Why in this episode specifically?

I'm just thankful I got introduced to the dulcet tones of Jeffrey Combs' amazing voice acting through JLU.

​@@otakutoongamer5616Because not only was Question neck-deep in the whole Cadmus thing, but he'd fit both the theme of the episode (non-powered heroes) AND as someone more closely connected to the main baddie of the episode

He technically did get a few lines in the final season, in the episode where the female members get brainwashed and forced to pit fight (this show is really horny...). I do agree he was largely wasted though. Thankfully the series finale at least least gave us a nice sequence of him using a car to its full potential against hostiles.

@@dDdD-rj7gx gosh watching Question running over parademons in his car was the perfect final scene for him in the show. Wish he had another episode tho.

Excellent observation, good sir

Good soldiers protect civilians

Well I mean he did

Soldiers are supposed to follow orders and that's it, if you don't you get jailed, demoted and ostracized. The USA is responsible for countless war crimes commited by soldiers, and never answers for them, considering the 'threat' of an international court to be a terrorist act.

He a damn hypocrite

Nice PfP

@@kanvaros4451 same to you you got great taste

Bro, you schizo? Talking to yourself? I'm not judging, I'm jost worried for your mental health

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That whole sequence was awesome.

Spy Smasher vs Anon... make it happen!

Nice

​@@notusingmyname4791who's anon?

Their Anon.

With how they change the meaning of smash, it can also be an adult themed comic 😜

Right? Holy shit, it gave me shudders

Words to live by.

"angles"? Why would I want to fight against a figure which is formed by two rays or lines that shares a common endpoint?

@@machao195 Hazbin Hotel?

@@machao195 Never underestimate angles, man. I lost a friend to those bastards.

And there's still people who can pull it off

The way I saw it he was intentionally waiting for his quickdraw, letting the general get an inkling that he was the weak link, but in reality, Vigilante could probably get the first shot with his quickdraw

By show cowboys, that comed from buffalo bill shows. But regardless, i guess a quickshow would be practical if you can use it to look better while drawing. Also its a comic, and i bet vigilantes origns is from a cowboy act , if thats what shady implies. It still would be useful in combat i guess. If from an act basically, also superheroes so, yeah circus tricks help in combat, so, why not.

I mean.... It looks like he already knew... the BULLETS THEY DO NOTHING. So he used his ammo in a Different way, Almost like it was a Complete middle finger to that guy saying guns are bad for heroes.

Before Omni-Man, we had General Wade. Both are voiced by JK Simmons

I 100% agree it is a test of ones loyalty not for his king, but to the people that he was sworn to protect

It wasn't shown in this video, but Shining Knight said that he could tell that King Arthur was "not himself". So the theory that another poster said, about it being Morgana impersonating King Arthur, is probably correct.

I think we need a balance of that. Of seeing who we ARE and who we COULD be, in many different ways.

Ehhh some parts def had their flaws

@@fenrirsrage4609 I can only think of one flaw but it's not really canon so what are your opinions?

@@fenrirsrage4609 I'll take those flaws ANY DAY over the crap we get today in movies and TV shows from DC (and many other companies while we are at it).

Probably the only well known hero in this episode is probably Green Arrow and that’s it

…it was both a partial adaptation of a comic and a reunion of a then forgotten DC team: Seven Soldiers of Victory

To be fair, Waller still did some pretty messed up things afterwards, namely the Bat from Brazil- I mean Batman Beyond.

That proves that the general is insane

​@alfredhinton8792 that was obvious when he fired a missile at an island with the intent of getting rid of Doomsday Superman and putting an end to drug trafficking that took place on that island.

@@madambutterfly1997 Which also proved that Waller was the less evil one when she got pissed by that decision

@@keithharrissuwignjo2460 she was more or less ahead of the organization and the general undermined her authority. He may have been a senior member, but she was the de facto leader.

Alongside the auxillary members, Lee's sidekick Wing, Sir Justin's sidekick Squire and Vigilante's sidekick Stuff. Sadly...Wing How the "Eighth Soldier" did not return from this fight, but since he did not return, it allowed Green Arrow and Speedy to return to their real time and TNT and Dyna-Mite joined the team afterward.

And connected to project Cadmus. They freed Superboy.

