Disappointed all of the video have a common theme. There are many other victims...... that look different not included in this list.

hei, what was that episode featured at the end of this video?

Teaching at a local college is a instructor not a professor.

@@gawd4582 00

Dear 48 Hours, What happened to the Live to Tell Series? I am looking for the Krystal Surles Courage full video and can't find it. They have several short one but the one you did on her full story was so inspiring and I would like to see it again and share it with my friends. She was such a brave young girl and has grown into a strong woman full of courage.

Correct...

I disagree. It is too simplistic to simply say "She knew right from wrong."

@@vissitorsteve no it’s not. This is an issue of moral competency. She knows the difference between right and wrong. This is how they’re able to convict even those who are mentally ill but guilty

i can't understand why she didn't tell her mother immediately what the dad was proposing. does this mean that his life was more valuable than her mother's in her eyes?🤔

I agree. She was just as responsible for her moms death as her crazy father.

yup.

Gotlandia Agree, something was very off in their relationship.

me too.

I feel like maybe they've had a sexual relationship at some point

@@nicolekear3911 i feel like too...

It could have been worst.

@@5cabron2what could have been worse? If they all had been killed than at least they would have been "innocent" but like this? Knowing they plotted this? That is incredibly terrible!

​@@5cabron2exactly it could of been worse even though this is seriously bad it could have been worse

@@5cabron2 😊Ppd😊plp

No, she didn't... She still has one more sister.

She’s a sociopath…

Yeah, it is rough to hear. Cringe ! But by the end I'm crying for her mom and Karrie & her sisters. This stuff never bothers me anymore. I know Lloyd is handwashing his boyfriend's boxers and other wifey things now though. So yay! Michelle! Lloyd Suck...

Omg it really is 😭🤮

Explain how she is responsible?

​@@austinvolzke8026 😅

​@@austinvolzke8026 Uuuhhh...WHAT?!?

@@austinvolzke8026 didn't you hear the phone calls between her and her dad that the cops were tapped into? She didn't give a damn and she helped him. Please don't be fooled by the killers cries.

Obviously selfish narcissistic. The value of money was greater than life. Sad because the other two kids have no mother or father. There’s no love for those kids

Waoo, sure he didn't

Wait you contemplate k1lling PPL u ate? That's unfortunate

Yeah but were you paying 6000 a week for child support?

@alienprepper5918 if you don't wanna pay child support, win custody, fight tooth n nail for your kids. Or pay what you have to pay, the end of the day children are not pawns in people's divorce games, they're not weapons and shouldn't be used as such.

👍 exactly!! I was sayin’ they made a deal with the devil.

Isn't it nice that everything is either black or white? Hope you never get to know that there is a lot of shades inbetween.

Perhaps the dad was going to split the life inumo sy with her.

​@@CologneCarterthis WAS black and white! Wth are you talking about?

She should have because he told her that the motive was money!!!

That daughter was a victim of brainwashing and narcissism...and is more complicated than "black and white" thinking. But yes, she made the action after all shes been put through .....I feel for her.

The daughter was manipulatively abused by someone who is supposed to love her the most. Year after year during her developmental stages, she had a parent who little by little taught her that he was right, he was safe, that her mom was the enemy. It’s all his fault, not hers. When you’re in your early 20s and still dependent on your parents, you trust them. And even though there are red flags, you choose to trust them because you love them. And you love them because they are supposed to be loving you, and most of the time they appear to be loving you. As someone who has been abused and manipulated (but have been out of that situation for going on 6 years now), it still hurts when I hear the question “why did you stay with him?” We can’t keep placing blame on the victim. The abuser is crafty, is smart. They know exactly how to manipulate and brainwash at just the right pace and with just the right words and when you are at your most vulnerable. They’re sociopathic pariahs. All of their actions are self-motivated and self-serving. This poor girl. She has been hurt for so long and has lost so much. May the Lord bless her life.

that's true...cold sociopath in the making.

Agree. I would not trust her ever again, especially after the conversation on the phone with her father. She was into it. Nobody could have turned me against my mother or father. I would have shared with someone. I would have sat down both with me or, if I feared they would attack each other, talked to a doctor about my fear.

