Exactly.

Well said, couldn’t agree with you more. 🌹

Fair comment

We will wait and see. I hold high hopes though that he will be honest

I want someone not synonymous with Dishonesty. And Starmer is dishonest

Just the usual charmless bad grace from Truss. She so deserved to lose.

Such a graceless individual ! She won’t be missed !

I’m 😊

Yes indeed. Liz Truss however: mmm

What? OMFG!

No Jan 6th here things can only get better. Sour grapes to the losers.

Their words for each other gave me some hope actually. Yes these last few years have been disastrous for the UK, and yes a peaceful handover of power shouldn’t be remarkable, but it gave me heart. Maybe we can be honourable and gentlemanly/gentlewomanly again.

Yeh I thought rishi spoke well for maybe the first time ever in his speech. All very respectful, efficient and swift changeover.

😂👍

Her what?!?!

Why does Race ever have to come into the equasion ...ever?

@@noramartin96 Because if it doesn't, that might be the dreaded woke!!!! (I like woke.)

@@noramartin96 You labelling race as irrelevant is case in point. Race should be talked about and not be dismissed. Turning a blind eye because it’s not relevant to you is part of the problem. Maybe if you had ever had to deal with it, you might have a different view.

Seriously what is the point of voting Lib Dem? What policy do they have that isn’t total nonsense

​@@stevenesbitt3528It was a tactical vote to stop the Tories winning.

I would not be surprised if some of those stand at the next election. A large part of that majority was due to Reform, who will have less impact in 5 years time. So I'd expect the next election to be more traditional in it's result. Labour to win, Libs to get a high percentage but fewer seats, majority to under 100.

They also started saying publicly things they'd only ever said in private. That was the effect reform had on them. Subtlety and nuance gave way to gaslighting and outright offence.

Their usual voter base was offered another option. This constituency Reform took away enough votes for Labour to win. The Tories have rarely faced much competition in their end of the pool; I suspect Reform cost them enough votes for usually second-place parties to slip through.

@@DharricRolyat so you're saying Reform caused a Tory loss of 244 seats, and basically it had nothing to do with Labour?

Unfortunately some voters thought the tories weren’t bad enough and voted for Reform instead. This left multiple open goals for Labour.

There were also tactical voting sites so voters were able to get behind the progressive party most likely to dislodge the Tories. Hence the boost the LibDems and Greens got too.

And Labour’s vote share has fallen. And so try that argument with Reform and expect the rancid Farage and Tice to bury you alive with some very uncomfortable facts.

Reform are nothing without farraige, but he can’t hide from scrutiny now. He’s too thin skinned and the pressure will be enormous. Get rid of farraige and reform are dead

I think it has changed, in the same way right wing populism has in general. There's more overtness, more anger, more confabulation and conspiracy theory bedded in there. It's absolutely right that the way you deal with them, in the end is to try to address the genuine concerns people have, and ignore the crazies. Because all parties are coalitions, you can starve a party like Reform by reducing the genuine grievances, and forcing them to double down on socially unpalatable behaviours, which will marginalise them, reducing the number of people willing to be associated with them. This is also why the rightward shift for the Conservatives was suicidal. It just re-enforced that set of attitudes in their own voters, who consequently saw the Tories as insufficiently pure, insufficiently willing to take action. They fed the beast that longed to devour them. You have to starve the beast by taking the best actions you can, having a sane and serious public conversation about issues like immigration, and refusing to feed into the psychosis that thrives on conflict and anger. The Tories are at genuine risk of implosion if they try to be Reform while Reform still exists. And they will drive away moderate Conservatives in the process of failing to do it.

Difference is Reform now has 5 MPs and will gain a lot more influence in parliament and in the media. So yes they’ve grown in appeal. Social media has helped them too as no longer rely on MSM. You seem a bit clueless

Reform have been hilarious IMO. They started saying they were going to be the Opposition and on social media they were going even further, paying trolls everywhere to say they were going to win. And now…? A tiny inconsequential number of MPs. And more importantly a load of sour grapes. They’ve shown who they are, which is a party of bitter whingers, whiners and moaners.

