Kalanluu's pp Record Broke osu!...

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0:23 -GN got his player title Champion Above Champions for his FC on Shotgun Symphony, not The Unforgiving (Thanks to Talentless Commenter)
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The 1k pp barrier has always been one of, if not the most historic barrier to break in osu!. It took 12 years just for the first 1k pp play to be set (thanks Vaxei), and it still remains one of the toughest challenges osu! has to offer. However, players have gotten to the level where 1k pp plays can be set with relative ease in comparison to before. In fact, with enough skill and the right skillset, players can set 1k pp plays much easier than before. Most 1k pp plays in osu! use doubletime. However, DT 1k pp plays in osu! are more oversaturated than you might think. There are barely any 1k pp plays that do not use doubletime. But traditions were meant to be broken. Recently, Kalanluu set the osu! standard pp record with a 1253 pp play on Because Maybe! pt. 3 with EZHTFL. Not only does this play break the norm of the osu pp meta, it breaks the game as a whole, forcing the newest pp rework to nerf flashlight. This play is crazy, crazier than it looks at first glance. Let's talk about it.
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@talentlesscommenter1329 Жыл бұрын

The Champion Above Champions label was given after -GN fced Shotgun Symphony, not Unforgiving fl.

@Remyria Жыл бұрын

that title is a meme

@MichaelEhrmantraut12 Жыл бұрын

@@Remyria no

@kironojr Жыл бұрын

@@Remyria no

@the.true.A Жыл бұрын

@@Remyria no

@Egray12 Жыл бұрын

@@Remyria no

@ceesh Жыл бұрын

get ready for every person ever to comment that champion above champions wasn't given to -GN for the unforgiving

@cauldy7044 Жыл бұрын

well… because it’s like common knowledge and isn’t very hard to find out on your own so it just shows poor research which will reflect on the rest of the video?

@silasnebulous4533 Жыл бұрын

@@cauldy7044 agreed

@100xstacks9 Жыл бұрын

Kalanluu has a point, but i think he doesn't realize how hard his plays are to other people. While it is 700 to him, i think 850+ is a fair number.

@kenneth7239 Жыл бұрын

he downplays his skill because hes really good at that mod combination

@Spectator9672 Жыл бұрын

True, I think his play should be worth 900, I believe he has a really really good memory, so he thinks his plays shouldn't be worth that much

@livium1297 Жыл бұрын

hes saying this in a system where the unforgiving is weighted as a 600pp play. hes keeping the scaling relatively consistent, with because maybe around 100-150pp harder than the unforgiving. in a system where the unforgiving is around 700 (which i and a lot of other fl players prefer), because maybe would be about 850-900, which sounds a lot better

@sihamhamda47 Жыл бұрын

@@livium1297 His Because Maybe EZHTFL play would be 893 pp in the next rework BTW

@tyboy158 Жыл бұрын

i'd say 900-950. that play is impressive

@machjik Жыл бұрын

as a person who's never played osu and has no idea what pp means, i could probably beat this Kalanluu guy by about 4 inches minimum.

@luvmyglocks Жыл бұрын

💀

@threadbreaker5851 Жыл бұрын

Kalanluu has the size over you

@SanzuRiver Жыл бұрын

Smoll

@waidi3242 Жыл бұрын

pp means perfomance points even tho i'm surry peppy knew the other meaning when he created the game xd

@thedonker526 Жыл бұрын

hahahahahhahaahhahahahahahhahahhah not funny

@kneshio Жыл бұрын

my boy kalanluu is way too humble holy

@sst3w Жыл бұрын

I feel like kalanluu is nerfing FL a bit too hard. Some of his points are valid but like the fact that a 30 second dt map can be worth as much as his play is insane to me. (Anyways great video and keep it up i love your vids)

@teovinokur9362 Жыл бұрын

a 30 second dt map can not be worth as much as his play since like 2017 lol

@noobsquire Жыл бұрын

Hashire sori yo Kaze no you ni Tsukimihara wo Padoru Padoru Hashire sori yo Kaze no you ni Tsukimihara wo Padoru Padoru

@sst3w Жыл бұрын

@@teovinokur9362 3 mod scores mainly but there are still a lot

@idontknowwhatusernametouse4067 Жыл бұрын

just because a map is short does not mean it's easy. There is only 1 30 second long 1k pp play, and most 1k pp play are on long maps.

