Justin Ranks All of the Investigators! (ARKHAM HORROR: THE CARD GAME) 2023 Ranking

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7 ай бұрын

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It's Christmas and you know what that means! Oh, you don't? Well, let me explain. Each year, on December 24th, 25th, and 26th, we release a tier list ranking all the investigators. Let's see what we think of all these investigators one year later.
As per usual, I'll start things off on this quiet Christmas Eve. Buckle up, because I love rambling. 3 hours of Arkham is my gift to you! Happy holidays, Merry Christmas, and thanks for your support through 2023!
Reminder: These tier lists are our own perspectives of the game. While we certainly play a lot of Arkham, we aren't going to pretend that our tier lists are definitive. These lists are meant for fun and discussion, so don't take them too seriously.
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@Moonlighter_TV
@Moonlighter_TV 7 ай бұрын
You guys are a rock in the AH community. I bounce in and out of the game for various reasons - mainly other games and fatherhood - and every time I get back in with my buddy there's always valid updated content from you to dig through and get reacquainted with it.
@mrsuitcase9799
@mrsuitcase9799 7 ай бұрын
I REALLY appreciate you doing in cycle order. Makes it so much easier when looking at sets I don't have and want to evaluate, (or sets I DO have and want to nod and say "Mmm-hmm!"). Especially now that they have investigator boxes by cycle.
@Krvsrnko
@Krvsrnko 7 ай бұрын
Christmas is truly blessed at Playingboardgames with these investigator rankings 🎄 Looking forward to spending 1/3 of my day listening to the three of you!
@jonathanroden1420
@jonathanroden1420 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for putting this together, Justin. Helps a newer player like me think a little deeper on the Investigators.
@Navarp
@Navarp 7 ай бұрын
Love these rankings. Thank you for doing them.
@Crunchybrot
@Crunchybrot 7 ай бұрын
Merry Christmas to all of you! Thanks forvthe interesting tier list, looking forward to watch it fully
@Tiggermk4
@Tiggermk4 7 ай бұрын
Merry Christmas to all at PBG. May your backpacks never whiff. (Agree with you about Ursula in 2 player…very effective,especially if you give her the right relics)
@Bsli81
@Bsli81 7 ай бұрын
Merry Christmas Justin! Such a nice present from PBG to unbox :) Listening to it while testing different Alessandra decks :) Also I was mentioned woohoo :D I still love Patrice, was experimenting with her and the doom stuff from SK. I think Patrice and Alessandra are my two favourite investigators, with Preston as a close third :)
@IamBramBramIam
@IamBramBramIam 7 ай бұрын
Merry Christmas guys, thank you so much for the non stop content ❤
@Vlasinsky
@Vlasinsky 7 ай бұрын
merry x-mas!!! Thank you for video and such a great channel!
@Meklein
@Meklein 7 ай бұрын
Happy Christmas to youse!
@HermieMunster
@HermieMunster 7 ай бұрын
Happy Christmas. Roland, I’ve tried multiple times but he always dies to horror. Now I see why my Skids / Jim play through wasn’t going well, I was playing on hard mode!
@Casey093
@Casey093 7 ай бұрын
Thank you so much, I love those incredibly interesting and entertaining videos! Just one question, maybe this could be possible... You have ranked them due to strength, but could an additional rating by "how fun to play are they" also be possible? Maybe not necessarily with the full rating scale, but just a "positive / neutral / negative" ranking for fun while playing? Keep up the good work!
@Bsli81
@Bsli81 7 ай бұрын
Now that we have all three lists I have to say, for me this one is the most accurate. Thanks for the lists guys! :)
@davidja1336
@davidja1336 7 ай бұрын
Always fun to see! It will be interesting to see how Bryn and Travis rate. I’ll just note that 4p changes some ratings, less flex, more cluever (has to get 3p clues) and fighter (might have to kill 2-3 enemies per round) in ways that I think bump Daisy up to S, and maybe Daniella and certainly Mandy down a bit. As a cluever you really need a plan to consistently grab multiple clues, not just a few with a high base, something like farsighted Harvey or astronomical Norman or guiding stones Daisy or summoned hounds Daisy (personal favorite), and as a fighter you can’t really run out of juice ever. 2p is probably the most pure rating but makes things like Agnes’ ping damage or one Duke action per round or Roland’s clue more valuable than they are in higher counts. Anyway, happy holidays and hope it will be a fun-filled 2024!
@dtvanderpool726
@dtvanderpool726 7 ай бұрын
I would love for you guys to make rankings just based on how much you like playing the investigators. The power of investigators do ebb and flow, but I think knowing the rankings of your favorites would be fun and interesting.
