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Just Flight Pa28s for MSFS - New Update! | Review by Flight Instructor

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Fly From Home

Fly From Home

Күн бұрын

For a while now, the Just Flight Pa28s, once the best GA addon in the game, have been left behind by the constantly evolving state of the sim's flight model. Now though, there's been a huge new update bringing flight model changes and new features!
Is the original 'study level' GA aircraft for MSFS back?
TIMESTAMPS
01:22 EFB update and Warrior
20:10 Arrow III
33:14 Turbo Arrow and IFR flight
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DISCLAIMER
This footage was created by a real world commercial flight instructor. Although you may use this for learning purposes, it is recommended as guidance only and should not substitute any training from your ATO. It is intended to merely provide an insight into real world commercial training operations at a school we are familiar with and to enhance your desktop simulator experience. We are in no position to share or copy any company-specific data. If you are a trainee Private or Commercial Pilot, please refer to your approved training/company documentation ONLY.
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Software used:
Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020
Just Flight FS Traffic
PSM50 GTN 750

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@weok-doing-things
@weok-doing-things Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I was waiting for half a year for this update while being more and more frustrated with how 28R performs. No we can finally appreciate this beautiful bird again
@FlyFromHome
@FlyFromHome Жыл бұрын
You and me both!
@SimDeck
@SimDeck Жыл бұрын
Fantastic stuff! I was fortunate enough to fly in a Piper Arrow Turbo a few weeks ago. I flew over my house and captured a photo of my wife taking a picture of me while I was taking a picture of her. Though I'm not a licensed pilot, but rather a flight simulator nerd, it was a dream come true for me to handle the aircraft. Before the flight, I had flown it in VR, and I was amazed by how precise the simulator is compared to reality. The feeling of G-forces and the turbulence sensation were phenomenal. After experiencing it in real life, I can now appreciate how exceptional these developers are. Moreover, I discovered that I truly love flying. Besides my children being born, I have never been happier in my life.
@FlyFromHome
@FlyFromHome Жыл бұрын
Sounds like a great experience! And yes, it does make you appreciate how hard the devs have to work to make a good aircraft in a simulator.
@martinmusiet9780
@martinmusiet9780 Жыл бұрын
The Mixture and Fuel Flow issue you were experiencing at around 38:40 has also been explained by Black Square on their manuals of the Bonanza, that the mixture simulation is limited due to msfs own simulation. "Unfortunately, the MSFS internal combustion simulation is lacking as it concerns mixture and fuel flow. Under all but extremely high density altitude conditions, reducing the mixture setting should always result in decreased fuel flow at the same throttle setting. In MSFS, fuel flow will fall off as horsepower decreases with an overly rich mixture setting. This is not detrimental to the operation of this aircraft, but is nevertheless unrealistic. A potential solution is being researched for future Black Square aircraft, and updates for the Analog Bonanza."
@FlyFromHome
@FlyFromHome Жыл бұрын
Interesting! I still believe that I am correct in thinking that there’s no ‘mixture control’ script in the Turbo Arrow, as there is in the Bonanza/Baron or 414 though 🤔
@martinmusiet9780
@martinmusiet9780 Жыл бұрын
@@FlyFromHome i agree, i hope they implement it in future updates, if there are
@colb6171
@colb6171 Жыл бұрын
I love your reviews especially when their on an aircraft that you know so well. I have only flown the warrior in real life before but the arrow feels so familiar. Well done Just Flight and well done you 😊
@FlyFromHome
@FlyFromHome Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Glad you’re enjoying the videos, there should be another coming soon 😊
@bootstrapflyer
@bootstrapflyer Жыл бұрын
Purchased the P28R Arrow 3and4 not long after release, just gotta love JustFlight aircraft, the recent upgrade to the pad is awsome. Great content, keep it coming, cheers.
@FlyFromHome
@FlyFromHome Жыл бұрын
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
@badubies
@badubies 11 ай бұрын
First plane I ever flew IRL was a warrior ii! Great review!