She was locked up, but I think she only got 3 years, and only served one. Not justice.

@@willerling6960 oh Lord... catfish from Nigeria

she fooled the cops , smh

He was a psychopath...plain and simple. A psychopath father can damage a daughter in ways that are hard to imagine or comprehend.

my guess her whole life he wpuld talk bad about her and alienate the kids from her. that was many years in the works.

I disagree. She was clearly under extreme trauma and terrified to go against this man for her own safety

Exactly

@@carolinelaronda4523 always excuses...this is what is wrong with the world. The girl knew damn well what she was doing period

i have no sympathy for her either; people like her make me sick. i would do anything to have my mom back and you have people like her killing theirs. smdh🤬🤬

Parent alienation is horrible. My husband did the same thing by mentally abusing me while doing everything positive for my daughter, purchasing her very expensive gifts, taking her to fun places while I worked or in bed from depression. Yes, she needed to pay a longer price but she most definitely needs extensive mental therapy. It could lead her to always feel in back of mind that is okay to live out the same pattern with others.

daughters learn from their dad's and are in competition with mother from such a young age. even if their dad's ain't there, they will blame their mothers. same with lads but they are one with the mother and in Competition with dad. so I can understand why she would go with her father's plan... she will be at one with her dad so if he killed himself, she would die also.. he caused in her Stockholm syndrome. that can be cured. hopefully it is that cause she didn't get long sentence.

She was extremely manipulated by her psycho father. She deserved punishment, and she also deserved a second chance. 19 is only an adult legally, our brains, especially the parts of it that process emotions and make decisions, are not fully developed until around 25. She was a child, shaped by her father, just like all other children and he father took advantage of her naivety and adoration of him. He victimized her just as he did Michelle, and now she has to live with what she has done. That is enough. I will give her a break.

Parental alienation does that!

More than Ive experienced 💔

Well said! Her mom died knowing her daughter had betrayed her. What a tragedy. How can Karrie live with herself? I don't get it, at all.

@user-rp8gk3un5o I completely agree! How she can function in life let alone carry on seemingly care free is absolutely beyond me!! I wouldn't be able to even remotely function...then again, I would have never done it in the first place.

💔

@@dionnedunsmore9996 This is not about you though, with due respect...

Totally

So you're saying a teenager couldnt be brainwashed?

That is totally false. If teenagers can be brainwashed by their friends to do stupid things , then it surely wouldn't be that hard for her father to do so. She was vulnerable and abused into a state of mind that led her to what she did. Everything to her was about pleasing the father. U can clearly see in the years before the death she was manipulated into opening a case against her mom

@@BigStarworldheaven Teenagers are just as easily brainwashed as children.

I was thinking along those lines too!! Moving into a new student apartment as a young adult, rather than a infant child!! May her Mothers soul rest in peace 🙏⚘️

That is so disturbing

That $6k a month in child/spousal support would hurt me.

@@TomikaKelly they go based off of income.

She is her father’s daughter…

@@ybbahsetteval then y is he in 100k debt , 6k a month is liker 4or5 fold an average wage and about 10-15 fold what child support should be greed killed this woman

Unimaginable...

No sympathy for that cruel daughter.

Cruel and evil Father

@Carmel Delaney maybe she wanted approval. Or.. maybe she was too young to know the severity of consequences. I don't know I'm at the beginning 😕. I gotta keep watching .

Whatever happened to divorce as an option?

What is the timestamp for that?

Which means women will betray you as well because that is what she was. A young adult woman.

not all men, women aren't as loyal either. All humans are flaw

Blood is thicker than water

@@superpixelated7354 enough blood to help take her mom out smh

Totally agree with you

Stop it. You do not know that. If she g’ets the right help she can live her life and grief her mother.😊 But you do not know about forgiveness🥵

@@tmfromdenmark9158 One can forgive and at the same time understand that a murderer must suffer the consequences of their actions.

