Yeah, they didn't let him get his card in his bag

@@roycastanon5754 Did he still have his card? Didn't think the woman on the bus ever gave it back to him so he couldn't show it to the men on the subway.

Bjørn Halfhand I assumed he just has a bunch of them that he gives out when he starts having a bout of laughter

@@killthomas8373 yeah he probably does. I think there might be 2 occasions including the subway where he can't seem to find them. Thought maybe he only carried one. I don't know.

@@bjrnhalfhand2258 He did still have at least one cause those cops who tracked him down when he was visiting Penny in the hospital had one.

IF you haven't seen it - check out Mark's re-review of A.I. He details how his original review of the film was very much wrong. Having seen it many years ago, I was able to admit to my friend that I was wrong about District 9... I FELT LIKE A NEW MAN!

@@waynemongo Haha! I even feel like admitting you were wrong has a different kind of enjoyment to it. Like you've discovered something on your own. I felt that with Interstellar a bit. Didn't like the film as much, but the more I thought about it the more I liked it despite some of its problems from my POV.

Open your ears sometime, and then read the survivorship bias entry on wikipedia

Soon the Vessel holding the Poison is Corrupted

that is around him*

10 mins is too short also..could do with half of this

You know that, it's a lost art.

Kermode's the best in the review business. Someone give that man an award for services to cinema. Maybe a dark knighthood. The amount of time he saves us all by sifting through all deserves an award. Arise Sir Mark of Critic.

he gave one thing away. mark's reaction to 'woke culture killed comedy' instantly had me thinking remoaner. so i checked, i was right.

Completely agree! I watched Chris stuckman and IGNs review and bloody hell the amount plot points they went in to was ridiculous

Yup, treat everyone nicely and this world would have been a better place.

@@TheGamingg33k yeah and you wont get stabbed in the head with a pair of scissors

Not to be nicer, but to actually listen to each other. Many of the escapades of this movie could have been solved by listening to understand.

@@ShelbyBaby27 - Imagine what would happen if we listened to each other instead of getting triggered and yelling our opinions and demonizing people who disagree with us.

I think that's the right and natural reaction to it

100%. Even with a lot of broader films that a lot of people would probably dismiss right out the gate, he at least gives them a chance (off the top of my head, I remember him quite enjoying Baywatch).

"which is a trap a lot of critics fall into" Not critics, but comic book fans...and the "geek" fandom in general, wheter it's superheroes or Star Wars or whatever Not professionals

@@simonegreco1958 yeah Star Wars and Game of Thrones are the worst offenders in that regard. Can't stand those fandoms anymore.

Armin Haracic Well said. Agree 100%

@@simonegreco1958 you're blaming the fans? Have you seen the awful agenda driven reviews by "critics" in the access media? Seen the reviews of this movie by "critics" gathered on the Rotten Tomatoes site? You blame fans? Amazing.

And the composer doing both!

the people who laugh most have best intuition of darkness

😟😃🐴🐗🍛

Can't do comedy anymore it offends too many people, shame.

No way! Chernobyl was a masterpiece!

But its everything straying away from safe these days. It's like the reviewers of Logan only seeing a glorification of knife crime.

Exactly. The film actually helps a discussion on mental health which leads to mass shootings. But many want to shut that up because they're afraid of where that discussion will lead to.

It’s not new. 20 years ago Fight Club was attacked by the Right for promoting anarchism and terrorism and by the Left for promoting fascism. Listen to the original DVD commentary with Pitt and Norton, two Hollywood liberals saying that the reaction from the Left was worse than the reaction from the Right.

It's because it's the first movie about a mentally disturbed killer that also features violent riots by the poor killing the rich and cops

@Pat Johnson STFU, with your party of commie white supremacists.

isn't it kinda weird though to want to be nicer to people based on the fear that they might evolve into a psychotic killer?

I agree

gregkrazanski - it’s exactly that, if you are kind to even people with murderous tendencies then MAYBE they won’t feel so bad, maybe they will see there is humanity in the world, and maybe they won’t become a murderer!

Easier said than done. It's impossible to be nice to everyone. Being nice to certain people offends other people.

His kiss on the head before the midget left his apartment confirms what you said.

