Keyway slotting on the milling machine

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Stefan Gotteswinter

5 жыл бұрын

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@StefanGotteswinter 5 жыл бұрын

Frequent comments: - Why dont you use broaches: I dont have an large enough arbor press or broaches - You should build a slotting head: Nope, not in the near future - Would milling out a bulk of the material help: Only neccessary for larger keyways or very tough materials - Will this work in steel: Yes - I tried a 5mm keyway in steel, not a problem. Just take a smaller stepover - Selling the shaper was a mistake: Blablabla.

@sblack48 5 жыл бұрын

Stefan Gotteswinter george thomas, as I am sure you know, did this operation on his lathe and even made a custom tool for it. The cutting forces are low with a well sharpened tool and cutting oil. Every pc of scrap hss becomes a potential keyway cutter. Too bad you had to sell the shaper as that one was sooooo nice, scraped to crazy accuracy, but in terms of capability per square foot of shop space the cutter grinder makes way more sense. When u get it up and running will you sell the single lip cutter grinder?

@StefanGotteswinter 5 жыл бұрын

No, I will keep the single lip cutter grinder - an universal cutter grinder is a setup nightmare for a quick job :D

@TheScaryName 5 жыл бұрын

"Blablabla" Ha ha ha, I love you.

@johannriedlberger4390 3 жыл бұрын

@@StefanGotteswinter I wish if I would have one of this handy D-bit cutter grinders. They can be abused for so many jobs.

@brocktechnology 5 жыл бұрын

Please forgive the crudity of this drawing... ... I didn't have time to draw it to scale, or paint it.

@noelrieusset718 5 жыл бұрын

Always enjoy your videos Stefan, you had me for a bit... looking for the shaper! I thought for a second I was viewing an old video. Great application using the spindle, nice strong set up. Thanks Noel

@atowning 5 жыл бұрын

Was cutting a 3/16" keyway in a spur gear using my lathe this morning, very similar set up. The gear was steel so the cutter was agvanced 0.001" at a time and even then I some times passed the cutter through a few time on each setting.I've used key steel to cut keyways in Aluminium before with no problems.This is the first time I've seen it done in a mill, thanks for sharing

@theAustriaball 5 жыл бұрын

"sorry for the joke" apparently Stefan is part german, part canadian

@WNTtv 5 жыл бұрын

Another great video Stefan! Love the way you share your tricks and experience.

@RVJimD 5 жыл бұрын

Nice! I agree with earlier comment to see the grinding of the cutter. Thanks!

@noneofabove5586 5 жыл бұрын

As always. Perfection !

@arrowmid 5 жыл бұрын

I love how quiet shapers are, it's such a welcome vacation from the usual whirring and buzzing of spinning cutters and motors.

@PhilsProjects 5 жыл бұрын

nice video Stefan, excellent as always

@francescomidknight8621 5 жыл бұрын

Great video, very interesting and informative as usual. And as usual I love your humor!

@iteerrex8166 5 жыл бұрын

No shaper No problem haha. Congrats on the new machine Stefan :) looking forward to seeing its restoration modification and use.

@rwmustafa 5 жыл бұрын

I've been watching your work from turkey. congratulations.

@routercnc9517 5 жыл бұрын

I really enjoy your videos Stefan keep it up. And watch out Tony, Stefan is coming for you !

@garyc5483 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tips Stefan. I usually use the lathe for keyways, never thought about using the mill. Will have to give it a try. regards from the UK

@joetoth397 5 жыл бұрын

I enjoy watching all your videos. Keep up the good work.

@TheMiniMachineShop 5 жыл бұрын

This technique I really like and can do on my mill! Just need to figure out a spindle lock. Thanks!!

@Wyllie38 5 жыл бұрын

Some of the old boys have cut 1” keyways on the old manual lathes at work. For jobs that are too big or awkward for the slotter, outside the box thinking. Love it.