I felt that way, too, at first. But, then, I thought of Michelle, who had given the ultimate price, and thought what Michelle would have wanted was the best. It is still possible for Karrie to learn from this and live a decent, good life, which is what Michelle would have wanted. I am glad she served time, though. That was just.

@@jeweliedee4299 she's a woman criminal! she was 18! christ! the grandmother is HORRIBLE ... the grandma is not allowing her to be a woman

We have to forgive one another, as the LORD has commanded, but I do not feel sorry for her, and her tears. Plain EVIL.

@@nicandromartinezsotelo3300 I hear you, Nicandro. I believe God is a God of mercy, and if she could go on and live a humble and transformed life, then that would be better than another life wasted.

@@jeweliedee4299 that's easy to say every criminal should be in the streets because God is a God of mercy, she didn't care of her mother's life and pain...she not only lie, she facilitated and conspired to get rid of her mother.

TF are you trying to blame the 14 year old for?!?

She took her Father's side and showed no concern for the safety of her mother... she made her choice.

@@mercedeswestbrook4356 Absolutely, it doesn't matter if it's even about the safety of her mom or anybody's else...she showed who she was, and should have been kept away from people for quite some time, the fact that her father is a monster doesn't mean she isn't a one after all.

Exactly, I mean, aren't most of these monsters a product of their environment? So ok yeah it is awful that she was raised by that man but doesn't disqualify her from being a monster. Bundy was seriously abused, don't hear these nuts whining about poor Bundy. @@woman290

Stay classy

It sure is.

You learn what you live! This was grade A "parental alienation" by the father!

@Katelyn Nelly The answer is easy, her father asked her "could u cry" Karrie answered "I might" now we know why she could switch from crying her crocodile tears to normal she was in cahoots with her father they should both fry

coping skills vary from person to person

Noticed this too.

I find myself looking for comments while watching Netflix or Hulu I think KZfaq is my favorite because of the comments

If you like the format, there are podcasts for 20/20, 48hours, Dateline, and many others. It’s just the audio but it’s easy to follow I think. Just a thought for a fellow enjoyer 😊

@@emcdonald496 me too sis

Me too!

I never really realized why I liked KZfaq but I think you’re correct.

Female privilege ain't no joke.

She helped Plan it not just allowed it.

If Karrie was male there’s no way she would only get 1 to 3 years.

@@DatJNP It was actually White privilege, but go off..

@@TomikaKelly Not according to reality but go ahead and keep letting the TV tell you what to think.

100% agree.

Absolutely!!!!

ON POINT !!!!!!!!

The genes made her do it!

Well stated...

15-25 years because you choose to interpret her answer to "Could you cry?" - *"I might"* - as "talking about turning on the tears"? That's what I'd get for raping and murdering a random woman for sport. Not defending her - I'd have to walk a mile in her shoes before I could judge - but honesty when I heard her say that (not knowing what her involvement was) her words and tone seemed like she meant she might ACTUALLY cry without trying. I just went back to 23:11 knowing what I now know and it still sounds that way. I'm not religious - and clearly you aren't either - but I do like the theme, the not being so quick to cast stones, the forgiving yadda yadda. Damn dude, she's a teenage girl brainwashed to hate her mum, living with the 'perfect' dad she adores and one day he says he can't pay mum anymore and is taking a header off a parking garage unleeeeeesss... I'd need to walk more than just ONE mile in her shoes to get how messed up that made her 😥

Exactly.

I think a life in prison is adequate. I mean, she did this to her own mother... Imagine what she could do to others. It's just unfathomable... Some people got a life sentence for just being a part of a robbery that went wrong and a person got killed (and they didn't actually participate in the robbery nor killing, they were just there, and they were minors), she participated in all this with a premeditation. She should be locked up for good. It makes me mad she wasn't...

Life is the right sentence for her, she was downstairs while she knew his father was killing her mother, and the she help to put the rope and help him with the dead body, and no remorse when talking about that. No she cry because she got caught, she cry no for the poor mother she cry for her self. Life in prison is the right sentence for her.

This. She’s already out and a free woman.

I think that’s just normal love. Too bad the girl didn’t have that for her momma.