@@drewneedsmoresleep6680 yeah, and also Cadmus cloned them, apparently

Ever since I found out about them during YJ season 3, I've been seeing them everywhere. Well, basically here and My Adventures with Superman but I didn't know who they were back when I watched this episode in the early 00s

@@drewneedsmoresleep6680 The comics version of Cadmus was somewhat OK with a couple secret mad scientists in the ranks. The original Newsboy Legion were some of the main scientists and the "current" (1990s) Newsboy Legion were their clones. Guardian, Jim Harper, was also a clone of the original, who operated out of Cadmus.

Same with the reporters

Wait I thought the suit gave him super strength or something-?... I might have heard wrong...

I belive his sword and armor are enchanted but could be wrong​@@Micah.Lau.navi.

@@Blaze_Nights Interesting

​@Blaze_Nights yeah his weapon and armor is magical and enchanted it makes him more durable and the sword let's him cut through nearly anything

Shining Knight's not immortal. His armor and sword are magically enchanted into being invulnerable, but that's it. Edit: I checked and while he's not immortal, he aging is apparently slowed down.

He feels like DC's take on the character

@@guilhermehank4938given many people worked for both marvel and DC (including Jack Kirby) it’s understandable though they didn’t make Ross the red hulk til about 10-15 years ago

​so he'll go hulk or destroy stuff with Lemons, what a man

@@michaelnally2841 funnily enough I think Red Hulk came out a year or two after this episode

Look up Shaggy Man/The General DC for some insight into this.

The interesting thing about this 'plan' of his is that he doesn't need to win, just seem to give Superman a challenge. No one reasonably expects him to defeat Superman, for just the reasons you pointed out, but him winning the fight isn't his objective. His victory condition, as stated by himself is 'Showing there is someone who can stand up to the League.' and no amount of 'no name heroes' being downed is going to achieve that. (In his view.) Of course, he would take a win if he could get it, but I don't get the impression he thought he'd win the physical fight. It's a hearts and minds campaign (which is ironically appropriate for what disarms him.) and he clearly lost this battle of it.

To be fair, this guy wasn’t thinking rationally at all - this was a conniption fit he was throwing because he couldn’t stand the fact he was already defeated: this was made abundantly clear when a small child was able to point out that he had become the very thing he preaches so much hatred towards.

An enhancement drug made by the god damn Nazis, to be specific

Pretty expected outcome from a clear conservative patriotic nutjob

And the drug was made by the Nazis.

Ah yes the countries that hid people we was looking for

​@@Gypsygeekfreak17and?

@@Briskeeeen and if they was holding them then they deserve it i mean come on

​@@Gypsygeekfreak17 cmon, everyone knows that was just an excuse; The USA loves to find excuses to invade other countries and plunder their resources, specially oil

Honestly, it's always annoyed me when people say things like: "We can't do or say or profit off of anything that has anything to do with X because X is associated with Y via a low common denominator, and THAT would be disrespectful." For this episode to be disrespectful to the war, there needs to be an ACTUAL DIRECT correlation to the actual event. Not just something that's vaguely reminiscent of the event.

Its a good thing they weren't Marvel universe civilians

@@mizu7662 In the first Avengers movie there is a scene where in Germany an old man stands up to Loki and basically says to him that he isn't the first one to try and conquer. Oh, and in older Spider-Man movie there that one "Careful, he's a hero" scene".

@@Ajzan1 Outliers exist, but by and large they are jerks. Just look at what the X-Men have to put up with, for example.

reminds me a bit of "Heavy Metal" from STAS. Bruce Timm hated that episode, but i thought it was handled quite well. THere's layers in there.

@@mizu7662 When alone, people feel judged so they do what's perceived as good, perhaps even better than those around them. to stand out. when in a group, people feel like their primary concern is fitting in and following along, so they do whatever the group wants. and like a ouija board, even if no individual is really pushing in any particular direction, results will still follow.

General: "I'm gonna show them you're the real threat" Also general: "can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs"

@@spenceroconnor3841 Also General: *Almost kills a teenager*

Uhh... Yeah? one of the civilians points this out, this is even the general's turning point.

@@jikkai_1034 Yeah no shit. I'm talking about all the other villains that pull this and don't ever hit a turning point.

Irving also tried to use a Kryptonite coated Thermonuclear missile to destroy a island to defeat Doomsday and didn't care about Superman because he just says "Cadmus would eventually have to fight Superman later line and trying to wipe out smuggler activity despite civilians being evacuated from a volcano. He's just a old fashioned extreme military commander.