@FlyFromHome
@FlyFromHome 11 ай бұрын
I did my PPL on one too 😄 Thanks!
@paulsleighty
@paulsleighty Жыл бұрын
Great video, really enjoyed watching it and great to know the JF aircraft are now flying accurately to real world figures. Think the second humber bridge might of been a reflection on the water.
@FlyFromHome
@FlyFromHome Жыл бұрын
I think you’re right 😅
@paulphibbs7162
@paulphibbs7162 Жыл бұрын
Appreciate your feedback.
@FlyFromHome
@FlyFromHome Жыл бұрын
Appreciate you watching the video 😉
@derekbennett1453
@derekbennett1453 Жыл бұрын
The second span was the shadow of itself 😂
@FlyFromHome
@FlyFromHome Жыл бұрын
D’oh! 😂
@MtheHell
@MtheHell Жыл бұрын
I have to admit: You convinced me, finally. You gave me the last push. 😆 When it came out, I thought "Naa, I have both Arrows. And the look is very similar in the PA-28's. The Warrior is not that necessary for me - but a very good product, of course." Then some other guys talked about the different feel, comparing especially the Turbo Arrows and the Warrior. I heard flight students preferring the Warrior, because they know the real thing. And finally you came up with this very informative and enjoyable video after the "big updates" - Okay, I got it. I bought it too now! Thanks! 😜 (And I think I will like it as much as I do like the Arrows!)🥰
@FlyFromHome
@FlyFromHome Жыл бұрын
I’m so sorry, please extend my apologies to your wallet 🤣
@MtheHell
@MtheHell Жыл бұрын
@@FlyFromHome 🤣💸
@Blueesteel_
@Blueesteel_ Жыл бұрын
Very very cool planes great job by just flight
@FlyFromHome
@FlyFromHome Жыл бұрын
Yep, agreed!
@julianhewlett2576
@julianhewlett2576 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your knowledge - much appreciated. I have to disagree with your comment about the performance figures being spot on. Please find below two tested scenarios and their results against the values published in the POH. ALT 2500 fts in standard conditions with no wind, power set to 55% and Mixture set for Peak EGT: RPM 2200 with MP 23.9 → 132 kts (POH 114 kts - 8.5 GPH) RPM 2500 with MP 21.7 → 129 kts (POH 114 kts - 9.0 GPH) I believe that 15-18 kts more than planned is a lot. Lower performance would be acceptable as the engine wears out at some point. Performed similar tests on the WB-Sim 172SP Classic Enhancement from JustFlight, and found that the performances matching the one found in the POH - so it can be done and hopefully we will see this corrected in future releases. Anyway, again many thanks for your great videos - much appreciated :-)
@FlyFromHome
@FlyFromHome Жыл бұрын
Hi Julian, thanks for your input. I’m unsure of the scenario you mention with 2200rpm, as this figure is below the minimum continuous operating RPM available to aircraft fitted with Hartzell propellers and is likely derived from a different propeller to the one fitted to the aircraft in the simulator. However, I can absolutely guarantee that with an MAP of almost 22 inches and the RPM set to 2500 an Arrow will easily achieve 130kts rather than the anaemic figure in the documentation you mention. My flying school’s checklists recommend a power setting of 21-22 inches and 2400 RPM to achieve a cruise of 120kts for CPL sorties and this is often more than required. Therefore I believe that the figures in the book have either been derived from a pre-production spec aircraft or one with a different propeller, or have been intentionally under-estimated to account for worn components (as light aircraft performance data often is). I do concur that the Just Flight Arrow is a little faster than the ‘average’ Arrow III, but I have flown enough different examples to know that cruise speeds can differ by as much as 20kts IAS depending on various factors including the health of the engine, condition of the prop and any small aerodynamic or system modifications (such as fitting flat head rivets to the skin or removing the gyro vacuum pump and fitting EFIS systems, freeing the engine of the horsepower-sapping pump). I actually have some pictures of hitting 150kts IAS in level flight in an Arrow II which just had a new propeller fitted! Anyway, I’m glad you enjoyed the video, be sure to stay tuned for more 😊
@julianhewlett2576
@julianhewlett2576 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for taking the time to respond. You are correct, the POH that I found seems to be a different variant of the one in-game -two blades propeller, not three as stated in the JustFlight manual. Unfortunately my google search was not successful in finding the correct POH with a three blades propeller 😞 Would you be so kind in guiding me on how to get hold of the correct POH? Do you give online flying lessons?
