K.C. Munchkin on the Odyssey 2: How Close Before You're Just a Copy?
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9 күн бұрынHow many Munchies can your Munchkin munch before your Munchkin's all munched out? That's the question posed right on the box cover for K.C. Munchkin for the Odyssey 2. Released in Europe as Munchkin, this maze game's North American title is an inside reference to then president of Philips Consumer Electronics, Kenneth C. Menkin.
Designed and programmed by Ed Averett, Munchkin is very heavily based on Namco's 1980 arcade game Pac-Man, but not a direct clone. It was, however, similar enough for Atari to sue Philips and force them to cease production of Munchkin. Atari was exclusively licensed to produce the first play-at-home version of Pac-Man, but Munchkin hit store shelves in 1981, a year before Atari's game was ready. Atari initially failed to convince a U.S. district court to halt the sale of Munchkin, but ultimately won its case on appeal. In 1982, the appellate court found that Philips had copied Pac-Man and made alterations that "only tend to emphasize the extent to which it deliberately copied the Plaintiff's work." The ruling was one of the first to establish how copyright law would apply to the look and feel of computer software.
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@neugey 7 күн бұрын
That designing your own maze feature was way ahead of its time! Objection your honor, I think KC got a raw deal!
@desiv1170 7 күн бұрын
Yeah, KC definitely got ripped off. Yes, it was obviously inspired and was a pac-man style game, like LOTS of games were at the time. But it wasn't a copy of Pac Man.
@discopants68 6 күн бұрын
I had this game as a kid. You could really get creative programing some cool mazes, including ones that boxed off the munchers. The inability to save mazes made it too tedious to use, though.
@chazzw5388 6 күн бұрын
The shit Atari pulled back then would not have flied now in 2024!!!
@jwdurbin 8 күн бұрын
oddly Mousetrap, Lock n Chase and Ladybug went unscathed.
@AIex_Kidd 7 күн бұрын
And even tho it looks 3D'ish, I'd add Crystal castle to the list
@JustMe99999 7 күн бұрын
The difference here is that the main character is virtually identical to Pac Man.
@IsaacKuo 7 күн бұрын
@@AIex_Kidd Crystal Castle was an Atari game, though. Anyway, Mousetrap, Lock n Chase, and Ladybug didn't have a home ports until after Atari 2600 Pac-Man. Atari went after K.C. Munchkin because people really wanted a home version of Pac-Man and they were being Odyssey 2 systems (instead of Atari 2600 systems) just for that one game. There were oodles of Pac-Man clones on home computers and stuff, but only the Odyssey 2 was a true direct threat to Atari 2600 sales.
@jwdurbin 7 күн бұрын
@@JustMe99999 when he is in motion he definitely is
@bland9876 7 күн бұрын
I have lock and chase on the 3DS virtual console and I think that game plays more like Pac-Man however the character doesn't munch the dots like Pac-Man so there is that.
@jeremiahthomas8140 8 күн бұрын
I was not expecting an Odyssey 2 game. Good choice.
@GenXGrownUp 8 күн бұрын
I have a long list of candidates, but when I fired this one up I was sold and decided it had to be next. Look, squirrel! 🐿️
@jeremiahthomas8140 8 күн бұрын
@GenXGrownUp You need to get some friends together and play the three Odyssey 2 board games.
@turret72 7 күн бұрын
You know, now that you think about it, K.C. Munchkin could possibly be seen as Odyssey 2's mascot. Not just for this game, but for K.C.'s Crazy Chase.
@jefflanoux1063 7 күн бұрын
I would definitely call it a derivative of pac-man. I personally think it was different enough that it shouldn't have been an issue.
@user-dd2iv7wc2s 7 күн бұрын
I thought it was more like LadyBug with the shifting maze that you could use to your advantage.
@majestyk3337 7 күн бұрын
I think it's a blatant rip off.
@gator-freighterlpd-1334 7 күн бұрын
I still have my Odyssey 2, I spent many evening hours at our cabin playing K.C. Munchkin, Pick Axe Pete, & Freedom Fighters. IMO the best games for the system. There is also a follow up to K.C. Munchkin called K.C.'s Krazy Chase (Kind of Pac-Man combined with Centipede in a maze).
