KelTecs solution to the lack of an MP7 on the market

Good old keltec actually not being scared to try new things

Whoa, you were NOT supposed to leak the next S&W gun yet! ;)

I love Kel-Tec. They always come up with great ideas, and then a few years later, a better manufacturer will make ones that work.

.22 WMR is a seriously underrated round. As a side note, I am waiting for Smith & Wesson to introduce a carbine version chambered in 22 magnum that is based off of their new 22 magnum handgun.

I love my CMR30. For the past 5 years, it was my squirrel gun. Ridiculously accurate for a stock semi-auto rimfire. I love the trigger. Definitely not my pick for a self-defense gun due to the reliability; but, crazy fun to shoot and pleasant to carry around in the woods. What you've described in your review pretty much mirrors my experience.

The KelTec CMR30 is definitely a unique firearm, and I appreciate your honest and straightforward approach to testing its functionality.

For the stoppages, check the firing pin. Mine started acting up similarly and found that it had actually broken in half.

Chris -- thank you for your transparent and truthful reviews. Please keep telling it like it is.

This is how good Chris and Lucky Gunner are; I have less than zero interest in this gun and I watched the entire video, hanging on every word. LOL

Imagine if Keltec made this idea in 5.7. Not like the strange P50 (that I still enjoy) but a more traditional grip-mag-fed design like this one. It would be an even more capable 'MP7 at home' sub gun and I would be all for it. Actually, you should try this idea with an SBR'd Ruger LC Carbine! That's what I'm thinking of!

Keltec: You can have innovation or you can have quality but you can't have both.

22wmr is my favourite cartridge, I grew up shooting it and I’m alway blown away by what it can achieve with such a small bullet

I’ve had one for a few years now and it always goes to the range with me! It a fun little gun and runs great the only problems I’ve had have been magazine related but the maglula loader helps a lot!

The way you set this up from a purely aesthetic point of view is gorgeous 😍

Wow, the presentation of your videos with facts, analytical break down and cross comparison/evaluation fills one with education perspective.👍

Hey Chris, when I first picked up my CMR-30 a few years ago I managed to develop a reload technique for it that I think significantly helps speed things up, and it's incredibly quick and seamless despite the unusual heel push release. Essentially you use your shooting grip hand to reload (Sacrilege I know) in one fluid motion by dropping your hand, pushing the heel of your palm into the release paddle, catching the mag as it drops, and then either simply dropping it or stowing it as you reach for your new mag, and then seat the fresh mag snugly into the grip with your pinkey as your other fingers find their place on the grip again. This technique lends itself very well to tactical reloads where you retain your magazine since the action of reaching down for the magazine is one in the same with the action of removing the old one. With your support hand keeping the rifle steady shouldered and on target you can get very rapid reloads very reliably without spending too much time reacquiring your target. Give it a try next time you take your "MP7 at home" out to play!

"Can we get an MP7?" "We have the MP7 at home."

Your setup is so clean!!! Always love what Keltec is doing

Beautiful job on the editing and all the info. Thanks for your hard work.

We need a taticool, packable, stackable, straight up laughable carbine! Keltec: *"HOLD MY METH"*

I used to have one they are really good. I know a lot of people had jamming issues, but mine didn't really have those problems. Had to sell it, unfortunately. I sold it because I figured it was the gun I could replace relatively easy.

im just here to say that is a GENIUS way to photograph something for the thumbnail without needing a stand, will keep that idea in mind!

Hi Chris, apperciate the video. Quirks not withstanding, I've loved my CMR 30 for over 3 years now. Only mods was adding a muzzle break that directs the blast forward and a 3-9X variable short scope. I usually shoot the Federal Game Shok 50 grain offerings, with few issues. Also have a vertical forearm grip. All the best! "The JJ" SW Penna.

Really cool build. Too bad about the reliability but that is a sweet concept and I’d love to get some trigger time on a gun like that. Adding the Holosun 3x magnifier was a clever touch. Good piece of budget gear. I was fairly pleased at the velocities you got.

KelTec is, by far, the best R&D firm on the market, they just need some proper manufacturer to do the actual production.

much love for you folks from nashville

Have both the pmr 30 and the Cmr 30. Only fired a 100 or so from the Cmr 30. Zero problems so far. I see no special reason to modify it even though the one you did is way cool. 22mag is my favorite caliber. Not the only caliber I’ll ever shoot but it’s fun and effective for civilian use. My pmr 30 required factory repair. Works fine now. Great vid.

Great review. I think you should look at the Ruger LC Charger. It's about the same form factor as the SBR you created but with a more reliable gun and a better round.

