I really appreciate Karearea as a company. They’re not afraid to try something and see it through. Sure, some of it misses the mark but in an industry/hobby rife with redundancy it’s cool to see innovation. Those motor bells actually get me excited and that’s rare for motor tech these days.

Easiest fix ever for the manufacturer: Simply mill out the molds slightly to provide some more room around those screw-holes.

Would be a great drone to practice on.. If you were never worried about it breaking then you'd probably take more risks with freestyle

They need to make a toothpick frame with this stuff.. under 250g quad made with this stuff would be awesome.

two videos in a day? It’s like Christmas all over again

I got a full size stack in with a rush ultimate, no problem. Came together really clean.

:-o That poor park bench!

Excellent video Joshua! Thanks for spending the time to test it. I’ve been saying for nearly 10 years, why don’t motor manufacturers integrate fan blades on the motor bell connections?!!! Finally! 😂

I bought some of these motors for my new Armattan Badger freestyle build after watching Max Beamers review of them. I haven't had chance to fly them too much yet, but they do seem really good to be fair. I tested a few 4S packs and they were super smooth, but lacked punch as you'd expect on 4S with 6S motors. When I tested 6S I nearly hit the moon, they have a lot of power yet are still smooth. It's hard to say at this stage if the turbine feature is worth it or not, but they definitely did feel cool after flying. I agree they are very expensive though and I'm not really looking forward to having to replace motors

I want to see a dive from really high into concrete 😂

Love my Talon V2, such a good looking and fast frame!

I have 2 of these and they are tanks as far as toughness. My build weighs 290g. This thing shocked me cause it flys on rails so i bought another and its my main racer now. Highly recommend it

I have 3 of these setup for racing. Flies great. I've had some hits that would have killed multiple components on a normal race frame and it just doesnt care.

KabapFPV says that motor performance suffers severely from heat long before it would be a danger for the windings. This may be the real benefit of the Turbines, not that you can get away with a more aggressive tune.

I just looked at my un-built, never flown frame and the screw holes are very thin to completely missing sidewalls on some of the holes. Still impressed that it took those hits. The turbine motors are shipping today.

had this frame sat in its box for about 3 months the plus side is i get it cheaper here in NZ but im waiting until my floss 3.0 lite gives out then its talon 2 time yeeeeeeeeeeaah!

I was waiting for this video! It was hard to see something so pretty getting smashed up. It was like Kurt Cobain smashing a custom Gibson guitar. Also I didn't know just how good you were at racing, kudos. I would love to transfer my hawk pro frame into this or something. Superb review and test of this frame and build. Thank you!

thrust from the motor , not hard to believe , they were actually getting 'some' thrust from the exhaust of Spitfires ....... and nothing is 'indestructable' ...but damn ...that frame comes bloody close !!!

This is a fascinating frame. It looked pretty flexible when you bent hard on it. It really only needs to be stiff enough that the motors don't significantly flex it in flight, and it doesn't transfer motor vibrations. The flexing probably distributes the force of an impact across the entire frame a lot like the crumple zones in a car. I'm always trying to think of ways to design a setup with standard carbon plates, but I can't think of any way to do it. I'm excited about those little three dimensional motor protection doodads at the corners. You can't do anything like that with two dimensional carbon plates. It may not matter where the antennas go on that frame. The radio magic out to penetrate that plastic frame just fine, unless maybe it absorbs a lot of humidity.

I just finished building mine, it's going to be my practice basher quad and maybe my gateway to racing as well! i'm gonna post my review as well, although, since mine wasn't sent to me I won't bash it in stuff on purpose like you did, so I thank you for doing it so it really does show how durable it is!

yikes! great job karearea, and great testing joshua, i wonder if a freestyle frame is even possible. maybe even just a pod type deal thats slots onto a normal carbon frame. still not inspired by the motors though, its probably completely ineffective in a quad thrusting 1kg and the nuisance of left and right handed motors is just a deal breaker

As always amazing review 😉

5:00 "Do you want me to review it in the next 6 months?" An alpha answer.