Funny enough, this also happens in Joker, when Arthur makes the crowd ‘laugh’ at the comedy club, we only hear it. The crowd it self didn’t actually look like they were laughing

@@thomasmatthews478 oh wow

Yeah Joker makes it very clear that certain things are only in his head (his girlfriend, in particular) so that makes me think the director, Todd Phillips, had the same interpretation of the ending of King of Comedy.

I always found the ending of King of Comedy deliberately ambiguous. I can’t remember all the details, but was never sure whether his successful biography:/ book and fame was real, or fantasy. Joker resolves ambiguities more clearly (fantasy girlfriend for example)

I thought it was in his head as well.

Absolutely perfect mix of sickly hope, dread, and sadness. Got chills everytime that main theme came on.

Magnificent score!

Boyce Bailey lol. the score not the track list. I’m talking about the cellist who created the music.

Oh my gosh yes. It was amazing

Should win Oscar.

Stuart Dawson - Spot on.

And this is why Mark is one of the few critics whose name I know and whom I follow

You know that, it's a lost art now.

Ya, that's what I really like about Mark. Regardless of whether or not *he* likes a movie, I get a sense of whether or not *I* would like a movie from his reviews.

Nah bro we don't need pro critiques, it's 2019. All we need is a Guardian writer telling us it's bad because it has a white man in it... or something.

Ganja Mozart yes me too I was teary and upset for him.

Phoenix good, writing is MEDIOCRE!

Wasn’t even sad. Very generic background

he's a nasty man and in this movie he plays a nasty man. I was going to not see movie becuase of his political hatred, but had to see it, of course, and I think as long as DeNiro does not pretend to be wonderful and compassionate I can watch him in another movie.

His ending gave the movie a happy ending

You mean a has-been scumbag?

Kind of like Robert Downey jr

Simon T robert deniro always plays robert deniro as he ages

DC?

Made a lot of cents

Did you think it very violent and scary? I am wary of seeing it.

This was not a DC movie, yes it’s their character but this is a Todd Phillips movie, that’s why it was so great, because DC had no saying whatsoever. All DC provided was the money.

@@rodrigoterrazas4425 Exactly what I was thinking

@@aegresen It is close to a masterpiece, there are a couple of moments that seemed just a bit off to me. Pheonix's performace itself it is amazing, I can't see him not being nominated for an oscar, unless the academy really hates this movie for the message it gives

Commits is an understatement. I’ve just seen it and for all I have mixed feelings on it as a hole his performance is never in question.

@@aegresen I lost respect when The Lego Movie wasn't even nominated for Animate Picture and when I retroactively discovered that Shakespeare in Love beat Saving Private Ryan.

"How about another joke Mur-ray"

I was going to a fancy dress party dressed as a sandwich and on the way stopped off at a pub for a drink. Sorry said the barman we don't serve food.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Alex Bowman ghost is an I.

@Daniel McGrath What does that have to do with this.

I have found that one of the best cures for depression is to *STOP THINKING ABOUT YOURSELF* and focus on the needs and happiness of others. Not only does it help your own depression, it can make a world of difference in that of others as well. Caring for the disabled and mentally ill reminds you that "Things could be so much worse." You will start to appreciate aspects of your own life that you had taken for granted for many years.

TexZenMaster I agree with your core point about stop thinking about yourself but the way you made your point sounds like your guilt tripping the guy. Depression is a soul sucking monster and coupled with anxiety makes socialising incredibly crippling. Everyone has their own journey through mental illness and the only true healer is time, depression is essentially withdrawal from the ego. The self pity and narcissism is an important part of growing as you learn yourself what is making you worse. Your spot on about helping others in worse situations but that shouldn’t be about seeing people who are worse of than you as that belittles your own problems. We can’t share others pain and experience their lives from a sensory point of views but simply helping and being around people in difficult situations can be enlightening. I’m glad you came through your rough patch and you must be a strong person as I know all too well it takes a special kind of person to go through life’s lows but never forget the place you were in and choose to be sympathetic over preaching🙌

@@deancrawford7470 perfect response.

@@TexZenMaster "Things could be so much worse". UGGGHHHH. Such an awful expression. Life isn't a game of medical Top Trumps. Everyone is dealing with their own thing, not somebody else's

Jamie Cumming: all the best to you and a big hug from the Tropics. Thank you for your personal, honest reaction. Joker, it's themes & Joaquín's performance, truly moved me too. And as for TeXZenmaster... I think you didn't really learn much from the movie, did you?