@mattjumbo 7 күн бұрын
Me too! I always thought, for a couple of years at least, that the O2 actually had better games than the VCS. But the low scoring and one life quirks were quite off-putting. Also, Atari just had too many arcade licenses. No way for anyone to compete, really.
@briansellers7673 7 күн бұрын
There were so many Pac-Man clones back in the early 80's. I think this one looks very unique and I like the variation in the mazes. I personally think this game is unique enough that that Magnavox should of won the case.
@GenXGrownUp 6 күн бұрын
I'd tend to agree with you.
@IamPowerdriven 8 күн бұрын
That is definitely a twist. I wasn't expecting that but fun stuff. Great job.
@GenXGrownUp 8 күн бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@van_goghx 7 күн бұрын
K.C. Munchkin, Pick Axe Pete and U.F.O. were my favorites of the 15 or so games I owned. UFO was an odd Asteroids clone with a unique aiming method and a really fun chain-reaction system when blowing up the asteroids. You just know that this time you’re gonna beat your high score! No, I meant this time! No, this is the one! lol
@MarcKloos 7 күн бұрын
I liked the fact that you have to slightly move your ship to change the aim of your laser gun. Not everyone who played it (in the supermarket's game dept) noticed that.
@chriswheatley3146 7 күн бұрын
I loved UFO as well and usually just used the shield to ram the asteroids since aiming usually ended up getting me killed.... lol. Pick Axe Pete I found overly tough at a super young age. Thunderball was also quite fun.
@MarcKloos 7 күн бұрын
@@chriswheatley3146 Pick Axe Pete is a typical game of the late 70's, early 80's: easy to understand but hard as nails. Just climb ladders, knock boulders with your axe, but so utterly frustrating! UFO can be played using both strategies: move your ship to rotate the "turret" and shoot, watch the debris hit other asteroids. Or just carefully ram them with your force field and try to survive the moments when you're invulnerable while your force field is replenished. Excellent game, sadly not recognised by many.
@barrycase5799 6 күн бұрын
Loved this game as a die hard Pac-man fan...The fact this had a maze editor put it way ahead of its time...I used to spend hours trying to recreate the maze from arcade Pac-man...Only to lose it when you turned off the console!...What brilliant times they were
@BigPlatinumDragon 7 күн бұрын
Our family got the Magnavox Odyssey 2 instead of the Atari 2600 and I absolutely loved K,C, Munchkin, and I was devastated when my parents eventually sold the system and games while I was off at school. of course by then the game was remade and was much different so I was unable to afford an original copy back then. Of course Atari sued, they knew this game was leaps and bounds better than what their game was. and I had lots of fun inviting my friends over to play my version of Pac-Man as opposed to their C-man game on their Atari console. and yes that is how I always referred to their Pac-man, both because he was literally a large letter C and also for the inuendo. LOL
@glennshoemake4200 8 күн бұрын
I remember Snackman on the Commodore 64 back in 1982.
@GenXGrownUp 8 күн бұрын
I just looked it up. That was a much MORE blatant copy than Munchkin to my eye! 😁
@McLovin_2007 8 күн бұрын
There were alot of Pac Man clones back then. Games like Lady Bug, Cat Trax, and Chase the Chuck Wagon. I like the Lady Bug homebrew on Atari 2600 because it has rotating walls.
@PeBoVision 8 күн бұрын
system and cartridge memory restrictions means that nearly all Odyssey2 games are single player (the only exception I can think of is the EXCELLENT arcade port of Turtles which comes on a 4K cartridge.) I stood in the store looking at the Atari 2600 and the Odyssey2 and was sold by the Odyssey's keyboard and their very unique two player Breakout clone and very different take on Space Invaders...I never regretted this pusrchase decision, even after the system was discontinued (living down the street from the Phillips warehouse gave me access to all the games for months to come. CHEAP!) KC Munkin was part of the Odyssey2's "Challenger series" which featured enhanced graphics and memory size - along with some of the best games on the system (Turtles, KC Muchkin & KC's Crazy Chase, PT Barnum. Pick Axe Pete, Killer Bees, MonkeyShines(!!!good game!!!) and others). The real claim to fame for the system though was it's board game/video game hybrids...where you played a board game that included video game elements. Truly unique and great fun. It is interesting to note that all of the Odyssey2's release titles were written by one coder...an Intel salesperson.
