same here

Mr_Valdus I would’ve romanced him so quick.

Same, and they played with my emotions.. to let Kassandra "help" him gave me hope for a happy ending for him but no, all for nothing.

Mondshadow 7 what happened to him in the end? Did hades send him in elysium or kill him?

@@holyknightamax4833 elysium

It's a thalmor in disguise

Hades just might have shady ties with total dickheads from parallel universes.

Yoooo sucks brasidas dies would love him on the ship!!!

Emma Treacy yup u already know

ikr

Tbh honest "especially after he died the way he did in the main storyline" is the exact thing why I think otherwise. He was Spartan code above reason, he knew nothing but war/charge. He got owned and was injured from his previous fight but still decided to SUICIDE by fighting Deimos. (Hes pretty much on the same boat as the woman who hang herself.) It was his hubris that killed him, it was Spartan code that killed him => he doesnt deserve Elysseum. Also in the Underworld hell do work that undoes the horrors he created because of Spartan code.

Dark Voice Yeah so all those cowards who wanted to rebel with Adonis and only do it because of our hard work weakening everything deserve Paradise? Only person I remember even remotely worth a grain of salt in Elysium was Leonidas. Besides him there were a bunch of cowards you couldn’t remotely call heroes. Yet the description reads “home of heroes” 😂

@@boogiedown7608 If I had a choice, I wouldnt weaken Persephone at all. Asked Persephone to send me to underworld and be done with it. Hekate lied when she said that Persephone never allowed anyone leave Elysseum because Phoibe left it to search for her parents. I actually think there is no reason to cause any uprising there. Even Adonis could leave if he wanted but was a coward once. Then he won the war and asked Persephone again and she allowed it again (based on my gameplay) so the "Noone can leave Elysseum" is total BS.

Dark Voice In my opinion the entire thing was stupid. The people in paradise are rebelling? What in the actual fuck. Then you find out Herakles and Perseus are in hades. Literally what in the fuck. Herakles legend says when his wife killed him and they burned his body it allowed him to go to Olympus but no he’s in Hades. Perseus writings talk about him slaying the gorgon, but he gave the head to Athena and she put it on her shield. This is the same Athena that transformed Medusa in the first place for getting raped in one of her temples(fucking ridiculous). But Perseus in hades for some kind of Hubris? Only thing I’ve thought was interesting is that Perseus has abilities like the eagle bearer and maybe the eagle bearer has the blood of Zeus too. Achilles didn’t have no powers from what I saw and I haven’t fought Agamemnon or herakles yet.

@@boogiedown7608 I think the heroes have the ability to go in between realms, at least Herakles because he's a god, but if that's not why they're there, i think its the fact they have "Fallen" and if they somehow died in Elysium or while traveling in between realms then they could have become Fallen.

Persephone is a bit of a jerk too ;]

I actually like Hades here lol, he's a lowkey troll but he does mean what he says...sort of

The Gods were cruel. Their cruelty is a common theme among many of them. Hades wasn't an evil God per se, but he was ruthless in his punishment. Take Sisyphus for e.g. who refused to head back into the underworld after cheating death. Hades dragged him back down and forced him to push a boulder up a cliff, only for it to fall back down, and have to push it up again over and over for eternity. I think they did a pretty good job depicting Hades.

@@TacTar it's pretty tame especially when you consider in mythology all the gruesome methods of punishments were Zeus or other gods decision. Hades is chill for a Greek god and is reasonable

Persephone is a jerk because no matter what you do you can't convinct her that her best friend Hekate is planning to overthrone her

people usually say he looks like Shinnok ;]

@@xLetalis oooooh he does.

@@xLetalis for me he looks like an altmer from the elder scrolls xD

He does look lil like Loki. His behavior seems in line with Loki’s as well given it almost seems like he views the dead as his playthings.

exactly!