@PlayingBoardGames
@PlayingBoardGames 7 ай бұрын
We did that with Travis last year and we plan on recording some "enjoyment" tierlists in 2024.
@fredericbarbe
@fredericbarbe 7 ай бұрын
My 2 players Vincent Lee run has been one of the time I felt invincible! I created that loop where I could hurt and heal almost every turn, giving my fellow investigator and I a free ?? all the time. I was the very average clue gatherer of the duo, but we had a blast succeeding almost every tests 😁
@jmerranko77
@jmerranko77 6 ай бұрын
Next time, perhaps try placing the avatars ordered by color within each row. It would be an interesting visual to be able to see how the classes compare in terms of tier frequency. Thank you for continuing to put out S-tier content for my favorite tabletop game!
@conanhoward7301
@conanhoward7301 7 ай бұрын
I'm playing Parallel Ashcan now and he's so strong. I often don't even have targets for guitar. Bouncing Makeshift Trap, Map the Area, and Breach the door means multiple investigators are often investigating, fighting, and evading vs. 0.
@timgrossman8346
@timgrossman8346 4 ай бұрын
Would love to see a tier list for solo play.
@astutedunsparce4036
@astutedunsparce4036 7 ай бұрын
“Speaking of joke characters” with somebody like Gloria of Mandy right after would have been so chaotic (but the engagement 🤪 )
@griffinlobster
@griffinlobster 7 ай бұрын
It is now officially Christmas
@romankovalsky8337
@romankovalsky8337 6 ай бұрын
2:55:00 I guess it's not only the guitar. It's crazy, I agree, but I got lucky and have it discarded several times over the course of scenario and still did crazy stuff. The main reason is that maybe his ceiling is not that high as some 'gators can reach closer to the end, but just invest 7 experience in Makeshift Trap and you're a pretty solid monster manager for a 3 player group while still can do some other flex stuff. He is a very good investigator to join the team mid-campaign should one of the team die in course of it.
@henryjones8636
@henryjones8636 5 ай бұрын
Do you have a decklist for the Otherworldly Compass Trish deck?
@UntilArkham
@UntilArkham 7 ай бұрын
Ooh, I only came across your rankings of last year a few days ago, so I am very glad to see them again this year. In the interest of keeping these comments somewhat legible, how about I do one box per comment: - Roland: Yeah, I agree with just about everything. He's fine. - Daisy: I'm surprised how low you rate Daisy, but maybe that's me not having touched her much recently? I remember her being an S-tier investigator, incredible at getting clues, great at dealing with the Mythos Deck because of her Mystic splash, basically no downsides, and a pretty strong signature these days. - Skids: I wish I could say you were wrong, but I know I would be lying. I like Skids, but your ranking is entirely fair. - Agnes: I would've nudged her up to A+ maybe? She's not my favorite mystic, but if I had to tryhard a campaign, I think she's up there. That being said, I don't think A is wrong for her. - Wendy: I could even see her in A-? I think she's quite strong and very hard to kill with that 7/7 and Survivor access + the token redraw. The main thing she struggles with IMO is action compression (and a bit of damage, though Backstab is fortunately a card).
@UntilArkham
@UntilArkham 7 ай бұрын
Moving on to Dunwich: - Zoey: Agreed. - Rex: Ooh, I don't agree with this. Yeah, I would swap Daisy and Rex. I think Daisy has no problem getting a similar level of clues while also providing a ton of support to the team with cards like Old Book of Lore (3) or the PP (teleport tome). I think Rex's ability to get more clues is less important now because the card pool allows you to get the clues you need no problem anyway. - Jenny: A bit painful, but Jenny is D-tier, yeah. Also, looking at her and Skids, and I think people understand why Rogues were so bad early on. (A few minutes later, she gets boosted to C-tier, and I'm here to say: put Jenny in D-tier you coward! /j) - Jim: Complete aside, I've been playing some parallel Jim recently, he's fantastic. Anyway, you're right. - Pete: Yeah, you're spot-on. Ashcan in scenario 1 (or as a reinforcement when someone got killed/insane) he's great. But he's not as powerful as the campaign progress.
