intercept can't. they're under a perpetual NDA and cannot say anything about the situation, and even they probably don't know what is going to happen

Out of everything, this is the part I can believe the most. Treating customers like trash is a Take-Two staple.

@@Wedgenet Capitalists

Private equity firms dont care about their customers, all they care about is profit

Exactly mate!

Correct

Yeah I hate the overuse of this term. It's a review bomb if a bunch of people who never played or bought the game review it just to gripe about something. If they purchased the game they have every right to review the game however they want.

@@anonony9081 Not just that, but even in the most charitable of interpretations, a review bomb could be current owners trying to force a reaction. Take the recent TF2 situation, where people who love the game campaigned for a bunch of negative reviews to be made to try and force Valve to take action about bots. Arguably, that's a review bomb, because it's people not giving their honest opinion about the state of the game. Other than, y'know, the bots fundamentally being a part of the state of the game... but not one Valve are responsible for. KSP2? No, the reviews there are all just about the state of the game. It's broken, it performs poorly, the developer has gone missing, and the publisher has gone quiet. There's no one left for a review bomb to "convince", there was no mass campaign to try and force a reaction. It was just people reviewing the game and giving their opinions about it. Which is exactly what a review is.

@@Moleculor The term lost all meaning when Steam allowed publishers to claim any period of increased negative reviews as a review bomb, even if the reasons for the reviews are about the state of the game (eg after a bad update)

@@xraze6906 But not really applicable in this case, as none of the KSP2 reviews are labeled as "off-topic" or review bombs. So either Take-Two can't label them that way, or has chosen not to.

All steam can do is delist it on the basis that it is no longer in development.

At the very least put a huge disclaimer saying how unlikely updates will be

@@aliensasquatch7485 they cant do that because there is nothing official to go on. they'd be liable.

​@@aliensasquatch7485-- They already have a big banner warning you about the pitfalls of early access and the possibility of nothing. They have rules about deadlines are specific promises in roadmaps. Any more and people just won't put their games on Steam until they're finished, which is a huge annoyance for indie studios and a great way to encourage competing stores.

@@TlalocTemporal Yep. A lot of people don't understand that EAPs are basically the same thing as a kickstarter. You have basically zero guaranty of getting what you paid for. It's as simple as that. This is why pretty much every single reviewer out there tells you to _never_ preorder games; especially if you have expectations towards them.

Hopefully it’s not what’s going on with Hollow Knight Silksong

first thought was silksong.. pray for us

More like "Use recognition of first game to make sequel for everyone to sell as many copies as possible". Remember they hired art major as PM. They didn't want KSP2 to be game for nerds like first one. They wanted it to be flashy, because that attracts most customers.

@@enderger5308 While I have no proof, it's more likely Silksong has a "stupidly large" scope. Their trailer is way more policed than KSP2

I mean, if they had delivered on even a single one of their development promises, like interstellar travel or multiplayer, I think a sequel would be justified, but they didn't even get on par with the first game before giving to the public.

Smile friend 😎

"Dog in a Manger"

ooh ooh ooh

That's the policy of EA Games with regard to American McGee's Alice, too... which is why we don't have "Alice: Asylum" as a game.

@@rosuav It's the policy of EA with things they developed back in the 1990s. They never let anything go.

They need to hold their reputation -up- down somehow.

I don't think this would have saved this game at all. Or others.

they dont want to have to compete with anyone in terms of quality, so they buy the studios who make quality games and sideline them. tale as old as capitalism

t2 isn't a damn charity, private division wasn't profitable, if it was they wouldn't have closed it. It's the game directors fault

@@klemitia That's not the point. PD was known for very slow development and taking their time like they did with KSP1. The point is that T2 bought PD, then closed it while knowing beforehand that they wouldn't turn a profit until much later.

Oh yeah. Aus also has fairly heavy rules about "False advertising"

It's classified as "early access" for a reason.

