So many tricks 😂👏

Sucks that anyone I've seen working to popularize practical wing chun ends up catching hate both from naysayers and wc hardliners. Keep doing what you're doing Kevin.

I am a 68yr old Martial artist, I started at 16yrs old in Wing Chun under Sifu Joseph Cheng and kept up the style for almost 15 yrs, also studying amateur boxing for a few years afterwards, I then tried WTF TKD up to 3rd dan and have recently started Shotokan passing my first couple of Kyu grades so far. I sincerely believe it is not so much the style as the man and the work put into training that really counts. All styles have something good to offer and i love martial artists like you two who have open minds and learn from each other!

I think this might actually be kind of a case of circular evolution. Seth's style of karate is American Kenpo (apologies if I'm mistaken on that). Based on his age, I assume he learned in the 1990s (or maybe as early as the late 1980s). That means he's probably got a ton of influence from American kickboxing/full contact karate of the late 1970s and early 1980s -- Joe Lewis, Chuck Norris, etc. Those guys were all training partners of Bruce Lee, who of course was rooted in Wing Chun. I think that's where the trap/backfist combo that Seth shows might be coming from.

That jab behind the head is actually a very common (and effective) technique in both medieval sword-and-buckler fighting, as well as somewhat later smallsword fencing. Obviously, it's a little easier to do it with a sword.

I love that two experts can compare and share openly, thereby learning even more to enrich themselves, and anyone paying attention. You've benefited all of us, thank you.

I like that Kevin doesn't want to admit he just made an original technique with that back shoulder punch😆

I really the positive vibes in the way they compare different style of martial arts and learn from each other.

In my wing chun training, and I think this is something that might suit Kevin due to his stature, especially compared to Seth, I was taught a high redirect with a biu (?) sao + a neutral sidestep. Again, due to the height difference, it might feel a bit more natural in this instance than the low redirect against round strikes.

Great work. I love this collaboration. The entries the two of you explored in the last few minutes are things I teach how instead of transitioning back to strikes in the mid/punching range, I stay inside and use elbows, knees and short/close strikes to overload the opponents senses and to finish the engagement as soon as possible. Awesome work

This is a very interesting video! The internet need this more open conversation from practitioners comparing and listening openingly from others! Much respect for both of you!

It’s always fun seeing a couple of practitioners getting together and nerding out about techniques they’ve learned or seen.

This was really good exchange of perspective. Definitely want to see more.

I like to see such an open and honest exchange of information. Truly inspiring.

Been following Kevin for a little while, it's always surprising when I see people I watch collab out of nowhere, Kevin's vid on the perfect kick made me drill it 200 times on each side on the night of the last new years, slipped the gym owner some cash to let me spend the night, changed the way I kicked, what an awesome guy

love this sort of compare & contrast analysis - thanks

Like he said: So many tricks to try in sparring! I’m definitely going to try some of these in sparring next few TSD classes! Thanks for sharing! 🥋🙂

I love how as martial artists we can just stand in a room for an hour with only our body and our brain and learn so much by just flailing our limbs at each other.

This was an awesome video... I love how in the end, they were just complementing each other on the tricks... SUBSCRIBED

Great sharing senseis. I love the Yamazuki punch with the revised back head punch. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

I like how Sensei Seth tells us what his "go-to" is, as this reminds those who are not experts the personal nature of martial arts for those who are well-trained and experienced.

You’re literally the only guy on the internet who can make me a believer in win chun for a few minutes at a time. Great video, keep it up 👍🏼

I absolutely loved this. Kevin, I would love to spend time with you sparing. Sounds like so much fun! Same styles learned with our own little nuances. Great video! You too, Seth!

Those do look like fun tricks. Thank you for sharing ☺️.

See I love this video. No tearing each other’s art down. A lot of martial arts have a lot in common. I made that same comment on the Karate Nerds channel when he was in China. That’s how we improve and learn from each other. I have learned a lot of Wing Chun in almost two years. I actually wanted to learn Karate as kid. May have to make that come true.

Great wee video, fantastic to see two guys enjoying training together 👍🏻✌🏻

Love it. 2 quality practitioners sparring and comparing notes on the art they have invested time in.