@UntilArkham
@UntilArkham 7 ай бұрын
Carcosa time: - Mark: Yeah, I agree with what you said. I think they only thing I'd add is that FFG has started printing better healing cards, which benefits Mark (and Parallel Agnes when we get to her) a lot. - Minh: wow I continue to have a very different view on the Seekers. I wonder if it based on player count? I also don't play true solo a lot, but I do a lot of 2-player. I think Minh is A+ at minimum and it could be argued S-tier. One thing I continue to miss in discussions about Minh is her signature: it just draws you an extra card each turn. Paired with cards like Perception and Eureka (which, you talked about investigators needing setup and tons of XP, these are all 0XP cards you want to run anyway), she routinely draws her deck multiple times a game. - Sefina: I actually dislike Double, Double as a card, I think it is quite win-more, but I have seen some fun Underworld Support Sefina decks. That being said, I think B-tier is fantastic, she's the opposite of Roland in many ways, but I think they're about the same level. - Akachi: So, I agree with you that she's A-tier, I would still put Agnes in A+ (I think Survivor 0-2 is VERY STRONG) and unfortunately some of the recent cards don't really reward a single extra charge (IE Blur). I agree she has some cool jank builds! - So, one thing. His name is William. WillIAM. Not Will. I don't know, it just bothers me. Also sweet, seeing him in A+ is probably higher than I would, but you definitively sell me on him. - Lola: Whoops, I forgot this was a 6-investigator box. I don't really know where she would go.
@UntilArkham
@UntilArkham 7 ай бұрын
Snake time: - Leo: Yeah, agreed. I don't really care about guardians, I think he's worse than Mark and about on par with Zoey. - Ursula: Agreed, she's so great to run around the map and get clues. Also, I would like to speak in defense of doctor Maleson, he's actually quite good in solo. - Finn: I think that getting a free action to evade each turn in the faction with Pickpocketing (2) is a lot of economy? Which is not better than Trish, but it is respectable. - Father Mateo: I think his biggest crime was being printed two cycles early, since in TFA I think the idea was that you seal bad tokens to hit the Elder Sign more often. Which didn't work. He became the Bless investigator with TIC, but I think yeah, Kohaku is just muscling in on his territory. At least he gets 5 bonus XP. - Calvin: I would like to put him in A-, but he's probably at B. He's very similar to Hank, so I hope he gets a bit more.
@UntilArkham
@UntilArkham 7 ай бұрын
- Carolyn: Higher than I expected, but the more you talk about her the more I find myself agreeing with her. I do think she can struggle in 2-player teams, but she's got a LOT of value in EotE + SK. - Joe: I think I'm a little higher on Joe than B-tier, but I also don't remember the last time I saw him on the table so IDK B is fine. Also, I find that the Hunch Deck actually doesn't seem to be getting better with age: there's not been a lot of great Insights you want in there beyond the classics (Working a Hunch, Preposterous Sketches, etc)? - Preston: I would've put him in A-tier if Shed a Light hadn't been tabood. I think Preston is the best investigator at just completely ignoring the chaos bag and a fantastic ability. - Diana: heck yeah. Best Dodge user. She's also fun for jank if you want to use her 3's. - Marie: I think you're right on B-tier? With Scarlet Keys bringing some better Doom tools, I think she's gone up for me. - Rita: Now that Dirty Fighting is a card, as well as Disguise, she's on a new level.
@UntilArkham
@UntilArkham 7 ай бұрын
- Tommy: I would go higher on Tommy. I think his ability to soak for the team reaches game-breaking levels of shutting off damage and horror as a threat. - Mandy: Agreed. - Tony: Agreed. Reign eternal, king. - Luke: I'd still have put him in S. I admire your strength to put him in A+. - Patrice: She's like the perfect B-tier investigator. A little unreliable, but so much fun.
@bardofsnow
@bardofsnow 7 ай бұрын
As someone who has played Suzie a few times now; I would have placed her as a solid A tier. She has a weird flow, but if you build your deck to accommodate for said flow of being good and bad at your job, she puts in work and can be a real powerhouse in either clueving or fighting. Certainly my favorite neutral investigator that I've played so far, and I really like Charlie Kane.
@DrDifra
@DrDifra 7 ай бұрын
It's 2037, justin have been scrolling for 41 minutes, the color shades of the blocks are flashing before your eyes, mixing in a whirpool of raimbows. At last, he stops, dropping gently the figurine of a gracious soul singer into the box. "And that's why Marie Lambeau is A------------------------ slightly above Patrice, just below Billy the HillyBilly" . Sipario.
@PlayingBoardGames
@PlayingBoardGames 7 ай бұрын
Lmao
@davidko9289
@davidko9289 7 ай бұрын
It's ALMOST a normal distribution/Christmas tree shaped (if you rotate it 90 degrees).
@maboilaurence8227
@maboilaurence8227 7 ай бұрын
Tony Morgan and Ashcan Pete still being S tier is all I needed in my life.