@AdamConus 7 күн бұрын
Odyssey 2 also features a number of sports games which are exclusively 2 player, so you sort of have to pick your poison in that regard. I really enjoy O2 Football, but I'll never get anyone to play it with me. O2 Volleyball is bizarre and has a 1 player option, so I play that pretty regularly when my O2 is out and hooked up.
@machfront 7 күн бұрын
I still have my Odyssey 2 and a collection of about 30 games, all in their original boxes, including the three board game combo games! My folks bought the whole shebang for me used in the year Nintendo was released, bizarrely. I’d had my 2600 since Christmas of ‘82, but by ‘86 I really wasn’t playing it. I fell in love with the O2 games, actually. Heck, friends who had the new NES were coming over to play it! Heheh We all loved Quest of the Rings, especially (as we were D&D gamers as well)! I also found I greatly preferred the O2 joysticks. Thanks for this! I hope do more in the future! 🙂
@yanc4577 7 күн бұрын
Way Much better then Pac-Man on the VCS... Great work Jon !
@sleekflash16 8 күн бұрын
I recently got an Odyssey 2, and as a huge Pac-Man fan, this is my favorite game on the system.
@PeBoVision 7 күн бұрын
I recommend KC's Crazy Chase - Pacman and a snake game mash-up
@eternalvoide 7 күн бұрын
I had an Oddysey 2 instead of a Atari when I was a kid. I never had this one, but I had the follow up, KCs Krazy Chase. If you had the voice module, he talked!
@SkiBumMSP 7 күн бұрын
I never had an Odyssey II, but one of my friends did. We used to use that maze editor and try to design some of the narlyest mazes and then challenge the other to try to beat it. We even did one maze where we took away all the walls, just leaving the outer boarder and the center "monster house" and see what will happen. If I recall, I think K.C. Munchkin can actually go diagonally in a wide open "maze" like that, but then again, that was some 40 years ago, so my memory is a bit fuzzy there. I still thought it was a cool and interesting game at the time, and it was a way to play a "Pac-Man" like game if all you had was this and did not have access to an actual Pac-Man game. In hindsight, we all know how the Atari Pac-Man game turned out, although the Ms Pac-Man game was really well done on the 2600.
@Robalini1 7 күн бұрын
After seeing this, I'll compar KC Munchkin to Whitesnake's "Still of the Night". Maybe it's not Pac Man or Led Zeppelin, but it's a prety awesome inspiration.
@MrClawt 7 күн бұрын
I love seeing retro games I missed.
@myheart4apen 7 күн бұрын
Had a couple friends who had an Odyssey2, and K.C. Munchkin was great! Particularly in contrast to the 2600 Pac-Man.
@Trialwolf 7 күн бұрын
I grew up with Munch Man on the TI/99 computer :).
@nowthatsjustducky 7 күн бұрын
Never had Munch Man back in the day. First had only Parsec, Alpiner, A-Mazing, and Tombstone City. Later, I was able to take advantage of the super discount Atarisoft cartridges in the Triton catalog, and for $5 each, got Star Trek and Burgertime.
@luismoura477 7 күн бұрын
This game ia awesome. I played for many hours back then.
@QunMang 7 күн бұрын
I had a friend back in the day who had the O2 and this game. I don't think I knew at the time about the lawsuit, but I did learn of it prior to this video.
@williamcounihan3229 7 күн бұрын
You should try K.C's crazy chase for Odyssey 2 as well.
@jorgezarco9269 7 күн бұрын
My half-brother owned a copy of the game. He was released from jail in 1983. He played the Hardcastle & McCormick theme song on his electric guitar back then. He was also a fan of the late Jon-Erik Hexum.
