Canon R3 6K Raw Video - How Good Is It?
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Күн бұрынFull test of the 6K raw on the Canon EOS R3. I test dynamic range, noise, image quality and discuss whether or not it's worth shooting in raw.
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TABLE OF CONTENTS:
0:00 - Intro To 6K RAW
0:59 - Clog3 vs Canon Raw
2:33 - Dynamic Range Testing
3:28 - Exposing & Grading
3:42 - Overexposure Test
5:29 - Underexposure Test
7:21 - Real World Examples
10:38 - Thoughts on Image Quality
11:24 - Downsides of Raw
11:46 - File Sizes
13:23 - Takeaways & Conclusion
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@Josh_Sattin Жыл бұрын
Correction: You can control the raw settings in Davinci Resolve, but not Final Cut Pro.
@marquisphotography1618 Жыл бұрын
Correct I was gonna say yea in DR change timeline to Canon Full Ress
@rodricchan Жыл бұрын
@@marquisphotography1618 How about premier pro
@Battery-Powered Жыл бұрын
Man you deserve so many more followers! Started watching your channel a week ago and now Looking forward to every one of your new videos
@Josh_Sattin Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the kind words! Super glad you found the channel!
@waynosfotos Жыл бұрын
Two comments, 1. Shoot in raw if you want to play with massive files but I switched from 4k on this camera to 1080p ALLi. The 1080p is stunning and you get 120p and 240p with a excellent picture. 2. As to exposure I found this camera works better if you expose with the histogram half a bar from the right. If you use full right it tends to be harder to recover, I generally expose to one bar down, this gives a nice exposure across the clip. Love this camera, and you can work in a high quality 1080p ALLi and it makes the files far more manageable and you can shot on a normal SD card. (Not in higher frame rates but)
@JuanCarlosRivasPerrettaOboe Жыл бұрын
For long recordings (that is what I do) 4k Fine IPB getting log3 is the best and usable workflow ever. Canon R7 for 1500$ is just great !
@MLee-vcrr Жыл бұрын
Man you do some really good tests, keep it up! I agree with your findings and think it just comes down to how much record time is left on your cards. I would be happy with either image from a practical standpoint.
@Josh_Sattin Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@bncprado Жыл бұрын
great great review. I shoot with an R5 and the files are really really massive. From what I read, in non-raw you also have noise, but the camera corrects it. With RAW, as the name says, It's raw, with no corrections whatsoever. So if you correct it later in post, you'll get the same kind of clean image as you'd shoot with all-I or IPB
@mitchlazorko Жыл бұрын
I know there is a lot of focus on downsampled 4k in these newer cameras, which is great. I would love to see Canon/Sony start putting more emphasis on high quality downsampled 1080 for people like us that have fast turnaround times. A 1080 image downsampled from 6k would be great from a moire and file size perspective.
@Josh_Sattin Жыл бұрын
That would be cool for sure. I feel like a lot of time it's really difficult to determine from the manufacturer how these cameras produce their 1080p video.
@Carlito_MD Жыл бұрын
Canon R5C downsamples 2K from 8K. We use that all the time for client reels.
@RogerZoul Жыл бұрын
Just wanted to mention that I bought two of those 512 GB Angelbird CFe cards back in late Feb / early March of this year. By July, both of them has the casing just fall apart, to the point where some of it almost got stuck in my R5s! Fortunately, Angelbird replaced both of them for me with no hassle. I think this is worth knowing so you can keep an eye on them as time goes on. That R3 is a pricey camera. Enjoyed the vids.
@JerseyQ Жыл бұрын
Your absolutely correct I purchased the 2TB card and it frame also began to break apart, don’t know why they did just use all metal build, also with the R3 sometimes it doesn’t read the card, but this never happens in my R5c
@siyasox4244 10 ай бұрын
My first time to see proper how quality footage of a Canon R3. Thanks.
@Josh_Sattin 10 ай бұрын
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
@barneycoomber2988 Жыл бұрын
Hi Josh yet another great video, you have really fired my enthusiasm to try video, now in a position to give it a go as the R7 has finally arrived (9.6 million secs after pre order placed) Even when the review is about kit I will never have there is always useful info and tips to pick up.
@Josh_Sattin Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! Congrats on the R7! Shooting video is so much fun!
@Irvingdejong Жыл бұрын
Hey Josh, Awesome Video! Love that we got to the same conclusion. Roll-off is much better in Clog2! Definitely would be worth the update as I would use it all the time just for that.
@Josh_Sattin Жыл бұрын
Thanks! The highlights are definitely more pleasing with the raw.
@RandumbTech Жыл бұрын
6K RAW does look better but I agree, it’s probably not worth the file size penalty. Both images look great to me.