Well, I would love to see you doing it the other way round. Starting with a serious sparring (wearing protection gear) and AFTER the "fight" explaining which specific Karate/ WC techniques have worked for you in the given situation..

As a Wing Chun Practitionner, I love watching the subtle difference between different style of Wing Chun or similarities with other martial art, it's pretty fun ^^

I love these guys, the respect and comradary, this is what martial arts is really about 👌👍🙏

I'm likeing what I see from both of you, so much knowledge and so much respect for each others ways. I'm going to refer to those knuckle raking techniques sensei Seth was touching on, there are a lot of them in Kali as you can imagine if you don't have a weapon in your hand it transfers the same. You smash and rake your knuckles into the face as the same movement as a stick or hammerfist but striking with the knuckles or fist mostly diagonally. Works with gloves on too and really hurts. Can look like a close in over hand but with knuckles up.

The step behind check kick, that Anderson does, that Seth likes … was shown to Anderson by the Machidas (Lyoto & Chinzo) at Black House … so kinda back to Karate.

Rapier fencing (HEMA) is very much Wing Chun with a sword. 4:45 is very similar to a Fencing Thrust where you lung forward while driving the point up forward. Seriously, Fencing (HEMA not Sport) looks near identical to Wing Chun and probably why Bruce Lee loved it so much.

Great Video Man. I love that punch that looks like you are doing a hook shot in basketball. That's pretty slick. 🤙💯

4:00 the block and tap Seth starts talking about reminds me a lot of escrima. It's been a long time, and I wasn't exactly ever proficient, but the basic pattern I still remember is that same flowing tap to tap, but with a 3 part rhythm. cross body open hand block wrist/hand-inside hand back knuckle to bicep/nerve cluster-blocking hand backhand to temple/face

You can see the Kara Te and Wing Chun applications in this. Have to watch this several times for the footwork. Thanks. P.S. 5:20 Even after seeing that, you'd catch me every time with it (even though a goto is the blind overhand). Like an uppercut you don't see that one coming. Modified as a claw it would be an effective eye-poke. Sensei Seth's distracting low kick... same thing. So unexpected and enough to set up the killer kick. Awesome stuff.

Two of my favorite martial arts youtubers

i have only just seen wing chun recently, and i'm impressed by it's aggression. like the flicker of fire!

Being mainly a Karateka who has also done some Wing Chun, I enjoyed your video. Always nice to see cross over videos with open minded martial artists! As Karate has a lot of White Crane in it's lineage and Wing Chun is based on Snake and Crane, it's not surprising that you find some overlap. Also, one of the most important kata's in Karate is Tekki (Japanese)/Naihanchi (Okinawan). If you get somebody to perform this kata, but change the Horse Stance (Keba Dachi) to the Wing Chun stance (Yee Jee Kim Yeung Ma), then Tekki/Naihanchi looks more akin to the other Wing Chun forms than it does to the other Karate kata's. Get somebody who knows the kata and try it! It can be an eye-opener :)

Interesting to see this kind of sparring discussion. It seems less about style vs style and pros vs cons, but more like to learn from each-other as an exchange between two experienced fighters. Flexibility and using what works for you was already a philosophy supported by Bruce Lee. 😉

Glad I found this channel Kevin!

Love the video ! Thanks

i suggest a forward drop step for the sidekick..... stepping foward and to the side of the outside postion and close for a takedown, sweeps and or hands

Loving this♥️

So interesting to see the minor perks of each martial art, as much as each of you know, and the details. BTW, Karate from Okinawa also has the concept of blocking and countering at the same time, called meotode. It's both southern Chinese martial arts, but in Okinawa and then Japan they did develop differently. Also, Wing Chun "trapping" is widely practiced in various martial arts, like karate and Silat and I suppose many other styles. You block-grab-move away-counter, in a flow

Around 8:20, a good intercept for a right haymaker punch is slam it with left forearm at same time you jam your right forearm into the side of their neck. (You are inside the arc, chin tucked as you slam into them) It hurts, disrupts, then you grab shirt or neck for control, knees, and it prevents them punching with other arm.

LOVE this.

