Dude, SAME! I've been scrolling and I've only seen a couple comments saying crap like "well you didn't throw rocks", "fafo", and "rocks are so dangerous!" 😐...🤦‍♀️

Exactly.

Martial law. Even In the u.s you throw a rock at a lapd officer. You will get thrown in jail for attempted assault do a peace officer. 6months to 1 year in jail for a first time offense.

Because it is terrorism, there have been numerous soldiers/civilians who have died by being struck by these rocks in the head. It’s easy to talk about it out of context but very complicated when you see the result of some of the blunt force trauma a “nonviolent” item like a rock can do to a person.

@@PerriElias Throwing a rock is terrorism? Where is the proof that civilians and soldiers died by the rocks?

Very true

This whole conversation is exhausting to me. The victimhood of the Israel-sympathizers is insane when we're comparing David to Goliath: Israel receives billions of dollars in military aid from the U.S government. The Palestinians have nothing. The devastation between both sides is incomparable. Ariel admitting to partying on the beach when people are being murdered in an open air prison mere miles away says it all.

Facts

seriously. I am open to hear both sides, but that dork goes ahead and says something so inhumane. Very difficult to sympathize with them after that.

I stopped engaging after that.

but it still doesn't invalidate their views and opinions.

50,000 in the streets of Texas supporting Palestine says otherwise.

I guarantee all of new york supports isreal. ​@@Nyabennah

fr they only saw things from the news and then they say that the news is not a trustworthy source

they already did a video 5 years ago. a new one with other people and prompts would be nice tho

Do you condemn Hamas?

@@sylviesaurusrex6132 According to Islamic law, which is largely enforced by the Hamas authorities, a women's testimony is worth half that of a man's. The laws of adultery are also codified according to gender; an adulterer is punished with six months in prison, while an adulteress is jailed for two years.

@@sylviesaurusrex6132most of the Palestinian people don’t even support Hamas nor want them running the country

She said what she heard from the parents of her ex husband. Thats not a FACT

He was saying that all people are tried first before given a sentence, because the Palestinian woman said her ex husband was jailed for 4 years without a trial.

They cant grt over their bais, its only this year that mainstream media had somewhat started being truthful about the occupation.

True

I expect they’re referring to the fact that Biden lifted sanctions on Iran that directly funded the Hamas attacks on Israel. He did this twice in the last two months.

@@JackFran4193 He is doing that because of Oil and that Iran does not join the Brics countries totally because Saudi Arabia is acting up. It has nothing to do with supporting Hamas because Isreal needs Hamas to hide their aggressive attacks on Gaza. Neta said it himself.

America litteraly two days ago declined the ceasfire in palestine and it was the only country declining that ...

They did it in purpose

@@Nat-cf6nm​​⁠and the purpose is that they are not even there, can you provide the valid facts? all information from this war are all BIAS, no place for neutral. just remember that!

Who started it? 7th - 1168 deaths, 600 civilians. Preceded by 2008, "cast lead" operation, - 2,325 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,440. 2014, "protective edge" operation, 17,533 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,492. 2008-2022 162,000+ Civilian Casualties.

your username feels ironic even though I know it's from Alien.

No body agrees. This is a super complex issue, and what one side accepts as facts, the other denies.

You don't no the situation than be quiet

@@Arbelshshut up

@@Arbelsh If you don't know how to spell simple english words, use a dictionary or auto-correct. :)

​@@ArbelshI'm curious, what would you do if you were in the place of the Palestinians?

@@shaimael-elaimy590I often (try to) look at conflicts by putting myself in the other persons shoes and it is really helpful and I totally agree if I was a Palestinian I probably would throw rocks at the tank, but you also have to think about what you’d do if a whole village starts throwing rocks at your military vehicle. You either flee the area or arrest them there’s not much other choice

Actually, the guy accused Reema of lying not the woman. But I Dont think thats what he meant. I think he was accusing her lying about the generalization that there are no trials. Either way, even if thats true Reema explained herself well enough after. I think even if thats what he means, thats not the takeaway from the whole video. Obviously there are statements that both sides said that many people will not agree with.

You’re not paying attention lmao

Do you condemn Hamas?

Well said

@@mariamsleiman3499 Do you condemn Hamas?

The thing is that, like Shaani said, there have been so many peace plans offered and yet they were all rejected. The only reason that displacement occurred was that there was a war and the Palestinians lost. Palestinians who decided to stay were given Israeli citizenship and are full Israeli citizens to this day, they make up 25% of the Israeli population.

Tomer said it as slip, then tried to correct himself

time stamp?@@habibihousepodcast

​@@luther9678that's because the offers weren't even a meaningful change from the status quo. Israeli police, no borders, etc, it wasn't an actual offer.