You bought an early access game without any guarantee it'd be finished

​@@demanischaffer Except there was a guarantee? All of their promo and marketing contained features that didn't exist as the main selling point. And if you happened to see that it was an EA title the developers had a posted roadmap on their store page PROMOSING the delivery of said features with a rough timeline for feature delivery. Saying those features weren't guaranteed or promised is heavily disingenuous to how the game was marketed, developed, and published by both its developers as well as its publisher.

@@Koubles Nothing was promised, you knew you were buying early access title You bought the game with this warning "This Early Access game is not complete and may or may not change further" and "The core pillar of KSP2 is building and flying cool rockets. While we have additional features planned like colonies, interstellar travel, and multiplayer, we first want to hear back from players about the core fundamental experience."

Sleazy corporats.

I weather it stay on sale for preservation reasons Half life source is a terrible remake of half-life and now years later some people go to it to expirince it’s brokeness and try to get through it Just because something is terrible doesn’t mean it should be lost forever

Is is against steam policy to have a game that u know will never leave early access can only hope ksp 2 still being worked on at some scale

Truly sad day for us long time Kerbal fans. So much potential wasted.

​@@ShadowZoneI'd argue there wasn't much potential based on your development history video.

@@cpthornman the potential was huge. The execution was terrible.

​@@ShadowZoneI was already skeptical when the project was announced, given the aggressiveness of the promised feature set and timeline. The coverage you've given of what's become public of the details of the project's development history has me convinced that it was already doomed at the time of announcement. Was it ever viable at some time pre-announcement? I don't think the bean counters were ever prepared to invest enough money to do more than refresh the original code, and I don't think Star Theory / Private Division were ever prepared to limit themselves to a feature set that was realistic on the budget available, nor do I think that a rehash of KSP 1 would have gotten more than lukewarm reception from the community. The devs basically gambled that they could tell T2 that they could implement Nate's vision within the schedule and budget constraints in place, and then keep saying "it's almost done, just a bit of an overrun" until the project was late and overbudget enough to accommodate their desired feature set. In theory, someone early on could have convinced T2 that investing the money properly from the start to implement Nate's vision was the best way to make a profit off the IP, which I believe was the case, but the potential for that to happen was all the potential the project ever had. The community has been clamouring for a feature set matching Nate's vision from before T2 ever acquired the IP, but just a vision for a feature set that's in demand in three community isn't "potential", you have to have the resources to implement it, and that was never there. That said, from before the project was even started, T2 had *one job*, from the community perspective. Implementing the game the community wants will require designing for a certain things from the start that weren't considered in the design of the original KSP, and whatever the strategy pursued in terms of what features are implemented first, the resources required to match KSP1 in the end game while implementing all the new features will be significant. The one good thing that could *possibly* have come from a AAA studio acquiring the IP was having the resources of a AAA studio behind the project the community wanted. So T2's one job was to take that community demand and invest the money to make it happen. They were never willing to do that.

@@ShadowZoneThere is still a little chance something will happen. Lets hope for the best

Sad, but probably true

Which, sadly and realisticly, means nothing to T2, since an ocean of people will buy it (for their reasons and on their rights, people that aren't obligated to be as disgruntled as we are) anyway. But at least in principle, and educating others when possible, not supporting TakeTwo is a morally positive choice nevertheless.

I wont be buying GTA6 because itll be 1 year worse than current year.

@@guillermoelnino they owe you gta6 so might as well put on that eyepatch. this is the perfect reason why the hat is justified.

@@havoc7646 actually AAA games arent even worth doing THAT anymore.

I feel GTA 6 will be that even buggy shit.

GTA 6 has more potential for revenue than literally any other game that exists. KSP2 is nothing compared to GTA.

​@@Tetragramix I didn't mean potential for revenue, rather potential for sheer creativity while having ginormous impact through a pretty interesting way of achieving edu-tainment. didn't think I'd have to make that clear.

@@Tetragramix thats the problm, these sort of games like GTA get too many players leaviong studios in difficulkty situation when devoloping games not for the casual pop gamer.