@rmc8044 Жыл бұрын

@@teovinokur9362 haven't you seen padoru 3mod last diff?

@Yveci Жыл бұрын

We honestly need like a kalanluu interview or smth cuz i think everyone wants to know what goes on in his mind when he's setting these inhuman scores

@AxionX Жыл бұрын

Yes, I need to know what ever he is smoking to underrate the value of his plays by so much

@krecony Жыл бұрын

It's nice to see you having sponsors now. You totally deserve some money for these great videos

@josiper6662 Жыл бұрын

I'd like to draw some comparisons to playing the piano. As a person who has played 30~40 minute long Beethoven sonatas (without sheet music), memorization isn't actually too difficult. Granted, memorization in osu is vastly different from the piano, as you need to memorize position on a 2 dimensional Cartesian coordinate system. However, on the piano, you must memorize changes in tempo, dynamics, accents, intonation etc. Therefore, while different, both have their respective challenges. This leads me to my conclusion. It's all to do with a difference in player culture. While on the piano, it is standard practice to work on a select few pieces for dozens of hours. While on osu, most people tend to sight-read, or do very little practice on a single map. This is of course, without a doubt, because osu is a game where people want to have fun and explore as many maps as possible. While on the piano, perfection on a piece is considered imperative if you were to take it seriously. Now, this isn't to say that Kalanlou's plays are any less impressive, but it does lead me to believe that it is overweighted. I have no doubts that there are many others who could also memorize marathon maps, given plentiful practice. But then again - would you want to?

@5ccme798 Жыл бұрын

Lol people think I'm a child prodigy by memorizing the capital, location and flag of every country; it was not that hard at all I just needed to have patience

@witmilk6527 Жыл бұрын

He says it is overweighted And yet There are so many pp hunters out there But no one with scores like his Taking only one person into consideration for completely nerfing it is not a reasonable thought If it's overweighted it'll first need to get proven by having the 1k pp club be as filled with ezhdfl records as it's filled with hddt, the same goes for hdhr Justice for ezhtfl and hdhr!

@hurrikate Жыл бұрын

The Champion Above Champions medal was actually given to him for being the first hidden FC on Notch Hell

@gh0sty5 Жыл бұрын

no it was given to him after his stream comp fl fc

@z3df402 Жыл бұрын

cheeto

@_UberEats_ Жыл бұрын

@@gh0sty5 shotgun symphony

@xd3athclawx554 Жыл бұрын

it was actually given to him after SSing the tutorial with HDHRDTFLPF

@silasnebulous4533 Жыл бұрын

Nah it was given to him for his United +HDHR FC

@illuwu Жыл бұрын

EZ makes the game easier. the problem with it, is that it has a very high skill floor. Flashlight with low AR is significantly easier than high AR (once again, minus the learning curve). however, he's simply just wrong about longer maps. they take much more consistency and much more memorization to play. that is the reason the length bonus is so high. You can't fc them in the same amount of tries without FL, it's literally not possible. With that being said, FL sight-reading is a thing, and I've seen some FL players fc lower star (4-5*) maps in just a few attempts. but they wouldn't be able to keep that consistency for an hour long sight-read. -GN and Kalanluu deserve 1k for The Unforgiving. Kalanluu deserves around 800+ for Because Maybe.

@jaylin0 Жыл бұрын

HDFL on low AR is harder than HDFL on higher AR. FL only on low AR is easier than FL only on higher AR. Basically my point is that HDFL needs to be buffed because most players can’t see the difference between FL only and HDFL and HDFL makes FL significantly harder

@illuwu Жыл бұрын

@@jaylin0 didnt they just buff HDFL like 7 months ago with the pp rework?