And the Palestinians can’t admit that Hamas is for the extermination of Jewish people and complete eradication of Israel. What’s your point?

it is in their playbook

What's even crazier is calling someone a terrorists for throwing a rock at a tank! Secondly, the tank is not in Israeli it is in occupied West Bank.

What was the comparison?

It’s called war

@@oc5297 So this happens before the "war".

Do you condemn Hamas?

if you can indoctrinate children into commiting crimes, no matter their age, they are terrorists unfortunately

@@chrisdawson1776 why are you under every comment section asking a braindead question. Of course everyone condemns hamas

@@qcabone Do you condemn Hamas?

@@chrisdawson1776do you condemn IDF war crimes

First, she said her husband had to go to prison without a trial. When the Israelis said that couldn't be the case, she changed her words and said he didn't have a fair trial. So I think the correction was important. To say that people are in prison for years without any trial is in fact a lie that has been exposed thanks to the objections of the Israelis.

That's wut always happens

@@DeviYim fair enough I didn't catch on to that

Yes, I caught that too.@@DeviYim

@@DeviYim maybe she meant in total a "fair trial" as any kind of trial. it doesn't matter if it applies to her husband but as a whole this happens to thousands of Palestinians. You can google how many Palestinians are in Israeli prisons without trial, the number will surprise you. (spoilers: 4450 indefinitely incarcerated without charge, some of them are children)

We have that, the thing is that more or less only academics watch it. People don't actually want that. You want your ideas to be validated by someone better at manipulating the audience than these guys.

​@@domerame5913do we have something like that?? Do you know what it's called or where I can watch it? I'm actually very interested in seeing that

​@@domerame5913where?

Jubilee doesn’t really care about that

The facts and analysis go against the israeli agenda

Lots of great videos like that here on KZfaq! Son of Hamas is one

There are many try IDG channel or Mohammed Hijab history of Jews which is 1h long Only the racists refuse to because he's not white enough for their tastes even with his multiple PhDs

The problem with listening to the vast majority of actual historians is that Israel would look very terrible. Which it is, it's an apartheid state. Jubilees vids don't exist to educate.

norman finkelstein would be PERFECT! & BEN SHAPIRO cause Norman would obliterate him in a debate.

please no experts anymore

Do you condemn Hamas?

Well when you think about it israel has more logic behind their arguments. Palestine has more strength in emotional stories rather than fact

I'm sorry, all you got from that story was he partied on a beach, not that his whole world got turned upside down when he literally watched terrorists storm the beach he was on to slaughter and rape his friends and family.

​@chrisdawson1776 do you condemn Israel?

​@@chrisdawson1776 do you condemn israel?

Do you condemn Hamas?

Please don't tell me you're going to a jubilee debate for education on this issue

That’s not really the point of middle ground. At least not in this prompt.

Not the point of this at all. Go find a universo lecture for that.

As others have mentioned if you want more of the same you have plenty of options and have come to the wrong place. Everyone here who’s directly affected deserves a voice, even moreso than the same redundant “historians” all over KZfaq have have zero experience in this nor are actually affected by it. I think you should have just appreciated those of us who are currently mourning losses and directly affected by it giving our time to this and sharing our perspectives.

i love how people are getting pressed over me asking for more discussions like these but with other people 😭

As soon as they begin to do that, people on either side of the issue will immediately see bias. Fact checking isn’t as easy as just saying “true” or “false”

Especially the guy that kept using the argument of beheaded babies, that was debunked by even Israeli sources

​@@Basil_in_the_Wildthey literally did fact checking when it was a debate between scientists

@@stinkygremlin267some facts Re harder to verify especially when its a topic filled with misinformation

The problem with that was discussed during the prompt about news sources, both sides have biases and both sides who are living through the same timeline have two different stories of the same event, it’s nearly impossible to fact check this imo

@@chrisdawson1776 lol do u condemn genocide

@@chrisdawson1776 do you condemn genocide?

@@chrisdawson1776do you condemn genocide(3)

@@BKKdangerousXXX Do you condemn Hamas?

@@salsabiltolba7602 Do you condemn Hamas?

I agree and I see the silence of the Israeli ones when they were listening to the loss of life on the Palestinian side. Or a single word of sympathy. But that’s the mentality of a coloniser.

@@geegeeh.6118 Are you joking? They literally showed sympathy and said "I'm sorry for your loss" in the FIRST TWO MINUTES. Stop lying.

@@geegeeh.6118 Do you condemn Hamas?

@@geegeeh.6118 word.

@@sharoncohen318 oh and what about the "thats not true" response to that one woman just describing her ex husbands trauma?

Yup! Was just going to say this!

Some peoples "facts" are misinformation or bias, so id rather they not. Let the audience do their own research.

