New Haven Metal Planer Restoration - Part 26: Scraping the Ways on the Machine Base

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Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org

Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org

4 жыл бұрын

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@leiferickson9666
@leiferickson9666 4 жыл бұрын
My Dad, a machine repair man had special plates for checking different machines, he did not use a giant table that is cumbersome to work with. There is plates around the country, maybe you should investigate, Keith. I do enjoy watching your vids, as I am a retired machinist, for life....🛶🍁PS Dad called them master plates....🛶🍁
@mhansl
@mhansl Жыл бұрын
Like a lot of us, yourself included, Keith, I was not pleased with the thought of those beautifully machines surfaces being scraped up. However, your mastery shows in how amazing that crosshatching looks. Well done.
@thefixerofbrokenstuff
@thefixerofbrokenstuff 4 жыл бұрын
Do you remember the "Wooly Willy" toys? The scrapings inside of a framed photo of a certain machinist would make a great give away gift.
@jimhumphrey
@jimhumphrey 4 жыл бұрын
My back is hurting just watching. A young man's job! LOL I just heard you say your back is hurting. Put those shavings in a glass container and keep them on a shelf in your office. In 20 years you'll be glad you did.
@ROBRENZ
@ROBRENZ 4 жыл бұрын
Looking good Keith! ATB, Robin
@chetleonard169
@chetleonard169 4 жыл бұрын
You have a better video approval rating than the Superbowl HalfTime show!! lol zero dislikes.
@CraigLYoung
@CraigLYoung 4 жыл бұрын
Kudos, Keith! How about weighing those scrapping at the end to give us an idea how much you renoved.
@markgoddard2560
@markgoddard2560 4 жыл бұрын
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@jerrycoleman2610
@jerrycoleman2610 4 жыл бұрын
Keith, I’m just amazed at all the work it takes to get one of these machines ready for it’s first operation, I’m enjoying all your videos on this New Haven plainer, thanks for sharing.!.!.!.
@ohcrapwhatsnext
@ohcrapwhatsnext 4 жыл бұрын
I enjoy your persistence with a job. Your one of the type of guys who made america what it has grown to. American ingenuity and hard work made us a dominate country.... Great work Keith...
@Rorschach1024
@Rorschach1024 2 жыл бұрын
Back when we remanufactured steel mill roll grinders, we would use red lead on the base, and Prussian blue on the carriage. Worked well for contrast.
@stumccabe
@stumccabe 4 жыл бұрын
I'm loving this restoration. Thanks Keith.
@TERRYRONALDRACKLEY
@TERRYRONALDRACKLEY 4 жыл бұрын
It,s good that an old machine is restored and not melted down.
@ericcommarato7727
@ericcommarato7727 4 жыл бұрын
Loved the sawhorse video, glad to see you putting them to use.
@stevenmayhew3944
@stevenmayhew3944 4 жыл бұрын
Thinking about those sags on the ways reminds me of the fact that when you look at a real house, everything looks exact, but on cartoons, you often see things like doors that have sides tapered so that the bottom is narrower (or wider) than the top and that the top is tilted such that the left side is lower than the right. News flash! Real houses are more like the cartoon ones than you think, but you don't know it unless you are trying to do some repairs, remodeling, wallpapering, or other modifications on the house. Same with the ways on your planer as they make invisible sags. Perhaps, you can make a cartoon of such a machine so old and beat-up that these sags really show up along with other imperfections!
@joeromanak8797
@joeromanak8797 4 жыл бұрын
Steven Mayhew - I helped with a restoration of a friends house. There was some flaw in the original engineering/construction cause 60 years later, the house was leaning towards his neighbors house at an angle the measured about 7/8” over 4’. We had to replace 32” doors with 30” doors and still couldn’t get them completely plumb in the rough opening. I don’t know what the place looks like now but if that house is now supported by the neighbors house, it wouldn’t surprise me.