He’s dies anyway killed or being old

Good idea.

you can't save a character that died in history

@@AgentSixNine69 yeah you can, if you don’t do any missions then the history won’t play out

Oh yeah and it has the spartan symbol on it! Oh and it is also a shield

its not like basicly every shield a spartan has was given him by his father, who recieved it from his grandfather and so on. Brasidas is an idiot

When you get to choose a shield, there are two spartan shields but only one has scars. The other one is "clean". It's just a hint

@@Sapia_Papia There is no such a thing as a clean spartan shield, only p**ies have clean shields, spartans are no p**ies

@@phantom1a2 I know man.The first of the 3 shields is a pussy-shield. 😁 But I, as a Euboian, would totally go for the blue one.Attiki hools 👊

I think you misunderstood. He attacked an innocent village that had nothing to do with the war. Brasidas said himself that he killed innocents, which is against the Spartan code. Her husband was right to fight back, because the Spartans were torching their home and killing their people. Even in times of war, everyone knows that some places are neutral. She said her husband wasn't a solider, and Brasidas knew that. It's actually a really painful contrast, because when we first met Brasidas he showed concern for the innocent people tied up in the barn, and he gets angry if you don't free them before it burns down. This is really brilliant writing. Even though we love Brasidas and consider him a friend, we can't justify his actions. People have been sent to hell for less, and Hades was absolutely right in denying him paradise. We only saw _one_ story, but he likely killed several people in that village, hence his nickname "The Butcher". And regardless of how you feel or what you'd want to add, it would still only come down to two choices: he stays or he goes. No matter what, you wouldn't be able to convince that woman and I think she expresses that perfectly. It's like she said, war didn't kill her husband, throw her down, or burn her village -- Brasidas did. The whole point of this quest was to make him take responsibility for his own actions. Personally I would've loved to send him to Elysium, but considering Hades' conditions and the fact that that poor woman is being punished for nothing more than ending her pain (pain wrought on by Brasidas) it didn't seem just or honourable.

@@kirikakirikakirika War is a tale old as time. I'm not denying Brasidas's action, but at the same time. The Spartans were there for a purpose. The Athenians were there and even if the people in the village are neutral themselves. It still shows the Spartans that they were aiding their enemies regardless if they want to or not. As for her husband. I still say he should have kept his head down. He didn't. He took up a sword and fought. It reminds me of that episode of A:TLA where Zuko gives a child a knife and he pulls it on some mercenaries, and they take him saying he's old enough to join the army if he has a weapon. It would be no different if someone drew a weapon on you. You wouldn't ask what they're reasoning is. You would see them as a threat. Which brings me back to my original statement. If there was no war. There would be no Spartan attack. Yes, I get the idea of the quest is to make Brasidas answer for what he did. But it doesn't change the fact that war IS ultimately the cause of this woman's pain. Brasidas may have been the one to strike her husband down and kill her, but war initiated it as it did for everyone else who was caught in the crossfires. And as for the choice. I mean. Looking at the endings. Yeah, the better one is staying in the Afterlife. But. I still think he should be in Elysium since as you stated. For the most part he protected innocents. I'm not saying he's completely innocent and no doubt he has blood on his hands, but so does every soldier in some way.

​@@jckspacy But the problem is Brasidas attacked first. He admitted the village was innocent and he not only attacked regardless, but he burned the entire village down. They weren't soldiers and they had nothing to do with the war. As the wife said, they were _occupied_ by Athens. There's a good chance they weren't Athenian at all. That would be like you breaking into someone's home, killing the husband when he tries to fight back, then saying it's _his_ fault for not keeping his head down. War doesn't mean having to give up your humanity. The man was down, he couldn't fight back, his wife literally tried to stop it, but Brasidas threw her aside like she was nothing. As Brasidas said, they were, quite literally, innocent. _That's_ the problem. _That's_ why he was denied paradise.

@@jckspacy The woman said "When the battle was over, Spartans flooded the village, drunk on victory and blood. They torched our homes.". So Brasidas took part in the massacre of innocents (the people in the village are civilians because the battle was over) by murdering one of the men who tries to defend the village from this 'war crime'. Why murder? Well, the man was easily defeated and even after her wife tried to stop Brasidas he still continued to kill a surrendering or disabled enemy who was trying to stop or avenge the ongoing massacre. The woman is right. Sure, war is to blame indirectly, but that's just not taking accountability. The war is about two main states, and not against the village, which isn't even a threat anymore since the Spartans already occupies the region it's in, or at least the area of the region where the village is. The Spartans, including Brasidas, made a choice to do that to the people in the village out of their own free will - he probably already has the rank to stop it. Should it even surprise anyone knowing that their workforce are slaves? The states' peoples that they conquer become helots. What is honor for Spartans except for their own good.

The thing is historically brasidas was invited several times to invade villages to free them from athenian control.