@@Momo-po5tnon the other hand, if they put their sources up on the screen and in the descriptions you can still do your own research. Sometimes Jubilee presents a bias in their videos and it would make it easier to determine if they are doing so

Asterisks would be everywhere if they had to advise discretion & post a caveat every second.

@@FactStormYya its super complicated like Israel shut off the water but it was 1 pipeline and there wouldve been btr pipelines and cleaning units if hamas hadnt used the pipes for missiles but then u can argue some of the outreach from Israel wasnt fair enough or diplomatic enough and shutting off the water is complicated too some ppl say its collective punishment but Israel says it was to make hostage negotiations faster cuz they hav a responsibility to defend their citizens and citizens of their allies LIKE DUDE even in a 100 years if we survive that long ppl r still gonna be arguing which side was worse or didnt do enough- imo Islam makes it impossible for Israel to take down the walls or allow btr visa traffic into their country and the world hates Jewish ppl and theyve been persecuted forever so they need a homeland but the settlements r messed up and should be abolished and Hamas 100% needs to be destroyed bfr any diplomatic decisions can be enacted cuz they pose an existential threat to every Jewish person in Israel

YES

Correct

No. We are in an active war. Such a thing as ''fact checking'' is almost impossible in such a short period of time.

These conversations between average everyday citizens from each sides of a debate is important to have without experts, professionals, etc bc it is a mirror reflection of everyday discourse of their lived experiences. Watching these Middle Ground series gives great perspectives of everyday people in the absence of experts

Anybody with a will and an open google browser would be fine too

No some of them are just blind like how they just bury their head in the sand and scream and scream and scream that Israel bombed this hospital

Do you condemn Hamas?

@chrisdawson1776 Do you condemn Israel?

@@KenH60109 Why would they condemn Israel. This doesn’t work as a comeback because whether Israel is doing something bad is debated while refusing to condemn Hamas is universally seen as bad. Hence we can reasonably assume Hamas is worse than Israel

@@KenH60109 Do you condemn Hamas?

Do you condemn Hamas?

​@@chrisdawson1776 Do you condemn the Zionist m**der machine?

Wasn’t it before she even knew her husband? Sounds like there’s details missing

She was lying, she didn’t even know her ex- husband at that time. She doesn’t have the fact

@@zeyv4551bro YALL all need to watch that part again, yes she said that all of that happened BEFORE she met him or even got married, she knows that happened to him because HIS family told her about it and how HIS FAMILY noticed he was different after the experience, she deadass says that In the video

@@Maranatha371he told her

The funny thing is that is a regular occurrence in the West Bank. Shows how little that guy actually knows about Israel.

Additionally when religion is involved you have codified behavioral structures that make dehumanization much easier. Especially the Abrahamic religions which were essentially evolved to be effective war vehicles to secure resources & social power for the relevant in-groups.

Religion has little to do with it. This is settler colonialism, Europeans came to Palestine in the early 1900s and created a state at the expense of an already existing population.

@@Skapo Religious trauma is crazy

That's why we need to get back to the reality that we need to remember were all humans.

@@Skaporeligion is like fire, u cannot survive without it u need it but u can easily abuse it for your evil drives. So what we need is wisdom

@@chrisdawson1776this comment wasn’t even about Hamas 💀

@@fortnitefishygaming4632 Do you condemn Hamas?

@@chrisdawson1776 Do you?

@@fortnitefishygaming4632 Do you condemn Hamas?

@@fortnitefishygaming4632 No.

exactly

Such a clownish comment. You've been watching CNN haven't you? Or are you a college student?

@@jjanney850 bootlicking won't do you any favours buddy

@@purabj3604But what if he really enjoys the taste?

So they shouldn't talk at all?

Yes i wish they would have had older people on both sides that didn't just grow up in america.

That generation can't see past their rage. Peace belongs to this and future generations.

It's the young who are fighting the war though

​@@mgs85 No it's the grown ups fighting, the elders watching, and the new generations experiencing it

@@mgs85 True, but the war has been going on (and off, and on, and off) for decades. We could benefit from perspectives of older veterans or others affected by the conflict.

kinda shows how racist israel is and how much apartheit exists there tbh , that was a selfreport.

It doesn't make any sense. Two millions of Palestinian arabs live in Israel as citizens, some of them serve in IDF at this very moment. This clearly shows that it has nothing to do with ethnicity and has everything to do with culture, to assume otherwise is racist.

@@dieauferstehung Palestinians are not Israeli citizens

@@Firstname_Surname💯👍🏻

@@dieauferstehung there is literally no apartheit. you just proved that you are purposly uneducated. there are about 2million arabs in israel. all of them are citizens of israel. they have equal rights like any other citizen of israel. there are arab parliament members, arab judges. and there was a famous case an arab citizen put an israeli prime minsiter in prison. so if that is apartheid i wish every country in the world would be like that.