I’ve always loved kel tec for their unique guns. Have a few myself and love the ones I have! This cmr30 is one that’s been on the list for a long time! Edit: I also had interest with a cp33 for a cheek pistol but I’m still lacking a suppressor to make these have the cool factor I want!

Thanks for always keeping your reviews real.

Wow what a great review! I was severely drooling over the toys! Thanks!😎🇺🇸

I think the way you have outfitted this CMR-30 looks great. Nicely done. Regarding the tests you are going to do with the 5.7x28 round, I hope one of the other test subjects will be 327 Fed Mag. Why? Because it would be cool and it is another under appreciated round like the 5.7.

Got to admit it has nice design aesthetics and lightweight

Reminds me of a Feather Industries AT-22 I had back in the 90s. As my first gunsmithing project, I modified it to .22WMR. Reamed the chamber, added a picatinny to the receiver, threaded the barrel, and modified the magazine well to accept Marlin 25MN magazines (some extended aftermarket versions and some my own customized hicaps). Sweet little shooter. So yeah, I already did this YEARS AGO. Wish I hadn't sold it, but my friend kept BEGGING me for it.

Love KelTec. Not afraid to do something interesting and send it out. Reminds me of what car manufactures use to do. If they put more polish and QA into the stuff they sold I would actually buy their stuff.

Great breakdown, Chris! I have been wanting one of these so badly since they came out, hoping to make an "MP7 at home" type build so I can pretend to be a seal. Figured a barrel chop, suppressor, and a PEQ and we're rolling.

Interesting, I’ve had very few issues with mine suppressed or otherwise, but you’re right about when it gets dirty and it does begin to malfunction some. I also experience gas blow back when suppressed but it’s not to bad. It’s an excellent light weight alternative to a 9mm carbine. The 22 magnum is often overlooked as a defense option.

My CMR has ran flawlessly for like 5 years. Its my favorite varmint/coyote truck gun.

I had one of these a few years ago, and a lot of the things you said here rang true. When it's clean, and the mags are loaded properly, this thing was one of my favorites to shoot, with fast follow-up shots and pretty high accuracy to boot. But, that's only when those are met, and if even one of those things are not true, it turns into a jamming machine. I even had to send mine back to Kel-Tec when the bolt blew up on me one time. Maybe it was an older model, or I hadn't cleaned it properly, but that was still an issue that was rather annoying. I sold it after about a year of owning it as I wasn't using it as much, but had the reliability been improved, or the tolerances been loosened, I probably would still have it to the day. It all worked out, as I used the money from selling it to make a fun 10/22, but maybe someday I'll return to it, and give it another try. Chances are I'd probably get an SU-16 beforehand though lol. Great video btw!

Yes, I’m hoping S&W does a CMR clone as well. I have wanted both for a while and seeing S&W make a 30 round 22mag made me want to ditch the idea of getting a PMR, it’s also much better looking.

I really like this concept, I’ve been curious how the Ruger charger in 5.7 might fill a similar role with greater reliability, with the added advantage of being the correct barrel length from the factory, and the ability to add a number of different stock options based on personal preference.

I have kept mine in 16" and never had issues other than accidentally hitting the mag release occasionally. M carbo's mag catch fixed that, and their feed ramp is great, too. We've probably gone around 100 magazines worth of shooting over the years, 6 or 7 magazines at a time, then cleaning. Only a handful of misfeeds, no ejection issues. I guess I got a good one.🎉

I love how they always have this super 80's looking grip texture

Now I'm hoping that Ruger or S&W will copy Kel Tec's homework and make an improved pistol version of this.

I’ve often thought the CMR-30 would make a great truck gun. Something capable of taking out a pest or predator. Also looks menacing enough if defense is required, while still having decent firepower for such a small lightweight package. That reliability though just creates to big of an issue for serious consideration.

I have both the PMR and CMR. They have proven reliable and extremely fun to shoot. I even customized a violin case to hold both along with seven magazines. Compartment in the case where rosin is stored I can use to store a small optic or two boxes of ammo. I'll admit it is a bit odd to use a violin case for this but it works fine and neighbors just think I am a musician. Besides it goes perfectly with my coffin shaped guitar case that holds my Colt SP1 Commando and accessories.

I use 550 cord and a Magpul MS sling on my WASR. I looped the ends to fashion into a cheap ASAP-like attachment for the sling and a single loop up front. Good for having the sling in its intended purpose

The CMR30 is just a PMR30 with extra steps

We have MP7 at home

I just love keltec. Everything they make is like it was made for me

Talk about damning with faint praise! Thanks for the heads-up!