Absolutely. It's the combination of the uncharismatic specs and the rhetorical channelling of the Methodist ministers of my childhood, preaching about service and hard work. Not a tone the younger me enjoys, but I do respect it. Atlee provides an encouraging precedent for understated, unglamorous success.

The Rest is Politics (Podcast) By ex MP and advisor in Gov Newsagents (Podcast) by current political commentators and journalists Political Currency (Podcast) by two ex MPs who served in Labour and Conservative governments Inside Briefing (Podcast) by a think tank I like to listen to those not by TV broadcasters or Newspapers

From the view of the establishment media which is blatantly biased - no thanks

Left Leaning as all the MSM are

If you are left, then it’s the best place lol

I have a horrible feeling he styles it like that on purpose. Hope I'm wrong and it's just that he has to pass a rosebush on his way out in the mornings.

That hairstyle will start a meme.

I think she meant it as a compliment. Like ‘not over-rehearsed’ (as Rishi was so often)

It's bit like Beth Rigby commenting on Angela Rayner's phone bag today. Suggesting it was emblematic of this more working class government. A bit patronising, I thought.

Not sure it was a compliment. Thought it was an odd comment. Particularly given Rishi's stilted start as PM and his bedraggled election announcement - never mind shambolic Truss and Johnson before him.

Would be better with ) MP's from the limited company. Limited is a key word to describe them.

she was definitely trolling him "I'm the brains of the operation'

She has all the money and the power

Exactly, they have as many MPs as reform, their most ever, and yet don't even get mentioned in the run down of the results.

Absolutely. They had a phenomenal campaign. Onward and toward I hope.

Crazy cult.

@@stephfoxwell4620 leather sofas

can’t agree more. it’s so refreshing

They’ll get to number ten before farraige ever does !

Honestly it was a big complicated election, probably the most complicated one we've ever had. There was news all over it. The Conservatives, Labour, the Liberal Democrats, the SNP, the Greens, Reform, and yes absolutely SF and the DUP and PC and so on. And in that context sometimes you just don't perfectly capture everything first time.

N. Ireland is so out there that generally it's safest to avoid talking about it, also they don't sit so don't have any impact on Parliament.

SF don't take their seats. True, they did well and that may be the point you're making, but their MPs won't be in parliament doing anything.

They choose not to attend the HoC

Let's split the difference on that one. It is and it isn't. An issue can have variable salience. For instance people had a variety of views on the EU before 2016, but it wasn't a high priority issue, it ranked about seventh on average in polling. When the referendum happened it suddenly became intensely important to a lot of people. But the importance is not strictly the same as the preference, or voting intention. Scottish independence is off the radar, not just in terms of plausibility, but in terms of priorities. That's the view we do have to take.

You seem to think something has happened to make independence less necessary and/or desirable. Trust me, it hasn't.

@@grahamniven … for 50% of Scots.

Which is exactly my point. Glad we agree 😁

Tbf a lot of independence supporters have been claiming that support for SNP was support for independence, when the SNP numbers were high. Now they're low, suddenly there's no correlation. The problem SNP have had is that they can't show success without independence because that undermines their call for independence. So they sort of had to do a bad job and blame Westminster.

The flat at 10 Downing Street is very small, there isn't much packing or unpacking needed

@@johnking5174 I'd still like no know that organizing of the process, and I think others would too.

@@dianapatterson1559 James O'Brien has a call in radio show on LBC every weekday, mostly politics & current affairs, but the last hour on Thursday is special, that's Mystery hour. People call in with questions & others call in with answers. This is the kind of question where you may get the owner of the moving company answering. I'd say give him a ring.

Article on this on the Guardian.

Lol did u not catch the taxi leaving? As we were all watching Keir enter downing Street u seen a taxi flitting 😅 no joke

Isn't that typical "the English"? Don't you think other countries had already enough of examples of British Government?