@ryanbishop3586 Жыл бұрын
You're right Josh, Canon need to put C Log 2 in their top tier cameras for 4K footage - R5, R5c, R6, R3 - to better compete with the FX3, A7S III and A1 Even if just to monitor C Log 3 in 4K, then in editing having the ability to change it to Clog 2, that would be fine
@JackFN_VR64 6 ай бұрын
Canon Cripple Hammer. Canon wont put clog2 in R series bodies because according to Canon's intentions those are not video cameras. Sony has the same mindset, that is why certain features in the FX line are not in the alpha line. Ultimately they are segmenting and expanding their product lines to force us to buy more stuff.
@Ramage7070 Жыл бұрын
Nice comparison - One thing to note, C.LOG 2 would not offer much of anything because the DR is limited by bit depth. Oh and checkout Canon Cinema Raw Development software. I use this to convert my RAW footage.
@MayurMahapatraFilms Жыл бұрын
A : what’s your name Josh: hey there.. A: what’s in lunch Josh : hey there.. A : today’s weather is cool Josh : hey there.. Josh never disappoints with his video and his “hey there”.. 😃🤟
@vizualsbynick 3 ай бұрын
Appreciate this video man, thanks. Do you think Canon will ever put C-log 2 in R3 or is that a hard no?
@Josh_Sattin 3 ай бұрын
You're welcome! At this point, I don't think they will.
@genxtechguy Жыл бұрын
As an FCPX user and an owner of this camera, I’m praying that Canon will come out with a firmware update to allow for ProRes RAW.
@Josh_Sattin Жыл бұрын
That would be great!
@bradleypjones Жыл бұрын
Maybe FCP won't allow the raw features. However have played with craw and craw lite from the R5C and c300 mkii in resolve. You have full control in post.
@Josh_Sattin Жыл бұрын
Yes. Thanks for the correction. I realized that after I made this video. I pinned a comment at the top to let people know.
@holdmedear Жыл бұрын
would be great to see a comparison to the r5c :)
@Josh_Sattin Жыл бұрын
That would be a good comparison. Unfortunately I don't have a R5C.
@dansellcreative 7 ай бұрын
Awesome video! So the native ISO for the R3 is 800? Is that the same for other canon cameras such as rhe R5 and the R7? I’ve found this info can be tough to find! Thanks!
@Josh_Sattin 7 ай бұрын
Thanks! Yes the base ISO is 800 for Clog3. It is 400 for Clog.
@Dannyhallfilms Жыл бұрын
Think FCPX will ever add Raw controls for cannon? Would be so nice.
@Josh_Sattin Жыл бұрын
I have no idea. That would be great though!
@littlewhitedory1 Жыл бұрын
Josh, while I generally do enjoy your videos I want to make an observation. If you could change the audience that you are talking to your information might be more useful to the average viewer. In the first few minutes of todays video you recited an incredible list of numbers and statistics, most of which was lost on me for two main reasons. First, if you go back and rewatch your own video I dare you to make sense of so much information in such a short period of time! Second, the numbers are wonderful for people that live for numbers, but most viewers that are tuning in to hear about whatever camera or lens or other digital device you are going to review, likely can’t keep up with all the numbers and can’t associate the with whatever you’re trying to demonstrate. So my suggestion is to minimize the numbers and settings in the rapid fire style that you are, slow down and relate the numbers better to the attributes that they are associated with! My humble opinion is that for those that are as “into” the numbers as you are that’s fine, but…. Most very high end users will likely want to form their own opinions and while they might appreciate the stats they are also likely seeking a specific piece of info based on some intriguing aspect they are researching or waiting to hear other opinions about so that they can have a general idea of what to expect if they purchased said device. Basically, learn more about your audience and don’t just hear the questions from a minority of your viewers that want to challenge your opinion or contradict it all together. Keep doing what you want but know that you are probably loosing a large percentage of your audience to numbers that just aren’t that interesting, although useful for just a few high end viewers. Speak to your audience in plain language while spouting all the stats, tell them why the numbers you feel so compelled to mention are significant, especially to the mid to low end user. Just a thought about the general tone of your videos. You can do this in a better way.
@johannesimmonen2125 Жыл бұрын
One stupid question. How do you know what settings each video is filmed (like what iso, apperture etc.) if you dont remember after few months when you look back the clips?
@Josh_Sattin Жыл бұрын
I just say the settings when I am recording. It's one long clip that I then cut up for the video.