@GenXGrownUp 7 күн бұрын
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@mfeldsher 7 күн бұрын
Thank you Jon for today's Genx plays. I own this game, but I have never played it. I may just hook up my Odyssey 2 and try it out. I know there is a Colecovision homebrew version of this and also a homebrew for the 2600 of it. Keep up the amazing work on bringing your dream to life and giving us some great content.
@jayme69 7 күн бұрын
What a great little game. Vaguely reminds me of Data East's Lock 'N' Chase, especially with the variation where the map keeps changing. Keep up the awesome work! :-)
@sithcritic8906 6 күн бұрын
Never owned an Odyssey, but I own KC Munchkin and KC’s Krazy Chase (both in the box) for their historical interest.
@tedadamgreen 7 күн бұрын
That’s a well done game inspired by one of the all time greatest! Thanks Jon
@ultimatemaitai 7 күн бұрын
That seems like a really interesting game.
@TheKurtsPlaceChannel 6 күн бұрын
Very entertaining and fun to watch. Thanks for posting this.
@GenXGrownUp 5 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@JustinEmlay 7 күн бұрын
All they had to do was create a unique character. That's what killed it.
@IsaacKuo 7 күн бұрын
What killed it was timing - Atari didn't have their Pac-Man port ready yet, and in the meantime people were buying Odyssey 2 systems just for K.C. Munchkin. Atari didn't even have to win the lawsuit, they just needed to abuse the law to make them stop selling K.C. Munchkin for some months. They lost at first, but then they got lucky, with a bad judgement in their favor. But winning the lawsuit was never the point. It's telling that Atari didn't sue any of the MANY Pac-Man clones on more expensive computer systems, nor did they bother to sue any of the popular Pac-Man clones on consoles after they got their own Pac-Man port out. It was never about the merits (or lack thereof) of the case. It was strictly a business move to attack a competitor at a critical time.
@isohaven758 5 күн бұрын
Exactly this. The main character was a direct cheese wheel copy.
@MannyCakes1984 7 күн бұрын
You know, for a Pac-Man clone, this is pretty good! I really like the different mazes available. Great choice.
@GenXGrownUp 7 күн бұрын
Agreed!
@kenhill3230 7 күн бұрын
This actually looks like a really fun clone.
@allenfrisch 4 сағат бұрын
I remember playing KC Munchkin at my nextdoor neighbor's house when I was a kid. Ironically it was about 3000% better than the home port of Pac-Man I owned for the 2600! The only thing that sucked about the O2 was that the control stick couldn't return to center like the ones we were all used to.
@vinnyboomba9948 7 күн бұрын
I loved that game, especially with the voice module
@kenwheeler3637 7 күн бұрын
Definitely one of the best games on the console as well as it's sequel, KC's Krazy Chase. Other really good selections are: Pick Axe Pete, Attack of the Timelord, Smithereens, Killer Bees and Turtles.
@scottmccormick5724 7 күн бұрын
Hi Jon. Thanks for your great channel. I loved watching KC Munchkin as I had an Odyssey 2. You should try Alien Invader Plus. It is a Space an invader type of game on the Odyssey 2 which I think you’d love. Thanks for all you do.
@johnrussell8086 7 күн бұрын
Speaking of similar games. Recent titles such as Donut Dodo and Galacticon are very close and feel like a great evolution of the games they are emulating. Donut Dodo is like Donkey Kong and Galacticon is a mixture of Joist and defender.
@chriswheatley3146 7 күн бұрын
My parents had this game when I was really young. It was my second favorite game on the Odyssey 2 besides UFO. It's definitely a Pac-Man style game (clone), but I'd never consider it a Pac-Man replacement as me and my neighbor friends enjoyed both equally in different ways. It's really sad this one got successfully sued when there were others out there that didn't; but I can see some of the reasons. If I remember correctly, there's also a game option where the maze is hidden when you moved. As for the 4 number score, that's pretty common with Odyssey 2 games as many of them use the same layout on the bottom of the screen.
@kevinlawson1746 7 күн бұрын
Odyssey 2 was a lot more popular across the pond . So they got system's and accessories we never got .