@@marleneMS I don't agree for two reasons. In recent years we've had a succession of graceless leaders that have done a great deal of damage to international relations, therefore it was in our interest to do such a reset. Secondly, the UK now has a centre-left government when other countries are turning more towards right-wing populism which we have seen in the US and Brazil and they have left messy transitions of power when they lose. It's an example being set not through any sense of UK superiority as you suggest but through a sense of empathy; it says that both sides of our political divide can accept change after a tumultuous time. Hope you appreciate the points, if you don't, that's okay; in true democratic fashion, we're allowed to disagree 😁

Well integrity in politics only lasted a few days as he appoints Jacqui Smith to the Lords. Following the formation of the Brown ministry in 2007, Smith became the first female Home Secretary. She resigned as Home Secretary in June 2009 following her involvement in the parliamentary expenses scandal in which she had falsely claimed that a room in her sister's house was her main home; she was also the subject of controversy after it emerged that her husband had used taxpayer money to purchase pornographic videos. Smith, one of the highest profile figures involved in the scandal, then lost her seat as MP for Redditch in the 2010 general election.

The USA uses FPTP.

I'm not sure how anyone can look at a party winning a landslide from just 20% of the electorate and say this is a sign of a healthy democracy!!

Nah. A greater israel will be harder to achieve with Starmer in post. People saying otherwise have another agenda, whatever that might be.

@@mikepost8965 I've got news for you, it's defacto already reality.

To be fair, what now is pretty much "He's having a cabinet meeting and running to the US", I don't think we can hope to know much more at this stage until announcements, leaks or other information come out.

The man is foul. I can’t imagine he’d want to do it as any sort of scrutiny wouldn’t go do well.

Hope they feel better soon, and manage to elect a proper representative next time.

Reform got 5 in the end

Clacton, Ashfield, Yarmouth, Basildon-Thurrock, Boston-Skegness I find interesting that Ashfield has got something in common with the other coastal seats they got

@@methanedirigible That extra 1 miffed me to an irrational degree. I so wanted them not to have more than the Greens - especially as one of their main "selling points" is being anti-green...

@@annphillips1086 Agreed. Now they can go on about how ‘successful’ their election was.

Check your device. My iPad sound is ok.

Except to his wife.

@@grizredford8407 You beat me to it :)

Yes - they’ve already erected gallows down at Whitehall. Apparently Boris is up this afternoon.

He says "this century" i.e. since 2000.

Because there's a hint of euphoria? That happens with adrenaline and exhaustion a lot of the time, and it is an exciting situation for a journalist to cover an election. I don't mind who they voted for one way or the other, but that's the point, one shouldn't presume, it's the right of every citizen to vote as they wish, and for no one else to ever know which box they crossed in the privacy of the ballot box.

and?

They are Londoners course they voted Labour

@@simonkapadia7582 i didn't sense euphoria more bias really and a lack of nuance but maybe your right it might be down to the euphoria, because they didnt say anything different from say the New Statesmen pod.

@@jakehowie442 they may live in London, not sure any of them are from London.

The adults that last time they were in created benefits Britain, Bankruptcy, illegal wars and the expenses scandal just to name a few 😂 you don't look young enough to be naive about what happens in the end every time we have a Labour government

You use ‘global’ as an insult I see.

So the largest percentage of those who voted, voted for Starmer?

@@methanedirigible Of those who voted -34 percent voted Labour. This is not an overall majority, the majority of people who voted didn’t vote Labour. Labour was the most popular party. No other party got more votes. In a multi-party system this is how democracy works.

@@garethking1639 Indeed. You could also say that the majority of voters chose progressive parties.

@@methanedirigible indeed

country’s and done some polling about 2029 have you?

The sound is ok from my iPad, check your device.

Give up Ivan

Woke is being nice to and about people. It'll never catch on.

Who is going to change it?

This is true. If you add the progressive Vs. broadly conservative votes together - how did the public actually vote?

@@methanedirigible If you combine the Tories with Reform, and Labour with the Greens and Liberal Democrats, you end up with 40% conservative and 53% progressive. Which is not a million miles away from what has just happened in France. Over the last few decades we've allowed ourselve to fall for the idea that the right is an unstoppable electoral juggernaught before which the left cowers in fear, but the truth is that if the left stand their ground we're more than a match for whatever the right tries to throw at us.

London’s mayoral elections are now FPTP too thanks to the Elections Act 2022 (introduced by Kemi Badenoch)

No, they can't. They're journalists, not mindreaders.

Pipe down now !!! You had your go…you absolutely blew it