I used Alexios as a gentle character. Beast mode will cime along with Kassandra. Women are more fierce 😉

This comment is life. “Kassandra is savage.” 😂😂

I do conquest battles to alt f4 bounties

NO SHE HASN'T.... KASSANDRA HAS NEVER MURDERED ANYONE, EVERYONE SHE HAS KILLED WERE ATTACKING HER

@@Sapia_PapiaHISTORY HAS PROVEN THAT MEN ARE MORE FIERCE AND BIOLOGICALLY STRONGER

Still pales in comparison. Imagine GoD saying "oh you'll fucking bow" :)

@@xLetalis I'd bow preemptively just to be safe. The Man of Glass was terrifying! Hades is a walking cliche.

Gaunter O'Dimm to this day is the best trickster villain that in real life would make you shit your pants if you were in his range of sight

Funny you bring upp TW3 when Hades looks like an discount thrift shop Eredin.

Odyssey is basically the witcher 3 but without the talent and dedication.

thanks man! this is great!

I hadn't gotten that far in the main story, and I didn't kill my father but I think it was still in there.

Same

I did both Brasidas' plans yet he still says I don't care about others, the wording is different because I didn't kill Pythagoras. But then my game is kinda glitchy, I just handed in an impact quest the other day saying I killed Stentor despite I got the perfect ending in the main game.

Agree

It's all good. I literally been in tartaros and fought the prisoners. So I'll just go back and break my boy brasidas out no problem.

Yes I dont actually like him so Iet him goes to heaven so he suffer forever

xLetalis Now that I’ve seen both results I think where he stays in Tartarus is actually the better result. When Hades sends him to Elysium it’s kinda like a curse, but when he stays, it’s like he embraces a new purpose. On my first try I tried to send him to Elysium but he refused to go, and he stayed, I thought I failed but looking back I’m glad I didn’t. Thanks for clearing this up for us :)

my pleasure

@@SilverShadow1617 So true, in fact Hades turned paradise into a cruel torture because of the stipulations he placed on Brasidas. But in the underworld, he gave Brasidas a purpose that suits him. It wasn't a torture like the one for Sisyphus, but it was instead it was a job that will allow him to find peace.

In all honesty, as honourable as Brasidas was, he didn't deserve Elysium for his actions and I was satisfied with his outcome even if I failed to get him to Elysium. I still think that he lived by his father's code too but the lesson of the story is that the code alone doesn't make you worthy of paradise.

Can somebody please tell me who does belong in Elysium then? Because all I remember is some coward named Adonis being there. Hardly seemed like the home of heroes when all the actual heroes are apparently in Hades. I mean really, Perseus? Didn’t Athena accept the Gorgons head from him? Only Hero that seemed to belong in Hades was the one who killed the Chimera and tried to fly Pegasus to Olympus. He’s literally the only Greek hero I remember that remotely seems like he would end up in Hades because he specifically pissed Zeus off and Zeus himself killed the guy. And Hēraklês? Didn’t his death literally free him from his mortal body to become an actual god and go to mount Olympus in his legend? I haven’t finished the DLC but it sure seems like he is in Hades too. I can go with Achilles and Agamemnon but Perseus and Hēraklês?

true :) That was probably my favorite scene with Hades

he got /tped to elysium when i was about to shake hand with him

honestly the 2nd outcome seems better imo when he isn't convinced to just go to paradise he seems to make the choice of self punishment even if it seems like its given to him he sees you as a better friend for not coddling him and telling him "hey you fucked up"

Honestly, greek gods were gigantic pricks. They really caught we'll this part of their personality

@@anatoleleconte723 They didn’t catch that zeus couldn’t keep it in his pants

Indeed. A stagnant prison of almost pure bliss, but with Absolute Order-crazy Persephone ruling it. Yeah...

@Phillip Bucher That was the good ending

Quin so should I tell him to go or Elysium or stay in hades?

Quin i mean what would you have done just stopped attacking and been like, oh there’s a women I should stop attacking. She got in the way it’s her fault

@Quin just completed the quest. Fuck all the code bullshit lol I sent him to Elysium

Sirius Black Same here. Though I don't know if it really helped him since he has to hold that urn forever and if he lets go of it he's sent to Tartaros.

He lost his light 🥲

I imagine being sent to hell can have that affect on you.

How the heck is that better? He’s condemned to carry that urn forever, or end up in Tartarus if he separates with it.