@@techny3000 potential to be one of the best games ever made. Indeed, titles like GTA simply blocks better games to be made just nbecause the gamepay is not pop cultura shit.

"Despite the finest efforts of our brightest executives, the game mysteriously failed. If we weren't here and getting massive bonuses who knows how badly it would have failed!"

Yeah, usually it's the case but here cutting their losses was the only thing to do, let's get real, KSP2 devs would never finish KSP2 even if they let them develop it for a decade or more...

@@Bourinos02 The self declared very smart guys, took it from the people who developed the original KSP and handed it to a team who were faaaar more competent. And here we are.

@@Cohen.the.Worrier Not to mention tying their hands behind their backs and only letting them code the game in Cobol using their feet. Makes it real difficult.

I feel the developers over promised and it was doomed ether way...

@@meegstomtom it's a both fault situation but not 50/50, TTI/PD is far more accountable for that crash than intercept Games devs.

@@DC2022 I feel the devs at intercept games are plenty to blame. A release date of 2020 was a joke and years of development hemorrhage money. Ether way it would have ran out of funds and the early access show that it was still far from ready after 3 years past the projected release date. I'd say closer to 50/50. But it's easy to blame to management.

....with our money...

Are you sure T2 is the bad guy in the movie? He hired Nate for $10M in two years and ended up getting $60M out of them in seven years without delivering anything at all...

KitHack

Unless he's got capital backing him and can put a team together, there's no way he's going to have the ability to do this by himself.

Bullshit

@@sciencecompliance235 KSP1 was basically done that way

@@danzstuff Yes that´s his actual game he is working on and said it might be a stepping stone to something new KSP related.

Well, at least he got his thumbnail photo right. 😂

"We are fully funded." - Nate Simpson 1 month later: TakeTwo is laying off and closing their only Seattle based studio. **que the Curb Your Enthusiasm meme*

@@shazmodeus2795 To be fair ive been down this route before with companies. 9 times out of 10 your boss doesnt tell you when your going to get fired, and normally its on a Friday. (Not that ive been fired but ive been involved with the processes). More than likely T2 had a stopwatch and was waiting to see what KSP2 would do and it didnt make enough return and finally pulled the plug. they would have never told Nate this as that can cause discourse and upset. More than likely he had no idea what they planned to do. Really shitty world when managers and employees cant actually communicate effectively but in my experience that seems to be the downfall of most things.

@@Jmstraubgamer I understand your argument, but Nate was the head of the studio and I find it impossible to believe TakeTwo didn't convey ANY warnings or discourse months in advance to Nate that they were not happy with the progress before the day they announced the studio closure.

@@shazmodeus2795 trust me I've been around executives and managers that will do exactly that. Not convey anything and then just drop a bombshell on people. Knowing T2s I don't trust them to not do that exact thing.

I haven't gotten much into it but it sucks that they removed recovery. It's gotten much more restrictive and takes away the fun of KSP itself imo, so I really dislike P&LC

@FolivoreNugget I don't dislike the P&LC update. I just think that they didn't implement it properly. Especially with not being able to reuse stages and space stations serve no use since there are no contracts for them now

@@hugoandre96neither of that is related to the plc update really, and could be brought back with additional updates

@clayel1 it can be, but the point is that was removed and when I asked if they plan to bring it back, they said it wasn't planned. But that was months ago, so idk if their plans changed or not. I was working on making my space station with contracts when the update happened, and now I don't have an incentive to make stations

@@hugoandre96 space station contracts are planned, theres just a lot of stuff at higher priority

No. You bought early access to an unfinished game. You got exactly what you paid for.

@@teebob21 No i bought unfinished game with hard claimed promisses which cant be done now...

@@cihlacezet231 That's the risk you take.