I'm a long-time viewer and I have to say, in your most recent vids you've really stepped up the editing and production quality. They're amazing Joshua love your creations.

Whenever I build a quadcopter I factor in and order one additional spare motor for when I eventually crash and wreck one. Unfortunately with the Karearea Turbines, to maintain this philosophy - I would need to hold two spare motors on hand (ie - 1x CW & 1 x CCW), so it adds about $80 to my upfront cost. Not an insignificant amount.... And of course if you don't plan on ordering spares you will have to contend with Karearea being out of stock for maybe months when you need them - Which has happened to me now on 3 separate occasions. Which is why I swapped them out last time Karearea were out of stock, and why I no longer run Karearea motors despite really liking their product.

I think 🤔 I found my first 5inch!!! I wonder if they would consider making a Lipo protector for when you are just out flying and not racing. Also maybe they can put some type of aluminum bracket or a bracket made of the same plastic to strengthen the stack or maybe we as consumers can just add some washers to distribute the shock in a head on crash like that. Just brainstorming. I bet this is a polymer plastic like what’s used on my favorite hand gun “The Glock”.😉👍

Truc's canopy @10:38 looks so incredibly baller - I guess I'm dyeing mine purple now.

I agree with you that it would be hard to quantify any gains from the turbine blades on the bell, used to cool the motor. You don't get anything for free, in this case, it would be the resistance against those very same blades costing the motor some energy to spin. I bet that the standard non-turbine blade motor generates more upward thrust, because it doesn't have that drag on the spokes, and spins up quicker.

Those motors look beautiful..

What really surprised me about the frame which you didn't mention in the video is that it wasn't over priced. A lot of people would buy this frame over another frame for this frame can survive a beating but yet it's only around $70? That isn't at all bad. That is really good to be honest. I would be a bit worried about them potentially under charging themselves but we'll see. Thanks for the vid! I wonder what made the frame so durable.

So in normal flying /crashing it would be highly likely you will be able to keep flying after a prop change potentially. Nice review man.

amazeing hit! that was HARD hit! STEEL! that frame is best suited for a home seller:take all the slow fly through bushes ..ect..

Love the motors!

Nice looking frame. I really like how Karearea is innovating and doing their own thing.

Great frame and motors. The motors are crazy expensive though, but they look amazing. Got them in the USA at Defiance RC

I was there that day racing. I can say, I felt it hit that bench..

Thanks for reviewing this frame! I have had my eye on this one for a while and I had the very same question as you did, how was the turning characteristics of it. And you answered it. Thank you! You the man!!

Love that you don't mess around when it comes to durability tests. Side note: Sage Francis is your doppelganger, look him up on KZfaq.

My problem with the motors are that they require CW and CCW distinction. You break a CCW one, you have to find the CWW motor in stock. From using CW/CCW in the past, it can be a pain in the butt

i think maybe you could fill the screw holes with some epoxy or silicone, of course you need to remove the epoxy to service the innards, but you could carefully use a rotary tool to drill through the epoxy to access screws if needed.

Those 2 intentional crashes into a metal bench played back in slow mo were disturbingly enjoyable to watch! I'd say for racing; yeah pretty much indestructible. Freestylers will eventually destroy every component on a qaud. The frame may be the the last component in this case but eventually we break all our sh**.

now please vote and message them to downscale this frame to 3/4 inch size to get under 250g with all this durability :DDDD thanks JB for this vid

Great music choice while flying 👍

The material they used is epoxy resin. Its the same resin as in carbon fibre.

It's injection molded. They could bulge the plastic around the sides of the screw holes to eliminate those weak spots.

Difference between racing motors I guess, is the racing is meant for full out throttle longer. While freestyle is frequent high voltage blips

The intro is perfect especially the part before

JB that ending was funny thanks for the laughs and all the knowledge keep it up thank you

@Joshua Bardwell although not a 5" I know the Project 399 Practice Rig can take a hit like that and keep flying. I've hit brick walls, fence posts, racing gates with no damage to the carbon. Then again the Practice Rig is a 7" brick.