@@animula6908 it ain’t love, it’s something sick

Exactly!!! She and her dad were smiling and laughing on the phone.

Wanted the dad to get life and the daughter to get nothing. Smh.

Yeah but it sounds like the father had been treating his daughters the same way he had been their mother. Using the courts to hurt the mother and then running back to the daughters playing victim and hero like 'look I'm trying to protect yous but the courts just won't help me'. Sick parents like that out there, and if you've been raised by one like that, you'd know how easy it is to think this person would stop hurting me if they were able to be happy without this 'problem' (the mother) getting in the way. I know it's hard to fathom but it is really like that and that feeling doesn't just go away with age.

She wasn’t a child but young enough to be manipulated by a grown adult.

@@carmenarocho1932 right still very vulnerable

No she wasn't a child but the manipulation started when she was. He is 100% responsible and this girl will have to live with this the rest of her life. This whole story is horrendous!

@@canduscanty8583 yeah right?? Vulnerable to the point : from crying to normal tone during 911 call. then asked the dad.."should I Cry".then laughing.. Sick of her acting skills. I think she knew damn well what she was doing

If she wasn't a child, she certainly wasn't an adult in any meaningful sense. And she was also subordinated and groomed by her father.

The sister didn't take the mother away; the father did.

A twisted family!

@@TomikaKelly The sister is as guilty as the father. I am also wondering about the youngest daughter, I understand she's a minor and needs to be protected, but is it really possible that she went through all that happened that night without realizing what was going on? She was 14, not 2...

Exactly.. If my sibling took my mother away from me and the rest of my family Id hate her for the rest of my life.

@@antg9673 same!

I was a victim of parental alienation as a child (from my mother towards my father) and i agree. yes, i did feel contempt and other complicated things, but i would have never hurt him under any circumstances, because i still felt a basic level of empathy that all humans feel. this girl was a victim of parental alienation but there was obviously something else going on too, she is a psychopath

Well, I think it is very much possible. When the person who is supposed to teach u right from wrong, who is considered 2nd to god tells u something repeatedly u start to believe it. It is not black and white. You can’t really comprehend unless u have been in the situation.

​@@202sujatajindal8I agree.

Zero Remorse. Scary af

​@@202sujatajindal8 agreed

Letting her father into the house was more consequential than helping him set the scene. For sure she did a terrible thing but I don't think people can imagine what it's like to be manipulated and groomed by your own father, and what a malign influence that could be. The truth is that she was part victim and part perpetrator.

literally

@@simonw1313 she's cold and remorseless. She could have stopped this from happening. She's only concerned with the insurance money and maybe being with her father.

@@meera2531 someone had to manipulate her into becoming that way. You do realize that parents are a DIRECT INFLUENCE on this children, right??

Karrie is one evil women

Well, she's somewhere out there.

She also had connections in law enforcement. So that helped her case.

She’s a white women a black person definitely would’ve gotten jail time or life I have seen it in other court cases the system is racist what else is nee

😢absolutely not we both no the answer too that!!!(sad but so so very true unfortunately

I agree she should have gotten at the very least 10 years, she just got a slap on the wrist. Her father didn't make her choose she could have said your not going to make me choose and then retorted her father. The father is clearly a physcopathic, manipulative, narcissist and its clear to me Kerri has inherited that behavior from her father. It's all so very sad but I do hope that young lady gets the professional help she needs and I pray she's learned a lesson and never ever does anything like this ever again.

Grandma might be next if she doesn’t tread lightly around her granddaughter

Hopefully the other two sisters aren’t psychopaths like Karrie

Did you mean your heart breaks for Michelle’s mother maybe? SHE is the one who lost her daughter because of her granddaughter

Wow! So it's All the granddaughter fault?? Not the devil dad whom terrorized his "family" from birth! And, actually did the killing??

MOM. Em. Oh. Em. Mom.

I wish she had done it too. But, I know that children at that age can be badly manipulated. It is difficult for people who have not encountered such cases to understand her action.