The dance scenes gave me chills. It's also great they evolve every time Arthur evolves as a character.

@@gernwind9262 I don't think I quite understand what you're talking about. What Terrence Malic impostor?

@@DamnZodiak I hope the guy is harmless. But we're on a Joker thread here.

Was going to say the same thing. Honestly, after he made that comment my mind wondered big time! Is it worth placing a bet on Strictly 2020? Movie Night would be interesting.

typical British, needs to "understand" that which ought never be "understood" but interpreted. He'll probably do it with art too. 😧

I literally just wrote a comment based on that exact part of the review with a similar viewpoint to yours. I thought it was strange that he thought it was strange tbh.

Strange, but they are journalists sticking up for their own.

Joaquin Phoenix has also stated before in interviews that he does not believe films create violence but the media's reaction can, that there is a lot of evidence to suggest this (the media essentially turns isolated and disenfranchised people famous with no regard for anything but clicks and views and these same institutions have the audacity to blame cinema, games, music etc.) and he doesn't want to get sucked into such discussions to fuel that further. Anyone who knows a little about his personal life knows he is very apprehensive of the press and with very good reason.

It's not strange to think before you talk, it's quite strange to leave the room halfway through a conversation in order to think about your next sentence.

@@WiseFool well said. I saw an interview with Peter Travers where JP said he had done alot of research and would be happy to discuss it off camera. I think that JP's views rubbed up against what he thought Warner Bros would want him to say and that is why JP had to leave the interview. It might seem "strange" but I applaud his decision to check in and think about a suitable response he could live with.

I think the fact that he can be both is what's astonishing. And Phoenix's talents are what are able to show us that.

@Tattle Boad well done, a man who has no words of his own but instead uses his intellect to repeat the words of others often out of a pretentious illusion of being a cultured fellow!!!!!!

@Tattle Boad not bad, I like it!

It's kind of hard to do either with a psychopath. That's what the REAL Joker is. Joaquin Phoenix's Joker wasn't, because he had a different condition and the director wanted to make his own version. He succeeded.

And yet there's a scene where he poses like Christ and is cheered by hundreds of people around him.

OUHABI khalil something I don’t understand about eastern Arabic culture is how men marry 4 wives ??!

Well, in that case: he can't afford to live on his own and his mother is basically disable and should have probably needed a more professional care

It's because he should have his own family and home and his dependent mother should live with him.

@@tolar9 no he shouldn't idiot

@Tim Hands I think he means he feels sorry for the people who don't like the movie for political reasons.

@@binbinbinbinb7185 I still think what I said is most likely to be true.

it is by no means a bad movie, but I feel really sorry for people who think this movie is deep, insightful, poignant or original.

@@killbot_factory Why?

@@ajs41 I was making a snide response to the original post. mostly about how if it takes this movie to open one's eyes to all the darkness in society, then that is just baffling to me how one could have been previous so unaware. this movie says nothing new about the world but people review it like it is some subversive masterpiece making a profound statement. so I stand by Joker being pretty superficial, like a laundry list of "disturbing" tropes to make a gritty characterization. for me, it invites far too many taxi driver and king of comedy comparisons, and unfortunately joker pales in comparison to those two. in the end, joker just seems too concerned with telling a dark story, rather than telling a good story that happens to be dark. trying way too hard, ya know? and the audience eating it up is what is most annoying. is the movie good? it's fine. does is say anything new? naw.

I'm going to see it very soon, hopefully within the next 7 days.

Me too. The audience in the theatre I went to were dead quiet and absolutely stunned.

Yes! When he jokes about his Mother telling him he couldn't grow up to be a comedian and he says "Well look at me now!" to zero laughter. The fact that there is no laughter makes the joke funny, which completely does my head in. It's weirdly genius.

the end of the joker does the exact same thing. was it all in his head

We don't know, and that's the whole point of the Joker - if he's going to have an origin story, he'd rather it be multiple choice 😉

That's how I interpreted the end of KoC.

Well, we do live in one.

I wonder if there was any chance that we inhabit inside one ?

Gr8 m8

@Dex And one might posit that such a statement says quite a good deal about such an existential state that we all survive in

Why do we fall apart as a Society bruce?