Pro-Israel Arabs and anti-Israel Jews.

Agreed, some of the stuff that's been said even Israeli media have backtracked on saying it was false

⁠@@Whirlbeeeverything the Israelis said is a fact. Nothing they said was proven ‘false’ by Israeli media or any.

@@user-ig7lm6zt5i Haaretz has published about investigations around it, even the IDF & Israeli PR have said there were never beheaded babies

@@user-ig7lm6zt5i40 babies…yet it was actually 2 and they admitted this.

@@user-ig7lm6zt5iYou’re so brainwashed not even the israeli media convinces you? Lmao

Thats because there are major countries who are interested in that area. Also arabs have 40 something seats in the UN. there are so many un resolutions and actions about israel palestine but crickets about whats happening in other places pf the world.

Sadly people don’t care as much about those conversations because they aren’t showing up on their “for you” pages. Everyone now has strong opinions and is a historian and activist for this issue because it boosts their social credit score, as crazy as that sounds.

Well I wouldn’t say the Turks have suffered like Armenians and Azeris have… they are the majority and they’re huge and very powerful. America is their ally and they’re the cause of so much grief. I wouldn’t respect a Turk who sat on this panel and defended their country for all the tragedies they’ve committed and continue to commit. They’re a bear squashing ants(us Armenians). There’s no fair fight or argument there.

@@terraguttierez2996 Wrong. Russia has been involved for years since the fall of the USSR. But since Nagorno-karabakh was invaded by Azerbaijan, Russia betrayed Armenia by doing nothing to help. Now they are actively seeking alliances with Western countries instead.

​@@unmastered6154 women and kids getting beat by IDf this conflict is not like others if you follow the videos that come from there and im not from that region

Do you condemn Hamas?

@@chrisdawson1776 loser get a life

Much better than he does that's for sure.

They are oppressed by Hamas, whom they voted for.

Do you condemn Hamas?

Well guess what many historians who're themselves Jewish like Noam Chomsky and Norman Finkelstein are a nightmare for Zionists. Surprising how we all listen to Noam Chomsky on everything but reject him on this issue

Who started it? 7th - 1168 deaths, 600 civilians. Preceded by 2008, "cast lead" operation, - 2,325 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,440. 2014, "protective edge" operation, 17,533 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,492. 2008-2022 162,000+ Civilian Casualties.

Jubilee shouldn't be responsible for peoples own "research" jubilee are jsut interviews but may have misinterpreted what you said.

@@mznxbcv12345 it anything I'd say neither side started it. It would be either the UN for giving the land away or the neighbouring nations attacking israel on ints formation

@@mznxbcv12345 , the further you go back in history, the more muddled the righteous truth becomes. That's the problem.

Amen and Ameem. May we one day all know peace.

This here is the reason why you all keep fighting. How can you not assume that each one of those people who have died in ANY fight do not have 1 person that will miss or loved them?

​@@joshuaw9009I don't see them saying that, you're assuming that about them. They were simply saying that it's painful to see it on these people, you can know of tragedy and have empathy, but when you see it it's much more impactful.

It’s telling how the conversation got toxic the moment the people who had not lost anyone joined the table.

What would you say you disagreed on and which people?

Calling for the expulsion of all Israelites isn’t either

Israel has muslim arab citizens inside Israel proper who live in peace, it is exactly what is offered again and again, despite their genocidal intentions

We gave gaza back to them. We wanted peace. They destroyed the infrastructure and turned them into rockets...

@@jf9593 do you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about like about. They 100% do NOT live in peace.

Do you condemn Hamas?

get real

Also they clip so many conversations down to the most basic statements. It’s not even interesting sometimes bc it’s clear they edit out the actual debate parts of some questions. They should release unedited footage.

Debate is like war. Let it be and see who wins in this game.

@@Justin-yt7piNo it’s not. Debate SHOULD be about analyzing the facts (they also URGENTLY need a fact checker) and critically assessing the opinions expressed, without people talking past or yelling angrily at each other. War is the last thing everyone needs.

the topics/talking points seem so vague and are just blankstatements instead of statements that can be debated. "i have lost someone in war" these just seem like agreeable statements. of course both israel and palestine supporters have lost people, how is that a talking point? what can be debated? these topics aren't even starting the conversations that could potentially lead to a middle ground. seems like we are purposely avoiding the harsh conversations for feelings sake. if we want each side to truly attempt to understand each other we have to push boundaries and stop being scared to debate.

They clearly moderate and edit out the moderation. They do this on purpose to have the effect of humans sitting around a dinner table and being able to talk.

I thought the women were incredible all around. And of the men, talal was great. It especially touched my heart when he mentioned that both Jews are Muslims are descendants of the same prophets and are brothers.