@Jeppe.P.Bjerget
@Jeppe.P.Bjerget 4 жыл бұрын
What a fantastic job. I am out of words. Best wishes from Jan in Norway
@viboquet
@viboquet 4 жыл бұрын
Hello Keith, you really do your job as a craftsman, good luck and watch your back because it's very hard work A +
@donaldnaymon3270
@donaldnaymon3270 4 жыл бұрын
Great work Keith. Great video. Gantry crane is a must have with all the heavy equipment. Thank you for sharing.
@jasonh3109
@jasonh3109 4 жыл бұрын
Wow!! Such a great series Keith. Truly a first of its kind. Great to see!!!!!
@WayneT51
@WayneT51 4 жыл бұрын
Looking very good Keith. I did feel sorry for your back. I'm looking forward to the next vid. Greetings from down under. 🇦🇺
@terminalpsychosis8022
@terminalpsychosis8022 4 жыл бұрын
Better to take your time and do it right. This is endsport now. So much work to move the 3/4 ton "straightedge", but so worth it. Great to se it so close on the first print. That ol' gal is going to be better than out of the factory now after all this. Loving this series. Very impressive. Respect, Mr Rucker, and thanks for sharing. These videos are a lot of work too. It is appreciated. Lookin' forward to the next!
@charlescompton4495
@charlescompton4495 4 жыл бұрын
Hope the weather passed with no damage! As a bricklayer I know about the back ache. My belly got in the way of my hinge! Looking forward to seeing the planer ready to demonstrate how they used to do it. Thanks for the video, Greg.
@garygenerous8982
@garygenerous8982 4 жыл бұрын
Stay safe Keith, and thanks for bringing us along for the ride!
@ElectricGears
@ElectricGears 4 жыл бұрын
I think you might want to consider making a spreader frame for the chain basket so the hooks will be pulling vertically. It could just be a rectangle of square tubing with plates at the corner and notches in the plates to receive the chain. Even thought the hooks are mounted in the correct 1/4 and 3/4 positions the angle of the bracket legs and height of the hooks are bending the center of the table downward. You might be getting some false contact in the center when you initially lower it on to the ways of the machine. It might not be a problem, but should be considered. You could put a long straight edge across the table with a tenths indicator and see if there is any measurable dip as it's lifted off the saw horses. On this same subject it would be interesting to see the results of a second autocollimator test of the bed after the weight of the gantry and cutting head are attached. I would guess that they are heavy enough to make a measurable deformation. I hope the middle legs are positioned to be directly under this load but they might not be.
@fredygump5578
@fredygump5578 4 жыл бұрын
This is getting exciting! When I saw the first video of this machine, back when it was first introduced, which must have been a couple years ago, I was really curious to know more about what it was and how it was used. Looks like it won't be much longer before it is up and running!
@davidgagnon2849
@davidgagnon2849 4 жыл бұрын
You can save those shavings and make a "Wooly Willie" game for children or grandchildren!
@toolbox-gua
@toolbox-gua 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, protect your back. Indeed a huge job, but it’s looking so good!
@FredMiller
@FredMiller 4 жыл бұрын
Looking great Keith...
@sheriffroylambifs894
@sheriffroylambifs894 4 жыл бұрын
Keith, knowing what I know, I am giving you A 7~STARR RATING ******* on your scrapping !!! p.s. KEEP THOSE SHAVINGS AS PROOF FOR & OF YOUR HISTORY !!!
@precisionmachineshed
@precisionmachineshed 4 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to seeing this machine run. I've been keeping my eye out for a smaller one, but as you know they don't pop up very often.
@crockteerden4023
@crockteerden4023 4 жыл бұрын
I can attest to the back aching! Been there and done that. Both power scraping and hand scraping. Scraping Vee ways having to lean or reach is a man killer, thankfully I am retired after 40+ years as a machine tool rebuilder.