It's because Shining Knight's morality is something that he had to cultivate. That village he was commanded to slay was probably a patsy/false flag to prove that he had integrity. Gawain went through his own test against The Green Knight. King Arthur likely had several tests, just as modern society doesn't demand nearly as much.

@@omegaminoseer4539 I would say it less about the tests of modern society and more about how he is from the idealistic story of King Arthur and today in the more realistic sense people who choose morality are punished. For instance do you stay at the job that is paying you and breaking labor laws or do you try to hop to another job that is most likely doing the same or has some other issue? As well, he was born a noble along with the other knights, none that I know of were born of the common folk all were born with the privilege of choice. Sorry for the semi political rant.

Because Arthur was a story, not real life. We have always been this way, granted we do have more honorable moments that inspires stories like that with ideals. But we don't really honor them like we should. We didn't 500 years ago and we don't now.

The frustrating part isn't that things still suck, things have always sucked What's annoying is that NEW things suck, so we somehow fixed old things, but we didn't think to keep the good old parts? and we somehow can't figure out how to just... shift back to those? while still keeping the fixed parts fixed.

​@@Ashbrash1998 that's where it gets complicated there was a person around that time that matches the depiction of Arthur but the dude wasn't early British he was Roman and there's also the fact that he could have just been an amalgamation of several people enforcing their positive traits and the fact Excalibur is infact a miss translation of a Welsh word caliburn which means pointed object

This explanation is acceptable.

@@ShadyDoorags He also played Omni-Man in Invincible.

⁠@@AzureIVBruh he knows. He literally made a joke about it in the vid lmao

​@@AzureIV he also played Cave Johnson from Portal

Just thinking of it, the General being voiced by JK Simmons... I wouldn't be surprised that if we had J. Jonah Jameson obtain superpowers and start trying to beat up Spider-Man, it would probably end up just like in this episode.

I heard that they wanted to include Robin here, but couldn't because of the Bat-Embargo. am I thinking of a DIFFERENT episode where they were homaging a classic team that included Robin? I know he was left out of "For the Man Who Has Everything" but I could have sworn there was some team like this that had Robin in it, and a bunch of nobodies.

@KairuHakubi Considering what we wound up with, adding Robin wouldn't make much sense. He was not a member of the Seven Soldiers of Victory, and Robin does not have anywhere near the level of "Who even are you?" energy everyone else here has.

@@Excellsion I could have sworn I read something like that. That Golden Age Robin was pals with Speedy and Star-Spangled Kid. Ugh this is going to drive me nuts now. Did... Speedy ever show up again? was that it?

@@KairuHakubi Yeah. Speedy showed up for one episode, got beat up, and was never mentioned again

@KairuHakubi I'm pretty sure this was Speedy's only Justice League appearance. He appeared a couple of times on Teen Titans, looking almost exactly the same. It's possible that in an earlier draft they wanted to use Robin, but when they found out they couldn't, they realized that with an unitrucive introduction of Speedy, they could maintain a no powers* squad that happened to be the Seven Soldiers of Victory. But I don't recall Golden Age Robin interacting with non Batman characters much. Something to do with "diluting sales." I.e., Superman and Batman were on the first lineup of the Justice League, but were forbidden from making appearances on covers, and the Seven Soldiers of Victory were from like a decade prior to that.

I also like it, because it give the serum a background story. Rather than just feel like a gizmo created just for the episode.

@@haraldbredsdorff2699 agreed plus it’s extremely believable that an evil scientist from that time period Would want to play around with dna after the crazy things that started to pop up in the world even before the justice league was established.

​@@haraldbredsdorff2699true

It's a good way to hook the audience in with an action scene, instead of just a army man looking through some papers.

Pre-Crisis Fawcett before DC bought them out. Captain Nazi was Billy's villain done exclusively to keep Billy out of Berlin as the Captain for the same reason they had to keep Superman out of Berlin...and they made him be the reason Freddy became Captain Jr/Lieutennant Marvel and his brother Kit became Kid Eternity.

I *knew* I couldn't have been the only one who recognised that firefly drawl!

…he was also Spy Smasher

And now he got promoted to most iconic voice of Col. Hal Jordan callsign "Highball" and he's also playing in live action Guy Gardner in the new DCU. Nathan Fillion can play two GL's apparently...and in 2009 he also got the honor of being Col. Steve Trevor...that's like getting Dana Delaney all over again for anyone in the Lois Lane role.