I agree, despite what he did to that woman and her husband, he didn't know that she was pregnant at the time when he shoved her. Sure he deserves to go to the underworld for killing an innocent but, after meeting Kassandra or Alexios, he still honoured the Spartan code, right?

@@renascence239 true but, that's price he has to pay for killing an innocent, even though he didn't know that woman was pregnant at the time.

But imagine living in a crying of someone you killed "accidentally". A moment he free himself of the vase, he went straight to Tartaros. No, I think that is hell. To be in constant fear & the cry omg it'll drive you crazy in a place no matter how beautiful it is.

might be because Leonidas has Isu blood

I agree

Nicholas alvarado finally somebody noticed. But It is strange, that Kassandra acts like it is all real.

To her it probably is. What does the word “simulation” mean to an Ancient Greek? How else would her mind even be able to comprehend what she’s experiencing?

William Borges A dream that is real but not real?

@@williamborges212 Probably enough exposure to advanced Isu technology renders her mind to be similar to that of our current modern-era people.

@@williamborges212 to an observer, sufficiently advanced technology is no more different than straight up magic

Morrille Nagy, Yeah, but you have to remember this never happebed. Underworld and magic does not exist in AC lore. All this is just a simulation, a video game created by Alethia. So when Brasidas and Phoibe died, they simply died. There was nothing after that.

@@justauser5222 True, but I was just commenting on the story-telling.

@@justauser5222 I think it's more than just a simple simulation. Her interactions with Phoebie, Leonidas, Brasidas, and her old enemies feels totally real. And lets not forget that the staff was built by Hermes, who himself was part of the "simulation." If this were just a simple imitation of the underworld, there would be no need for the Phoebie and Brasidas side quests because those are genuinely about helping those two and giving Kassandra closure. If it wasn't really real, then what would be the point? Why would Kassandra fight so hard to send Phoebie to Elysium if that wasn't the real her? Maybe Alethia calls it a simulation to Kassandra because she isn't dead. Adonis was also alive. Here's what I believe: Maybe even the afterlife was built by the Isu, particularly Alethia. She probably created the Egyptian one as well as the Greek one. You say that this stuff doesn't exist in the Assassin's creed lore. But then how do explain Bayek's journey through the afterlife in "Curse of the Pharaohs?" That wasn't a "simulation".

Allias Star, Underworld breaks the lore of the Assassin's Creed. Nothing is magic, everything has scientific explenation. Kassandra may not know that this is a simulation (as far as I remember Aletheia told that only to Layla), thus she thinks it's real. This simulation is a preparation for the Keeper, so these quests may have been created by Aletheia, so Kassandra can finally settle things with her past and move forward ready to live for another 2000 years. Besides Isu do not behave like these Isu-gods in the simulation. Kronos was not a Titan, he was just another Isu. So if this Underworld thing is more than just a simulation of the Underworld with some bits of Isu, than it totally destroys the already established lore and that is unacceptable.

Allias Star, Bayek's journey was an illuson created by an Apple. He admits that himself "I have walked the Fields of Reeds, I have felt the air on my skin, but I wasn't there, and I don't think I will. It was some trick with my mind".

glad to hear

is that a good thing? :)

@@xLetalis maybe.

The kings that started the war should be doing that job He's just a warrior following orders

SpartanJ6, Yep in war there are no winners only sides that lose less.

oh I didn't know that, thanks for sharing. Though I can confirm that if you did everything right except for the "Hubris" choice, he'll choose to stay as well

I know what you mean

Because the good ending isn't nice. Literally brasidas is sent to Tartarus. Hades wanted both hands (this the plural hands) on the ashes. The moment he was persuaded (by hades) to bid farewell, the moment he was sent to Tartarus

after I'm done with this :) I haven't even downloaded 5 10 3 yet!

Hades loves riddles, and he loves to toy with mortals, I suppose the so-called "good ending" of thisquest is definitely part of Hades' joke !

a fair point

and his talk is reuniting families separated by war, he will make people happy in death and what's not to love ? Really, the good ending is not the one we think !

@@ink3539 who to say he will find his honour this way. To be honest this doc sucked therevqere only a few missions and nothing affected the state off play

@@connorwiseman6277 to be honest, I havent got any DLC (yet ?) Because of time and issues with my ps4, I kinda wish they didn't have the dead characters reappear because we sort of had a closure, brutal, unfair but... yeah that's death. I kinda like this idea of greek afterlife though !