No one says that😂

@@JXekil_Ithere’s no need to lie. The few women that have been in power of a country have been scrutinized brutally for their presumed lack of emotional regulation before displaying anything to justify such a statement.

@@Duckduckobtusegoose wdym lie, I’m not lying😂. Can you give me more than one example where people have acted in such a way? I’m not a liar, maybe I’m just uneducated, but you can determine that by proving me wrong.

@@JXekil_Ijust because you don’t see it doesn’t mean it isn’t real, the world doesn’t revolve around you

Do you condemn Hamas?

@@chrisdawson1776 do you condemn your motha

@@Ak44499 Grow up

@@chrisdawson1776 you first

@@stonecoldattitudeera You have no soul.

I think that they didn’t moderate so as not to, whether consciously or subconsciously, indicate a bias. Any moderation would have taken away from the free-flowing exchange and made it seem as if the media outlet had a specific perspective.

yup I was surprised the moderator just let that happen

@@juliekennedy9891 They do it with every other video though

@@juliekennedy9891 Asking people to talk one at a time, instead of at the same moment, isn't showing bias. It's called taking turns, we learn this as adolescents.

That’s what I liked about it. Imagine if Shawnee and talal could be the leaders of Israel and Palestine, life would be beautiful.

Yeah they moderate other middle ground episodes but not this one

no need for moderation, people can speak for themselves, all of them were wonderful

people can speak for themselves

@@radio-dadathe isreal side was constantly talking over and interrupting wuesitons

⁠@@aidantarango5158 only because the palestinian side was invalidating everything the israelis said

Do you condemn Hamas?

Do you condemn Hamas?

Thank you! I'm pulling my hair out because people are mind numbingly ignorant of history as they keep calling for genocide. Many of which don't realize that's what they are calling for. Even a little bit of reading on wikipedia would add so much context, but they can't be bothered to even do that much and just keep doubling down on stuff that they have no understanding of.

Doesn’t require a brain of newton to just be against ethnic cleasing genocide and colonialism ❤

And mostly it's leftists in the west who claim to be israel/palestine experts

Not really , the truth is Islam should be abolished no matter the cause

I'm not reading all that tbh Israel better js free Israel 🇮🇱🙌

😂 my reaction says it all

They’re insane

After he said that, I couldn’t take him serious

They're taught that arabs and palestinians are their natural enemy..

😂 exactly!

Do you condemn Hamas?

They have, but they want more than just the gaza strip for obvious reasons

@@zerog1037 Do you condemn Hamas?

yup

lol oh its international law you say?? hamas is great at international law huh??

​​@@estabanfiesta3806why is it that we should condemn hamas but not the IDF? Human shields? 18000 palastenians died only 100 of them were members of hamas That means every 15 hamas fighters hide behind 2700 civilians....weird ratio isn't it?

we in argentina have a saying which goes ''made the law, made the trick''

@@estabanfiesta3806 But isn't Hammas the evil people, with your logic then the IDF are just terrorists like Hammas!

Exactly. He was hugely hypocritical.

Yesss the hypocrosy

Netanyahu doesn’t order his soldiers to film themselves raping people at Gaza concerts

Hamas are TERRORISTS! They are no different from U/S Gangs like the crips and bloods. Snap out of it!

That’s not what majority of Israelis feel - and I speak of that as one and who lived in Israel

Do you condemn Hamsa?

@@chrisdawson1776 yes, and most non extremists will. Do you condemn israel opressing palestine?

@@undefined69 No. All of the region is their land to begin with.

@@chrisdawson1776 It seems you are a real academic, explain to me how the entirety of that region including gaza belongs to the state of Israel.

@@undefined69 You are 12.

Do you condemn Hamsa?

@@chrisdawson1776 Do you condemn Netanyahu 🤡

💣 🔪 🔥 😂😂😂

Usually I’m expecting a mess but this is not the mess I want to see

and somehow this was the most mature conversation that has taken place from the other ones i did watch out of interest

Who started it? 7th - 1168 deaths, 600 civilians. Preceded by 2008, "cast lead" operation, - 2,325 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,440. 2014, "protective edge" operation, 17,533 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,492. 2008-2022 162,000+ Civilian Casualties.

The goal isn’t to break through to find any truth. The goal is to get views and comments, which is precisely why they don’t moderate. And hey, it worked, here we are.

lol for real, and that one girl says she can't go on facebook daily because she will see lists of people dying... like HOW. its in the statistics@@mznxbcv12345

@@mznxbcv12345so are you suggesting hamas was justified on October 7th because of something that happened TEN YEARS earlier? If so was Israel justified because of something In 2005?

2008-2022 162,000+ numbers of the 7th was a statistical error lol save porcine tears for someone else.

And I always wondered; why is nato not blamed for the root problem? 🤷🏼‍♀️

Do you condemn Hamas?