@user-dd2iv7wc2s 7 күн бұрын
I had a choice when I was a kid... Go with my parents to Hawaii OR they buy me the new Oddessy 2. I took the trip, but I still regret not getting the game system.
@ctbinary42 8 күн бұрын
That's actually a very clever clone of Pac-Man. Just not clever enough I guess according to the courts.
@srobeck77 8 күн бұрын
ya the courts also found OJ Simpson innocent, so Im not always buying what they sellin
@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145 4 күн бұрын
...and then came K.C.'s Crazy Chase to try yo make him even further different than Pac-Man
@PeeNCee 6 күн бұрын
I have both Munchkin games and there way no way they deserved that
@chriskater 7 күн бұрын
I like this game much more. Too bad I don't have an Odyssey 2. I guess this can be emulated... ? -Very colorful. That makes it very 80's ❤. -The walls move, so it makes a great challenge. -Munches colors are just adorable. -The character you play as has some antennas...? Or so it appears... it looks so much better than PacMan. Seriously, I really want to play this.
@GenXGrownUp 7 күн бұрын
I was playing it in emulation. Easily playable in your browser, too! archive.org/details/K.C._Munchkin_1982_Philips_US
@ddw1272 7 күн бұрын
My cousin had the Odyssey II, so this is one of the games i played when i went and visited him. In some ways, this game felt like a fever dream (a pac-man where you could build your own mazes). In fact, this is probably the only game i remember on that system so if you want to cater the friday plays entirely to my hazy memories, maybe the next one can be a bunch of He-man figures on being played with on brown shag carpet
@stonedcommander 6 күн бұрын
In the 4-room game go up into the top room on the right and go into the nook on the left side of that room and just sit there and they will never touch you:)
@VEGANVANIA 7 күн бұрын
I have actually read the court decision, i.e., the opinion of the judge. I think he was quite a brilliant man who wasted his talents with a career in law, frankly, and I think he hit the nail on the head with his decision (as to which aspects of Pac Man, precisely, can be imitated, and which can't).
@talir71 7 күн бұрын
But when he was wearing a shirt that said "As you wish" on it, what it really should've said is, "This is Pac-Man"....
@TokyoXtreme 7 күн бұрын
The virgin Atari 2600 Pac-Man vs. the chad Odyssey 2 KC Munchkin.
@greenmachine5487 5 күн бұрын
I loved my Odyssey 2, even if it was weaker than the 2600. I would love an Odyssey 2 mini 😍
@ZMAN_420 7 күн бұрын
It does look like Pac-Man but at the same time is different? Very interesting, I've never heard of this game before. Looks good for the time.👍🏻🇺🇲
@SupernaturalMario64 7 күн бұрын
I just realized that the maze is asymmetrical
@mikesilva3868 6 күн бұрын
Great review ❤
@GenXGrownUp 6 күн бұрын
Glad you liked it!!
@mikesilva3868 6 күн бұрын
@@GenXGrownUp okay 😊
@mikesilva3868 6 күн бұрын
@@GenXGrownUp 😊😊😊cool
@richlo8887 5 күн бұрын
You never owned an the Odyssey 2?!!! Bro!!!!!!! KC was the bomb!!!
@RonnieBarzel 7 күн бұрын
The moving “munchies” makes Atari’s lawsuit as about as frivolous and unwarranted as National Comics’ (now DC) against Fawcett over Captain Marvel.
@RonnieBarzel 7 күн бұрын
OK, I got to the judge’s statement and your conclusion near the end, and have to admit it’s not quite as open-and-shut as my initial post thought.
@SomeRandomDudeOnTheInternet827 8 күн бұрын
I think you should play Hover Force for the Intellivision next time!
@mattjumbo 7 күн бұрын
Not that it would have mattered to the eventual fate of either system, but the courts were clearly wrong on this one. And KC Munchkin was *so* much better than the Pac-Man for the VCS. I had an Odyssey 2 as a kid and loved it, but they self-sabotaged in many ways. *All* of their games were low-scoring like KC, and they all had the one life rule. Such a weird choice. I assume it had to do with the technical limitations of the system. At any rate, all the kids that played the O2 at my house didn't like those quirks about the system, even though it had many great games that they otherwise loved.