I believe he also plays The ?

@@staffy73 The Question? Nah, that was Jeffrey Coombs

I'm not up on Manga either but I know a couple of things that make this discussion funny. Manga is out selling comics. They do it in part by having those selfless heroes even when the worlds are darker. You mentioned One Punch Man. My Hero Academia is big with a lead that is getting destroyed by his powers. Using them breaks down his body but he uses them anyway because he wants to help so bad. Not sure how the comic companies haven't caught on yet.

Even anime is going this way, jjk, Aot, chainsaw man, making people bad for no reason at all or even worse killing off the good characters for shock value, hell even mha did it

Yeah, at first I thought it was a thing with them trying to make each hero more "relatable". People are complex, messy and flawed, so heroes that are too are more engaging. But then I realized that this misses a point in humanity: we change and can be good. Take Spider-Man, it has repeatedly be a theme with him that "anybody could have gotten bitten and been a hero", that Peter was a shining paragon of virtue that real people can't ever be, it was that even a petty nerd could find the drive to do good and become a hero. That's what I think is the problem now, not that the heroes have flaws, but that there is a pessimism that a regular person would never stick their neck out for another person or try to do good jist for the sake of it.

I liked Mumen Rider, too. He does what he can to help, regardless of his limitations. Maybe something will happen, and he will be able to ride his bicycle like the Flash, only faster 😉

​@@Scyon13 although there are very popular manga with dark worlds and plots, there's still lots of more light hearted ones.

Well he also got Saitama free Odens so yeah, best bros. And a side not only Saitama but all Tanktop Master's crews respect him after the incidents of Garou. There are also Fang and King though the manga does not make it obvious.

@@zeroakira584 Wasn't it members of the Tanktop Army that were being smug elitist pricks who rallied a mob to call Saitama a phony? If so, I need to watch season 2 for the ass whoopin they must've gotten saved from that would ever change the minds of such clowns.

@@darwinxavier3516 After the martial art monster incident where the monster association attacked a hospital, Mumen Rider stood side by side with Tanktop Master to fought them off with other non-hero characters, which suprise Tanktop Master as the guy thought how the heck did Mumen Rider keep up with him and also warned him to not overextend himself because he was not wearing a tanktop like they did.

@@darwinxavier3516 watch it

"ex-partner" "Speedy, do we have to do this now?!"

Lol

It’s comics don’t question it.

More Lawful Neutral over evil, think Judge Dredd vs Palpatine.

@@Demortra Yeah considering that his #1 gripe with the JL is that they have too much power. Like he's almost militantly neutral, feeling that nobody should be allowed power and he'll use his power to kill anyone who does. Real Brotherhood of Steel shiz.

@@KairuHakubi Nobody other than the United States government, you mean. But otherwise, I agree. It reminds me a bit of those templars from "Jumper." "You are an abomination. Only God should have the power to be everywhere at once."

But in Shining Knights case if the King tells you to do something, it should be a lawful order. Because the king himself decreed it. So Eiling should be going by that understanding. The other perspective could be Eiling's older and when the show came out he should be a soldier from the Vietnam era or before. So he was trained and ingrained the idea that disobeying an order despite being "unlawful" is just the weakness seeping into the military.

Take the jab, soldier. No. And the government took that personally.

No official reprisal. I'm sure there's a lot of unofficial reprisal.

@@SubzeroBlack68 I love how much this adds to the episode

@@dansmith1661 The government giving a legal, tested, safe shot to prevent illness isn't an illegal order dipstick.

Honestly if those boys were my kids I'd be worried out of my dang mind but also so god darn proud

That's the Newsboy Legion there, they were sidekicks to the Guardian (Jim Harper) who protected Metropolis in the days before Superman. Tommy Thompkins is the leader and the one who looks a bit like Wally Cleaver, he never had a codename but I like to call him "Headlines". Then there's Antonio "Big Words" Rodriguez (glasses), Pat "Scrapper" McGuire (ginger), John "Gabby" Gabberrelli (the boy with the turtleneck who sounds like Tennyson/Turner) and later we see in the crowd shot other members such as Bobbi "Famous" Harper (the girl) and Walter "Flip" Johnson Jr. (the African American boy).

@@timepilotcluefinder94 Shady is right, there are a lot of references.

