This is a compilation of some videos shared by Jon Kaase during his presentation at the 2015 AETC that I attended.
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@joed60582 жыл бұрын
I’ve met Jon Kasse at PRI. He is a nice guy and definitely the goto Ford guy.
@n4thawin6 жыл бұрын
It's awesome to see the flow is not smooth in the runner of the intake and also able to visualize harmonics at play!! Thanks for the video!
@n5ifi5 ай бұрын
I never would have imagine fuel just washing down everything. I found that fascinating and not what I would have expected.
@KimiWallrus3 ай бұрын
Imagine a third more fuel like Alky washing the rings!
@petervorum94378 жыл бұрын
Joe,Esso (now Exxon Mobil) added HTA surfactant to their fuel for the original Put a Tiger In Your Tank ads in ~1964. Their lab in Elisabeth, NJ, put a camera in #1 port of a V-8, and replaced the exhaust with short stacks. Chassis dyno'd the whole car. At street loads, almost every cycle, a drop of fuel ~3/8 dia by 1/2 long went into the cylinder; then, when the valve was closed, the mist of fuel bounced around the valve head like a crown. Have you ever seen that 16mm B&W film?When HTA was added, the fuel drop broke up into a tiny particle mist. Before, there were 8 different exhaust gas colors from red to blue. With HTA, 8 baby blues.I also heard that flow separation or entrainment in the plenum depends on the distance from the base plate of the carburetor to the floor of the plenum. Are you familiar with that rule of thumb?I'd love to see a similar film shot w/ extremely high speed video, like 50,000 frames/sec.Unfortunately, I was not in attendance at AETC when you showed this. I would have loved to met you. I did my Master's on manifold design. Maybe I'll get to present my work in Indy next year?
@luckyPiston2 жыл бұрын
Wow, so is HTA a proprietary thing, are other fuel companies using similar additives ?
@luckyPiston2 жыл бұрын
So what can you tell me about running carb/tbi spacers, is there a rule of thumb on how tall they should be , volume , dividers , ribs , stuff like that ? tks eh.
@bigcheese7814 жыл бұрын
After seeing this, I'm not worried that my somewhat scewed injector placement is the culprit of my heavily oscilating idle...
@alpatriot62273 жыл бұрын
Wow, that was very interesting to see ! Great thanks!
@BOOT3 жыл бұрын
So cool to see what goes on inside a running intake!
@Anarchy-Is-Liberty Жыл бұрын
It's a mess!!!
@kene68383 жыл бұрын
Is that why my doctor does that ?
@nissanjon303412 күн бұрын
I'm here because of a QR code in Billy Godbold's book 'High-performance Cams & Valvetrains". 😀
@Mr39036ce3 жыл бұрын
The fuel on the plenum walls,is that an occurrence at initial W.O.T. or a constant with airflow? Seems limiting plenum and more to I R. is a better option but tuning length and dia. would result in a very narrow band peak at resonance. Or fuel coming out of suspension due to reversion?
@jongallant60543 жыл бұрын
I believe we are still in the primitive stages of understanding how to manipulate fuel drop out from vapor to big droplets. It's a mixture of air and fuel mixing together. Which can be similar to mixing water and oil. One is heavier than the other. That video showed us just how bad equal distribution is in the plenum chamber. Carburetors do waste alot of fuel. Fuel injection is more precise. But each has its own drawbacks I would imagine. If someone like Kasse. Or anyone who really applies R&D to understand the goal of perfect fuel flow. These guys get to the top of the drag racing world by experimenting to find horsepower. And when they find it. They hold on to it tight like classified information in government military projects. It's how they find that advantage over all the other guys. Hopefully one day there will be another racing book written that reveals all the discoveries that came about over the last 50 years. A De-classified collection of racing engine secrets. The dark area surrounding Tunnel Rams and the black magic that go's with them in detail would be exciting to read about. The intake manifold can be configured to serve many different kinds of results and for different kinds of needs. Almost like rocket science. Will it be able to land on the moon 1st. 🏆
@yurimodin73332 жыл бұрын
I assume running boost solves this since that should eliminate the constant flipping from + to - pressure.