@HH-Machining
@HH-Machining 4 жыл бұрын
You are getting progress on your scraping hands, good looking pattern there! Cant wait the next video, this is very interesting project :)
@ruperthartop7202
@ruperthartop7202 4 жыл бұрын
Great progress Keith. Thanks for sharing
@kevinmartin7760
@kevinmartin7760 4 жыл бұрын
Rather than etching ink, look for "rubber base" printing ink. This is an ink that does not harden or dry, so you don't have to worry about the ink not staying wet if it takes a long time to ink everything up. Also, if you leave it overnight it won't be any more difficult to clean off.
@P61guy61
@P61guy61 4 жыл бұрын
This is extremely interesting. Thank you for posting. I went through that same weather front. We had what I’d estimate as 55-65 mph winds. Didn’t have power for most of the day. GOOD decision to go inside.
@Improveng1
@Improveng1 4 жыл бұрын
Nice work Keith, really interesting to watch
@andreblanchard8569
@andreblanchard8569 4 жыл бұрын
I would shorten up the drive loop on that chain hoist so that the bottom is about 14 inches above the table. So that it is not dragging on the edges of the table. No need for it to go to the floor.
@kevinreardon2558
@kevinreardon2558 4 жыл бұрын
I pray you and your own are safe and sound.
@vendter
@vendter 4 жыл бұрын
I just finished 2 of your 9" straight edges and my arms were tired. I can't imagine doing ways that long!
@WillyBemis
@WillyBemis 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Keith!
@paulmace7910
@paulmace7910 4 жыл бұрын
Since the table was ground it makes sense that you can use it as a reference. What if it wasn’t bad enough to be ground or you didn’t have access to a big grinder? How do you do those v-ways? Flat is with a straightedge. Coplanar is with a Kingway fixture. How do you get the triangular cross section? A vee section straightedge?
@boubaros
@boubaros 4 жыл бұрын
at 6:20 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/n9WAlNWdmMDHY6s.html
@andrewp4184
@andrewp4184 4 жыл бұрын
I'm in awe of your perseverance with this scraping job, that is a large area for sure. Also looking at all those large square cut gears, I think this machine is going to be very noisy in operation.
@aserta
@aserta 4 жыл бұрын
Get yourself a back support belt. I use one all the time when i work outside my center of gravity and i'm just 30. Make sure you buy a proper one, not just any that says "back support". It's really worth having one.
@googleuser859
@googleuser859 4 жыл бұрын
I agree it feels like it makes a difference, the real key is to strengthen your core, that's the way to help yourself with back issues. It's not always easy and not possible for some though.
@forrestaddy9644
@forrestaddy9644 4 жыл бұрын
Or a "leanin' post you can plant your chest and belly against. Slip a 2 x 6 about 6 ft long down into the bed when youre scraping on the far way. Block it as you need to adjust the angle. Move it from bay to bay as you scrape. Whatever weight the post is taking is that much less strain on your back. Trust me, I've been there. Having something to lean your chest against might make the difference between living a normal life and funding a college education for your chiroprator's kids. The Biax weighs 10 lb or so perfect for screwing up your back. One trick I've found very effective is a spring tool suspension to carry the weight of the Biax. No need to get fancy. I use a $4 screen door spring I bought at Lowes back when. Knot a string sling about 18" long. Basket hitch it around the Biax at the balance point so it hangs naturally at your preferred angle. Hang the basket hitch from the spring and the spring from the crane hook you have right there. If re-rigging the crane and moving the crane back and forth is a PITA, hang the tool from a trolley running in a length of garage door track way up in the rafters.
@JoeInBendigo
@JoeInBendigo 4 жыл бұрын
I'm listening intently to Keith and also reading the comments here thoroughly. I have also done a fair bit of scraping myself. I'm in the same boat as Keith (but not the same class) with my horizontal Milling machine: I had all the ways and surfaces precision ground. But I had intended to FLAKE just one side of all the ways, not both, for lubrication and to reduce stiction. Then I was going to print the result and correct any minor errors with scraping on the flaked surfaces only. On the table ways I was going to flake the underside of the ways so that swarf and dust gets wiped off the ground top surfaces by the wipers, without a chance of getting 'caught' in any scraping. Keith appears to intend scraping both surfaces and started with the upper surface. Yes, he has about a thou to correct he said, I don't have - nor the means to measure or intentions to correct microns on my 36" and 12" up-facing ways. So am I on the wrong track or are there more than one way to skin this cat? What is the logic and consensus, please?