@@Sonicjohnson10 This episode acts as one of the throwback to the golden age episodes...there were quite a lot of those...especially when the episodes called for focus on Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, Black Canary and Hawkwoman...specifically Hawkwoman because can you really do anything golden age without thinking of a Hawk Family family member first when it comes to someone that isn't one of the Big 3? Interestingly- If Justice League had gotten a season 6 instead of ending at 5 (because it really should have *I consider Unlimited a subtitle, and so do many of the producers including Bruce Timm according to an old toonzone interview at the Justice League Watchtower), that season was possibly going to focus on throwbacks and time travel at least that's what many of the team wanted to do if it happened...so we probably would have gotten a JSA episode, a multiverse episode with the classic original 7 (and had it been mentioned that Earth-508 was one of the worlds that Earth-0's founding line-up had saved during some untold event) and possibly even some Titans since Titans was ending around the same time...granted, Nightwing and Tim couldn't have been used due to Nightwing being on The Batman as Robin (and later Nightwing in the future, just like Babs got to be both Batgirl and Oracle with similar rules), but we could have probably at least gotten some form of a Titans roster at the time since Wally could have easily done the cameo on TT and went back to JL had it continued...just like how Speedy was used on both shows. My guess is that the roster we would have gotten as a callback would have been a Grayson/Drake split since "anyone who was heroic was automatic league unless directly called a Teen Titan" on Earth-508. The League Titans? Hawk, Dove, Founding Leaguer Wally, Supergirl, Kyle Rayner, Speedy, Tempest, and maybe Donna...depending on how long they spent wondering why she of all women caused that embargo.

In addition, the plot is centered around the Mary Sue

@@emanuelrojas2the general?

​@@bibigamer502 I think what they're saying is that a mary sue is a perfect character whom also controls the plot, they are able to drive the plot forward without the actions or speech of any other character on screen.

I would more say a Mary Sue is a character that can’t do no wrong in the eyes of the world they are in. Whatever mistake they make is easily forgiven or any battle is looked favorably for them. Which is why the heroes of today must feel like they have to be assholes in order for the writers to go “see? It’s not a Mary Sue, they have flaws.” When it’s not even the flaws at this point. If you make the hero more disliked than the villain then you are failing at a simple task. The heroes in this episode showed that while they struggle and were even defeated, their heroism still won the day. Something that’s actually satisfying to see.

@jacobfoxfires9647 Agreed, flaws should have effect to them.

Further proof that Zach Snyder is markedly overrated.

its why Darkhawk and Tigra as some of my favorite heroes. Darkhawk has 2 living parents but one is framed as a corrrt cop so the first arc is his mom trying to provide for 3 boys, while working as a lwer to clear her husband and Darkhawk waffeling back and forth on if his dad reayy is corrupt as he unconvers the truth and lerns his powers

Thats not to say clark hasnt trauma, he has, but he is really dealing well with all the loss.

@@marocat4749 Clark DOESN'T have trauma. His parents died when he was a baby, but the Kents gave him such a good upbringing that their adopted son thought of himself as a man and NOT a god. The Kents taught him to be grounded and humble. Something else that Snyder messed up horribly.

@@ericdierolf8929 Ok then he had more to reasons to have trauma and he , i would argue hangs on kypton to a fair bit because of that loss, but deals with it motivating him. I would argue its still trauma, its just , also good dealing without letting it , like deals really healthy. He can move on but i would argue he still, has some trauma. He just doesnt let it stop him from being healthy. He is still human, he still asks himself about krypton and , where he comes from. And Trauma hasnt to be disabilitating, or big, to be trauma personally. I think in the for the man who has everything it shows, yes it does get to him, yes he is vunerable there, but he as earnest tackles with that so that it doesnt become unhealthy.

Personally, I feel that if the object in question follows certain rules , that person does or does not have superpowers like how easy is it to take and keep the object? For instance, a GL ring is fairly easy to remove, but since they have the ability to call it back to their finger (sometimes), I consider them to have superpowers

@@Overload3210 I can see your point, but still, without the ring he is just a normal dude. He doesn't have superpowers, he controls a super tool/weapon.

Correct. It was an ill-advised tactic by George Bush to fight legitimate terrorism that at the time was threatening the U.S. but under hussein obama's regime, even though the threat had already been neutralized, the patriot act was expanded to the extreme, intending to spy on & censor citizens in violation of the U.S. constitution. Let's be frank, George Bush was kind of dumb but he had good intentions. In contrast, hussein was a complete pile and had only the worst intentions, hence the outcome.