@Anarchy-Is-Liberty Жыл бұрын
Yes, but unlike government military projects, none of these guys are going to destroy the planet or murder a bunch of innocent people for oil and gold!!!!
@turbo1438 Жыл бұрын
@@yurimodin7333 I just learned that no it does not. Turns out it's the exhaust pressure sneaking back out at the moment the intake valve opens
@35Bare5 жыл бұрын
we done this 25 years ago,,on pro stock motors and what we found was a smooth intake was NOT good for RPM and a round port with a specific texture worked and the plenum box was tunable,,,,,now all intake ports are round and you have intake turtles
@luckyPiston2 жыл бұрын
From what you know what is the best runner finish ? is it something you can do going in with a die grinder and a particular burr ? tks
@garykarenmcgruther63866 ай бұрын
Thats funny, Jon won two years in a row with this creature, no one was really close to him. I wonder what he knows that we don't? Its simple if you pay attention to the behavor of air and fuel. It don't hit the walls until reversion starts, not before then. No matter what the finish is, its going to happened period.
@wesleycook31813 жыл бұрын
now that is is cool to see how the air and fuel react at high RPM awesome
@xmo5523 жыл бұрын
This is super cool, but can someone explain to me what I learned here? 😁 Please.
@tptrsn8 жыл бұрын
Amazing video! What do you guys take from this?
@Hitman-ds1ei3 жыл бұрын
You can see why Smokey did his hot vapour engine
@johnsheetz66393 жыл бұрын
You have a great point.
@baby-sharkgto4902 Жыл бұрын
Richard Holdener sent me here
@ppernett15 ай бұрын
There is an engineering master class in this video. So cool.
@jamesgravel77553 жыл бұрын
Really make you see why we sand blast the runners real coarse to stop that fuel from pooling up and get good atomization. I wonder what the difference of plastic intake to aluminum was on the numbers.
@petervorum94375 ай бұрын
I put a sheet metal gasket below a 1 barrel and 2 barrel carb. Sawtooth around the perimeter, and a tab below down-side of the throttle plate, to take liquid fuel off of the sidewalls of the carb and manifold; and break it up, and pull it into the air flow. 2 mpg improvement and you already use a carb/manifold gasket.
@alexhise96813 күн бұрын
My girlfriend is jealous of Jon's intake runner.
@dennisschell55433 ай бұрын
Wow... 😲😎
@herbieschwartz92463 ай бұрын
Using a slow motion camera would have allowed us to see standing waves and other detriments to efficient flow.
@maddog96593 жыл бұрын
Seeing forst hand the effects of fuel separation helps to explain why port fuel injection is so much more efficient.
@vengeanceizmine98783 жыл бұрын
Efficient for gas mileage. Not for power.
@thedraftdoctor13 жыл бұрын
@@vengeanceizmine9878 facts
@V8Lenny3 жыл бұрын
@@vengeanceizmine9878 thats why every real race engine use carburators..
@vengeanceizmine98783 жыл бұрын
@@V8Lenny Yes, I know.
@garykarenmcgruther63866 ай бұрын
Actually all this happens in every type of fuel delivery you can think of. Look up F1 Renault engine dyno. That video shows everything like this but the injectors are above the throttle plates and bores. fuel sprays every where do to reversion. you can not escape reversion at all, individual port efi is awesome for individual cylinder tuning and thats it. the fuel injectors will never spray fuel and atomize like a carburetor does. proven fact.
@MrTablerunner28 жыл бұрын
lot of fuel seperation , makes me wonder when porters say they can eliminate this
@BOOT3 жыл бұрын
wet sticks to smooth but yah I imagine it'd still be wet if the intake was burr
@garykarenmcgruther63866 ай бұрын
@@BOOT no one ever stopped reversion and that when the ports get wet. no matter the finish.
