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🎹 Kawai CA78 vs Roland DP603 Digital Piano Comparison by Merriam Pianos 🎹

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#KawaiCA78 #RolandDP603 #DigitalPiano
Thanks everyone for checking out our review of Kawai’s CA78 vs Roland’s DP603 digital pianos - two titans in the mid-range of the industry. In this comparison video, we take a look at the piano tone, the action, feature, and cabinetry differences between the two models, and of course Stu shares his personal thoughts on his likes/dislikes between the two.
HEAD-TO-HEAD: PIANO TONE
Piano Tone - The DP603 uses Roland’s well-known Supernatural Piano Engine, which is in essence a stripped-down version of the V-Piano engine, and delivers limitless polyphony (since in theory the processor speed is the only limitation). Roland offers a full piano designer onboard as well as by wireless control, and generally the tone can be described as highly polished, crisp, and maybe a touch ‘compressed’ in its dynamic output.
The Kawai CA78 uses their most recent version of Harmonic Imaging, which is their synthesis engine that they’ve been honing for over a decade. It combines real samples with modelled dynamic tonal effects like resonance, hammer noise, or damper noise, and is also widely praised for its authenticity. The use of a real high-quality sample produces some moments of warmth that I find difficult to draw from the Roland in some cases, but I also appreciate the harmonic precision of the Roland - particularly in the upper ranges.
Between the two, I find the actual dynamic output of the Kawai to be wider than the Roland, which makes it less forgiving to play, but a more accurate instrument to practice classical repertoire on.
HEAD-TO-HEAD: ACTION
Roland equips the DP603 with their PHA-50 action, which includes a wood core in the key, escapement, and ivory-textured keys. It’s the same action found in many of their LX pianos as well as their flagship stage piano the RD2000. I must say that at first the action felt slightly heavy to my finger, having previously used the RD800, Fantom series, Kawai’s MP7, and Yamaha’s S90’s. The wood keys have changed the dynamic resistance (it feels like they now retain the same inertia in motion as when first being pressed) vs. their PHA-4 action, but it’s only made it feel more like an acoustic. I find it’s easier to play more sensitively now with the additional mass in the key, and I like it a lot. My only complaint is that it feels like repetition speed has come down a bit - I haven’t measured it to see if that’s accurate, but my sense is that it’s a tad more sluggish to return.
The Kawai GHFII action is another evolution of their wooden ‘full-key-stick’ style action, which literally has you playing on a true acoustic piano key, with a simplified hammer action on the other end.
HEAD-TO-HEAD: FEATURES
The DP603 and CA78 both use Bluetooth to export the control and functionality off of the physical instrument and onto your wireless device (phone or tablet). And both offer remote control (selecting various playing modes and sounds) as well as piano sound editing (“Virtual Technician”). However, the Roland Piano Partner 2 is definitely a more comprehensive offering, bringing wireless recording, auto-accompaniment, flash-cards, and even score reading and playback. And a big bonus to Android users - Roland’s apps are cross-compatible, whereas Kawai currently only offers the iOS versions.
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@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 4 жыл бұрын
**This video contains audio from both pianos which should not be considered ‘true’ representations of the instruments. The video was recorded in MONO, and there is an unintended wave cancellation effect that has occured as a result. Please view the updated video here: **kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h7Cln8WE1rKRZJ8.html** ****
@cphil2x1
@cphil2x1 4 жыл бұрын
Respectfully, I think you should remove this video as it's unintentionally very misleading with regard to the sound of the Roland unless the listener reads your pinned comment explaining the recording issue. Alternatively you should add an intro to state that the sound of the Roland is not accurate at all and why. Thank you.
@BurakCalik
@BurakCalik 4 жыл бұрын
Oh I shocked about how bad Roland is. Very misleading. You should remove this video, cut these parts and re-upload the video.
@billcarpentermusic
@billcarpentermusic 4 жыл бұрын
THANKYOU for all of your reviews and demonstrations! They are so helpful! I am a fan now of Merriam music, as these videos have nurtured my trust for your company. I hope you are around for a long long time.