@4hedron852 Жыл бұрын

@@illuwu That was over 9 months ago dude

@Loxu69 Жыл бұрын

EZ almost never makes the game easier, this is a rare instance where if you have the reading ability, it can make flashlight easier. However the mod combination EZFLHD is almost impossible to read. I agree I think he's wrong about longer maps, he's not completely off but if you don't reward longer maps more there'd be no reason to play them.

@jaylin0 Жыл бұрын

@@Loxu69 EZ makes it easier for me lol i can hit 200bpm streams with normal spacing on EZHD but not nomod

@rokadee7603 Жыл бұрын

Welp we can't measure that stuff until more players has a playstyle like him

@lamp88 Жыл бұрын

it's great that you're documenting this

@luserlain Жыл бұрын

you always made my day and great contents man , love it

@SIPHONHarapeco Жыл бұрын

when n3rd told me to see it for myself to believe it I checked to see how long the video was out of fear 💀

@rosenbergkk Жыл бұрын

Sick thumbnail, definitely pulled me In with that. Btw Love BM1,2,3

@jglf Жыл бұрын

I completely agree with the EZFL nerf, lower AR makes flashlight so much easier. A while ago I was seeing people talking about differences between ar11 fl and low ar fl and people were saying there is no difference as it is still memorisation but as someone who has played flashlight a good amount it is so much harder with high AR. These ezhtfl plays are definitely overweighted at the moment

@bennebylund Жыл бұрын

great and informative video as always n3rd ^^ keep at it !

@ravins4786 Жыл бұрын

honestly 800 pp for the fl fc on because maybe and 1000 for the unforgiving, mostly because the unforgiving is almost double the length

@Spectator9672 Жыл бұрын

unforgiving is a lot slower but i guess

@talentlesscommenter1329 Жыл бұрын

Because Maybe EZHT is much harder than the unforgiving.

@fallenphoenix148 Жыл бұрын

Literally no one who actually plays fl agrees with your opinion

@Tg11 Жыл бұрын

New pp record and it’s HT. I’m so proud ♥️

@soygaming69 Жыл бұрын

i think the proposed nerfs on the length of a beatmap with flashlight seem too harsh, im not sure why he feels the need to not take into account the MASSIVE amount of practice that some of these plays can take to actually perform. like sure, maybe it’s not hard to actually do it once you’ve put the practice in but there aren’t many people who have the mental fortitude to dedicate themselves to those plays, hence why they reward a lot more pp

@anonymoustaco8959 Жыл бұрын

Tbh the reason all the 1k pp scores are set with DT is because of the lack of nm maps at that star rating, like NM farm maps cap out at like 500pp, before u have to start farming crazy streams and jumps are worthless, it’s not the fault of anyone but the lack of egregious nm farm maps

@ciel448 Жыл бұрын

or the fact is that nm maps are harder and dt maps are overweighted

@rekunan Жыл бұрын

@@ciel448 weird way to say that there are 50 billion 6* maps and barely any nomod/hr 1k maps

@natelytleroblox Жыл бұрын

@@rekunan weird way to say sqrt(distance)/time

@rekunan Жыл бұрын

@@natelytleroblox TRUE

@nimi5570 Жыл бұрын

i hate ads that long but thank you for at least including a countdown for when the ad ends if nothign else

@noskillnokill_7371 Жыл бұрын

Learning a map with flashlight is the same as people learning any other skill set. Its a skill set that needs to be learned. And both take time

@shinejnn2 Жыл бұрын

This is definitely worth 1000pp, fl ain't playing around especially getting such high combo will only decrease the view point of the approach light. EZ ain't Easy! HT is not either!