@Pobadill
@Pobadill 4 жыл бұрын
This is a great chance to know exactly the thickness of the removed metal. Please weigh the scrapings and with the area we will know.
@randallanderson4999
@randallanderson4999 4 жыл бұрын
Praying you weather the storm, all safe and sound. Great job on the scrapping. It's wonderful when something so big comes into alignment so well.
@ramaroodle
@ramaroodle 4 жыл бұрын
Surprised at how much shavings there was. Don't know you guys find the time to work a job work in the shop, film it then edit it. Amazing. Thanks.
@elsdp-4560
@elsdp-4560 4 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU...for sharing. Hit the basement Keith storms are coming in.
@sblack48
@sblack48 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve seen blades that were twisted 90 or 45 to make it easier to scrape prismatic ways like on a lathe bed. Might save your back. Imagine hand scraping that!
@dankolar6066
@dankolar6066 4 жыл бұрын
I bet you'll be able to fill an old peanut butter jar clear full of iron shavings. Might be a nice paper weight. Thanks for sharing. Wish you well.
@leeh.4453
@leeh.4453 4 жыл бұрын
Even if the tornado did huff and puff and blow the house down, that stout lady would still be standing there, calling for you to put her top back on.
@boostie1005
@boostie1005 4 жыл бұрын
You need to check the backlash in the gear to rack, metal removed from bed and table so gear centres must be tighter unless you have already accounted for this.
@lancebaltzley4770
@lancebaltzley4770 4 жыл бұрын
Sorry I couldn't come help this week buddy!! Great work!
@homeryoung7436
@homeryoung7436 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Keith
@joeromanak8797
@joeromanak8797 4 жыл бұрын
So, today you worked on scraping the inside of the v-ways on the base. Are you done after that or is there another scraping operation on the positive v’s on the bottom of the table? Still fascinated by this project so you get one of these 👍. Keep on making that gray man-glitter! 😎👍👏
@MF175mp
@MF175mp 4 жыл бұрын
Once the machine is up and running, do you plan on using it to true up mill tables and such before scraping them?
@par4par72
@par4par72 4 жыл бұрын
When I was 16 my dad had me help this old fart (half dead) scrape an old Cincinnati #4 centerless. I couldn't stand it ..or the half dead old fart. That drove away in NEW bone white Cadillac !! I remember thinking then "Man, I can't wait to move out and get a REAL JOB !!" 50 years later ...still in the shop and kicking myself for not paying attention !!! Signed: terminally stupid
@danielcobbins9050
@danielcobbins9050 4 жыл бұрын
And you probably had to scrape by hand. I don't think you had a power scraper like Keith's.
@par4par72
@par4par72 4 жыл бұрын
@@danielcobbins9050 no, it wasn't that. The three surfaces on a #4 are. ..the machine base, steady rest plate, and regulating wheel. All sandwiched. So... Only about 3x3. He showed me how to neg rake the blade and curve. And flex the tool while you flake. A couple of passes and he had great coverage. Float finished....and this was before he scraped the bearing ! Good stuff ... I'm still and ass for not being totally there.
@par4par72
@par4par72 4 жыл бұрын
@@danielcobbins9050 sorry dude. I was going to answer before you lossed me on that trip down memory lane. ....my point: yes we had power scrapers and no: this old fart was OLD SCHOOL, and he knew it. And I didn't. Yo.
@EitriBrokkr
@EitriBrokkr 4 жыл бұрын
Why did you choose to scrap the ways versus the table? When you did the big monarch, you chose to scrape the saddle and not the ways.