She might have known it was wrong but the one person who helped teach her right from wrong obviously played with her and all she was raised to believe. I believe had she not went through helping her father, he would have murdered her as well.

@Susan I completely agree! She knew right from wrong!!

You’re not understanding that she had experienced a lifetime of psychological manipulation by such an essential, controlling figure in her life.

I COULD NOT AGREE MORE 😱😭😡☹️😤

I’m pretty sure her and the dad were in a ‘relationship.’. when fathers twist their daughter’s minds like that at a very young age it teaches the females to be sinister liars and manipulators themselves, if it doesn’t destroy them. not every victim lets themselves suffer the pain and heal - they can become very cold like their perpetrators.

I can believe it

a person capable of doing that to her own mother shouldn't be out and about in society

Im sure she would agree if it concerned someone else. The dad did a huge mindfek on her.

All she had to do was notify authorities. She chose not to. God help us, this girl is a sociopath.

Heartbreaking😔 and Karrie is evil. The rotten apple does not fall far the tree.

feeding her killer. when you in the camp of your enemy.

Karrie is 100% evil incarnate…

she was manipulated. Being manipulated could make a person do crazy things, especially at 19. Even as adults, we’re so easily manipulated to think certain things are right and others are wrong. She was young naive and was raised to hate her mother. On top of all of that manipulation and hatred, Her father gave her an ultimatum. She will live the rest of her life with that burden, I think the judge made the right choice.

@@hdres90 I agree with you. Her father made her chose between himself and her mother. Had she just chose her mother, she would most likely still have 2 parents! Her father is an awful human being and now this poor girl is going to have to live with the trauma of what her father made her do. And now she has to live with being involved in her own mothers death and with her fathers being the one who manipulated her…. Very sad for that girl to me. I think she’s already serving a life sentence whether she is free or not!

haters gone hate, you will die young, burning yourself up from the inside, your choice

@@hdres90 Funny how all the supposed manipulation ended when she was facing a long prison sentence, she dropped her Dad in it without much hesitation. A truly brainwashed person would not do that and remember she was living an independent life away from her father so just where did the manipulation happen at that stage of her life. She is a gutless wonder, a witch in appearance with a self-inflated ego thinking she is something special which she is certainly not. She should be locked up for life

@@hdres90 I absolutely agree with you and it's appalling to see all the likes of the ice cold and ignorant comment above yours. This is exactly how a brainwashing is done. Karrie is a victim to.

She was under her father's spell of control...

@@karenfyhr2363 Stop. She knew it was wrong. That’s an excuse

@@karenfyhr2363 the pervasive cult of victimhood that is omnipresent throughout society these days is so disgusting People who refuse to take accountability & others like you who make excuses for them

Exactly.

she just hated her mother.. period

What if he groomed her from little on up? Then she is a victim too.

FACTS!

Apple doesn’t fall far from her father’s tree apparently.

Not surprised honestly.

Exactly. Karrie and Lloyd's conversation over the phone screams guilty Lloyd: Could you cry a little? Karrie: I might.

Agree

I was crying when they showed the tapes of her mom feeding her as w baby...unbelievable what happened years after. I think the daughter is as narcissistic as her father.

Yes!!!!!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Well, she was a woman so......

@@Eventual-Visitor and a white one. Jus' say'n

@@angelafranklin2267 you beat me to it!

The manipulation of parents on their children is one of the strongest “bonds“ there are with parents and children. Mothers manipulate their sons and daughters, fathers manipulate their daughters and sons and this has been going on for thousands of years. We judge her by her age, yet that manipulation started when she was a young teen.

@@angelafranklin2267 FACTS

How horrible! Praying for the rest of the family, their loved ones, and friends.

Karrie had plenty of opportunity to do something different from what she did she wasn't a baby.

she hated her mother

Did everyone miss the part about parental alienation?

It wasn’t physical fear, it was emotional damage.

@@hdres90 No wonder the GOP has a chance.

Defense of a loved one is exactly what he used to manipulate her. He was going to die after all if she didn't get involved. He is just as important to her as her mother.

@@msmiami212 Neither parent was important to her (Karry) She did it for the share of the life insurance.