@IsaacKuo 7 күн бұрын
That's unfortunate - I was one of those kids who visited a friend to play their Odyssey 2. I loved all the games on it, that we played. I didn't even notice the one life thing, because I was just going to resume playing anyway. This was, of course, before there were "Game Over" scenes that took a while to load and watch, much less load times to start the next game.
@urbanknish 7 күн бұрын
I grew up with this game and always hit "1" for some reason. I never considered "0" to be the standard. But I loved making my own maze with "5". What a neat game. It's too bad it didn't feature 3 lives. Even worse, it's too bad that Odyssey 2 didn't have more 3rd party support. The game library is sorely lacking compared to Atari 2600.
@majestyk3337 7 күн бұрын
Atari probably sued because they were jealous that Odyssey was able to get the "Pac-Man's" mouth to move in all four directions.
@GenXGrownUp 6 күн бұрын
Ha!
@JohnSegerclucka 6 күн бұрын
Hilarious comment! Both games were pretty awful TBH.
@hammerheadms 6 күн бұрын
KC Munchkin was a great game, but I prefer the sequel. KC's Crazy Chase.
@exidy-yt 5 күн бұрын
In today's era of 'genres' (or even by the 90s) there's no way this lawsuit would have gone through. It really was one of the best games on the Oddysey 2 along with Pick-Axe Pete. I am sure Quest for the Rings would be the best game for it, but it involves a load of outside the game tools, cards, gameboard etc. to play properly.
@billschlafly4107 7 күн бұрын
If KC were a car, I think the game substantially removes itself from being Pac Man like. But then "Munchkin" doesn't make sense.
@randysmith7094 7 күн бұрын
You don't do much Commodore stuff. I've been addicted to this old game called Serpentine for Vic20 and C64. It's a cool maze snake game. Unfortunately it was only released in Europe so I never seen it as a kid. I actually found it on PCUAE collection, a USB loader front end for TheC64 and The400 mini.
@drno-xc1yt 7 күн бұрын
It's always seemed odd to me that of all the Pac-Man clones that were made, Atari chose to go after this one in court - I guess it's because the game was successful and it predated Atari's own port of Pac-Man. I can probably think of a dozen Pac-Man clones that are more blatantly derivative than KC Munchkin.
@GenXGrownUp 5 күн бұрын
IMHO, it was a matter of timing. KC was released less than a year before their home version was scheduled to be released.
@KnickKnack07 6 күн бұрын
I remember thinking "I don't know why Atari is so worried. They clearly have a better console. So their version of PacMan was definitely going to be SPECTACULAR. As soon as people saw it, everyone would want it. And as soon as one got it and their friends got to play it, they would immediately buy an Atari just to have it! It will probably go down as the most important home console game ever and what makes Atari the definitive winner in perpetuity."
@GenXGrownUp 6 күн бұрын
We know how that turned out! 😜 But after Space Invaders was so good, we had reason to be optimistic.
@Mika73x2 7 күн бұрын
It’s maybe best Philips Videopac game out there. And notice how I am calling it Videopac as it was called here at Europe. I would maybe think it as maze game not as Pacman. But as 80’s there were so many clones of every game. Think Commodore for example. Many Vic20 or C64 cartridges were direct clones of other games. They just change name. And who knows how many Donkey Kong or Space Invaders clones we had at tapes. And nobody could care less.. K.C Munchin also has sequel K.C Crazy Chase. Maybe you could test that too. It’s a little different and I also call it maze game… Maybe you call it Pacman too.. 😊
@eebuckeye 7 күн бұрын
Never understood why almost all O2 games only gave you one life..
@discopants68 6 күн бұрын
More true to life? Seriously, though, you felt a greater sense of urgency to stay alive with no extras to spare.
@danielespeziari5545 7 күн бұрын
Now that I think about it, I haven't played my Videopac (=European version of the Odyssey2) for a long time. Maybe tonight I'll give it a go
@MarcKloos 7 күн бұрын
The Philips Videopac 7400?