@knuffkirby5093 Жыл бұрын

EZ and HT arent easy TO LEARN. Sure it takes a lot of dedication. But as soon as you master it, and those are 5*s without FL, you can play it well. I believe the same score without FL wouldnt even be worth 300pp. But FL becomes even easier when you have low AR therefore it defo be nerfed imo Edit: And FL radius only decreases to its max at 200 combo, after that it stays the same

@shinejnn2 Жыл бұрын

@@knuffkirby5093 Okay good point, but consider this. tbh I kinda disagree, that putting EZ into the weak mod spot, yeah true, when you master it you will play much better, but when you think about it, even the beginner of osu players can't even get started to easily play with, even myself at first go play other mods more often instead. Cause EZ is just not Easy to get into. And then the standard FL mod is pretty underwhelming for the pp system, it gives out too little than expected, sometimes it feels lot worth to play other mods instead, like DTHD's pp, FL will be way out of bound If it's even nerded. Like is there any reason to want to play FL when other mod give out better pp. HT is fine, on longer map it will only make it even longer, no it will not only make the map easier, that's one part that's still difficult, you will need more stamina and strength to be able handle that even long length, not everybody can handle too long of a time range. PP gives more only encourage more people to try it, so Therefore I think it's definitely worth at least 1000pp. (btw oh, I didn't know about the FL 200 combo max thingy, good to know)

@soapchin Жыл бұрын

the same thing happens in osu!ctb, ezfl farming is so busted

@kiwiezi Жыл бұрын

The video is 2 times+ shorter than the play that’s how insane it is

@suharb5014 Жыл бұрын

2:20 pp system is not biased toward dt. But it's easier to set 1k on dt because there is literally thousands of 6* jumps maps that become 9* after dt. Now look at how many 9* maps are ranked and how many of them are actually farmable. Most of them are tech maps or high quality shitposts(conceptual maps). Only happy song looks somewhat 1k whitecatable(patterns are still not very simple). Maybe some stream maps but they tend to have really hard stream shapes or 1/4 sliderspam on 240+ bpm. It's not about dt being overrated but mappers who dont map 9* farm maps. Or rather, there is not a lot of songs that are 250-280 bpm and also simple enough to be mapped as a farm map.

@HardnerPL Жыл бұрын

I'd say it's not biased toward DT but High BPM. Even if there is so many 6* jump maps, there are also some ~9-10* no mod maps, but there's close to no such high level plays on them. I mean, the ratio of non-DT top plays to non-DT top maps, seems to be much lower than DT top plays to DT maps - there's less non-DT plays than you would expect to see if they were equally as difficult. I think a combination of high BPM jumps is just overweighted compared to lower BPM stuff. I also feel like this from personal experience. I'm a no mod player. I can't read AR10. Yet, I can get pp much easier from HDDT maps. Getting a ~200pp play on the easiest DT farm map I know is similar difficulty to me as getting ~150pp on the easiest no mod farm map I know.

@suharb5014 Жыл бұрын

@NoelTree - osu! difficulity of dt 9* compared to most of nm 9*. 9* is just where most of 1k pp dt scores are, there is some that on lower sr, but thats usually lenght buff (like FrE compilation II - 6 minute marathon after dt). Same thing with said destroyer which is also 6 minute marathon but on nm

@enjimere9742 Жыл бұрын

The problem is that you literally used the word "farmable". what does that mean? it means that the pp system is biased towards it, so you can "farm" it to gain pp easier than playing other maps. I've said this over and over, in an ideal pp system you CAN farm those 9 star tech maps as long as you're good at them.

@Voo9999 Жыл бұрын

Congrats on getting a sponsorship! :D

@infamoussquire2955 Жыл бұрын

Off topic a little, but a more detailed leaderboard system might help the game too. would be cool to see weekly/monthly/permanent top scores for maps and your position in them. would give the game a unique level of playability as well as inspire new and upcoming players to try their best to get recognized even on a shorter term scale. thoughts?