What what, in the buttbutt is what her dad played. It’s her favorite game. 😀

@@LyndaCoulson64 this i believe was one of the reason..it was never discussed but Karie wanted to live alone i guess she wanted the money too

You don't inherate sociopathy, it is Learned. Psychopathy...yes....you can be born that way.

She is guilty just as much as her father. She could have warned her mom or called the cops. She chose to let her mom die. It's dad.

That is EXACTLY what I said too! That she isn't upset because this happened! She's upset and crying because she knows it's over and they got found out.... I mean when you hear her talking to her Dad in those recordings, you can hear that she didn't give a crap that that happened to her Mom. She's talking to the guy that killed her Mom like everything is great between them. So that just shows her callousness! I don't think she cared that her Dad did that at all! So yeah I 100% agree with you on your comment about her....

She should have a VERY long sentence. Because even IF she is really manipulated, that means she's vulnerable to manipulation. Other people can easily manipulate her to do horrible things for them. She's better off in prison her whole life to protect other innocent people from her.

@@maldust7438 Yes also her eyes are dead/ cold and she showed zero remorse on the phone calls

Agree!!

@@iagreewithyou3478

Right? She's dead to me as soon as I find out what she did to my child.

But you are not her..plus remember that's her dead daughter's daughter so lots of emotions there. The husband is a 3rd party

Until you're in that situation lol

Totally agree 💯

Well said!

She was brainwashed by her father. The judge realised that, and her grandmother, who knows her better, forgave her.

@@Tee1312Jay In no way, does that girl deserve forgiveness.

​@@Tee1312Jay 😅

@@itsbabypeacheverybody deserves forgiveness

​​@@shitshatshartmarchingband nope, its up to the people they hurt. and the victim isn't alive to forgive them, so they will have to live like that

Makes me hungry.

@@ricksomething eewwaaaa Jeffrey freaking Dahmer⁉️🫣😯🙄

How was the person just standing there if they were dead

@@maryjeanglenn2486 Suspended by the neck?

Hello, how are you doing today, hope you are having a beautiful day? I was wondering if I could say Hi ? Stay safe, best wishes and enjoy the rest of the weekend

Not sure how that applies in this case?

I couldnt agree more. Stay single if you are not made for it.

What does that have to do wi th this case

@@aizenosaimafidon1119 The OP seems to be blaming the parents for what happened since they had sex early, married really young and had children right out of high school. Tone deaf and lacking in empathy* for Michelle. In hindsight, would this dead mom regret her choices had she survived? Seems like a dumb thing to ponder since nothing can bring her back. 😕 Edited: meant empathy not envy.

@@anitakoch3895 No one knows if they're made for it until they're actually in it. It seems like you and those that agree with the OP lack empathy and wisdom to understand and draw better conclusions. 🙄 Gods, asteroids and black holes, humanity is such a dysfunctional mess.

he took a plea deal but still got life without parole... lol, arrogant and a dunce

Hello Anna, how are you doing today, hope you are having a beautiful day? I stopped at your profile because you bear the same name with a good friend of mine! I was wondering if I could say Hi ? Stay safe, best wishes and enjoy the rest of the weekend

😭😭😭😭I'm really so sorry your boys treat you like that 😔

I'm so sorry. The singer/guitar player Lita Ford - her husband did the same thing with their boys. So sad.

My x did same to my daughter. We will never be close as she resents me and seems to want to fight with me every few months 😢 hurts but I can’t fix it she’s 40 now

I'm so sorry to hear that

That’s awful I’m so sorry and your boys should appreciate how sympathetic you are for them.

Is very scary after all she had done for that girl

just sad she doesnt seem to think Kerrie has any accountability in all this..

Karrie should have gotten life

I know it's sick that she only got 1 to 3 years.

"If she would've been a male" (lol your ego is extra fragile young jedi)

She did say she thought about what her daughter would want and that her daughter wouldm't have wanted her to get a long sentence.

@@tamitribbiani7907 that is something horrific to say to be honest.

@@nicandromartinezsotelo3300 What the Grandmother said?