@FlyFromHome
@FlyFromHome Жыл бұрын
There should be some relevant performance docs included in the root files of the aircraft if you sift around in your community folder - I’d imagine they’re correct for this spec of Arrow Failing that, join our discord and I can post what I have from our school’s aircraft.
@UnacknowledgedAviator24
@UnacknowledgedAviator24 Жыл бұрын
Wow, love to see it as it was again! (Maybe impossible) but I hope it goes to Xbox after WASM got implemented, as that’s my platform, thanks for the review though!
@FlyFromHome
@FlyFromHome Жыл бұрын
Fingers crossed! Glad you enjoyed the review ☺️
@ciri151
@ciri151 Жыл бұрын
Only thing I wish was different is the position of the EFB. I only fly in VR, and the EFB being so far away makes it unreadable.
@FlyFromHome
@FlyFromHome Жыл бұрын
I’m sure Just Flight would appreciate that kind of feedback! I’m not lucky enough to own any VR kit so I can’t test those kind of things.
@Hellmut195612
@Hellmut195612 Жыл бұрын
I am especially interested to know as much as possible about the flight dynamics. When flying here in Germany where runways are shorter I used the slipping technique to reduce the speed of flight on the final. Here the plane gets into s slight side position in regards to the actual flying path so that the bigger surface offered by the fuselage reduces the speed additionally. Does the JF Arrow III flying model actually supports this effect?
@FlyFromHome
@FlyFromHome Жыл бұрын
I believe every MSFS aircraft exhibits fairly realistic characteristics in the sideslip. I’ve not tested whether it’s perfectly accurate compared to the real aircraft, but it certainly behaves appropriately.
@Ngamer834
@Ngamer834 Жыл бұрын
The Just flight Warrior II is decent enough but I rarely fly it not my preferred plane in the sim. The JF Arrow 3 does look a bit more interesting though.
@FlyFromHome
@FlyFromHome Жыл бұрын
The Arrow is a bit more complex if you’re into that kind of thing.
@IslandSimPilot
@IslandSimPilot Жыл бұрын
Hey, I found the ground handling really squirelly as well. Question: did you adjust your yoke sensitivities at all?
@FlyFromHome
@FlyFromHome Жыл бұрын
It taxis really nicely but it does seem a bit sensitive on the runway. I don’t have particularly good pedals though so that doesn’t help. I have a default ‘light GA single’ profile with some tweaked sensitivity curves for my yoke. Helps to keep things feeling suitably weighty.
@davidtsw
@davidtsw Жыл бұрын
Finally!
@eddthirty4065
@eddthirty4065 Жыл бұрын
I've just purchased JF PA28 Warrior in the current MSFS sale, I already had Carenado's PA28 Arrow to help me with my PPL. I've flown three different PA28. I find JF's better in many respects apart from the aileron response, it seems very slow compared to the real thing. How can I increase the sensitivity? I've tried changing it within MSFS and it just feels weird.
@schwaulen
@schwaulen Жыл бұрын
How did you set up your yoke for good results?
@FlyFromHome
@FlyFromHome Жыл бұрын
I usually just mess about with the sensitivity curves until it ‘feels’ about right! Not the most scientific process 😂
@pfranx
@pfranx Жыл бұрын
Hello, I’ve bought this aircraft on my MFS for Xbox for about 45€ but now I wish I didn’t because when I fly this aircraft ATC voice doesn’t work! There must be a bug despite the long time passed since t!his add-on aircraft has been released
@FlyFromHome
@FlyFromHome Жыл бұрын
I think that's not just a problem with this aircraft, I've had it with others lately. Probably something needs changing on the sim with the next update.