@Loxu69 Жыл бұрын

I will say in regards to the low AR FL nerf, it makes it "easier" to read without HD but with HD I'd imagine low AR flashlight is nearly impossible. I really hope the rework takes that into account but based on osu's track record I don't think they thought of that

@MBmasher Жыл бұрын

i did think of that thank you very much

@Loxu69 Жыл бұрын

@@MBmasher Great! I didn't mean to come off as rude its just a genuine concern but I do understand nothing is gonna be perfect.

@meerzy1662 Жыл бұрын

I think htfl is overweight because ht only increases length and not how many objects you have to memorize, so essentially the difficulty is easier since you are still memorizing the same things but just slower. So fl shouldn’t scale with length but with strain?

@MBmasher Жыл бұрын

that is not how it works

@meerzy1662 Жыл бұрын

@@MBmasher yea I don't really know what I'm talking about

@flora2155 Жыл бұрын

I had a chat with him, he said that it took him 2 months to practice because maybe part 3

@Sasha_.. Жыл бұрын

grats on sponser

@alu1094 Жыл бұрын

Lets go new nerdiness video

@vaxibtw6372 Жыл бұрын

he uses two difficulty reduction mods and set pp record (and missed twice)

@JaySk8n Жыл бұрын

this is exactly why he thinks FL is overweighted lol

@Flauxchiqes Жыл бұрын

wonderful video, loved it :)

@wouterpop1 Жыл бұрын

kalanluu being a bit humble imo

@devaliant7969 Жыл бұрын

there is so many DT scores not only because pp discrimination, its also that there isnt as much NM 9*+ maps that aren't tech or something, meanwhile DT can make any ~6* map (which there is a LOT) 9*+ thus a 1k potential map

@enjimere9742 Жыл бұрын

In an ideal pp system you CAN gain pp from 9 star tech maps. You would be able to gain pp from any type of map as long as you're good at the skillset.

@miguelmella Жыл бұрын

This is the scariest fucking thing I have seen since aetrna's Ascension to Heaven

@equinism. Жыл бұрын

5:37, those are squares but with EZ, its so fucked because it shows all of them and it looks like a circle but its actually decently easy to hit

@kironojr Жыл бұрын

FL is my favorite mod since i can't do speed in osu! and i like memory than speed kalanluu Because maybe FC should be 860-950pp

@fuyutsukirai Жыл бұрын

salute to this guy on actually thinking his play is "only" worth 700pp. boi doesn't realize how ridiculous those plays are. I'd say 850 is the fair minimum for that because maybe score.

@charmmosu Жыл бұрын

I just started to learn flashlight, and I fully agree with kalanluu about flashlight pp, so, I think that play like this should give around 700 o 760 pp

@tripleshotbot_ Жыл бұрын

5:03 'thankfuly he missed, other wise it would of been 1.3k, which would of give us all a goddam heart attack' 2-3 months later: mrekk and aetrna get a 1.3k pp play

@rekunan Жыл бұрын

Good job on asking kalanluu for his fl pp thoughts, but why not ask any of the pp devs? There's even a 3 digit flashlight player as one of them (MBmasher). It would be good to showcase some of their views/takes/reasoning on fl pp alongside kalanluu's, or even the other stuff you talked about: length bonus being overweight, why there are barely any non-dt 1k's (it's not a problem with the pp system), etc If you need an invite to the pp dev server, here you go (youtube is not liking links so here's the code instead): aqPCnXu

@natelytleroblox Жыл бұрын

omg rekunan !!

@rekunan Жыл бұрын

omg natelytle !!

@maidkedi Жыл бұрын

Babe wake up new n3rdiness video just dropped.

@ThangNguyen-zn6em Жыл бұрын

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@jerryy147 Жыл бұрын

2:36 a lot of the 1k pp plays have one thing in common. set by mrekk

@piersonm5574 Жыл бұрын

just noticed the creepy music and now i can't take this video seriously

@febews48percent45 Жыл бұрын

Mabye flashlight pp bonus could be based on total distance of objects? Probably would help with bursts.