@donaldshulman6771
@donaldshulman6771 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Keith - The metal planer is lots of work and time. I am enjoying the restoration very much. So - when will it be completed? Can't wait to see it running!!!
@j-man72b72
@j-man72b72 4 жыл бұрын
I'm somewhat surprised that Keith didn't use a strait edge on the table first then use the table as a strait edge on the base, I know the grinding did a nearly perfect job on the ways, but I would have thought that a getting one set of ways scraped to match a strait edge would be more accurate than the process seen in the video... The only reason I can see to doing it this way first is to get the fitment closer first before using the strait edge, I guess we'll all see soon enough. Take care with your back Keith, it's easy to pull your back out being hunched over for long times, best to break up that process with other tasks that can give your back a rest.
@j-man72b72
@j-man72b72 4 жыл бұрын
@chris0tube Keith has never claimed to be a professional scraper, machining is just a hobby of his, I think he's doing a great job so far and will have this planer working better than it did when new, and have tighter tolerances than new, could it be better? Sure, but this is a hobby, it's also a learning project, what better way to learn and improve than to do it? There is none.
@mfs5493
@mfs5493 4 жыл бұрын
Are there no power scrapers that run under power on a carriage along the V-ways? Ask a company for one to test and give the company some free ad time. Start it off and watch while having a coffee.
@peterihoy4908
@peterihoy4908 4 жыл бұрын
I'd second the advice to get a GOOD Kidney Belt/Back Support. Also, could you perhaps work off a wheeled stool and foot your way backwards down the line? Once you have damaged your back it stays damaged. Ask me how I know :-(. P.S. 'hope the weather misses you.
@200932me
@200932me 4 жыл бұрын
Give the filings to a kid with a magnet and a sheet of glass, loads of fun.
@caeyrudy
@caeyrudy 4 жыл бұрын
Keith!,You have allod of motivation.
@CXensation
@CXensation 4 жыл бұрын
For a non professional viewer like me, its hard to understand that you are actually roughen up a finely machined surface like this, by cross hatching it. Of course this is due to my lack of knowledge on how a scraping actually works and what it does to a surface. Even after watching a couple of videos on the subject, I'm still not confident with the process. Guess I would have to try it, to really understand it.🙂 That makes it highly interesting to watch your work, and i'm confident you'll end up with the most perfect surface you can get. You are not exactly a rookie on this ... 😎
@geraldharvill4699
@geraldharvill4699 4 жыл бұрын
Keith, can't you make your own precision ground stones? You have the grinding machine. You could makes different size stones for special things.
@zHxIxPxPxIxEz
@zHxIxPxPxIxEz 2 жыл бұрын
Need diamond wheels, but yes he could. Probably has too many projects so he just buys them. Along with helping the community
@samuelfielder
@samuelfielder 4 жыл бұрын
Great stuff! I feel this is a prime case where you should take the camera off its tripod and show us some closeups of the way printing. The distant oblique view (even though adjusted) isn't really good enough.
@craigsmith8217
@craigsmith8217 4 жыл бұрын
The rack gear might make a good driver for an oil pump.
@FarmCraft101
@FarmCraft101 4 жыл бұрын
Not a criticism, just curious. Did you check the table for flatness? Typically you would use a scraped straight edge to reference scraping, but you are using the table. Why not scrape in the table first so you have a flat reference for the ways?
@aserta
@aserta 4 жыл бұрын
He checked things out with the autocollimator.
@siggyincr7447
@siggyincr7447 4 жыл бұрын
I think it's just a matter of him trusting that the grind job he had done on the table is flat and parallel. As long as that's the case, fitting one surface to the other is perfectly acceptable. On ways that long, he's already well within normal tolerances for something like this, as he already verified with the auto-colimeter. He's going above and beyond doing this level of fitting.