@DrDifra
@DrDifra 7 ай бұрын
What is the busted combo in carolyn?
@timokrahl5620
@timokrahl5620 6 ай бұрын
I think the Book Investigators besides Gloria should be considered. They are official - and i don´t know if this is the case in other countries but in Germany the single Books never got released but we instead got big Hardcover compilations (2 of them - the second still to be released soon) which also include all those Investigator Cards - so it´s pretty easy to get a hold of them. It´s actually way harder to get officially produced cards of the Print-and-play / parallel investigators.
@GOVNYASHKA
@GOVNYASHKA 4 ай бұрын
Good day! Explain me, please, why there are two Wendies, Rolands?
@PlayingBoardGames
@PlayingBoardGames 4 ай бұрын
Fantasy Flight Games has made print and play versions of certain investigators. That's why there's two of some investigators.
@dutyfreeadventures5924
@dutyfreeadventures5924 6 ай бұрын
I'm incredibly happy about that Jenny Barnes promotion lol
@user-nc6bx1ok8t
@user-nc6bx1ok8t 7 ай бұрын
Hiding spot is fine. Lure(2) is crazy since it also affects the Elite. With Dynamite or makeshift trap, Pete can defeat 10+ enemies in one turn. It changes the balance of the encounter deck, and even Gloria cannot do the same. In the last few rounds, the encounter deck reshuffled, and you know there wont be any non-elite guys...
@cabbagepotato2421
@cabbagepotato2421 5 ай бұрын
2:22:45 that sound effect actually scared me:(((
@robertthurman9866
@robertthurman9866 7 ай бұрын
Post you Amanda deck!
@francoisbonnet3631
@francoisbonnet3631 7 ай бұрын
JOE DIAMOND rules !
@jamesage100
@jamesage100 7 ай бұрын
Roland was a brutal experience for me. Parallel roland was more fun and it felt I was cheating sometimes he was that good...
@sedlak87
@sedlak87 2 ай бұрын
Why aren't you utilizing the standard S, A, B, C, D, E, F format with detailed explanations for each tier? Your current system seems to lean heavily towards positive rankings like S, A++, A+, A, with fewer negative rankings. It gives off the impression of reluctance to provide critical feedback, but I'd genuinely value an open discussion highlighting both strengths and weaknesses in each investigator's design. Honest critique fosters improvement, after all. What are your thought on omitting the "negative" tiers?
@PlayingBoardGames
@PlayingBoardGames 2 ай бұрын
Because there are very few investigators that are bad, meaning that if there was an E or F tier, no one would really hit them. And if you want, to make yourself feel like there are, just pretend D tier is F tier and go up from there. But I don't think that is an accurate assessment of investigator power level.
@sedlak87
@sedlak87 2 ай бұрын
@@PlayingBoardGamesCool! Thank you for the response and insight.
@Maxu4321
@Maxu4321 7 ай бұрын
Interesting observations: 1) There are no rouges in A tier. 2) Half of S tier are seekers (more then half excluding parallel investigators). P.S. Justin, you really need to get over your anxiety and grade from S to F like a sane person does.
@PlayingBoardGames
@PlayingBoardGames 7 ай бұрын
Most tier lists I've seen bottom out on D tier, it's why we use D tier.
@Maxu4321
@Maxu4321 7 ай бұрын
But they don't have any of these half grades then. Doesn't matter really. Keep up the good work and hopefully do all campaign ranking soon ^^. @@PlayingBoardGames
@cutekitten9856
@cutekitten9856 7 ай бұрын
32:33 You are right Justin, it does sounds a little bit stupid and it doesn't make sense. 13 card hand without the mulligan is simply strictly better than 5 card hand with a mulligan from all possible angles. Also I can't believe that you put Wendy and Agnes (who are both in top3 of their class) to the same tier as Daisy (mediocre). And mr everything Mark Harrigan is an S - there is no way around it. Love you and love the channel!
@PlayingBoardGames
@PlayingBoardGames 7 ай бұрын
You would think, but I've seen more people whiff on a Sefina mulligan than a regular mulligan.
@lordblink
@lordblink 7 ай бұрын
She has a slightly bigger deck size which offsets the 13 a bit, but also the problem is that she has no actual ability. In addition, the initial draw influences the effectiveness of your signatures greatly as well. If you draw poorly, you remember it more since it has such a negative impact. Most rogues can just draw out of a poor opening hand and be totally fine - Sefina can’t.
@MarkvanderZee
@MarkvanderZee 4 ай бұрын
If i close my eyes i hear Jordan Peterson talking :)
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