I disagree. This case shouldn't have come to trial. There was no chain of evidence so none of it should have come in. The Grand Jury was lied to by the accident reconstruction gremlin. His stuff shouldn't come in. I have never seen such intentional incompetence ...😢

From idaho, IF YOU ALL DID A SHOW TOGETHER EVERY NIGHT YOU WOULD HAVE SO MANY FOLLOWERS. PEOPLE WANT TO HEAR CONTENT LIKE THIS ON EVERY CASE POSSIBLE!

Wonderful show tonight. I love Andrea and Mark. Great analysis by all.

What a level headed powerful yet down to earth group ❤

Andrea is the best. I found this channel because of her streams. This panel was amazing

Agree with Andrea regarding the jury instructions, I got the couple of the higher charges- but I was lost with the DUI charges and felt they spent too much time on those.

A jury doesn't understand reasonable doubt. That's the issue.

Andrea is the new standard of trial analysis online

So sad I took a nap and missed this … replay crew is better than nothing … 😊

Following from England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Love Andrea and Mark 💗💗💗💗💗💗

Andrea and Mark, brilliant as always! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

I could listen to Mark and Andrea all day long. I love when they get into the weeds haha.

Andrea Burkhart is BRILLIANT! Just saying, she always makes me think.

Terrific show tonight…….great panel…..Andrea is wonderful to listen to……

Listening to Andrea Burkhart and Mark Bederow, it makes me wish I had a law degree! Great panel. Thank you all for showing up. The general consensus seems to be Karen Read should be acquitted: "beyond a reasonable doubt".

Great panel,find it first time now-wow❤ 🎉

ANDREA AND MARK NEED THEIR OWN SHOW THEN MM, BB AND YOUNG JURKS!

This was such a nice panel, I really enjoyed the discussion and bouncing ideas from everyone! TY it was a fun one and I desperately needed this discussion before the Karen Read case tomorrow!

I've been following this case since the beginning from IDAHO #FKR

The thrown glass theory is what cemented her innocence for me. I thought "Oh! He threw the glass.. it shattered... BA & Colin or Higgins confronted John, Chloe got involved, and sh*t went sideways."

Dang it! I forgot this panel was happening but I’m so stoked to watch! Brandi + Mark + Will (The Glarer) was a dream come true but now you have Mike and Andrea, too?! I’ve really come to appreciate Andrea’s commentary and insight covering this case from what I’ve seen of her repeatedly in Aussie Insider’s videos - I had to subscribe to her right away! She is incredibly smart and explains herself clearly. AND she’s a boxer?!? What a woman! 🤙🏽👑

I could listen to Andrea and Mark musing about the law together all day long!

Imo they can't find her guilty of 'anything', because they haven't definitely proven anything. The only actual 'evidence' is a he said/she said situation.

My friend was on a jury in Mass last summer and they were hung and sent back 2 times and it ended up being a “not guilty” so let’s keep positive.

I’m from WA, I have no reason to like or dislike Karen or anyone else. I give cops benefit of doubt until I can’t. I have seen not one good argument for her guilt.

Just discovered the channel recently. Replay crew here. Great show loved the guests.

I got home late last night & missed the live 😢but watched earlier this morning. Panel was Amazing! It’s cool to have the best of KZfaq in one place ❤ Thanks!

Justice for JO and his family ❤

If this was anywhere other than America, it either doesn't go to trial or there is a not guilty verdict within hours.

Damn! Andrea nails it! When you haven't paid attention to every single moment = things are easy to miss! And if the jury can't refer back to their notes, then how can the jury come to a solid decision? Andrea starts on this at 33:19

I am with the minority that Andrea is too ..If I was Karen..I would have testified.!!! If you are innocent you have NOTHING to lose. Especially when the demeanour is rather chilled and showing no grief 💯

Andrea 😁 how about Sandra Bullock!!!

Great Panel!