Dead on the money there pal.

And in the end the children of South Park got to play their video games.🥲

.... didn't Rocky say it first 😭

@@mexicanbatman8157 probably but randy is funnier

Hear Here is for a location

@@phylippezimmermannpaquin2062 i dont cere

Well shining night has a magical armor that makes him almost invulnerable and a sword that can cut through anything so he is more like and enhanced human

i did a li research and dc already panderized shining knight into being a she-it

The only Vigilante I knew was an 80s hero who didn't have a cowboy theme. I never read any of his stories but I liked the costume in the ads.

​@@toniotrussardi8126 Justin was from one time, Justina from another. It wasn't considered pandering at the time. Arthurian lore had a few female knights in it who did the Mulan thing. Justina was considered legacy at the time...not really pandering as no big deal was ever made about Justina other than just "oh hey, she's like Stargirl, a girl using a golden age codename." Where there's been the biggest (and somewhat unneccessary) commotions have been Alan Scott and Jon Kent....and mostly over Jon. The reason for this was because they're two Big Name Heroes...big names get more attention. You don't have to like choices made to fictional characters even if they're iconic ones, but you don't need to throw a fit about it either...simply make your own characters with your own stories instead.

I really enjoyed that fact as well. Just like you said I love how it was a call back to the older heroic archetype before the age of superheroes. While I know these two have their own comics and are heroes in their own right. It’s still an awesome detail.

I love Shining Knight and Vigilante's friendship in this series and I wish we got to see more of it.

that is defiantly done on purpose too.

It's also kind of a great example of contrasts. A knight is the upright, moral hand of a just ruler. Vigilante, by definition and aesthetics, is effectively an outlaw, the hand raised in defiance of an unjust ruler. Both of them equally reject the ends-justifies-means mindset.

Shining is like Lawful Good Vigilante is Chaotic Good Eiling is Neutral Good

A kid who is part of the paper too. I mean he's part of the Newsboy Legion...sidekicks to the Guardian...as well as back in the day sort of being the fanclub for Perry White, Billy Batson, Freddy Freeman and Lois Lane....the two toughest reporters that ever were...and there's no way a kid who's a fanboy of top notch reporters like that doesn't know how to use their words to check somebody...especially not when their codename is "Gabby"

To be fair, Waller's response to losing an argument was "Suck it up".

Someone mentioned that he helped with the parademons off screen

He comes back in the tie in comics.

Yeah. Because he realized he could be wrong and just said "Aight. But if I was right, I was right. Then I'll be back to try to clean the mess."

Randy Marsh

That used to be the difference between DC and Marvel, at least in theory. Stanley Lee decided he wanted heroes that the readers would be able to identify with and that's part of why Spider-Man was created as a teenager instead of an adult like most heroes.

Yeah because DC heroes aren’t relatable their inspiration the only heroes that are relatable are from marvel. And I like to say that DC is the Abrahamic God who we should try to be as mentioned multiple times in the bible. Marvel are like Greek gods who even though have great power they sometimes fail and fall into despair. Like how iron man was an alcoholic or spider-man using he’s powers for selfish desires.

He IS the official unofficial 8th member

Batman: "Quis custodiet ipsos custodies?" Green Arrow: "Who guards the guardians?" (pause to look at his friends) "We've got it covered."

I thought that was Aquaman since he was on the roster in that episode where Superman got sent to the future.

​@@battlesheep2552Lobo was the replacement member not Aquaman

​@@psicoparkita Lobo would have been asked to leave either way. Lobo was never officially a member of the league. Aquaman was operating as the on/off eighth member...a sort of co-founder during multiple just league episodes. All Lobo really did was just declare himself in when he wasn't really, and J'onn would have kicked him out regardless of whether or not Superman returned. The only viable options considered were Supergirl (Hawkwoman's choice) Aquaman (Wally, John, Martian Manhunter, even if Wally hated Aquaman's 90's attitude like the rest of us did.) Batman going full-time (Wonder Woman). The final vote via Hereafter's conclusion where Savage wasn't stopped showed Aquaman ultimately became the eighth member in this timeline either way as he was recruited shortly after the Thanagarian invasion and began becoming less of a jerk by the time of "Destroyer". Green Arrow acted as an alternate eigth during Unlimited as did Black Canary since this show follows Post-Crisis continuity in a very loose way and Post-Crisis placed Canary as Eighth founder present at the Appellaxian Invasion...and operating in Wonder Woman's place in the early days just like how Green Arrow acted as Batman's daylight budget replacement...and how J'onn would get more active use since the big 3 would say "oh we're busy with ongoing problem at same time as league business" frequently...although Wonder Woman at least tried to make time for both league business and keep her beat if she could. During those early days though... Gotham is more than enough reason for Batman to be busy...that place is a pit. Superman usually got tied up with intergalactic threats that didn't require Hal, Guy and John to deal with. Wonder Woman- Amazon issues, but not as much.