@nihildwo4874 Жыл бұрын

ye i was thinking of something like "dark time" - how much time is spent with the follow up circle being invisible when it is played by auto. that way, bursts will not get boosted by flashlight length bonus because you do not need "memorization" for bursts as you see them.

@mirofw Жыл бұрын

Finally people from finland does something big in osu and kalanluu is fishbone in english

@TastyChickenHam Жыл бұрын

bro the bgm music is giving me nightmares, it’s FL mod as well 💀💀

@nomoreowo5808 Жыл бұрын

5:40 are your trying to kill me…

@rahhhhh730 Жыл бұрын

Babe wake up new neediness video

@Genjink Жыл бұрын

I wonder how funny it is still to outsiders when "pp" is used in any sentence about any osu game mode (or beat saber since that also uses pp as a thing)

@Genjink Жыл бұрын

Damn everyone got telegram bots now

@unknownceres5714 Жыл бұрын

the game's scoring systems have always been broken

@Hemimana Жыл бұрын

And nows kt09’s turn

@Kibitz Жыл бұрын

I'm early but just wanna say your documentaries are very inspiring and makes me wanna make more too. Thanks for all you do :)

@Kibitz Жыл бұрын

@RhythmicRil hi :)

@revokeww1465 Жыл бұрын

hi kibitz

@Kibitz Жыл бұрын

@@revokeww1465 why you all stalking me

@revokeww1465 Жыл бұрын

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@zynexy8572 Жыл бұрын

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@ashura_amane8499 Жыл бұрын

If u dont play this combination of mods looks unveliable set a score like this. I agree that the pp system should reward more the skill you need "during each play" instead of memorization, but still for me looks insane that someone CAN remember so much.

@aidxchaoo Жыл бұрын

A month later, and the rework is being done, reducing Kalanluu's record 1253 pp (previous pp record) to 867 pp (idk what pp rank is this but yeah it's about like rank 200+ or something?)

@5ccme798 Жыл бұрын

Yoooo congrats man

@amadeuszx892 Жыл бұрын

babe wake up n3rdiness posted a new video

@koishisen Жыл бұрын

I can see a good future for your channel bro, keep it up!

@olgierd2001 Жыл бұрын

still waiting for nomod 1k pp

@Akiorinn Жыл бұрын

This been haunting me since forever, i really dead curious about.. does -GN actually a guy who make that mario a nintendo game!???

@ballsmaster6937 Жыл бұрын

this has to be the coolest pp record the game has ever seen

@killerpaja03 Жыл бұрын

badeu c type is cool as well

@user-beerus Жыл бұрын

@@killerpaja03 not really

@fallenphoenix148 Жыл бұрын

No it's not the coolest and it won't be the pp record soon

@R0gr3 Жыл бұрын

Your videos are so cool I swear

@gamoxu Жыл бұрын

Id say the play should be around the low to mid 800s

@wijo605 Жыл бұрын

as an etterna player I still don't understand why there aren't skillsets......

@sippicuppi Жыл бұрын

my g got a sponsor

@clxssizeu879 Жыл бұрын

yo what is the website called for the new pp reword system ? btw good Video

@KeenZorse Жыл бұрын

now it is less than 900pp

@alatreon7451 Жыл бұрын

I can’t believe it’s not even an FC though

@bruhplayer28 Жыл бұрын

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@cosplaysuwu Жыл бұрын

in my honest opinion, i think PP should be based off raw difficulty and values. How difficult a map is should give more PP than an easier map pertaining to a niche skillset. Also I think that when it comes to length bonus, it should get removed and replaced with combo bonus. Combo bonus is much more concrete and the values wouldnt change according to whichever mod you play unlike length bonus which scales based off you playing it nomod, halftime, or doubletime.