Sebastian Rodriguez saw that on Letterboxd and I completely agree, I don’t despise this film, I gave it a 2.5/5

J Luq I saw it on Thursday night and I’m still thinking about it. You can always judge a film based on how long it lingers with you long after you’ve watched it. There’s so much to unpack that I need to see it again, at least two more times.

I watched it at 11:30am today. I am very tempted to go back again tonight. I can’t stop thinking about it.

I've been thinking about it for over a week now. Viewing it was disconcerting so although I love it dunno if I want to watch it again soon...

Pretty sure he just called the people who supported the killing of the three guys on the train clowns. He definitely didn't say all the poor people in the city are clowns

It's funny how the media immediately attempts to make a failure of something that points to the truths in our society. Had it been a bunch of fantasy hoolah,the media wouldn't have blinked twice.

The media love it when a movie has the possibility to cause a crime like a mass shooting

It wasn't the gun porn the American Market loves. It felt quite anti American actually

@@adamholden9546 Anti-American not so much. Anti-establishment and anti-societal norms? Very much so.

Nah. Todd Phillips was playing a couple of critics that did have that idea, just to sell tickets. You've been played

All I needed to know about the film was that Joaquin was in it - I was sold.

Occasionally he plays Arthur Fleck playing The Joker.

@DR Evil are you saying that hes "just a dude, playing a dude, disguised as another dude?"

This film would be better if it had no Batman connections

I definitely agree that Phoenix's performance is great and worth buying a ticket, but what would you say this Joker's character is, aside from being mentally insane? I see zero character development in this movie, just a mentally ill person being driven into committing terrible acts because of a set of random circumstances and coincidences.

@@Enzaio There's not a lot of change in the character per se, but rather our perceptions change as the movie goes on. Like he's living with his mother, he's having "positive" interactions with his next door neighbour, he wants to be a comedian and make people laugh, he's very much alone and is bound by his mental issues. The subway incident is originally sparked by his desire to protect a woman. These are all well meant actions that show somebody who wants to fit in and connect, but also do some good things. Now what we learn later on about the reality of these things, with respect to his mental health clouding his and our perception of what was actually happening, and his reaction to him learning about what really happened, that exacerbates the mentally ill and dangerous side of him, that is genuinely sick and twisted too, and it's a full plunge into depravity. Like I said I felt some things weren't done great, it's not a perfect plot and the whole rich v poor thing was a little lazy and at least poorly executed in some respects, they could have done more with better writing and director, but honestly it doesn't matter to me that much. The movie succeeds in letting Phoenix take the helm as lead in a mainstream drama while comic book fans got a Joker origin story, one based entirely in its own film where drama allows deeper dives into the circumstances that lead to him becoming the Joker than a side explanation in a Batman movie. Joker as a character is unique in that he's an interesting villain with a lot of takes on how he can be portrayed and I think a lot of people wanted to know more. The genius of Ledger's joker is how he's mysterious and yet irresistibly uncomfortable to be around, you're left wanting more and he was the clear star of the movie in the end, in what was also a very strong movie in itself. I think a movie wasn't necessary but people do want more of the creepy clown Prince of crime and this gives you another take on it. It's like Batman or James Bond, there are multiple ways of representing the character, and for the type of movie you're shooting, you can make it what you want, and allowing actors to just do what they want to do with it, works fantastically.

@@llamaofvinter5801 I get that you enjoyed parts of it, I'm glad you did. But I think this could have been an absolute masterpiece if Phoenix was given a more interesting story to work with. My expectations were probably too high going in, because I didn't know this was the director of the Hangover movies.

@@Enzaio My expectations were quite high too considering the early reviews. I didn't like it as much as the folks I saw it with. They loved it but they hadn't seen King of Comedy or Taxi Driver or any number of other movies it was borrowing from. I'm still a little torn on how I feel about it, it left me wanting more but not in a good way. I kind of wanted just a little more insight or a little more danger or a little more originality. At the same time it made me invested in seeing the character in a movie alongside Batman because I think it opens up the franchise to explore some more interesting, challenging themes. Something that DC movies haven't been doing at all since after The Dark Night. Weirdly enough I think future movies could retroactively put this movie in a much more interesting light.