@@teebob21 Your perspective is naive. When someone lures money with fraudulent promises, it's simply theft, even if they hide behind "early access." Your opinions only enable scammers to continue and harm more people. If people like you weren't so blind, fraudsters wouldn't have the space to pretend they are legitimate, and the world would be a much better place. Stop defending bad practices and look at it realistically.

@@cihlacezet231 You paid for promises, hopes, and dreams plus an alpha build. You got what you paid for. Stop having buyer's remorse and take some responsibility.

But the consumer loves this nonsense. I'm such an extreme minority for only buying smaller completed projects. Only this year are people finally changing their minds.

Honestly, J:NO deserves a lot more support. That game is really well made. I haven’t sunk nearly as many hours into it as I have with KSP, but it was obviously fun.

Absolutely, not to mention it's also on mobile. I have it on both platforms and it's features add so many things that KSP doesn't even have

@@aliensasquatch7485 that and I think it actually looks better than KSP or KSP 2 graphically. I know that’s subjective, but it’s my opinion, for whatever that’s worth.

It's very well made, serious developers who seem to know what they're doing, and simulates some very interesting things KSP doesn't, like the effect of nozzle length on ISP and stuff. :)

J:NO time to take it seriously. Not as twitch based as KSP, plus it's programmable.

I suggest not to, it's very unfun and soulless.

My main issue with juno new origins is simply the visuals, as although they look great, it's not as amazing as KSP with mods like RSS Reborn, TUFX & all of their constituent mods. But, I still see the reasons why people like it, as it is a great game in all.

@@ClarifyGS Go back and look at KSP 1.0, then compare to Juno. Among other things, they are working with Linx to port some of his graphical mods over, which will help a lot. They approached me a while ago, and I may look into doing it in the future

@linuxgurugamer Oh KSP 1 is still a valid Option. Linx, Blackrack and also you give the Game still the worthiness of being played.

Absolutely , Juno is a great game with extreme procedurality in the stock version, and actually goes deeper inside some aspect not touched by KSP, like for example the fact you can literally build any rocket engine tweeking various real parameter that affects the performance. The fact it has a way to implement script inside the rocket avionics and similar and to wrote code with their own simple language is really cool.

I just purchased it, I had never heard of it before this point. It's $8 on steam right now. Why not? This game needs more exposure!

I don't feel vindicated at all. I didn't buy it because there was no KSP2. There was no game there, only a promise! I don't buy promises, I buy products. And for beta testing I charge, I don't pay.

@@mikicerise6250 I mean feel however you want i suppose. Ive crowdfunded many games over the years and this is 1 of 1 that has dropped the ball on development.

Definitely something that would interest me

I'd be down for that too

Europe doesn't really have a manned space program, probes are less compelling.

Europe has a space program? 🦅🦅🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

Yeah we have the ESA and we build the modules that you americans wouldn't even survive in space without

Yeah! J:NO is also starting to get mods. Parallax was ported. The Droods don't have as much personality as the Kerbals, but you can't argue with the performance. J:NO is waaaay more optimized than KSP. And hey, how about that, also made in the Unity engine. 😉

I'd buy it for 98% off...

2023-2024 to be exact. Game didn't even last two years lmao.

Welcome Back KSP 1! 2024-XXXX

KSP cannot be given a birthdate or death since it was never even born in the first place. It was aborted while still in the womb.

Technically the game never even 'released'...

6 years in the womb and 1 year in the real world 😢

You mean Simple Rockets 2.

​@@SpinosaurusStudios_ Yes. Is it blasphemy or something to call it Juno? I'm new to the game and it was already renamed when I started.

@@immabird7861 The namechange was about as well received as KSP2 release. Mainly because it is stupid. Simple Rockets 2 made sense.

​@@kukuc96it made sense when it started and the game was simple. But the game is currently not as simple as the early versions were

@@TimeMasterOG Agreed, Juno new origins is a better name, as it's more official. Imagine if Kerbal space program was called Rocket ship flight simulator. That wouldn't fit at all.