@pfranx
@pfranx Жыл бұрын
@@FlyFromHome maybe but on my Xbox it only happens with this aircraft and everything is back to normal as soon as I change to any other (cheaper) aircraft…
@FlyFromHome
@FlyFromHome Жыл бұрын
Hmm, maybe email the devs with a bug report?
@pfranx
@pfranx Жыл бұрын
@@FlyFromHome I’ll try
@kokoeteantigha389
@kokoeteantigha389 Жыл бұрын
I bought this from heaven alone knows where because my account on JustFlight doesn't show the purchase. So, as things stand, I can't get an update. I've done a circuit tour of all my usual marketplaces and nada. Wonder if anyone has an idea what I should do now?!
@FlyFromHome
@FlyFromHome Жыл бұрын
Have you tried checking your credit/debit card statements?
@kokoeteantigha389
@kokoeteantigha389 Жыл бұрын
@@FlyFromHome Whoopsie, no I haven't. One small issue though, I need to know the approximate date of purchase otherwise lemme assure you our bank Apps are hopeless as a guide. I'm from Nigeria and everything works backwards over here. But its an idea which I will look into by slowly wading through three bank statements probably rolling all the way back to 2021. (I'm sorry but I have no idea when the Warrior or the Pipers came out.)
@cmoi6516
@cmoi6516 Жыл бұрын
hello I really appreciate the videos I would like to know your configuration
@FlyFromHome
@FlyFromHome Жыл бұрын
Hello, glad you enjoy the videos. I use a Honeycomb throttle and yoke and Thrustmaster T Flight rudder pedals.
@mikecoffee100
@mikecoffee100 Жыл бұрын
great review just waiting for the stupid update from the msn store
@FlyFromHome
@FlyFromHome Жыл бұрын
Yep that’s the frustrating part of buying from the store, sadly.
@MtheHell
@MtheHell Жыл бұрын
Hopefully they get this sorted out quickly. It should become better, because MS changed the upload procedure. The developers should now (which means 'very soon') be able to upload updates/files themselves, and only an automated process will check them before publishing it in the marketplace. It takes around 6 weeks now, because ms employees have to upload all files manually after checking them, and there are many products in the marketplace by now.
@paulthurston2883
@paulthurston2883 Жыл бұрын
I bought the warrior through the marketplace some weeks ago. No sign of any update yet, nor did I get anything from Just Flight regarding this. Thanks Just Flight. Not.
@FlyFromHome
@FlyFromHome Жыл бұрын
Updates always take much longer to come out through the marketplace - it's something to do with Microsoft having to 'check' each individual change themselves. Annoying, but there's nothing add-on devs can do about it.
@andyw248
@andyw248 Жыл бұрын
From the video it looks as if the aircraft are all diifficult to keep straight on takeoff and landing runs. If that’s true it would mean that JF hasn’t applied the ground handling parameters that were intrduced in sim update 10.
@WhiteHawk77
@WhiteHawk77 Жыл бұрын
@@andyw248 who has? I’ve seen no ground handling improvements to any aircraft that would suggest implementation of those four new parameters, either that or those parameters simply don’t make a noticeable improvement to the awful ground physics in this sim.
@davidtsw
@davidtsw Жыл бұрын
The JPLogistics 152 or the SWS RV14 feel perfectly fine on the ground. The updated JF Pipers are also fine imo. I had similar a similar impression to you but watched the video again and they seem fine to me. Probably some rusty simming skills ;) the crosswind and maybe not paying enough attention caused that little wobble
@BirdDoggies
@BirdDoggies Жыл бұрын
I, also, bought the Arrow through the Market Place, big mistake,never again! I have been waiting for the update to drop, but so far no such luck. One thing I don't understand... Why does Msoft/Asobo only drop updates once a week? Why not more frequently?
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