@riobeira7143
@riobeira7143 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your informative videos. You are always hitting the spots that I am eager to know. Appreciate it.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos Жыл бұрын
You're very welcome! We're glad you are enjoying the videos! :)
@jgmedium
@jgmedium 4 жыл бұрын
Roland sounds too twangy and digital like earlier models. Kawai sound much more pleasant and real by far.
@VinarcoKie
@VinarcoKie 4 жыл бұрын
1:50 To my knowledge, there has been a higher end action called the "Hybrid Grand Keyboard" before this video was published. It has a longer pivot point. 3:00 The PHA-50 is not actually filled with a wood core. The wooden part is only on the sides of the keys. Sorry if I'm wrong.
@stevenbaggley1257
@stevenbaggley1257 4 жыл бұрын
The PHA-50 is mostly filled with wood. There is a centre spine of plastic for stability, but two side pieces of wood. Yes it's 'only' on the sides, but these are bigger than the spine by some margin.
@zjaml
@zjaml 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this great high quality comparison! CA78 for me : )
@barbaramarshall5271
@barbaramarshall5271 4 жыл бұрын
With the wireless software, is it compatible with hearing aids and mobile phones? I would love to stream music to my hearing aids or headphones that I can wear over my ears with hearing aids.
@ljl451
@ljl451 4 жыл бұрын
Based on your experience, is it easy to find technicians able to service those instruments and keep them in top shape conditions? I know that it is easy to find technicians able to change the contacts below the keys, but what about the other wearable parts that the action involves?
@judsonmusick3177
@judsonmusick3177 4 жыл бұрын
Well, if you get the Kawai you can simply take it to the Kawai dealer. Kawai has been making acoustic pianos for 93 years, so they certainly know how to keep an action well-regulated and maintained. I have no idea if the Roland action can be service or repaired.
@TheWizardgae
@TheWizardgae 4 жыл бұрын
Hi there, great comparison! I was wondering, can you turn up the volume more than a real piano would sound on the CA78? Thanks!
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 4 жыл бұрын
Hey there, thanks for the compliment! It would depend on the piano. The CA78 is loud enough that it might out-play a small acoustic like a 44 or 45". It would still be less than the total dynamic range of a 48" or taller upright, or any grand. Thanks! -STu
@TheWizardgae
@TheWizardgae 4 жыл бұрын
@@MerriamPianos Ok nice!! Thanks for reply!! 🙏 Have a good day!
@MrTech-ch5in
@MrTech-ch5in 3 жыл бұрын
I used to go to the school for piano!
@omedome2787
@omedome2787 3 жыл бұрын
Although it's a nice instrument, the function buttons above the keys on the Roland, including little lcd screen, make me dismiss it immediately. Kawai sounds a bit better to me also, but that's personal. Awesome review, thank you!
@abbyfoster2016
@abbyfoster2016 4 жыл бұрын
Question for you--I live in New Mexico, and one of the reasons I'm looking at digital over acoustic pianos is that the desert isn't kind to wood pianos, and with little kids I can't commit to humidifying it properly, etc. So my question is about the key action in these and similar digital pianos. Would the dryness of being in the desert damage the wood in the keys over time? The grand feel action in the CA78 sounds like it must be wonderful to play, but it sounds like the Roland action is, well, more computery and less actual wood involved, and I'm wondering if that might be a better choice for where I live. What do you think? TIA!
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Abby! I would skip over any CA*8 models and only look at the the latest GF actions on the CA49/59/79/99...they have a completely different way of dealing with the contact point between the back of the wood keystick and the cap-stand, and by all accounts is going to be much more durable in dryer climates. The DP from Roland will be entirely unaffected as far as I can tell, since the wood key isn't a solid piece, its laminated sections of wood attached to a plastic core. So from my perspective, Kawai's improvements to that GFIII action make this more a choice of feel and personal preference vs a logistical choice based on climate. Between the CA78 and DP603 specifically I'd definitely go DP603. (so my comments are strictly related to the 49/59/79/99 models) -stu
@abbyfoster2016
@abbyfoster2016 4 жыл бұрын
@@MerriamPianos thanks so much, that's really helpful!
@RainRedMusic
@RainRedMusic 4 жыл бұрын
Is there a kawai keyboard that has that lighter feeling when you play faster that you could recommend?