@infoanorexic
@infoanorexic 4 жыл бұрын
@@siggyincr7447 That is true enough. He could easily have gotten away with simply flaking it for oil retention, and still have it better than original.
@Blackcountrysteam
@Blackcountrysteam 4 жыл бұрын
@@aserta Has he done the top which he is using as the 'master' Ive only watched him check the base with his autocolimator !
@PiotrSarnacki
@PiotrSarnacki 4 жыл бұрын
I also think that only the base was checked in the previous video. I’m not sure if Keith checked the table, but I think maybe he didn’t have to? As far as I remember the top was ground first and then the v-ways, thus the setup in the grinder was pretty solid.
@davidstreeter9426
@davidstreeter9426 4 жыл бұрын
Ihave a question - how does your attention to the planer precision compare to what was done at the factory 130 os years ago?
@51ubetcha
@51ubetcha 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Keith, I'm just kind of thinking out loud here, but please correct me if I'm wrong. The ways on the base are there to support and guide the table. If removing metal from the ways, to some amount, lowers the table in relation to the bull gear. Depending on the amount of clearance between the bull gear and the rack beneath the table and the removal of way metal, wouldn't the bull gear start to bear the weight of the table and loose the guidance of the ways? I hope that I'm getting across what what I'm trying to say.
@Hoaxer51
@Hoaxer51 4 жыл бұрын
51ubetcha, he said he was only going to be removing a thousandths or two. That small amount shouldn’t interfere with the bull gear and the rack.
@51ubetcha
@51ubetcha 4 жыл бұрын
You are correct Tim, but how much was removed when the ways were ground. Also I don't know how much clearance as they between the bull gear and table rack to start with.
@Hoaxer51
@Hoaxer51 4 жыл бұрын
51ubetcha, Keith has said in earlier videos that they had ground the same amount off where the rack mounts on the table as they had ground off the ways. It should all line up correctly if they took the same amount off both the ways and the bottom of the table where the track mounts. He actually has the track mounted in this video, so if there is going to be an issue, it should show up right now. This has been a good video series, I know I’ve enjoyed it!
@51ubetcha
@51ubetcha 4 жыл бұрын
@@Hoaxer51 Thanks for info. I have been watching the series,but I must have missed the part where Keith stated the removal of metal for the rack mount.
@Hoaxer51
@Hoaxer51 4 жыл бұрын
51ubetcha, I think he said it when they were at the machine shop that did the grinding. It’s been awhile ago, so I’m not sure which video it actually was. It has been a good series, I’ve enjoyed it also!
@JCisHere778
@JCisHere778 4 жыл бұрын
Will you put one the other axis for final scraping? They must be deforming both the bed and the foundation quite a bit, considering how heavy they are.
@mgmoody42
@mgmoody42 4 жыл бұрын
I know. Tornados in February doesn't seem right at all!
@dougborrett3566
@dougborrett3566 4 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry Keith, for me watching scraping is like watching grass grow or watching paint dry.
@Bodi2000
@Bodi2000 4 жыл бұрын
Interested in what this machine cost new, in 2020 dollars. Then what it cost you when all done... sum of what you paid for it, cost of the surface grinding, and your time at a reasonable cost for someone with the skill to do all your work.
@apachesmokemachining6487
@apachesmokemachining6487 4 жыл бұрын
Be safe mate
@robertharker
@robertharker 4 жыл бұрын
Has Kieth snuck a new machine into the shop or have I missed something. At the end of the video there is the back of a tall gray-green machine with two large access holes. The machine looks to be taller than Kieth. Or am I seeing something he has talked about from a different angle.
@jebowlin3879
@jebowlin3879 4 жыл бұрын
Im curious, I know that iron particulate can get into the air, like when grinding in a grinding room, how much iron gets injected into the air when scraping, that has to be at least some
@lwilton
@lwilton 4 жыл бұрын
Those are mostly really big flakes compared to grinding dust. There also isn't an air flow like there is around a grinding wheel. Most of the stuff will stay within a couple of inches of where it started, and the rest is going to fall pretty much straight down.