Thing with the DLC is that its poorly made, if your a first time and havnt played the full game, you meet certain ppl in hell that are dead ( doing dlc first ), yet arnt dead in the actual game, its poorly made, maybe 2 hrs of gameplay. The first DLC smashes this one

It’s bc not everyone kills Deimos in their play through

he was not killed in all playthrough. if you don't kill deimos he is still alive.

yeah :D

hah, that's true, in fact... I'm working on a video about the Carnal Sins in the background!

Ikr like if i was a american soldier and i saw a japanese soldier, and we were both in hell id just call it quits because at that point we would just be fighting to fight. I would like to imagine them getting along - like athenians and spartans joining adonis’ rebellion

Glad to hear ;]

how about a round of gwent?

@@sharangcool ok Im only interested in good cards tho

So You say it's over reacting to lose your mind over an abortion (unwanted btw)

Josh Fallon it isn’t real. It is just test in simulation

Or he could pull a kratos and have the ash bonded to his skin

Hades* Ares is not in this DLC

@@XF3693 ur right lol oopsie! I meant to say Hades haha

Isu tech amiright?

I don't think you can

There's no canon really, it's what you choose

They all died in the main story

Can't really blame Ubisoft when they outright tell you to finish the vanilla game before this DLC.

@@alvinsy1107 Three of them are still alive in my current playthrough ;)

@@username1660 You can blame them, The DLC was only playable after some time in the game, I see no problem with just block this quest to be playable until Brasidas is dead for example. Also I got no note in the quest that I should play the DLC after the main game.

The message shows up in the main menu when you pick the Atlantis DLC option.

Because she committed suicide, Hades hates that

Hadi Ferlan everyone who is hanging on a noose in the trees took their own lives which makes a lot of sense if you think about it

Hadi Ferlan 10:47 explains it as well

In several religions, if you commit suicide, you are damned to what ever version of hell it has, since by most accounts taking your own life is considered dishonorable. Read Dante's Inferno sometime, there is a whole circle of hell devoted to suicide.

hehe, sure

huh... I don't know ;[

Also both hands must leave the urns, he isn't sent to Elysium. He is sent to Tartarus for breaking the oath which hades persuaded

I just don't question it ;]

@@xLetalis Seriously, if those are just Piece of Eden/Animus Simulations meant to train Kassandra, they're extremely elaborate and psychologically disturbing and harmful. Those are her dead friends there! In what way is creating illusions of her dead friends going to help her use the Staff? I have my own fan theory that the Pieces of Eden make copies of people's minds and store them inside (which is how Juno and Aletheia are still around, and how the Pharaohs appeared in the Origins DLC), which could technically create an afterlife-esque Matrix like the ones from the DLCs. But Brasidas and Phoibe never wielded a Piece of Eden. Or is the Spear of Leonidas supposed to have copied them just by their being close to Kassandra. Oh Cthulhu, my brain hurts... Would Ubisoft just fucking explain this scientifically, or are they just going with the Rick and Morty asspull of "Oh, Quantum Physics Makes Reality subjective, let's alter the timeline" that they obviously seem to be building up towards since AC Origins?

Someone on reddit posted a beautifully written explaination that the isu use the word simulation in the place of reality. So the 'simulations' are just other realms/pocket realities. Basically implying that the afterlife was created by the isu

​@@wettailtimberwolf1996 Okay, so it's basically the same concept as the Tyranny of King Washington, with even more Rick and Morty flavor thrown in, as Ubisoft now implies that there are actual gods and afterlives in other alternate realities (which on par for this game, which can't decide if its Assassin's Creed, Witcher 3, Shadow of War, Black Flag or, as of now, God of War). Which is even more confusing in and by itself. Why do I get the feeling that Ubisoft is going for the Mortal Kombat 11 route of complete Time Reset? Only in Assassin's Creed's Case, it makes no sense and makes everything we've played completely moot (as if AC Origins revealing the great philosophical war between two conspiracies really started over Discount Conner Kenway and Aveline bitching over their dead son and killing the best monarchs of the ancient world after Alexander the Great wasn't enough...).

that's the actual good ending elysium is hell for him cuz of the task he need to keep his hand on that jar or he goes to tartaros

​@@chadikhr7258he breaks the oath immediately. It has to be both hands. So Elysium ending is the BAD ending

he's in Elysium, you decide what that means ;]

@@xLetalis where in Elysium :(