Pretty sure she's not necessarily a villain or a hero, she's meant to fill a role similar to what Nick Fury from Marvel has, or Cecil from Invincible, she is meant to be a morally gray character.

@@christianjohnson5379 Not if you go by most of her portrayals elsewhere.

​@@christianjohnson5379 she's more that corrupt government agent that does whatelse they see necessary and cannot be touched by normal means because they will use perception to beat you to the ground without even needing to lift a finger

@@stevenchoza6391 This is the only version of Waller that is good or morally grey, almost everywhere else she's just a villain who claims to be a "Good guy"

@@keithharrissuwignjo2460 Yep.

It’s Heracles, Hercules is Roman

@@dante_0962same guy different name I looked it up there the same character but interpreted by different cultures.

​@@michaeltaylor788 and Wonder Woman would rather everyone forgot about her bratty cousin.

@@timepilotcluefinder94 what cousin?.

@@michaeltaylor788 the one calling himself "Harold Champion" of course...and yes that guy deserves a non-braceleted slap to the face for the stunts he pulled....including working with a witch just so she didn't have to adapt to a new lady in the Wonder suit once...like Donna said once "they better be glad she plays a lot nicer than Diana has to these days...because there was a time when Diana did play nice, but the 90's got to her like it did to Bruce and Clark."

Fr, all the batman fanboys always using the same fking excuse of *"wiTh Enough pReptIme, I caN BEat aNyone"*

Pretty much every except maybe Shining Knight and the Crimson Avenger should be dead. I zeroed in on Stargirl because she fell from the sky.

​@@ShadyDooragsBatman once dented metal with his head and didn't even get knocked out, (if I remember correctly) so I think that dcau humans are just built different.

Welcome to the world of Comics, where everybody is more durable than a normal person

@@obsessedstar superhero characters only die or get hurt when the author says so, so yeah.

That Cowboy hat is incredible...

Never thought about it like this hah Batman has one up on lantern now

I think Shady was talking about the Ted Kord version of Blue Beetle, not the Jaime Reyes version. Ted never had the scarab bonded to him. As to why the Ted Kord version, while he's never seen in Justice League series, he would've probably been active during that time frame. I think the only reason why they didn't use him, was there was some doubts as to whether they had the rights to use the character.

@@atoth62 I don’t think so. Ted doesn’t have powers under any definition, he’s just a guy in a suit who uses tech. He’s your typical Batman type in that regard. Him saying he thinks Beetle has powers would pretty much have to be in reference to Jaime.

@@CommanderSteelTrap Okay, than I misunderstood what Shady was talking about.

To go a little geeky on a discussion of powers, there were a few origin options in Marvel's Super Hero RPG: Altered humans, normal people who acquire powers, such as Spider-Man or the Fantastic Four. High-tech wonders, normal people whose powers come from devices, such as Iron Man. Mutants, persons born with superpowers, such as the X-Men. Robots, created beings, such as the Vision and Ultron. Aliens, non-humans, including extra-dimensional beings such as Thor and Hercules. Personally, I'd say a High Tech Wonder doesn't have super powers but is a superhero. Ripley got into an Exosuit and fought an Alien, does that mean they have superpowers? No, but they were darn heroic doing it. Robots could probably fall into the same thing, as they're just computers using technology and not any superpowers. Is a pilot suddenly possessing the superpower of flight when they flight their plane? Essentially if you meet this hero at a random time and place, just walking down the street.. can they do the same things they can do while being heroic? Can Tony fly and shoot repulsor beams and such without being in the suit? Could Stargirl do anything special without having her staff?