Do you condemn Hamas?

@@chrisdawson1776 Is this a joke to you? Have some humanity

@@almahi1773 If you have humanity, you will condemn Hamas.

@@chrisdawson1776 well obviously, but you kinda sound like you’re cynical about it, instead of actually mean it

@@almahi1773 Is English your tenth language?

That would be interesting to me and I'm from the UK and mixed white and black.

I agree wholeheartedly.

No we don’t need an Indian and Pakistani episode 😂 pls I’m an Pakistani and pls don’t put us next to Indian. We don’t want anything to do with yall indian, leave US PAKISTANIS ALONE.

Nah 😂 u can’t compare Israel Palestine with Pakistan and india . Very different and we Pakistanis don’t want anything to do wit y’all Indians

Include Kashmiris in there too to be fair in that

its not a conflict its genocide

if only it were a conflict

@@muniramajor7597this word seems to have been watered down over the past couple months.

And yet you still dont get it@@Liyyaxx

Nga idgaf Israel better 🇮🇱🙌

Do you condemn Hamsa?

It’s showing how people that aren’t politically involved talk about this. You can fact check 😭😂

what stats could possibly influence this conflict? what numbers about what items makes this more clear?

Yep lmao

@@The.marauders 🗿 than why is this conversation taken place? Israel has been trying to integrate neighbors.

10 years ago

yes they did lmao

Followed by a video with pro-Israel Arabs and pro-Palestine Arabs.

and one with arabs

Yes! That would definitely be an interesting episode

Plsss😊

It would be boring a convo between nationalists and traitors

What proof does she have? People lie, especially Muslims.

especially lol. Which Muslim country have you lived in? What Muslim friends do you have? Do you have personal evidence? I lived in malaysia, saudi, UK, and Qatar. Get to know Muslims in real life, not media. My American teacher lived in Qatar for 7 years and she said Muslims/ Arabs are one of the kindest people. She expected to stay for only 1 or 2 years but she stayed for 7 @@Nollic15

Crackhead was lying

People lie, especially to prove their point. She can be lying... who knows. He is saying there are laws in place, people don't just go to jail without proper reasoning.

@@naylisyazwina6836 How are UK and Malaysia relevant lol? They aren't fully Muslim countries like Saudi or Qatar.

I've looked into this and it is pretty clear to me that Hamas is the issue and the Palestinians throughout their history don't seem to want to cohabitate peacefully with Israel and the Jews idk if it is because of religion or resentment but you can't be the aggressor then play the victim when Israel responds

@@joe2times381bro israel legit stole the land of the palestinian people.

It’s interesting cause black freedom fighters in the US have historically sided with Palestine! I believe that the issues they have gone through are similar to the plight of black people across the globe.

​@@joe2times381it's because Zionists stole their land in1948 and kicked them out of their house. Google the Nakba

There are palestinian christians whose voices are ignored by west christian. Learn about Shireen abu akleh. Learn about her death and her chaotic funeral. Wallahu a'lam

Do you condemn Hamas?

It’s a start for sure

Even in the Israeli-Palestine Middle Ground video from 5 years ago, they all sat at a table and then shared a meal at the end. It was beautiful

This video was full of bios.

Hes an insane person for saying that. At least she was like "that is the rule of the land but maybe not the reality". Palestinians constantly protest this. Families speak to outlets all the time about their loved ones being taken away.

could you give me your source for the last your last statement

I have some facts below, and have cited sources, although it is up to you if you want to believe them: “500-700 children are detained by Israeli Forces every year. Around 13,000 have been arbitrarily detained, interrogated, tried in military courts and imprisoned since 2000, with thousands detained before this date.” Source: Defence for Children International - Palestine. “Research by ‘Save the Children’ found that Palestinian minors in Israeli detention endured physical, emotional and s*xual abuse. These children were often arrested at night and blindfolded with their hands and feet tied. 86% said they had been beaten, 69% said they had been strip-searched. Children reported being interrogated at unknown locations without a lawyer or parent present.” Source: Save the Children. “Israel allows minors to be prosecuted in military courts, which may accept confessions obtained by coercion or torture. 500-700 children are tried in military courts in Israel every year, the most common charge is stone-throwing, which can a prison sentence of up to 20 years.” Source: Defence for Children International - Palestine.

To maintain some of the autonomy, Palestinians have their own legal system that handles all crimes that are not security-related. For security-related crimes, Palestinians are trailed by a legal entity under the Israeli military. If you judge Palestinians in Israel's normal justice system, this is de facto annexation of the West Bank. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't want Israel to annex the Occupied Territories? This is not done to hurt Palestinians, and being trailed in military court doesn't mean you get an unfair trial. This is simply done to avoid annexation.