@fbimagesphoto Жыл бұрын
Hi Josh, been trying to wrap my head around workflows with the R3. Currently I am shooting 6K raw with Clog3 turned on in camera. I expose to the right to crush noise in post (I set my zebras to 95% and roll of a third of a stop). I then bring the footage in Final cut, adjust the clip outside of the timeline and play with the colour wheels until the levels match the guidance for CLOG3 in Canon's website (ie 12.5% for blacks, 34.3% for greys and 56.4% for whites), then drop the clip in y timelines, apply the Canon Lut for CLOG 3, and tweak the look slightly. Am I doing this completely wrong? I am simply trying to find a workflow to capture the cleanest footage possible and then get the most accurate rendition as possible. Thanks for your help, Felix
@Josh_Sattin Жыл бұрын
Here is my process for exposing and grading Clog 3: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gKl0lN1iqt3Nops.html
@fbimagesphoto Жыл бұрын
@@Josh_Sattin thank you! I did watch this video previously but to me there is a point missing. With log the values get squeezed at the top so expanding contrast and boosting saturation usually don’t get you back to an accurate footage, which is why I tend to go via a manufacturers lut in between. The issue arises from exposure to the right, which really confuses the lut if one doesn’t normalise the clip before applying it. Still fiddling with it but haven’t found the perfect workflow yet
@elonurico 6 ай бұрын
@@fbimagesphoto did you find any solition, thankyou
@fbimagesphoto 6 ай бұрын
@@elonurico yes, capture everything with zebras on at 95% to avoid clipping, then bring the footage I to davinci resolve and use colour space transform for conversion to Rec709 with a very pleasing tone mapping
@walterhoerath2044 Жыл бұрын
What happen to the garden
@puredistancegolf Жыл бұрын
Great vid. So is Canon Raw superior to C-Log 2? Thanks.
@Josh_Sattin Жыл бұрын
Thanks. Every camera will be different so I couldn't say that the 6K raw out of the R3 would be better than the Clog2 out of the C70 for example.
@puredistancegolf Жыл бұрын
@@Josh_Sattin Gotcha. Thanks.
@hawaiifreespeechnews 10 ай бұрын
Why is it that 4K normal colors always looks better than clog 3 and raw with this camera?
@rMr.big13 Жыл бұрын
Hey, jus got my R3.....shot in 6k raw, unable to access the iso control...I can access color space and gamma....What do I need to do?
@joshkiddfilms1295 Жыл бұрын
Use resolve. Select full res canon in the raw panel
@RayValdezPhotography Жыл бұрын
Cool, this camera doesn't get much credit for video. I would have rather a cinema version of this over the R5C just for the menu since this is lacking a lot of restrictions unlike the R5 on the older firmware
@Josh_Sattin Жыл бұрын
Oooh. An R3C?!?
@RayValdezPhotography Жыл бұрын
@@Josh_Sattin The R3 kind of got dismissed because of 24MP, price, and lack of availability. I had mine since launch Iove it. So much better for video than the R5. It's just annoying to use after using a cinema camera for video.
@mikhailkartashov4947 Жыл бұрын
My thoughts are: the readout of the sensor in video mode is 12 bits linear, and in CLOG3 it is exposed to move 18% grey level further towards least significant bits. That would explain horrific underexposed shadows: in 14 bit raw photo mode, when there are about 2 stops for highlights, we have about 12 bits for everything below 18% grey, and for 12 bit CLOG3 video raw mode we have about 7 bits for the "shadows". Hence, photo mode ISO800 underexposed by 2 stops is basically as nice as native ISO3200, but raw video is atrocious. Seriously, 2 stops underexposure makes it about 5 bits with severe quantization artifacts, which is what we precisely see in your generous test. Too bad I dislike absence of IBS and requirement of USB battery for 60fps @ 8k for normal operation in R5C. That also explains 16bit linear readout prior to gamma-packing in cinema cameras like Arri.
@DangLeProject92 Жыл бұрын
R3 and R5C. Which one performs better with high iso? Somewhere 8000-12800 iso?
@Josh_Sattin Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately I don't have the R5C to compare.
@ryanpallotta5 2 ай бұрын
The color shift is pretty dramatic to me. It almost becomes monochromatic and bleached bypass look. Maybe not enough color info in the compressed log footage? Skin tones become strange and blacks become muddy
@dushyantbhatt9345 Жыл бұрын
YOU CAN CHANGE ISO & WHITE BALANCE in resolve
@Josh_Sattin Жыл бұрын
Yes. Thanks for the correction. I realized that after I made this video. I pinned a comment at the top to let people know.
@dushyantbhatt9345 Жыл бұрын
@@Josh_Sattin nice channel... Great videos
@Josh_Sattin Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@iosuser1174 Жыл бұрын
It not even shoots more than 10 min continue as it heats up and shutdown
@elonurico 6 ай бұрын
I made my career with Canon cameras. Frankly, the biggest problem facing technology is the useless, thoughtless machines they made. They experienced an 8% shrinkage worldwide in 2023 and as a result, they had to close their centers in some countries. It's time to sell the Canon lenses we have.
@pognerebkofilm Жыл бұрын
"Canon RAW it is not true RAW" 😂 Study more, film less.
@pognerebkofilm Жыл бұрын
@@Yupthereitism source
@pognerebkofilm Жыл бұрын
@@Yupthereitism Not true. Canon can, because they have deal with RED (RED uses RF mount and Canon can use compressed raw) It is common public knowledge
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