Are there some trials I can watch Mark Bederow handled, Ild love to see him in action! Wonderful panel

Fried green tomatoes are amazing

This goes to what Mark was saying about Karen not testifying and disagreeing with Andrea…… I agree with Mark and also when he mentioned how they were rushing Karen out and away from the cameras more towards the end of trial when we were waiting for a verdict, I think it was because of something she said when she was walking to the car the day the 2 defense experts testified(The Crash Daddies). There was a cameraman who asked her something like, how she was feeling after those experts testified and she said, “Great, they proved I didn’t hit THAT BODY”. I believe in Karen’s innocence and have been praying for her, but when she made that statement about “that body”, instead of saying John, I have to admit it made me feel some type of way……meaning, it kind of bothered me. Now, does that mean I think she’s guilty, NO! However, it’s one reason why I agree with Mark and say she shouldn’t testify! 🤷🏽‍♀️

Amazing panel!!!

Great show! and I love the comment that Brian Albert didn't have whisky? Another thought Brian Higgins gave Brian Albert a ride back from New York and Brian Albert wouldn't offer him a whisky? That doesn't make sense. Its obvious John knew Brian Albert but he was not friends because if he was he would have known where he lived given Canton is not a big town!

I rewatching thanks prayers for Karen

Hi Baker! 🙋🏻‍♂️ I don't know what you did but fortunately you got it solved with the audio issue!!! Thank you so very much!!! 🤓🤗

I wonder if the jurors can’t remember why the video was inverted

Mad I missed this bc my stupid notifications never notify me. Excellent panel! I couldn’t find anything on vielhammer media about this case. Please someone post the direct link.

Concerned conflict begets catastrophic chaos!

Trial 2 is coming ! I can’t wait!

A question I've never seen posed; how do we know Karen dropped John off at the Alberts? She said initially she last saw him at The Waterfall, but Jen said no u were at the house. I mean, people supposedly saw Karen's car when she was already back at Johns house, so how do we know.

We need professionally trained jurors.

I did not view the glass thrown as a theory. I think the reconstructionists had this idea and testing it, they found it was one way they could replicate the damage to the tail light. However, the damage could be replicated in many different ways e.g. a baseball wielding person hitting the tail light.

I really luv Vallalias beard colors, lovely! ;)

If Karen found NG, DA will try to blame Auntie Bev for not delaying the trial.

Yes the goal was to confuse the jury but why the hell did they introduce the tail light evidence in the closing yet we never saw one photo like this throughout the whole trial? The dam, smoking gun at the very end. In fact, both did that, and neither interrogated Sergeant Barros about his observations of the taillight in question. The defence could’ve benefited from this, but they didn’t. Why why? Why why?

I think Proctor threw the glass to break the taillight. The glass on the bumper didn’t match

Yes the goal was to confuse the jury but why the hell did they introduce the tail white fairy at the end and we never saw one photo like this throughout the whole trial

Lally had a family tree of timelines: could have gone this way..Or that way!

Why does nobody talk about the reasonable question a jury might have namely "why kill someone and put him on your own frontlawn?" I cannot wrap my head around why tbe defense did not explain it to the jury that John HAD to be put out there?? And...no word was said about the blood John MUST have lost... where is it? where can it only be....no word... Unbelievable

I’ll sorry, but shifting the burden of proof is NOT a “fine distinction.” If a jury doesn’t understand that all-important essential non negotiable concept, they aren’t capable of doing their job.

Tim Conway for Lally

Ohhh I really want Andrea and Melanie to meet! Ladies panel someday? Plus the baker and goat herder?

Could some of this be left of the table per doj/fbi for their case in cheif?

#Tallight is the smoking gun. How was the closing botched so bad??????????

I'm def Free Karen Read, but one thing that's bugging me is why John's phone went cold so early. There doesn't seem to be any explanation about that. Otherwise, great panel.

Who gave baker bad fried green tomatoes?!? 😤😂

Everything is convoluted by design, I believe

Where are the jurors from Canton?

Just like every motions, questions and evidences that the defense team presented in pre trial hearing's, and the Judge denied or delayed, i think that she have intentionally been doing everything she can to help Lally and hurt the defense team...i wonder when she decided that the closing arguments would be restricted to 1 hour, because we have all been seeing her disrespect for the defense team..😢

How do you retry this case in this are with os many poeple for Karen. If I'm the defense I would want it retried in this area

Is the story that JOK was drinking out of a cocktail glass?? As in, they claim he took it from the bar? I don't know what bars they're drinking at, but you can't usually just take the drinks home with you (unless you're in Vegas) even if you're a cop. You also can't have an open glass of liquor in a car, like wtf?? If I have the story wrong, sorry. Otherwise, it makes more sense if he went inside and got a drink. Also, the gall of all of the cops and their family and friends to accuse KR of a DUI, while openly admitting to drinking and driving that night, while none of them can even remember if she was even drunk.