Palestinians have another state called Jordan

Do you condemn Hamas?

Smart people support Palestine. Idiots support israel

Chanting 'by any means' for sure does sound antisemitic to any reasonable person

amongst the people, there are alot of people on either side.

@@Dheel8361 I said more supported not completely. I'm not denying the existence of antisemitic people in the west or in the pro-Palestinian movement but its certain not the majority of protesters and they should still be given the freedom to criticize a government thats committing atrocities just like people are free to condemn Hamas without it being anti-palestinian.

Yeah our government has a relationship with Israel, but the media and prominent figures are more supportive of Palestine.

No need. Everything has been said here is already out there and everyone knows about it

Jubilee can't manage to be objective. They've tried before, but it ends in footnotes at the bottom of the screen that HEAVILY favor one side and mock the other, that are usually not needed at all.

@@ImGonnaFuckaPokemon69 what I’m saying is, they should put the unbiased facts on screen, like they’ve done in some of their other middle ground videos

The problem is a lot of fact checkers are owned by the media that only pushes propoganda . I’ve seen them take a fact and screw one small detail to then say it was false. They are very manipulative. I almost feel like people on the ground are more accurate than all media.

@@dimbulb2959 He answered you. when they try to fact check they often end up putting up footnotes that favor one side. It's hard to be objective so they just give perspective. which I think is fair enough

Do you condemn Hamas?

Do you condemn Hamas?

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Pro Israel people are so delusional about western countries media.

just like there has been on the other side... like, im almost sure that both sides agreed on that...

@@luismartins1713 you can't have bias on both sides. there is more favoritism for the israeli side in american media

That is so not true! The American media keeps reporting things that are unbiased and apologising for their mistakes. They always rush to blame

I’m glad you had the opportunity to talk about your side’s perspective. I may not agree with everything everyone said, but watching this video helps me develop a better understanding of where everyone is coming from. It’s great to watch you in this video.

I don’t understand why they would not just upload the entire episode, maybe in two parts or something. This is such an important conversation

They need to release the full video!!

@@WickedWestCreations I’ll make a KZfaq video about it soon!

You were really trying to be patient and it is understandable. The amount of trauma the Palestinians went and still are going through till this day is unimaginable. The fact that one of the Israelis mentioned partying (seems like parties and music festivals are a frequent thing over there) while Palestinians are barely living a stable life just says it all. It is clear from this interview and after seeing other interviews with Israelis (in parks, the beach and mall) that they're living a much more privilaged life with many of them not knowing anything about politics or history. Sending hope, strength, love and support from Jordan

Do you condemn Hamas?

I’m pretty sure she’s lying. He did something to warrant that response unless it’s an absolute lie cause that lady lies

@@NasMas-lz8er explain the food workers dying today?

@@NasMas-lz8er Why do you assume _she's_ lying? Her husband could be lying to her. It's not like she was there personally. (I don't think she was from what I remember) She's just assuming what he's telling her is true. People lie to their spouses all the time, especially in situations like this.

Many sources any be in Hebrew (for Israeli sources) or Arabic and that may be a reason you can’t find more information on it and the speaker in the video was able to find more information.

Aybe ask yourself why dont they have water in first place? How do they have missiles, weapons, tons of tunnels and money for all the above, but not basic infrastructure? They want israel to help? Then ok they help. But its not their responsibility especially not in war

@@user-vp8cr2uh4k They have missiles because they smuggle them in and/or built them in Gaza. They probably have smuggled some food and water into Gaza, however Israel controls the entire strip. Every money that comes officially to Gaza, has first to go through Israel. Every food that comes to or out of Gaza has to be approved by Israel. Egypt also follows Israel commands. Even crazier before oct 7th, Israel had controlled the calorie intake for the population and limits entry of imports to below average needs for humans. Obviously Gaza also provides some of the food for their people, but generally they have to rely on Israel, because they control their every border. As an occuppying force, they are also obliged to keep the occupied party nourished or else it again is considered a war crime under international law. They obviously can lift the almost 20yr siege of Gaza and let them get food and water from other sources. Also did you know that Israel steals the water from the west bank and sells a limited amount back to them? Israelis have approx. 4 times the amount of water than the people in the west bank.

Gaza receives the most aid out of anywhere in the world. They get hundreds of millions of dollars every year. Where is the water infrastructure, where did the money go?

​@@user-vp8cr2uh4k Its not a war in the first place Its a genocide

I agree, they shouldn't be allowed to speak over each other either, it's a blatant lack of respect. Ariel repeatedly interrupted everyone else, even when he didn't really have anything to add to the conversation other than 'I don't believe that'. If I was organizing debates like these I wouldn't allow people to interrupt each other from either side, maybe there's one microphone, and each person takes turns, perhaps politely raise their hand to speak next if they have something else to add. Its a respect issue and it's a practical issue. This is supposed to be a discussion, and I can't understand anything being said in the moments where there are 2,3, or 4 people talking over each other, all at once.