Just my thoughts. Great description

Joker Top Critics score 44%

I assume you mean Rotten Tomatoes? Well that's not entirely accurate. If you press on "more info", you will see the actual rating. Ghostbusters 2016 had 6.51 and Joker had 7.26. Not defending or supporting either, just underlining the real scores.

The percent is not the actual rating they give it. Its just how many critics gave it a fresh rating.

..maybe Joker can pursue the critics if there's a sequel.

@@matankesselman456 I find it ridiculous that Rotten Tomatoes gets cited like an authority when they use such a meaningless metric. When Last Jedi got 90%+ I looked at the reviews rated 'fresh'. A lot of them were completely apathetic newspaper critics who were like "Hey, yeah, it's Star Wars. Spaceships blow up and stuff, if you like the others films you'll probably enjoy it"

@cwazy345 what risk?

@cwazy345 Risk too high? What on earth are you on about?

That’s exactly what I was thinking coming out of the movie. Ill be damned if the shrill media was going to scare me out of seeing this film.

Rin Wesley You fell for the marketing scheme. It’s all manufactured controversy to make people like you think the movie was somehow this subversive, profound film that “the man” doesn’t want you to see.

Could always call the cinema and see if they will have police on standby. We had an officer at our theater door, not the front desk. The door we go and sit down.

Is it that remarkable? It doesn't offer any insight, it doesn't analyse anything. It's almost literally a "We live in a society Bottom Text" Joker meme stretched out to feature length

it's the king of comedy/taxi driver interpreted by a 13 year old

Oh but i do....i do.....i really do.....heee heee heee haaaa haaa woooo

@@Paddytfilm You obviously don't get the joke

Yes! And they made me sad and angry.

This was the worst line in the movie tbh.....the rest was great.

I would say a mirror is a good metaphor for this film because it only appears to be deep but lacks any real depth.

@abbsnn cose That was more a metaphor I believe as to how the ruling class abuses the the working class every day. I.e. after the 2008 financial crisis, the bankers didn't pay for the misery they caused millions but instead got trillions from the government. Yes it isn't very often that wall street bankers will go onto a subway and beat up poor people but they do it in other ways.

BritTrot she’s a Russian bot. Ignore ‘her’.

Like me I'ma middle class extinction rebellion man. I had a hard life. Choosing which house to spend summer at

They allowed for it to be made because the DCEU was in such a sorry state, that: A) If this fails, it doesn't matter, it can't get any worse than things already are B) If it bombs, it doesn't matter, the budget is the lowest we've spent on a DC movie C) If it's great, we can at least deal with the Batman side of things in this vein and it costs less and might make us even more money, even if it isn't breaking the kinda bank Marvel movies are

Oh please. It might be unique for a comic book movie, but this movie invented basically nothing. Yes Joaquin is great. But he's also great in You Were Never Really Here. Also a way better movie. Challenging dramas aren't new. What Phillips made is a an average take on a genre. The Scorsese films he references so much are much better films. It's cool that this movie exposes people to this type of movie, but that's about all it can claim as "unexpected".

DC movies = for grown ups MCU movies = for kids and man babies

@@abond623 DC was being a little difficult about it being made because from what I've read they were reluctant to have a definitive Joker origin story seeing as no one really knew what his origin was and the Killing Joke only became cannon but wasn't originally created to be so. Thankfully the film does maintain Joker's origin mystery (if you've seen it you'll know what I'm talking about).

😂👏👏

Right. His question was insulting. If a right wing journalist did that, he'd be ridiculed.

@@anirudhk217 Agreed.

Someone gets it. It was a dumbass question.

Oh hi, Batman.

Hahaha, what a story priqq **.

You're TEARING ME APART, Batman!

So Batman, how is your sex life?

There was no need to even mention that as this is meant to be about the movie, the media love to talk about themselves.

The media are practically begging for something to happen during a screening.

As usual the media, Collin in this instance was reaching for a "gotcha" moment and Phoenix wasn't having any of it. Come on just denounce men as evil and deliver a line about a nonexistent "incel revelation". Smart guy, glad he didn't fall for it.

It's insulting to put this in as a "comic book" film tbh

The detractors are wrong? What a shock..

Yeah but have you actually seen taxi driver and king of comedy before, the impression I'm getting is if you have this one is easily missable?

@@RobinRawlings I've seen them both and Joker does it's own thing, it borrows from those films but it's its own animal. Check it out.