@marinasorbelli3681
@marinasorbelli3681 4 жыл бұрын
Jamie Rain - Redflufflykins for velocity by yourself a Bluetner. Dump Kawai.
@rafalmikolajczuk2390
@rafalmikolajczuk2390 4 жыл бұрын
Roland DP is compact cabinet two speaker d. piano. Bass has been turned up or microphone position is wrong. Roland does not sound normally like that. It has slightly electronic sound but need to listen carefully to hear it. KAWAI 78 is second from the top. Roland's equipment is LX. I don't get why these two pianos are compared. It's like compare Kia ceed and Merc E class.
@philipcastro4786
@philipcastro4786 4 жыл бұрын
Roland LX706 and 708 use the new hybrid grand keyboard action. A step up from PHA50. Comparing the Lx 705 or 706 model would have been a more even match up
@scdobserver835
@scdobserver835 4 жыл бұрын
But price wise?
@davidavard8461
@davidavard8461 4 жыл бұрын
​@@scdobserver835 Street price on the Kawai CA78 is around $4k on KawaiUS.com, and the Roland DP603 is $2500-3k, depending on where you look. The Roland LX 705 (at $3800) is similar in price to the Kawai CA78, but the LX 706 (at $5k) is about $1k more than the Kawai (or about what the Kawai CA98 costs), while the LX 708 (at $6k) being another $1k above the LX706. The link below talks about the new Rolands in great detail, and compares them to the Kawais. azpianonews.blogspot.com/2019/10/review-roland-hp702-704-lx705-706-708-gp607-609-digital-piano.html Of course, Kawai is soon to release their updated CA79 model (and CA99) with a new "Grand Feel III" keyboard (on their website). :) The digital piano war can only benefit the consumer, as better products come out and the "good" stuff filters down to the mid and intro level products.
@Mat-hr1dg
@Mat-hr1dg 4 жыл бұрын
@@davidavard8461 Bwahahaa what?! U.S. prices are crazy. But I noticed that on the other once too. Yamaha and Roland are consistently too pricey for their offerings all over Asia and Europe because Kawai tends to outprice them with a subjectively better competing product. ES8 for example goes for 1200 naked and 1350 full piano style with wooden stand and 3 peddles. Naked P515 and Roland fp90 are starting 1450 and 1550 respectively. In the U.S. Roland and Yamaha are priced similarily but Kawai prices are off the charts. I guess they didn't get a good import deal or the demand is just too low due to lack of brand recognition. Street price of the Kawai has been 2500-2700 for years in Europe and even less in Japan and Korea, now that the successor was announced it even dropped a little and the Roland goes for 3100 upwards worldwide.
@saifterai4610
@saifterai4610 4 жыл бұрын
The Kawai CA-78 is sampled from the Shigeru, Roland's sound is not sampled. The sound on a Roland is created using signal processing. As Stu correctly said, it will be a personal preference between the two.
@Ruvi5000
@Ruvi5000 4 жыл бұрын
Jesus Christ how turned the bass up to 11 on the roland, personally kawai sounds much nicer
@nandoflorestan
@nandoflorestan 4 жыл бұрын
Having owned Roland digital pianos, I do not believe for a second that the Roland sound in this video is an accurate representation. There is something tremendously wrong with it.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 4 жыл бұрын
Nando Florestan we have redone this video and will be posting within days with a correction. The audio experienced some very odd phasing or compression as a result of the mono signal. The new video is full stereo and is a much better representation. Thanks for the comment! -Stu
@timoteiirimia571
@timoteiirimia571 4 жыл бұрын
Me too! My Roland fp30 sounds better:))
@jasminschenck4966
@jasminschenck4966 4 жыл бұрын
Einfach krass 💗🧡 💖
@marinasorbelli3681
@marinasorbelli3681 4 жыл бұрын
Old Steinway (150 yo may be): white, big concert grand with absolutely yellow ivory keys I used to play as a girls in StbPetersburg, had this bright, short and reverberation sound as Roland. Some lighter tuner Blueetners also sounded like that, all critics of Roland and voters for Kawai (digital, not digital sounds like something wet and covered with piece of cloth) apparently didn’t play on many fine profs pianos. I personally prefer warmth, depth and basses in Concert Fursters, but don’t my to have bright fun on Roland. For me, who olayed on, probably, 14 to 15 German made ( among Americans I care oomph about MasonH), Kawai definitaly👇
@pearltwo4530
@pearltwo4530 9 ай бұрын
I'm confused...do you mean the Roland is closer to the Steinway you used to play than the Kawai?