The sad irony of modern times is that we are consistently told to look at the world in black and white for subjects and events that have nuance and grey, and then told to view the world as grey for black and white moral matters.

@@hariman7727 If you see the world in black and white, it is always possible to consider that something could be black _and_ white--meaning, grey. If you see the world as _only_ shades of grey, then there can never be black or white in the first place. That's key. In our rush to prevent mistaken (and dangerous) B&W thinking, we have created two new monstrosities: the "everything is grey so what difference does it make?" nihilist, and then head-in-the-sand ostrich who desperately clings to anything anyone says that might bring back the clean simplicity of unconsidered B&W thinking. In reality, at best only a few things are totally, unquestionably jet-black without the tiniest hint of warrant or virtue, and fewer still are pure-white without the tiniest fleck of grey. But that doesn't mean that snow and coal are equivalent. We have been reminded to hell and back that an enforced righteousness is a false righteousness. Now we need to stand back up and say that that doesn't mean _no one is ever righteous._ It means we must be vigilant, always. Evil wears many masks, and even good people feel temptation. We should not conclude that that means everyone is always horrible forever. We should conclude that that means trust, respect, and authority must be earned.

@@ZekeRaiden THIS is what I miss from comics and superheroes in general. Yes, sometimes they DO screw up. I think this is what was meant in the bit about King Arthur telling Shining Knight 'thank you' for not following his order to slaughter the town of civilians. The question isn't why'd he order his knight to do something like that - it's the fact that nobody's perfect, not the leaders OR the heroes - but Arthur's relief is that his bad judgment call didn't result in everyone in that town dying that he was thanking Justin for. It's understanding that you screwed up, admitting that, and trying to do better in the future, that people have lost sight of. Sometimes the good guys HAVE to stop the dam from exploding and wiping out a whole town, even if that means they miss the chance to keep little Timmy from getting hit by truck-kun because the driver was panicking while evacuating. The thing that separates heroes NOW from heroes THEN, is that they USED to at least feel some kind of guilt that they couldn't save EVERYBODY, and would do what they could to make things right as best they could. That's the cross they bear: even if they COULD make the choice again, they have to live with the knowledge that they still have to do whatever saves more innocent lives, even if they KNOW some lives will be sacrificed in that goal.

@@lstcloud Me and fans have theorized that this was a test by Arthur in that he wasn't looking for a obedient soldier but a good man who was one of the few who deserved to be called a knight and Justin passed with flying colors. The dialogue between Justin and Eiling proves this might have been the case. Eiling/Blockbuster: "Then you failed at being a good soldier." Justin/Shining Knight: "Arthur thanked me you oaf had I been wrong I would've willingly hanged up my sword and left the court in shame." In fact most of my friends who are currently in the military tell me part of the so-called Soldier's Oath is "the moral obligation to refuse and call out orders given by superiors that he or she have concrete evidence proving said order is a morally unjust order."

Miguel O'Hara be like

This is the only version of Waller that I don't want to strangle

@@keithharrissuwignjo2460 This based off some older comic versions of her. Back when she was just "The Wall" she wasn't too bad. Nowadays though? They have made her pure evil for the sake of being evil, and that isn't Waller damn it. I guess she can only be good when C.C.H. Pounder is doing her voice.

Yeah she should be the personification of "necessary evil", the one who does the dirty work that needs doing

Waller's depiction in JL is the only one I'll accept. She learns her lesson (though it's not easy) and she becomes better, but she still has the same goal she always had. She'll still do at best questionable things to meet her goals, but she is willing and even eager to take the higher road when it's offered.

I knew him as Jak from Jak and Daxter

i mean, in terms of his VA, back then DCAU was VERY set on characters having consistent VAs between as many things as humanly possible

He also voiced Steve Trevor really well. Which reminds me of how much Shady needs to do a video about the animated Wonder Woman movie, it's seriously underrated.

It's one of the sources of Vigilante's rizz.

I tried to make that quote go viral back in 2014, back when Ferguson was the newest thing to happen, before Black Lives Matter even started. Needless to say, it did not. The post was that screen capture and quote, labeled *"Ferguson, St. Louis, Missouri - August 9, 2014 - Colorized"* peak 2014 tumblr humor... and nothing. IDK, I guess like 99.9% of attempted memes don't go viral, I should just accept that.

Calling out the military abuse in the USA and their war crimes ON A MAINSTREAM FILM? Good luck with that