Deal

Christian from Copenhagen time stamp?

2:30

@@johncampbell3940 Typical English pronunciation in English, the other is American English.

@@terrortorn north american - Canadians say it the same way.

@@johncampbell3940 American English is their language, not North American English.

I was thinking the same thing.

Exactly we all see things from our own perspective n we have choices

It’s both grounded and fantastical in its storytelling.

‘ I prefer the past to be multiple choice’ The Joker, The Killing Joke

Empathy maybe..sympathy implies you agree with his actions

The idea with a card that explains his condition to others is good, apart from the fact that it was written in italian, not a widespread language.

Bel Diman I dont remember it being in Italian, I remember it saying Please excuse my laughter or something like that.

@@DDChorror What school taught you the meanings of those words?? Empathy is sharing emotions,Sympathy is feeling sorry for the hardships of another.

@@beldiman5870 You saw a bootleg 🤣🤣🤣

And Taxi Driver and you were never really there is also a good film with Phoenix also now that one is a slow 🔥

j mula it’s super polarising. It’s an art house movie and nothing makes sense. With that in mind, I thoroughly enjoyed it and phoenixs performance.

We can only hope.

Yes it was an amazingly skilled review. Much respect for Kermode.

I wish it wasn't 480p like a youtube video from 2009.

@@MasterCrumble Actually I wish the review was twice as long as the movie. 😂

What, you don't like Judd Hirsch, Danny Devito, or Andy Kaufman? J/K I know you meant "Taxi Driver".

Did you not understand that Arthur had very severe mental issues which played into him being easily pushed to murder? Sure I felt bad for what the character has gone through, but it didn't justify his murder spree.

@@hollowludens5861 You're confusing empathy with justification. The comment expressed sorrow for Arthur's suffering, not justification for his crimes.

Same 🙄

Indeed

he's is the best

Exactly! I fail to see how they didn't realise that.

I think getting up and straight up leaving is a bit over the top though. He could have just said no and asked for the next question.

Ava you obviously didn’t watch the last episode 😂

>Joker released in theaters and makes a killing. >Jojo Rabbit, a movie about a boy who’s imaginary friend is Hitler coming soon >Yeah woke culture has killed everything REEEEEEEEEEE!

It stirred people up at the time as well. Social media would ramp things up now, admittedly.

Johan Israelsson from that point to the end of the movie is epic

@Albion Mudd It goes deeper than that.

Excellent point. It's a soft world lol we need to do and act better. Helluva film too.

No ones really losing their mind though. It’s all manufactured by the studio and media to generate buzz. Way to fall for the marketing scheme.

@@paulmartin591 There are a lot of uber woke morons saying it's about incels and it's dangerous. These people are the dangerous ones...they are the book burners, the people who want to censor art and do it in the name of 'progress'....check out Vice, Salon etc....they are publications that demand compliance to their agenda and if a movie or book etc doesn't fall in line they are attacked as 'dangerous'. Vice and Salon are essentially like religious groups.. Reminds me of the life of brian and all the puritanical outrage.

I mean, that's kinda the problem with the movie. It just isn't a dark movie. It's basically a three hour public service announcement about the importance of treating mental illness. Fight Club on the other hand is actually a dark movie. People watched it and started un-ironically agreeing with the philosophy of the schizophrenic cult-leading alter ego. It tapped into a certain nihilistic, violent, amoral emotion that's just below the surface. Joker doesn't come anywhere near that.

GlideSlidey They didn’t flat out turn the idea down, but they just wanted to see how Joker performed. And judging by the box office and reception (which is divisive, but mostly positive), I think WB will be taking the idea more seriously.

It is ironic though isn't it that Snyder's MoS and especially BvS were criticised for being too morbid and grimdark yet The Joker is both of those things and more and it's proved mostly successful.

I take it you didn't attend the Avengers Endgame launch screening? lol

Man I saw it in a fairly crowded theater, (granted it was a more local theater) and it was great experience. Very engaging with the audience.

I was in a relatively full screening and nobody said a word through the movie - it has been ages since that happened - the movie is fantastic.

Look how the MCU fanboys get triggered..lmao but I also like to wait a week or so for certain movies

See,I asked nicely in the previous review and here he is.

I think you mean everyone would ignore Arthur on the street with their heads buried in their cellphones.