I loved the Ferris Bueller reference, thanks mike

The cloud in the background when your cruising around the track is a perfect P @ 12:48

gawd the high pitch cicadas!

As for the motor fins, though pricey as they are, the folks who might benefit from that slight edge are probably paying close to that now and flying right on the edge of needing it anyway, so good on them for making them. Maybe it will trickle down to lower prices motors in the future.

10:44 i definitely didn't wait two weeks just to see my quad in your video 😂

Any idea if you are going to get a chance to test the durability of Diatone Exorcist frame?

Man ! Those crickets are deafening in the outtro! 😱 hi pitch animals should not be in your outdoor studio🤣 great vid once again. Thnx

About motors creating trust on scale: effect is real but what about its importance during flight with propellers attached. During normal operation I quess that propellers should push air through motors, I would be entertained watching tests checking if design is beneficial.

Pretty impressive, Joshua! 😮 Fantastic review!!! Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

Love the shirt Josh!

Two posts in one day, I love it

Josh I know it's a little late but I'll send you my old bando slayer frame too build in with a cam and vtx too see if you can break that frame or too see what it takes too break it

Well .. the canopy is great to protect against grass-cuts but it will maybe overheat the electrinics like the vtx

I've seen the a video reviewing Toa Turbine motors used for freestyle, and the guy had a very positive opinion on them. I don't remember what channel it was on, though.

Joshua or anyone else: Has anyone ever tried to build a frame out of kevlar-carbon fiber? I feel like that would be the "strongest"... Maybe someday we'll have a frame made from woven spidersilk. I remember watching a show where scientists put some kind of silk gene from spiders into goats that they could extract from the milk so they could get big yields. Predicting in the future that the strength to weight ratio could "theoretically" allow them to build some kind of winch from space with spider silk as the media that would be technically strong enough to lift people/cargo and reduce the need to burn so much fuel to get into space. Sorry I know that that above thing is very random for a video on a drone but I'm curious where the hobby will go considering how fast it's advancing.

also the emax mt2204 2300kv motors that im used for a very long time in my hex) cooed themselve, (these are 3s motors and i used them always for 4s and they didnt get warm at all. but they pull air from the bottom and Ejekting it sideways out the spokes.

I have a feeling that the Armattan Mongoose could take that hit pretty good

That canopy looks like batman stole and repurposed the rocketeer's rudder helmet.

Do the ccw motors also get cooled from the fins? Or is it only the cw?

Should have the tattu shield hard case battery (Injection molded plastic) and one of them gnarly bulletproof kevlar straps+ummagrip.

You should do a video speed testing that quad with what those motors are able to do and see in comparison another fast quad without those type of motors

Fun review. Awesome crash test. Cool looking race frame, and at a reasonable price. Definitely more durable than the race frames I fly. My Source one has survived some serious crashes, but it's quite a bit heavier. Happy flying. 🤓

Ok so I know I'm a year late on this vid but I'm bored and I have been waiting for something new to come out for JB to review I have already seen his newest quad build and I just have to say I think these motors are freakin awesome!!!! Because I was wondering why motors didn't have this type of design awhile back when watching a vid on keeping your motors from heating up then BAM!!!! I see this vid lol I would love to have these motors on my first build which by the way hopefully will be the jb xilo 5inch🤞🏽....I can't believe I didn't get notified about this vid🤔 wtf YT lol this is an awesome quad and being super durable is even better for a newb like me 🤌🏾✌🏾

You should really try the motors on a freestyle quad.. I bought a set after watching Max Beamer’s vid on these and I’ll never fly anything else

How much of a beating could The Practice Rig by Project399 take? Its arms are 25mm wide and 6mm thick. It looks like Karearea could expand the area around the mounting holes to mitigate the cracking issue, but then again that thin section is just around the counterbore and the part under the screw should be much thicker so it might not be an issue anyway.