I call that vertical punch an up jab, uppercut jab, i havent been able to land it in sparring yet though but i’m working on it

Would you record a video of good wing chun being used in free sparring? We saw a glimpse of it in the video where you taught Sensei Seth, but he only had a day to learn and he came in with a background in other martial arts. I'm anxious to see effective wing chun that doesn't just look like boxing. I know it can be done, but to my knowledge there just aren't any videos of it.

As a both practionner of wingchun and wado ryu karaté, the double exist in some karaté katas as basai dai. From différents schools of wingchun or karaté you find some crane principes. And lines and stratégies.

Just love that 2 different style practioners are just kicking it

@Kevin Lee you mentioned in the video Kali training, have you also had Yaw-Yan training as well from the Philippines?

When can I see you guys in MMA fight ? Can't wait 👊

So the question is: do you go for what is most suitable for your build or to maintain your comfortable range even if riskier, or do you go for the higher percentage movements that are more likely to work but may leave you in a less favorable situation (long guard vs high cover, etc)? Being a beginner, taller and heavier with slightly stubbier arms I like to stay mid to close range and use minimal extension on my punches and use mostly lowline kicks in a standard boxing stance. Against really agile people or good kickers in wide open flat spaces it sucks a lot: you eat a lot of hits. Great video, really brings home how convergent evolution can happen in MA.

Good stuff here. Much to think about.

5:19 punching behind the head reminds me of Gene Fullmer. But he used it more shoulder to shoulder while in-fighting than during a mid-range angle change as you displayed.

cool exchanges of tricks!

Great duo 🥋 🦵🏽

not the collab we knew we needed but definitely the one we wanted

Thanks for having us

This is one of the best collaboration videos I've ever seen. Very creative. I am going to use that overhead punch of yours... Very original. Where are you located?

7:10 I saw anderson Silva doing a similar trick that finish with a roundhouse kick against adesanya,and it was nice to watch

I'm a simple man. I see a more modern and practical take on wing chun principles, and I subscribe.

Thank you for adding to my arsenal

I love how two different marsh laws from three different backgrounds Come too train with each over

Awesome stuff guys.

I liked the Video very much, especially that this Video is not cuttet and you guys are using your own sound effects I am really relating to this Video. Thumbs Up xD

I learned a long time ago---It isn't the Art, or, Style, it's the individual. Some people are simply BETTER, or more experienced...OR, just better trained than others.

They are both good styles . It comes to the individual skills in applying them.

@Kevin Lee I assume you have Wing Chun students. What’s your approach on new students who wants to use wing chun for combat? Do you have them learn all the written forms or do you actually put every lesson into practical “street” use? Basically, how do you prevent it from seeming boring and inefficient (because no matter how much they master the forms if they’re unfamiliar with a real punch coming their way they’d get confused and rekt). When I started Wing Chun, my teacher wanted us to adhere to the form 100%, do all the drills, and do some wing chun practice drills in vs. As a beginner I thought it was all part of the process and rolled with it but I never experienced the true combat side of wing chun. We didn’t have any practitioners of other arts to try and spar against but I feel like it’s a huge waste not practicing what you learned against actual street situations, even if it’s just some amateur hooks and punches for which you don’t need to be a boxer or a kickboxer to use.

PRETTY INSTRUCTIVE SHIT DUDE THANKS, thanks...

The behind head jab is a great trick. I use it when I am being rear choke or underarm head lock. After turning my center towards the grabber. The jab will be going toward the back of the head.

base on the Philippine history, Kali is a combination of different branches of kung fu, karate, silat, muay thai and wrestling. I love how you made this mind opening content.

The scooping the hook out of the way at 10:30 looks pretty cool, but seems like a lot of moves/speed necessary to actually be able to execute that properly in a real fight. Would be interesting to see if it can be done in sparring.

Sparring with people using other styles is so much fun

The high guard with elbows forward while moving forward when opponent punches is good too. The opponents fist will make contact with your elbow and will most likely mess up or break the opponents hand. No hands no fight. Boom. I seen this demonstration in wing chun

Keep this up and we might get a new Ip Man for this generation. Now if only the other Chinese martial arts had more people like you on KZfaq but hey one can dream right?