@mikebarton3218
@mikebarton3218 4 жыл бұрын
Keep the iron filings to mix with a tiny amount of epoxy for repairs, e.g. Peck holes in a drill table. Good work. Thanks. Mike
@aserta
@aserta 4 жыл бұрын
You never fix it like that, you braze them.
@chrisstephens6673
@chrisstephens6673 4 жыл бұрын
@@aserta surely that depends on whether it is structural or cosmetic. I wouldn't risk heat distortion for the cosmetic repair . Ideally the best way for structural repairs would be spray welding, less heat input and a closer colour match, but go for brazing if that's all you got.
@Hoaxer51
@Hoaxer51 4 жыл бұрын
aserta, I’m curious, why shouldn’t you use that for a peck hole or a blemish? It sounds like a good idea.
@budhrseh2001
@budhrseh2001 4 жыл бұрын
Keith I bet after this scrapping job you were asking yourself, “am I sure I want to continue restoring old machines?”
@otm646
@otm646 4 жыл бұрын
Why not make a hand held fixture, wood could work, so you can hold a normal "flat" position and the power scraper is at the angle you need? Get fancy and attach a tool counterbalance to it.
@ramosel
@ramosel 4 жыл бұрын
Considering the (lack of) granularity of the overall device, is this really necessary or is just a exercise in overkill?? Don't get me wrong, I'm a purveyor of "overkill" myself.
@tomnugent845
@tomnugent845 4 жыл бұрын
Keith, do you also have to scrape the bottom ways on the table, or is the base all?
@garym1550
@garym1550 4 жыл бұрын
I'm waiting to see you hinge your straight edge on this one. ;-)
@Sizukun1
@Sizukun1 4 жыл бұрын
I understand if you have 2 perfectly flat surfaces they'll stick just like reference blocks, but what if you had 1 ground surface and 1 scraped surface? would that not work as well as 2 scraped surfaces?
@joshuablair6120
@joshuablair6120 4 жыл бұрын
No. The process of scraping creates peaks and valleys where the valleys serve as the channel to carry lubrication. If you cut the amount of scraped surfaces in half, you also cut the amount of lubrication in half, and you increase the rate of wear. The surface tension of the lubrication itself keeps the lubrication from falling off the scraped surface (the sliding table in this example).
@Vintageguy73
@Vintageguy73 4 жыл бұрын
For that heavy a part I would source some red lead to print. Looks to me like your material is smearing.
@otm646
@otm646 4 жыл бұрын
The Dykem works ok with lower contact pressures but nothing beats the old lead.
@petemclinc
@petemclinc 4 жыл бұрын
I've been following this series but don't recall Keith ever checking the underside of the table after Cash Masters' grinding job, so I don't how accurate it is. Wouldn't it be better to scrape the table first using a 6' scraped straight edge then scrape the bed using the table as as a straight edge.? That way you can check the co-planer, straightness and flatness of the bed.
@zHxIxPxPxIxEz
@zHxIxPxPxIxEz 2 жыл бұрын
You mean the bottom monting surfaces?
@petemclinc
@petemclinc 2 жыл бұрын
@@zHxIxPxPxIxEz Yes.
@zHxIxPxPxIxEz
@zHxIxPxPxIxEz 2 жыл бұрын
@@petemclinc the grind job should be accurate enough for distortion free clamping
@BlownF150
@BlownF150 4 жыл бұрын
Is there any amount of induced warpage in the top from being lifted? Wondering if a few thousandths are introduced and if it settles out after it is placed on the base.
@MF175mp
@MF175mp 4 жыл бұрын
There always is, not likely very much in this case
@bcbloc02
@bcbloc02 4 жыл бұрын
Did I miss where you printed the v-ways on the table first?