@JohnSegerclucka 6 күн бұрын
One life per game holds this one back big time
@GenXGrownUp 6 күн бұрын
One mistake and you're done. I think I might come back to it more frequently if it had lives/health rather than insta-game-over.
@JohnSegerclucka 6 күн бұрын
@@GenXGrownUp Aren't most Odyssey 2 games one and done? That console is so underpowered compared to the 2600. I knew a girl who had one in the early 80's and she hated it
@GenXGrownUp 6 күн бұрын
@@JohnSegerclucka You may be right. I know very little about the O2, but I'm learning!
@mr.pavone9719 7 күн бұрын
I've only ever seen one Odyssey2 while it was available. It was in my elementary school library. I've only ever seen one place where they were sold and that was the very same store that donated the console to my school. I have never, ever seen one at another kid's home and that's a shame cuz it wasn't all that bad a system.
@Carlb328 7 күн бұрын
Jon you need to check out Snakepit for the 400 mini. It's a tiny bit like pacman but quite different in a way I"m sure you'd like.
@LinuxCity79 3 күн бұрын
this reminds me more of mouse trap than anything else
@GeeksByTheCreek 7 күн бұрын
You missed talking about 5-9: the invisible mazes! Whenever you move, the mazes disappear! You need to try those! Taken as a whole with the invisible mazes, I have always felt the 1st judge got it right. And I also feel KC is a far better, more playable and definitely more fun game than Atari Pacman. Just sayin...
@GenXGrownUp 7 күн бұрын
Oh, I forgot about those! Dang it!
@tomevil6 8 күн бұрын
I would play this.
@EdwardMitchell-kz4zc 7 күн бұрын
Pac man for the 2600 was an abomination of the original. Maybe they rushed it to market, but if I'm playing pacman on the 2600, it's Ms. Pac man! That port was done very well!
@jimjam51075 5 күн бұрын
Lol..."a muncher box...."
@CP200S 7 күн бұрын
The brazilian tv ad for that game is worth a look. If you know portuguese, the last phrase sounds kinda... inappropriate.
@Aaron-by3ke 7 күн бұрын
There are many great games I haven't had the opportunity to play throughout my 45 years of video gaming and K.C. Munchkin was the first one. This is leagues better than the awful VCS PacMan. It's a pretty long list of games. The good news is Daxter on the PSP won't be on that list much longer. Is that hat available at your store? I want it.
@JumboJosh-lv3mo 7 күн бұрын
The problem is the fact it looked like pac-man, and also had too many pac-man elements. You don’t need tunnels, you don’t need power pellets, you don’t need editable ghosts, ya don’t need a ghost hut. Not to mentioned it looked very similar to pac-man.
@danielfontes6629 5 күн бұрын
Actually, Type 3 makes me think of Ladybug and Mouse Trap.
@GenXGrownUp 5 күн бұрын
Yes, you're right. We just aren't in control of the door/gate in this case.
@annwatts7002 7 күн бұрын
Where's the voice at? Ouch Oh No, incredible, watch out
@FUGP72 6 күн бұрын
It was such a bullshit ruling, and I'm not just saying that because I had a defective copy and was not able to get it replaced because of the recall due to the lawsuit. I went with my dad to Sears to return it for a new one, just to have the person say that no...they couldn't give me any of the copies they clearly had in the case. And they even tried to bully us claiming we HAD to give back our copy. We didn't, even thought it didn't work. My dad was hoping a co-worker at IBM might be able to fix it. IT never happened. So now I still have a broken copy of KC Munchkin lying around. I'd like to think that's why Sears went bankrupt 35 or so years later. Because of what they did to a little boy who wanted to play a PacMan like game at home. It was WAY more different than all the other PacMan clones out there. And for "feel of the game" there were plenty of dot eating maze chase games before PacMan. So why didn't Exidy have a say in things? If KC Munchkin was close enough to PacMan, than PacMan was close enough to Crash.
@GenXGrownUp 6 күн бұрын
Oh, no!