@kingoverlorder2094 Жыл бұрын

@@vamburker5950 bruh every osu argument about which player is better end up like 10 times longer than this 💀

@cosplaysuwu Жыл бұрын

@@vamburker5950 🤓

@DajjalDariSurga Жыл бұрын

i wont even last 5 sec playing this

@societytrash7865 Жыл бұрын

I disagree with the nerf I know how from his perspective he thinks the pp system should reward people with more skill instead of memorizing and practice, but I think memorizing and practice shouldn't be devalued either since it actually takes time and effort to accomplish whereas skill can often come from talent like mrekk who had set plays players can only dream of with his amazing talent, things that people can't achieve on their lifetime is literally accomplished by him everyday, I just feel like hard work shouldn't be devalued at all, as it actually takes an eefort it where talent is just luck based sometimes, just be proud of the play and accept the reward as it is well deserved

@Cleanse_ Жыл бұрын

1300pp is the new 900pp, no one can get one until one day mrekk or something decides to go 3 mod mode

@peaceful_rhythm Жыл бұрын

It may overweighted for now but 750 is way too low imo. Memorizing something is not that easy.. and when it goes a map with more than 3 mins..

@zihaa8227 Жыл бұрын

what site is that at 2:40 ?

@karlbjorn1831 Жыл бұрын

we are all winners

@jaylin0 Жыл бұрын

@sussybakaxd5195 Жыл бұрын

It shouldnt be 1.2k or even more but they still Should get rewarded for memorizing so much, so maybe Around 1k for an SS- which was before Around 1.3k

@DaWalkie Жыл бұрын

I know a guy who beat this guy in a dota 1v1 once

@choclitcake6622 Жыл бұрын

wait wtf 44k views in 12 hours for an osu video??!! this must be an exceptionally well made video. will watch and sub !

@choclitcake6622 Жыл бұрын

oh i already am subbed

@Toxic664 Жыл бұрын

840~ for because maybe (890 for fc) and low 900 for unforgiving imo everything kalanluu said is true, but i would argue that ez makes fl way too easy for such broken pp values

@ZarZrak Жыл бұрын

because maybe is a higher star rating with htez than unforgiving. and at least to me, just looking at the aim and tapping during both plays (even ingoring FL) because maybe is more challenging.

@kei3596 Жыл бұрын

Ok like i get it right... But! I still believe that the crazy amount of time and patience and memorisation it takes to play with FL should be rewarded, especially if you add in EZ and HT to make things even more challenging for an average player. Not everyone can do that. The people who invest that much of their energy into memorising a 10+ minutes map definitely deserve a lot of PP. Honestly, i wouldn't mind them getting 1300pp for it lol

@zqj001 Жыл бұрын

part of me feels like kalanluu is saying 700 for because maybe so he can lose a huge amount of ranks to stay deep within 4 digit

@frankdank1663 Жыл бұрын

next thing you know he fc's the unforgiving ezhtfl

@koya-l4v Жыл бұрын

I'd say 900-950 for an FC considering everything he said, 750 is just downplaying his own skill set. It's like someone with infinite stamina downplaying a 250 bpm 15 minute stream map and saying it's the same as a 1 minute 250 bpm stream map, it just takes 14 minutes longer.

@_March_7th_ Жыл бұрын

bpm*

@dexorne9753 Жыл бұрын

Yeah I feel the same

@Attewir Жыл бұрын

imo The problem with PP comes from it's nature, it's trying to make two completely different plays comparable It'd make more sense to have different ranking systems for different playstyles, and perhaps an overall ranking system that measures your horizontal skill rather than your single highest peak Even just weighing different metrics separately would go a long way, allowing players to set multiple 100% weight plays through a wider skillset But this would change the game fundamentally, but to not change it is to accept PP will never work as a measurement of a players skill. PP is a great system that gives players goals and socializes the game, but it was never supposed to accurately reveal which mod or ability takes the most effort to master

@gibusosu9304 Жыл бұрын

This is highly accurate I think. There's probably not any possible way to make a system to represent skill and difference in skills accurately. Maybe for specific skill sets like DT jumps as it seems to be right now but not for two completely different ones (like low AR, technical, etc.)