Your racing skills definitely improved.. Great review!

This in DJI HD and I would be sold. Protect the electronics well from mostly gate hits. Plus it should be good for reliability and don't need a fleet of 5 identical quads just to compete. Maybe 2 of these and you can compete well. We need HD livestreaming in races and freestyle.

My one is broken at the arms.... Just racing on grass. Of course I had some midair’s and crashes to the ground. Also I hit some fibrepoles from the gates. The middle thick part of the arms is broken. One in the front and one in the back.

Fossil 210 back in the day had a unbreakable drone frame most amazing frame i ever used i have no idea why that frame got over looked from all the big names. 2 years flying my fossil 210 frame only thing I ever had to repair was broken props. I switch to armattan and the repair bill skyrocketed lol

Bring back the cc nuts. For racing they're great! Yeah you have to think but small price to pay for insurance.

You should make this a series

Im sold... I've gotta get me one of these babies! The motors tho? Ughhh 32 a piece isn't very comforting to me..I think I'll go with my good old hyperlite RE 2208.5 1722kv's instead, absolutely LOVE them!

Joshua. Your scale shows an increse by 6-7g when you throttle. That means the motors are pushing air up and is going to be countered by the prop ye? or is it the airflow that pushes the scale down? if last it will be a very inconsistent testing method.

Intro is hilarious! I laughed through the first 5 minutes. Whack!!

Not the frame for me, but an interesting video nonetheless. The embedded motor cooling looks like a nice touch, and I'd sure like to see this trickle down to more affordable motors.

I have one with the turbine motors but yet to maiden and ya getn some greys in ya beard may look like bruce in a few years thats not a bad thing he is also a fpv wizard.

At 3:56 you say about the antenna that it will be blocked by the body, do you meen the pcb’s? Because the injection molded frame will have no effect on the rf signal compared to a carbon frame.

Enjoy all your videos. Looking at getting the Xilo. What is a good set of analog goggles to look into for 1st time fpver?

18+mins with DJI digital signal. all of that in basically this last year. Did the Vista or Air Unit get screaming hot at the end of the cruise?

Doesnt really mean it will generate the same thrust with the props on and that 6g will be added to the prop thrust

The plastic is not going to block the rf like the carbon fiber does

Wouldn't the prop force air down into the motors? ...like magnitudes more air?

Wait...to push in the scale the motors must be pushing air up? And pressing the quad generating those + 6 g of weight? So against the props? You should try with the quad upside down.

I think the BQE BotAFX Banger would take that hit. After lots of abuse, I stuck mine through an aluminum bleachers at speed - frames Ok, although the flex blue my stack apart. I gotta look for the DVR video - the Hero8 didn't survive ;)

The problem about the screw holes is an easy fix all they would have to do is increase the material arround the holes and problem solved, indestructible drone. Also the antenna being close to the body should have no effect on your reception because it's plastic right? Or am I just crazy

Joshua you need to do a test on the chameleon ti

If the motors were generating downward thrush, the weight sensed by the scale would decrease. In your example, the quad got heavier, demonstrating the motors were actually pushing the drone down with upward thrust. Am I wrong?

Mine broke second flight. Fell from about 20 feet high to my gravel driveway. Loaded up a tune on Falcox that was too much and it had a flyaway. Disarmed and it fell. Cracked one of the arms. It did fall directly on that one motor bumper on that arm though

Hm, isn't it the opposite of good that, for example, the arms don't break, but the thing that the electronics are mounted on *does* break? It's like how cars were designed in the '20s - all the energy went into the people, because the most of the car was rigid. If the frame has replaceable arms, those arms are cheaper than all the electronics that aren't the motors.

Its so cool.... I'll be sticking to carbon frames for now though.

A nick on the pointy spot? Technical term, Lol. Your video's are way more informative than other quad/race/free style/ whatever channels (even the others on RR- shhh but don't tell them)