Prefer CP 33, myself.

Absolutely cool, Chris! I dig small PDW/carbines, too. Have you checked out the new Ruger LC Charger in 5.7? 10in barrel, pic rail on the back, and not made by KelTec!

I feel like you need to redo this build with the lc charger. Love the content keep up the good work! I frequently re watch some of your videos haha

This needs to also be chambered 9n 9mm and 40s&w

I'm planning on getting one for livestock defense. Thanks for the review!

Never wanted one before I saw this tan version! Ans you SBR'rd it! Kudos! Very nice! Yes, Please!

The KelTec Bullpup 12 gauge is bad ass. I know a guy who had one and I absolutely love it….

I never thought I'd buy a .22 WMR gun, but then I picked up a Savage B22Mag rifle. Not sure why I bought it, with the lame plastic stock, but it is great fun, much more than any .22LR gun, very accurate, nice and light, now one of my favorites. I have been drooling over the CMR30 too.

This was going to be my solution to mp7 at home for a while, but then ruger went and dropped there line of 57's and now it makes more sense to get the 57 charger and get a folding/collapsing stock on it, don't have to worry about replacing /cutting down the barrel

Keltec makes cool guns that other manufacturers will still and make better over time. . I been whating one of these theo for small game rig.

If it goes up in price now I'm going to be so mad. I've been looking at them specifically for packing the past 4 months 😂 Great video

Ty very informative. Been considering one of these for pest control around the farm

Just bought one and I’m so excited to take it to the range

22WMR is a strong round!Stronger than expected...heck even a tube fed semi auto...Is a good defense gun....Nice video!I really like that kel tech...in close varmint gun....or shoot at everything gun...just for fun...surprised it doesn't have 2 barrels...Maybe 3 barrels it would jam less!...Thanks for the.video...never heard of this gun...until now!

Thanks for the assessment Chris!! You do great work and provide awesome analysis everytime. Looks like I might be getting a varmint gun... 😂

My CMR30 blew up in my hands. I sent it to KelTec for repairs and then immediately sold it. Stay safe and don't cheap out on firearms. That being said one of my favorite guns is my KelTec P17.

Finally took mine out to the range, out 233 rounds, i had two issues, both of which I believe are at the fault of how I loaded the mags. Just failure to feed. I do have the MCARBO ramp and mag release. I love this gun.

I'm an "early adopter" of all thngs Keltec. I never expect my Keltecs to go the distance of milspec. I doubt I've fired more than 100 rounds through any Keltec (after break-in), so reliability (after break-in) has not been a problem. They always go boom when I pull the trigger. The 3AT is my daily carry gun with a belt clip. The only danger in it is that I forget it is there. Not sure if you've reviewed the PMR 30, but now that you've fallen for the CMR 30, time to give us your take on the "little brother" to the CMR 30. Chris, great review as always.

Had no idea you guys were so close in Knoxville. Thats awesome.

Hell yes I enjoyed this review. It was about Kel-Tec. Kel-Tech is just one of those where it's like a child you have to love it with all of its flaws.

Just stumbled on you’re channel and when I heard wood bro’s.. I joined considering Iv been to them several times

I’ve found most ammo over 40grn works good. CCI is the best. The 50grn work great. Mine is pretty much stock. Getting ready to do some actual parts upgrades. I use that WD-40 dry lube. I cleaned out the mags, light sanded (600 grit) any sharp edges, and given it a wipe with the dry lube. Cleaned the heck out of the gun and used a light coating of the same lube. When I used regular CLP or WD it seemed to gunk up, foul out quicker and malfunction. Trying out the “Stuff and Things” mag extension, hopefully this week if I can get out to the range. Great video. Thank you.

I take it back, after adding the all in 1 upgrade kit from Mr. Carbo to my PMR-30 I ran 3 full 30 round magazines thru it with no malfunctions! Yay!

Mcarbo makes great parts. I run the stainless feed ramp and the upgrade magazine latch and it made a massive improvement in reliability. Also a little lube in the magazine helped feeding problems

great video, as always, and I totally just bought one of those slings.

Wow such a clean informative video. Love it. Subbed.

Haga Defense makes some neat-o goodies for the CMR-30. The forend extension brings the rail out to the muzzle and hides the wonky-looking 16' barrel.

Awesome review, I've owned a vanilla CMR-30 for about 2yrs and put about 3000rds of various ammo (all 40GR) and it has fired reliably with only 3 notable ftf. Loading the magazines with absurd consistency and accuracy is key. I feel that all of the breakages within the firearm come from massively irregular handling of the cartridges due to mag load anomalies.