@BOOT6 ай бұрын
@@garykarenmcgruther6386 Fuel drops out for a few reasons, finish can help it re-enter
@al_dente4777 Жыл бұрын
I think, Jon has invented a great parts washer. I does wonders on his grimy fingers. I hope, he's been using that manifold, after chowing down on every chicken bucket
@masterspin7796 Жыл бұрын
We did this on one of our Super Stock Hemi's but it was only the lid....after these engines make a few passes the C-25 racing fuel will leave stains just like a dye....
@garykarenmcgruther63866 ай бұрын
Follow the wave, its revesion not fuel going down then hitting, it happens after reverison starts.
@lovejago3 жыл бұрын
Killer video!!!!!! to me it seems to run up ok! But Looks like it might be running RICH!?!?!?. anyways love the video!!! 10 stars!!!
@jefflee33098 жыл бұрын
And what did we learn???
@lollipop848585 ай бұрын
He knows what he learnt because he had the hypothesis. Then he shared the cool video. It's up to you to test your own hypothesis like this. Kasse doesn't share his secrets for free.
@HR-rt9nh3 жыл бұрын
Gigiddy gigiddy......
@mrflamewars6 жыл бұрын
You cannot possibly still say carburetors are better than FI after seeing this. Even port FI doesn't piss fuel everywhere. How are they supposed to accurately control the A/F ratio with all that going on?
@frankieford76685 жыл бұрын
Until you actually get on the dyno and Naturally Aspirated...The "Old Carburetor" makes more Power Pull aftet Pull....🤔
@frankieford76685 жыл бұрын
@Kathleen Shaw Well Kathleen...A lot of guys like to reach into there car window...and start there street rods or hot rods...FI cant be beat in that respect...hot or cold , they light right off....But i have seen the carburetor edge out the fuel injection on the dyno....not a crazy amount...usally 8 to 15hp...but thats using the same manifold...
@kickassneilum4 жыл бұрын
Ive yet to see a carbed motor of the same spec make power nearly as efficient and consistent. FI will make the same numbers pull after pull where a carb will start loading up when things get hot
@frankieford76684 жыл бұрын
@@kickassneilum I agree to a point...you take an LS or 5.0 motor ...with an FI specific manifold....(long Runner)...Factory style....that will out power a run of the mill ..Carburetor type manifold...especially in the torque department....Then take a 600hp windsor based small block with a Super Victor...with injection bungs...Run it with a good Pro-Systems carb ...jetted properly....And There she is...edging out the "same motor"..."Same intake"...at 7500 rpm...NA.. time after time... With boost...theres no comparison...FI wins every time...not even close....The Carburetor still has a place in this world....prob for a while...
@kickassneilum4 жыл бұрын
@@frankieford7668 you just stated the biggest downfall of the carb, jetting. Yeah of course you can make a motor run great in optimal settings on a stand or rollers but put the carb in extreme elevation or temperature changes and its going to fall on its face where the fuel injection is constantly correcting for temperature, mass air flow, mass air pressure, air fuel ratios and calculating in optimal ignition and fuel on the fly
@toomanyhobbies20113 жыл бұрын
Great description of why electronic fuel injection is so much more efficient than carburetion. Explains why modern little engines put out the same horsepower as big muscle car engines of the 70s.
@JC-gw3yo2 жыл бұрын
A person can see that the cylinder has to be filled with a wash of gasoline with a carburetor. No wonder why modern fuel injection engines last so much longer. I recently pulled the heads off a 3.0 Ford Taurus engine after 310,000 miles, and the cylinder taper was only .003". That amount of wear would have been more like after 50,000 miles with a carburetor
@al_dente4777 Жыл бұрын
Modern fuel injected engines also have their injectors placed as close as possible to their intake valves. Imagine the waste one would get, when owning a vehicle doomed with throttle body injection