from?

I love the conference realignment.

TRUTH!

hate to break it to everyone, but the only reason those baseball players and softball players even get a chance to play those sports at their school is because of their school’s football program. football and men’s basketball generate so much revenue that those 2 sports alone is the only reason it can pay for all of the schools other sports and still have money left over. if the baseball or softball players don’t want to play and travel, enter the transfer portal instead of complaining.

Hopefully you’re spot on Josh - sounds kinda familiar though doesn’t it?

No need for aTm, Mizzou, Nebraska, Colorado to leave the XII...why not go that far?

The Big 12 and Big 10 responded to the SEC by creating nationwide conferences that can play from 9am to 11p PST every Saturday. The Pac12 had the worst tv deal in CFB, a lot of money potentially, but the visibility on streaming on Apple TV was never going to work. People out east were never going to subscribe to watch Pac 12 games that start at 10pm EST

"A lot of people who never built anything on their own... took risks on their own.... there in the driver's seat they have no business being in." Well said commentary at 3:50. That's what this is about ultimately. That's what happens when the wrong people are in charge of multi-million-dollar and billion-dollar ventures throughout business. Example: Silicon Valley Bank.

I do think they should realign in one move none of this bits and pieces, pick a day get in a room and figure it out

This could be something great. If it ended up with just 2 or 3 superconferences, that could be a good thing as well. If the ACC folds, and the teams end up in the SEC, Big Ten, and Big 12, and the remnants of the Pac 12 and up in one of those three. Then you could say "each of the 3 conferences gets 3 playoff slots, with 3 at large bid for the 3 highest rank teams not included in the conference slots." Or, you give 2 to each conference - 1 for the champion so it's guaranteed, and 1 for the next highest ranked team. Then 6 at large bids. Instead of what it is now with each of the power 5 getting a guaranteed slot, which is just bad. It's not fair to the stronger conferences. The SEC and the Big Ten. So if Penn State runs the table, and Ohio State, or Michigan has one loss, but USC loses 2 games, but still wins it's conference championship, they'd be in automatically, even if Michigan AND Ohio State are better teams.

This is a disaster. They are killing college football and rivalry weeks. What is gonna happen to the Pac 12? You can't have a conference with only 4 teams.

The plan according to the heads of these conferences appears to be, snatch every big time team and put them together in The Big "Ten" and SEC...hmmm., The pendulum will swing back after a few years where every team has to join and it is just a matter of time before those power conferences say "well lets group these 24 teams in our conference together" ....

That idea that it's the average people who are in charge... It's called the 'Peter Principle'... put forth by Dr. Laurence J. Peter in the mid 20th century. Dr. Peter wrote a book about the principle that was published in the late 1960s.

Has anyone thought of implementing relegation/promotion system into college football? I think their needs to be some sort of realignment but creating a program where struggling programs get bumped down to rebuild in a “weaker” conference and promote the team that won the lower conference up. Ie: Tulane was awesome last year so bring them into the SEC and bump vandy down to American/Sunbelt.

🤣🤣 just “average Ass-itty” all over the place”!! Nailed It!!! 🤣🤣🤣

I feel bad for the kids at these schools who don't play football. Those kids were never though about when all this went down.

The biggest issue is the general public on the west coast is not NEARLY as invested/interested in college football as the general public is in the Northeast, Midwest, East Coast, and certainly the Southeast?

I honestly could care less about the non revenue sports travel plights, but the erosion of tradition and “little guy” programs being screwed by the romantization of the playoff gives me great pause and puts a feeling of dread in the shadow of this season. Even with all the potential new great games and rivalries as a Umich fan

Money and stability.

It eventually will be regional non revenue sports and upper and lower tier football and hoops league. Just give it time.

A ton of folks also support the realignment. The only ones really opposing it are fans of schools who will, rightly, be left out.

I like the changes and am not upset at all. Hope we see some more movement toward the SEC. The ACC may be the next conference to evaporate-hope so. Bad Karma is catching up to the ACC. Any conference that has a strong product and avid fans has nothing to worry about. The ACC is what the Pac12 WAS before all the defections.

Big12 made brilliant moves to save the conference and gain stability. Pac12 did the opposite and were overly confident for no reason

I'm not against realignment as whole but not at the expense of a major conference getting the axed and not at the expense of losing traditional rivalry games. What went down with the PAC 12 this week was a damn shame.

5 years ago I watched college football from ESPN GameDay at 9am through Pac-12 After Dark at 1:30am. Now. I watch my team and maybe one other game. I'm not boycotting. Just turned off. And I don't watch SEC and B1G regular season games not their title games after taking Texas and USC.