@helenek5678
@helenek5678 4 жыл бұрын
not a good/fair tonal comparison. Should have EQ'd the Roland to sound more similar to a concert piano instead of an Elton piano! The native sound on the Roland is similar to the "crystal elec" voice in the Kawai set. Also the gain was greater on the Kawai.
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 4 жыл бұрын
helenek Hi there, you raise a good question about how to best present sounds. I came to the conclusion that editing the sound, whether in post or onboard, may create the impression of a manipulated comparison. I agree that you could manipulate the Roland to sound less bright, just as you could manipulate the Kawai to sound more bright, but ultimately they are played here with “out of the box” settings for as true a side by side match up as possible. Thanks for the comments Helenek! -Stu
@ameermaher7014
@ameermaher7014 4 жыл бұрын
11:11 No need to look at any other comparison!
@jobsucks
@jobsucks 2 жыл бұрын
I like the piano sound of the Kawai much more. The piano sound on the Roland sounds some what muted and electronic to me. The Kawai sounds like a real Grand. At least to my ears in this audio setup
@user-yb4sf4zw3v
@user-yb4sf4zw3v 4 жыл бұрын
10:31 11:12 11:46 12:19 13:00 13:59
@mrdeen5532
@mrdeen5532 4 жыл бұрын
Easy win for Kawai
@marinasorbelli3681
@marinasorbelli3681 4 жыл бұрын
Mr Deen easy win for German sounding Roland.
@germanshepherdlover2613
@germanshepherdlover2613 4 жыл бұрын
Kawai sounds like a piano, Roland sounds like a digital piano in a tin can
@GG_Bridge
@GG_Bridge 4 жыл бұрын
As a bunch have mentioned the Roland sounds terrible .. tinny. How can there be such a difference, I've listened to the Roland LX706 and it's beautiful sounding.
@namakudamono
@namakudamono 4 жыл бұрын
Both pianos sound like they were recorded in mono...
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 4 жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks for the comment, and yes, great ear! For this video, the audio recorder recorded both pianos from the mono out on the back of each piano...again nice catch. We understand the importance of having stereo versus mono, so everything shot as of last week is consistently capturing the instruments in full stereo. Thank you for watching!
@namakudamono
@namakudamono 4 жыл бұрын
@@MerriamPianos Thank you for your reply, and for confirming that the sound produced by both instruments was recorded in mono (and therefore not a true reflection of how these pianos actually sound when played in person, listened to through headphones, or recorded in stereo). Regarding the second sentence, did you intend to write "...all of our new reviews [from now on] *will* use stereo sound? Your recent Novus NV10 review recorded the instrument in stereo and sounded great, so hopefully you're able to reproduce that production quality with future videos. Thanks again!
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 4 жыл бұрын
@@namakudamono Exactly :) From here on in, consistently stereo - I just edited the prior response to be more clear. Thanks again!!
@namakudamono
@namakudamono 4 жыл бұрын
@@MerriamPianos Great! I look forward to seeing (and hearing) more videos from you in the near future. Keep up the good work!
@judsonmusick3177
@judsonmusick3177 4 жыл бұрын
The Kawai CA78 sounds very close to a real acoustic piano. The Roland DP 603 sounds twangy and artificial.
@marinasorbelli3681
@marinasorbelli3681 4 жыл бұрын
Judson Musick Tespectfulyyk nothing can be mor far from truth
@zyggy22
@zyggy22 8 ай бұрын
The Roland sounds like a toy compared with the Kawai which has a much more open,realistic sound
@MerriamPianos
@MerriamPianos 8 ай бұрын
It comes down to a matter of preference of course. They're both wonderful instruments, but each one offers a slightly different character musically. :)
@AL-ns1jm
@AL-ns1jm 2 жыл бұрын
too much talk. too less music
Does ChatGPT know more about Pianos than I do?
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