@patwicker1358
@patwicker1358 4 жыл бұрын
Brian, he does it at about 14:15
@bcbloc02
@bcbloc02 4 жыл бұрын
@@patwicker1358 He said he stoned them and cleaned them up. Didn't say he printed them with a straight edge. Maybe decided the ground finish with te table fully supported on Cash's grinder was going to be flatter than what they could produce upside down on saw horses in the shop?
@patwicker1358
@patwicker1358 4 жыл бұрын
@@bcbloc02 I understand, I mis-read your comment.
@TheMetalButcher
@TheMetalButcher 4 жыл бұрын
@@bcbloc02 Hey Brian. He said he we will print the base with the table, then the table to the base. IMO, the table flexes a lot more than the base, but I haven't done the math to see if it's significant.
@bcbloc02
@bcbloc02 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheMetalButcher Sounds like a dangerous gamble. With my luck I would wind up scraping a pair of matching curves instead of flat parallel surfaces. lol Of course maybe he plans to check between scrapings with the autocollimator and bring it in using those measurements as another piece to the puzzle.
@ypop417
@ypop417 4 жыл бұрын
Way to go Keith LOL
@larryshaw6517
@larryshaw6517 4 жыл бұрын
My back hurts for you cannot imagine doing it all by hand they must have used up a lot of apprentices back then.
@watchjaredwork1487
@watchjaredwork1487 4 жыл бұрын
Keith do you have to scrape the top ways too or just the bottom?
@capnthepeafarmer
@capnthepeafarmer 4 жыл бұрын
Why didn't you use a scraped in straight edge? was there any advantage to use the table instead of a straight edge? I saw Abom's video on your work for the shaper and you used a straight edge there. Genuinely curious.
@Broken_Yugo
@Broken_Yugo 4 жыл бұрын
I think it has to do with how well it was ground, we're already at the final matching and adjustment phase. He's considering the table good enough to use as a master, and the double V design means he has to do that at some point anyway.
@mealex303
@mealex303 4 жыл бұрын
It would wring together
@xenonram
@xenonram 4 жыл бұрын
*wring
@kensherwin4544
@kensherwin4544 4 жыл бұрын
Actually the scraping gives air a way to get between the parts and eliminates the possibility of wringing like very smooth gage blocks do.
@xenonram
@xenonram 4 жыл бұрын
@@kensherwin4544 I believe Alex is talking about the beginning when Keith was talking about the ground surface.
@mealex303
@mealex303 4 жыл бұрын
@@xenonram i was thanks
@oleran4569
@oleran4569 4 жыл бұрын
How in the heck do you only get 1700 likes, but over 13500 views on the day of posting? People obviously love this channel, but fail to "like" it.
@softiss
@softiss 4 жыл бұрын
when can we get a 18 v makita scraper ?
@Pamudder
@Pamudder 4 жыл бұрын
How is scraping done by hand?
@virulo77
@virulo77 4 жыл бұрын
el rectificado habia quedado hermoso.porque lo rasqueteastes🤦‍♂️
@forrestaddy9644
@forrestaddy9644 4 жыл бұрын
Keep the swarf and weigh it afer you're done. Make it a contest. I calculate 376 grams if you manage to collect all the swarf..
@mojo6524
@mojo6524 4 жыл бұрын
win the can full of swarf.....
@terminsane
@terminsane 4 жыл бұрын
What if the ways of the male half are out of shape? Don't you need a seperate reference surface?
@stumccabe
@stumccabe 4 жыл бұрын
Terminal Insanity. He has already checked the straightness, "levelness" with the autocollimator in a previous video.
@rennkafer13
@rennkafer13 4 жыл бұрын
@@stumccabe he checked the female half (the planer bed) with the autocollimator, not the male half (the table).
@rennkafer13
@rennkafer13 4 жыл бұрын
@chris0tube If they hadn't already precision ground it, I'd agree. But keeping in mind this is an 1800's planer not a Moore jig bore, he's ok.
@muddkipp_1
@muddkipp_1 4 жыл бұрын
your back killed me at 40X speed
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