You can't fecking get middle ground when people are debating genocide.

​@@andysplants I agree, Ariel and Gus from the Palestine side kept interrupting. They weren't there to find middle ground.

​@@stinkygremlin267My thoughts exactly, sometimes one side is just wrong

@@andysplantshe was insufferable the entire time. Anyone from the Palestinian side: “kids are dying…” Ariel: NO. NOT TRUE. KHAMAS! KHAMAS! My goodness.

Do you condemn Hamas?

@@chrisdawson1776 no

@@user-rw6fj5qc8k Why?

@@user-rw6fj5qc8k Why do you refuse to condemn Hamas?

@@chrisdawson1776 hey sorry I wasn’t paying attention. No, I do not support Hamas.

There are/were Jewish Palestinians too

That point of view is the best place to re start these kinds of conversations. I don't expect the governments to do that, but someone has to.

All the Palestinian supporters here were Arabs and all the Israeli supporters in this are Jewish. Just two sides trying to protect their families, as simple as that

You mean Israeli, not Jewish

Not true real jews are pro palestine its against their religion to have a country called israel

Well this is true of many, many countries. Why are the Palestinians somehow unique from Afghanis or North Koreans or any other isolated population?

lmao you should look up how many jews were expelled from the swana region bruh

@@tofuwiener For real! 50% of Israel's population are migrants from the middle easy post 1948 - BECAUSE of Arab/Muslim hatred of Jews.

@@benb6527did anyone say they were unique? Where was the word unique used?

@@tofuwienerpeople like to ignore this fact. Also that the war was started by the Palestinians who refused to acknowledge the rights of the Jewish people.

exactly! Israel is also the only country in the world that punishes children in military court.

I was like whattttt the F*

Yeah like what ??? That's not normal

@@lybakhan6246 because those children are carrying bombs and stabbing people.

the way he just called her a liar to her face too...

very much so

Having privilege doesn’t make you bad or wrong.

Big time

Big time!

@@HerWanderlustyour so quick to defend when the other person didn’t even say anything was bad about it, just acknowledge the privellege that this man’s children have to not know about what’s going on that Palestinian children don’t have.

yup

Which side? Because there where plenty of denial going around.

​@@jordanappel5428probably israélis they're Always lying

⁠@@jordanappel5428Israel obviously

Do you mean 7th Oct and without going into a debate about whether this started years before the 7th Oct. To the world they saw things no civilised humans should do to another,if you can't accept that how do you expect those that saw that ever to see your argument

Read the Hamas and PLO/Fatah Charters!!! Then you'll understand!!

they conflate the two constantly

@@shainazion4073 Have you?!

@@shainazion4073 i read the charter and it clearly talks about zionists u need to read em instead of parroting

@@hypatiaalex Polly want a cracker?

Do you condemn Hamas?

bro are you a bot@@chrisdawson1776, you asked 3 other people in other comments as well, and still havent been answered

@@AmmarHasan-gd7xnI have seen at least 30 comments from him, I wouldn’t be surprised if he is.

I totally agree, that was frustrating.

same with shawnni every time she was trying to speak she would only be given 2 seconds before someone would interrupt her and it infuriated me just let everyone have their time to speak their part before everyone just jumps in.

@@kalebowman3649shawni literally told lies on top of lies

@@mystery8207 same w Ariel 😭 like 40 beheaded babies isn’t even true. And the babies in ovens were actually Palestinians.

@@kalebowman3649no she was the one who spoke the most she even went on for a whole minute and lied about Israel not controlling Gaza’s water supply

@@chrisdawson1776 what does this have to do with fact checking my dude?

@@rachelmazza4079 Do you condemn Hamas?

@@chrisdawson1776do you condemn offing ur self?

@@Useruknown-xx2vw Do you condemn Hamas?

@@chrisdawson1776 Yes sir I do condemn those Basterds

All of the Pro-Israeli side except Jonah are Israelis. You can hear it in their accents as well

Do you condemn Hamas?

I'm trying to do the exact same thing. And I will never.

No, it isn't. We have hostages in gaza. Not just soldiers, but mostly citizens. Babies, kids, elderly, women and men

The fact this comment went unchecked for this long is insane

as always

How so if I may ask? By the way, I’m not disagreeing with you, I just have difficulty recognizing instances of when gaslighting occurs. 🤦‍♂️

From the ISRAELIS? Cuz the israelis seemed to still have some compassion for the other side while the palestinians on the panel constantly tried to suppress and delegitimize the other side, not even allowing them to showcase grief.

@@melodicvirginia 😂😂😂proved our point, thank you.