Atleast you could pirate it and play

Not to mention that while i like EU4 (i have like 2300 hours in the game) from my understanding the recent DLCs have not been fantastic for any of their games. CK3 was not as big of a hit as CK2 and Vic 3 probably shouldn't exist.. at least i think that came out. Oh and theres that whole City Skylines problem. Tbh idk how much i trust them anymore as a publish/studio. Im slowly losing my faith in the large game dev community as a whole.

Id honestly rather have the IP dead rather than PDX exploit it.

@@raspvidy same here

Please don't use God's holy name to cuss. It's blasphemous.

Revenge for Tom Vinita‘s ambitious claims 😔

@@vedanshgupta4711 That clip aged terribly

(KS)RSS, EVE, Volumetric Clouds, Realism Overhaul and a whole bunch of parts packs. Make your own KSP2.

Honestly id also like a more in depth understanding of how modding in KSP works too because i still have issues where some modded parts just outright dont work like the JWST style telescope you can send up, not to mention that some of the other mods dont have much to go on and the learning curve is pretty steep with them.

It really was a scam. Shame on you Take Two!

And never buy early access either.

I've had great luck pre ordering games and Kickstarter games. Just need to be smart and do your research about the developers. This was kind of doomed a while ago.

COD Ghosts survivor here, ya I learned my lesson.... Currently waiting to see how Paralives turns out before spending any money on it, lets hope everything goes well.

I'm going to recommend an Early Access game, Satisfactory which is currently on sale and full release coming soon.

then, we can wait for full release then

I'm sure they lost their ass on this. They would make more money if the game was finished. But it's obviously this was in development hell

They don’t even have that since the game probably didn’t make its own budget back in sales

Are we going to shut down GTA6 in protest? After all, they formally own Rockstar games.

@@InfernalLordHadesLore why would you? You can pay to the competent dev team for finished product. It's unfortunate that great team can make great finished product even under "take two ownership". Take two doesn't make games. They are taking business decisions. Some devs doing GTA 6, some KSP 2. But it's too early to talk. Maybe GTA6 will come as a lagging early access piece because Take two are so evel? Then I'll not buy it as well!

@@dizellord the reality is that T2 will hold onto KSP IP and will not sell it in close future, as it still gets sales from KSP 1. Other studios can't directly develop KSP2 in any way and direct competitors like Jundroo with Juno: New Origins are less known and less popular. They develop, but it's highly unlikely they will take off to same level of popularity.

This one - kzfaq.info/sun/PL9TJhYxFTqCjxckcA11gbWj8CTL4c5Q1J&si=nhJbQ9-nYBq-409-

As much as I like Space Engineers, it is not a KSP subtitute at all. It has no orbital mechanics, the way gravity works is very questionable. It is almost as much of an arcade as NMS.

Space Engineers kind of sucks, it's insanely unoptimised and it has so much dlc that your game isn't really special without them

@@bravoalpha101st "so much" (12) 4 bucks DLC . Holy Jeebus they will milk your bank account especially with such a game price 18$. Plus with steam summer sales its at 55% discount for the all inclusive bundle at an atrociously expensive 37$! Gosh I'll have to sell my kids and home to afford this.

@@DC2022 12 times 4 is 48... i could buy two games with that... 37 dollars isnstill enough to buy a game

The most comparable game to ksp is juno new origins

Yeah and it's a total and complete joke: €40 (!) for a game that nobody should ever buy anymore 😵

@@Vermeulenisdenaam Nobody should have bought it to begin with. When you have a massive publisher like Take 2 behind the game you don't need to do early access unless something has gone wildly off the rails.

@@TNH91 I totally agree, but admittedly at that time, I was totally enchanted with the marvelous alpha/beta footage and couldn't wait to get my hands on it and fell for the marketing b4llshit they threw our ways. I also wasn't aware of the Take Two org-structure, they conveniently presented Private Division as the driving force behind this project and I fell for it (like many others with me). Very valuable lesson learnt 😳

I don't know whether he still makes videos, but Kottabos used to showcase almost every mod for KSP. CKAN can then tell you compatibility

@spost1986 Matt Lowne has started a series where he plays modded KSP, one mod at a time. Go check that one out!