Love the panel. But it’s crazy, I’m all in, watched every day, and my husband has no clue what is going on and he checks all mainstream media every day. He doesn’t KZfaq or Twitter, or Facebook, but this may be only relevant if your cookies guide you, lol. Only commenting this due to mistrial possibility. We are also in Florida, but I’m amazed that he has no clue about this case even here.

Just finished watching the live stream what the name of the content maker who did videos I’ve multiple sclerosis cog fog is real

This goes for the defense too. Why introduce the smoking gun in the closing. Both failed on this account. Surely they could have done better.

Any demonstrative should be better than grade 6 drawings.

I’m not so sure Dr Michael Bader can’t be bought he pops up at the most opertune moments if anyone remembers the Binion murder in Vegas, uugh. ;)

Why in the 911 call did Jen Mcabe say the turned the body over and then Kerry and Karen both were laying on Jon??

Cant even prove a car accident!!!!!!!!

Defense could have put up a timeline. they failed horribly here.

hey did u watch me on Omar the tilted lawyers live from Monday? its a unique backstory

Could he have kicked the taillight? The shoe came off, he slips and falls?

Does she have her vehicle back yet?

I am glad Karen didn't testify, although if i was on trial especially if i was innocent i would want to have my say. Unfortunately i don't think she would be a sympathetic character, even though she's a beautiful woman she comes across as quite haughty and cold, in other interviews I've seen she doesn't come across as likeable. I'm not having a dig at her at all, i have the same problem (minus being beautiful 😂) I was the main witness in an elderly abuse trial that went to court 3 times, i was attacked by the defence for my cool calm demeanour, and was also told off by the prosecution barristers (who were on my 'side') for being unlikeable and having a face people just don't like 🤷‍♀️ i would be afraid Karen would give the same impression.

Btw, don't judge all of MA based on Canton. I grew up in Western Mass (kinda near Vermont actually). I haven't lived there in many years, but it was very very different than Boston or those surrounding areas. Where I lived it was just forest and hippies. Not cop loving at all. No place is perfect, but many states vary a lot from place to place. (California is a great example of this-- highest amount of KKK in the US, and also the bluest state, go figure.)

Who is Woody?

Really, you only needed Mark, yourself, and Andrea on this panel Baker. Others were superfluous...IN...Trin...Sic.

Lally is so incredibly bad at examining witnesses that I don't see how karen could hurt herself by testifying.

The most random intro…

Intro is too long, and too loud.

Does Brandie have ADHD? She throws them letters together real quick.

I don't believe that she's guilty but what I do believe the coppers in your town couldn't run a piss up in a brewery let alone a crime scene they all should be sacked

As soon as Andrea started speaking my eardrums nearly exploded... Why is she always so LOUD?!

She originally said she went home and fell asleep on the couch lied 53 text messages .Karen is guilty.John is the victim

This is so ridiculous. It took me three hours to cross reference the data from his Apple health, and the exhibits that were shown in court, and everything fits like a glove. I almost fell out of my chair. I felt like I was walking in his shoes she hit him going 8.9 mph at 12:31:04 AM he had left her vehicle eight seconds earlier while it was still rolling 2 to 3 mph. She stopped 2 feet south of the fire hydrant and he began walking. He took 18 steps and was 36 feet north of the fire hydrant when her car struck him. It’s slowed from 9.9 to 8.7 mph and then she continued accelerating and clipped the front end of the jeep plow on the driver side and in addition to that she continued after that because at that point she was going 23.6 mph and it would’ve required at least another 60 feet to stop she was going 35 ft./s at that point. He never made any contact with her tail light. It was a sideswipe, and as he was falling forward, the side mirror of her car must have clipped the back of his head. The reason her tail light was damaged, appears to be because she struck a plow light on the Jeep. That’s why there was Unidentified glass on her bumper.

I actually can never follow Brandi. Such jilted speech and logic.

I wonder if the jurors can’t remember why the video was inverted