I can say I am a 22 Mag fan boy and have taken many different kinds of game. A bolt action is my fav, but I have always wanted a semi auto, it wasn't designed for that and so I bolt action I will have. kudos to Kel Tech on the design.......BUZZ

Great review, looks fun as hell.

Wow. I haven't seen a modern gun with a heel mag release before. Making the old new again. Neat.

Finally, gun that's not ugly from Keltec came out!

Thanks Chris. We think similarly on so many things! I’d love to see your opinion on the Diamondback DB57. I love that gun. Ammo is more expensive but this is the best one gun for the end of the world (right now) in my opinion. God bless.

I have one and have abused it for years as a varmint gun around the farm and I’ve never had any issues with mine.

Love my CMR-30. My favorite firearm!

My mother was a traveling nurse for a few decades so I got her a MK99 ( sexy ugly shorty of a Hungarian AK) because it was light, small and good Grammy gun because AKs run without all the maintenance. Well decades went by and she quite tracing so I got here a LWRC ICDI with all the furniture including a FAB Defense Podium bipod ( which is the bees 🐝 knees ). Well she has since gotten a little disabled mostly due to COPD & emphysema. So I’ve now given her a PMR & a CMR with a grip of mags. And of corse the CMR os decked out with all the things, including a bipod. I know most people scoff at a bipod on a CMR but for a 71 year old woman ( or anyone for that matter) it increases accuracy tremendously. All this being said her edc is a 365 with a light/laser but if shit got hairy she’s got some heat be it anyone of her weapon systems. She’s leaving in a day to take a road trip cross country and back and will be traveling with her 365 and her PMR & CMR along with one ammo can which holds more then enough 22 WMRs and 9mm. Oh worth side note she’s traveling with her BP vest and her MIRA gas mask. All this may seem excessive but with COPD if there is a fire or dust storm that would put her down and if you need to pick up arms because the situation has gotten hairy a BP vest only makes sense. Mothers and truckers make the world go round and you can never do enough for your momma Side note. Everyone says it won’t happen to me UNTIL IT DOES! She was in New Orleans for Katrina. And her hospital didn’t flood. They did shut down the hospital and used it as a staging area for supplies looted by LEOs & FF. The state AG landed a bird on the roof a few days later and ordered in the National Guard. There were 2 Doctors 4 nurses and two SWAT cops holding down that hospital till the Guard showed up and order everyone to leave. Anyhow back on topic. With a good understanding and proper training the CMR with the PMR are a very formidable load out. I mean a rifle a pistol and a thousand rounds weighs as much as a tricked out AR and a few mags. That’s all I have to say about that.... Unless your still reading and want more 😝 My momma told me, “ life is like a pond with leaches. You won’t know how bad it sucks till you go through it” 💥👊🏻🙏🇺🇸☦️

CZ 512 in .22 WMR with tactical furniture does the same job as this Kel Tec, but with fewer rounds in the magazine. Same sort of precision as you mentioned (3/4" to 1" at 50 yards) and much better reliability. Same ammo CCI Maxi Mag 40 gr.

22 mag is a good cartridge. I just wish they make match ammunition for it like you can get for 22LR. It could make long range rimfire shooting even more fun than it already is. This with a short barrel and an attachment for a single point sling(with provisions for a brace/stock)like an mp5k would be a cool setup.

Perfect for back to school!

I have learned a lot from your channel 💕

Great review. I really WANT to love .22magnum. But no one seems to solve the reliability problem. Aggravating. I guess I'll stick with my Beretta 9mm PX4\CX Storm duo.

Man can’t wait for the 5.7 x 28 gel tests!!

"legislative dumpster fire" is quite accurate

Oh wow, I never saw a size comparison before. All the pictures of the CMR30 I've seen so far have been it in isolation; it looked like just the PMR with a stock glued to the back (and longer barrel, natch). That actually looks like a proper carbine when you compare it to human hands and the pistol.

I’ve wanted the CMR30 since it came out, they’re so damn cool. I don’t care that it’s kel tec, i need it

I so hope you are right. Smith's FPC is a really wonderful take on the Keltec Sub 2000 so the potential is there for an S&W 22 WMR carbine.

So happy to see 50rnd 9mm under $20 on the site

super nice build and 22 mag has always been a favorite. it's really is overall the most enjoyable cartridge to fire. just enough power to satisfy and basically still no recoil. yeah I think Smith is on to something since all 22wmr ammo i've seen i jacketed, going to a gas based system makes sense.