Id love that especially with some of the bigger mods like Interstellar.

Yeah Steam told me to get bent and I haven't launched the game in over a year+. Shouldn't still be on sale, report the store page for fraud.

Thats not how that works with EA games. When you purchased the game you signed a disclaimer.

That’s PWP and far and procedural wings sir

This! I loved watching Scott Manley play through that selection of mods back when he did. Over the years I've tried to recreate the experience on more than one occasions but the mods and compatibility are all jumbled up enough to make me give up each time. Having a proper standalone using KSP1 as the base but doing full realism? Take my money!

Rp1 is a collection of mods, if that doesn’t run its on you

@@z33r0now3 _Whoosh_ (the sound of this idea going over your head)

I disagree that it had potential. It was a band-aid on top of already broken code. It was a money grab from the start.

@@anonony9081 Ya but you’re looking at it from a publishing perspective, which I would agree. Take Two did a horrible thing. But I’m talking about the game itself. The game had immense potential for what it could have been if the developers didn’t get screwed over. I think that’s where a lot of people misunderstand. The developers wanted this game to work out and succeed and they were (slowly, given the small dev team) making progress. The developers aren’t the enemy. It’s Take Two and their greedy antics.

Did you have to remember me about that fiasco? I successfully forgot about Sword of the Stars 2. ;-)

So glad I waited for the reviews on that one. I wasn't so jaded back then, just got lucky.

Questionable channel with questionable funding.

​@@corecollapse4726 well said

@@corecollapse4726 How so? I always thought they were well respected and honest science people?

m8 with all due respect, it looks like a shitty ipad app and has nothing to do with the kind of gameplay is KSP, why even promote it here?

@@clusterduckstudios they made one iffy video about refugees a few years back and every nutter has been going conspiracy mode at them ever since

That's exactly why I've practically never played KSP 2 (no joystick usable) and many other things that prevent me from ever playing this game again. To be honest, I'm a bit put off by KSP anyway, let's see if I suddenly get the urge again

Buck up. Things are not nearly so bad. While there are lots of greed-driven disappointments there are still more quality games coming out every year than at any point in history.

Lately? This has been going on for a long long time. With almost finished games never being released to playable demos never going anywhere in old games as well. Nothing new here.

Play your backlog!

just don't play corporate games. indie titles are great as ever

@@jm56585 that's a lame statement as well. The Major of indie games can also suck. Steam is full of crappy indie games. You just need an open mind and don't expect any game to be great. But I agree when it comes to a true passion project game. They often have a lot to offer and where made with care.

Do not buy unfinished games. Every time you do you are encouraging companies to do this. Wastes our time, wastes your time and your money.

I am so sad this would happen to kerbal space program. Out of all the game series out there. 😢

True, but we have already Carnasa, Raiz Space, SeyMonsters and recently Mike Aben and others. I do enjoy it a lot however and have watch 100's of RP1 videos. To me, what is missing is good simple tutorials how to make parts with only Blender and without Unity because for the latter you need some weird patch that you cannot find anymore. Kerbonerd did a few tutorials but they are very difficult and skip over some quite complicated steps. I think with some good and simple tutorials more people would experiment with making parts for KSP1.

I won't miss much on consoles then! 😊

Early access is fine, just don't buy a game that doesn't have value in its current state. There are plenty of EA titles that are already in a better state than the typical AAA "full release".

@@JonBrase scrap mechanic was like this 6 years ago and it's doing great (their old trailer's way cooler btw)

You won't regret it. If a game is worth buying it is worth finishing.

I'm probably not going to buy a take two game again....screw GTA6 ect. Just money grabbing sceams. Such a scummy company and board of directors....you can even tell looking at them that no members their board had never played any of their games (they just care about money and have no interest in a good experience for gamers)