@Androsynth75 7 күн бұрын
Always thought this game was fairly meh, not really any more remarkable than any number of pac clones from the era, but it’s sequel, KC’s Crazy Chase which is more of a love child of Serpentine/Nibbler and Pac Man is really quite excellent.
@GenXGrownUp 7 күн бұрын
I'll give it a try. Thanks!
@KristianWontroba 7 күн бұрын
Great video Jon! So what does the K.C. mean? 😊
@GenXGrownUp 7 күн бұрын
Never explained as far as I know, but it was known to be a reference to then president of Philips Consumer Electronics, Kenneth C. Menkin.
@chriswheatley3146 7 күн бұрын
@@GenXGrownUp You're correct according to wikipedia: "K.C. Munchkin!, released in Europe as Munchkin, is a maze game for the Magnavox Odyssey 2. Its North American title is an inside reference to then president of Philips Consumer Electronics, Kenneth C. Menkin."
@srobeck77 8 күн бұрын
Idk courts have really losened up on this. Look at that new Palworld as a clone to Pokemon
@amare65 7 күн бұрын
I've heard that marijuana smokers get the "munchies" too!
@AdamConus 7 күн бұрын
Personally, I think K.C.'s Krazy Chase! is the superior K.C. game.
@peterparker346 6 күн бұрын
I no longer play on that console I’m playing on Xbox series X PS5 Xbox 360 PS3 PS4 Nintendo Switch Wii Wii U and PC right now
@GenXGrownUp 6 күн бұрын
OK
@richlo8887 5 күн бұрын
Any rumors on My Arcade releasing a true version of Pac-Man, like they did with Ms. Pac-Man?
@GenXGrownUp 4 күн бұрын
The Pac-Man Pro line last year (Pocket Player Pro, Micro Player Pro, etc.) are the closest they've come so far.
@smallmj2886 6 күн бұрын
I don't really see how this had legal woes, but Munchman on the TI994/A was okay.
@GenXGrownUp 6 күн бұрын
👌
@rustymixer2886 7 күн бұрын
My dad bought a used ti99 and kc munchkin cuz we couldnt afford a 5200 and $50 pacman game.
@IsaacKuo 7 күн бұрын
Ti99 didn't have KC Munchkin, but it did have Munchman - a really nice Pac-Man clone with small sprites and a distinctive white background look (most Pac-Man clones had a black background).
@rustymixer2886 6 күн бұрын
@@IsaacKuo yup that was it, thx it was a clone of a clone 😆
@GenXGrownUp 5 күн бұрын
I played a fair amount of Munch Man on the TI at my friend's house around Middle School age. Wasn't that one reversed where you were painting the maze rather than clearing it?
@rustymixer2886 4 күн бұрын
@@GenXGrownUp yup ;)
@jasejj 7 күн бұрын
So in short, it had nothing to do with the game's similarity to Pac man (some games on the 2600 were closer) and much more an effort to cripple your competitor. As far as I am concerned Atari had no business chasing this as it wasn't their intellectual property to begin with.
@GenXGrownUp 5 күн бұрын
I don't agree with the final ruling, but Atari did have a right to protect the license they had acquired.
@KJW648 7 күн бұрын
Or for Phillips G700 in the rest of the world 🌎😂
@GenXGrownUp 6 күн бұрын
Indeed.
@tron3entertainment 6 күн бұрын
C'mon, this is certainly a type of clone but not Pac Man. Still looks and plays better than the Atari 2600 Pac Man.
@mikeburkhart8336 7 күн бұрын
K. C. Munchkin may have been a knockoff,but the game was actually fun.
@grotgrusson5124 6 күн бұрын
I have been searching for an original Video Pac for years now, even the emulator on my Pi didnt work. So I have to ask you, what emulator is this? KC and Freedom Fighters has to be the best games on this console.
@GenXGrownUp 6 күн бұрын
I'm just using the O2EM core in Retroarch, and it seems to work wonderfully.
@grotgrusson5124 6 күн бұрын
@@GenXGrownUp Thanks man. I'll have a look at that 🙂👍♥️
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