This is my take on your Wing Chun vs Karate. Mr. Seth knows a lot, but from what I have seen he is not a traditional martial artist. He is more a modern kind of martial artist (in a good way). Maybe the exchange would have been more interesting with a more traditional martial art stylist. The video was very cool but I was expecting other answers. In Karate there is more to a block than most people think. What you guys did was very interesting and educational but in my eyes, it lack that special exchange of Wing Chun vs traditional karate (no Japanese karate that is mostly sports karate styles). Something from Okinawa that was meant to destroy if needed to be used. Nevertheless good job.

I need hours more of this

Hi Kevin, i would like to see some friendly light wing chun sparring, because there are just not enough of those from capable people in my opinion. Surely Seth will gladly assist you.

9:43… you could step in with your forearms and come over with a quick left hook or right elbow. I saw someone do it at a local muaythtai stadium in thailand

This was super cool

... some of the techniques parallels are interesting here although to me the street defence of WC VS Karate via MMA (irrespective of the full contact factor) here is where WC is superior i.e. the idea of attacking the bicep with the parry rather than simultaneous parry/strike of WC is where street beats sport i.e. you are not about trying to last several rounds in a ring you are trying to crush the opponent ASAP to avoid any chance of a counter potentially lethal retaliation (especially if considering knives etc)

Jet Li does a similar move in the Master, where he punches behind his head like that ghost hook, but he also does a ghost kick with it as well. Never seen it in fight, but as smaller person, I gotta' try that!

Amazing 👏

Kevin Lee that punch behind the head is called a dufeck stroke in canoeing a turning brace stoke behind the neck and head to turn the boat fast. If you could see it done it is like two punches at once It's a very old stroke not used anymore because of the severe shoulder separation risk. There are many strokes with a paddle from canoeing that can be seen in martial arts of all kinds. With sticks and without. I used to be on the race circuit many years ago when I was young now I am 65. I never realized the bunkai of paddling until I started watching the Jesse karate nerd. Therel are other canoe blocks and strikes one is called Eko strike from canoeing used in tong soo do to disarm a knife or gun,also windshield block with a cane. Most likely others too used with the bow . Becarefull for your shoulder. I would like to show some paddle strokes and have Jesse explain the bunkai . I was surprised to see the Karate in canoeing .

it really depends on an individual's physical abilities more so than what fighting form they're using.

UPDATE: I used the scorpion punch in sparring tonight and IT WORKED!! I was dancing around squealing like a five-year-old girl who just got a pony! 🎉🎉🎉🎉 I love this so much! I really want to try that scorpion punch. Everyone in my dojo is taller than me so I might be able to pull it off! 😂 That and the little step behind fakeout kick that Sensei Seth did.

The way wing chun deals with any haymaker and non centerline punch is to step into where the bigger person’s body is in a manner like wrestlers or jujitsu but instead of doing a take down you punch over and over centerline their forearm and fist is now behind you. Same for roundhouse kicks. You replace their current spot by punching to displace them from the spot they’re generating energy from. Again see Kenneth Chung KZfaq videos for examples

For me, my preferred response to the haymaker is to initiate standing grapple and do like a trip or sweep.

In karate everything directed at the torso is always directed at the solar plexis. No exceptions. Karate traditionally goes for quick and clean takeouts

Hey Kevin! As a Wing Chun practitioner myself, I was wondering how and what you could apply from Wing Chun in MMA-style fights? Ive been very interested in picking up MMA once I get better at fighting, but I really want to implement Wing Chun into it somehow. Thisd make an awesome video!

Ive binge watched a dozen of your videos. The way you say certain things, reminds me of Louie C.K.

love how open-minded these guys are.

Kevin give us a tutorial on how to box like Baki

the way seth opens his legs for kevin's height lol

This is probably how many martial arts developed and grew in the past martial artist meeting up discussing and trading concepts theories applications with each other. Not being completely segregated into one style.

It's not surprising there's a lotta similarities, because both Wing Chun and Karate trace their origins back to the southern Shaolin temple, particularly crane style kung fu. And like someone else pointed out, Bruce Lee probably had some influence on Kempo. Also, I live in Georgia! So I'm definitely gonna drop by to train with you at some point

Confidence with humility equals master

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