@randomdude1786 5 жыл бұрын

one of the nicest home brew keyway tools ive seen the round shank and the dekal clone woulda been interesting to see but I do have an imagination thanks Stefan you do beautiful work and thanks for the view of the spindle lock too

@greybeard3759 5 жыл бұрын

Gotta' say, that took guts! Do you make a clacker box noise when no one is watching? ;o)

@cliffordarrow6557 5 жыл бұрын

you have excellent camera work. have the best clarity, focus, color. (also video content is usual excellent quality)

@artmckay6704 3 жыл бұрын

Sweet! It's almost like woodworking with a chisel..... not a lot different. What an elegant solution! Love it! :)

@karlvella7627 5 жыл бұрын

good job... always waiting to teach me new things... thanks karl from Malta

@MikeBramm 5 жыл бұрын

Nice work. I've always wondered if this would work but never had the need to try it. Now I know it will work so I'll keep it in my arsenal. Kind of like a heavy duty version of those little hand nibblers for cutting sheet metal.

@delcat8168 4 жыл бұрын

Very useful, thanks for taking the rouble to post this :-)

@mpetersen6 5 жыл бұрын

We had a repetitive job on parts used to support the boring bar for the semifinish and finish operations on 6 cylinder inline blocks (Jeep 4.0s). These parts were made of Ampco 18 Aluminum Bronze. One of the last operations before it they went for jig grinding was to cut relief slots in the bore for the tools to pass through. This was done in a Bridgeport using a tool around 10 to 12 mm wide across the cutting face. With the right grind worked like a champ

@metalslingr 5 жыл бұрын

The crickets were a nice touch. :-)

@Elektronaut 5 жыл бұрын

I like the joke This old Stefan ;-)

@StefanGotteswinter 5 жыл бұрын

I hope Tony will be proud of this elaborate joke, that I completely stole from him.

@outsidescrewball 5 жыл бұрын

nice setup/tool grind/demonstration

@63256325N 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video.

@ChrisB257 5 жыл бұрын

Useful set up Stefan. :)

@ROBRENZ 5 жыл бұрын

Nicely done Stefan! ATB, Robin

@stanley6602 2 жыл бұрын

The spindle lock method is very simple but useful. Thank you.👍

@imstubby6844 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge

@TinyWorkshop 5 жыл бұрын

As always very good job :)

@g00167015 5 жыл бұрын

I'd love you to do a short video on the UPA series heads by Wohlhaupter, a video by someone with experience of using their many features.

@dannycurll9343 5 жыл бұрын

Great video

@graemebrumfitt6668 5 жыл бұрын

Great vid and idea Stefan Dude, TFS. G :)

@mog5858 5 жыл бұрын

keep up the good work

@copasetic216 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks. I need to use this very soon. I always do it in the lathe. I will try this instead.

@donnykiofetzis5775 3 жыл бұрын

cutting tool looks very sharp does good job

@richardgalli7262 5 жыл бұрын

Nice work.

@hotbulb4537 5 жыл бұрын

You started to built a Simplex steammachine, I never see end of it and see machine finish. Good job at all in this video and all your videos.

@ianbertenshaw4350 5 жыл бұрын

I keep a small hand operated shaper in the cupboard under my small lathe for just such an occasion , it is also useful for cutting dials in conjunction with a rotary table . It is still quicker to set that up rather that making a bush for a broach especially if you only need to cut one key slot

@KIJs-gc6ux 3 жыл бұрын

As always, nice informative vid, best regards Karl (Was mich masslos interessiert ist dein Schraubstock, welche Marke ist das ?)

@tyhuffman5447 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you Stefan

@outputcoupler7819 5 жыл бұрын

Saw somebody doing something similar to cut teeth in a gear without a gear tooth cutter, seems to work very well. Pretty sure my dinky little Sherline 5400 couldn't take it (no obvious way to lock the spindle, if nothing else), but I'm definitely keeping this under my hat in case I need it one day.

@stanswift8274 5 жыл бұрын

Great solution to not using a shaper. Same result, but using a vertical stroke for your cuts.

@karlgross2486 5 жыл бұрын

Enjoyed the video, as always. Would really like to see one on you grinding the tool bit on your single lip tool grinder. Need some good instruction on that process. Thanks, Karl

@robertqueberg4612 3 жыл бұрын

It is now an international issue. I had a 7” slotter that took up space, and did not do much work. The few key ways that I need get cut on my Bridgeport also. Every time I hear the Wohlhaupter name, I remember a guy in a mold shop, who insisted that it was German for “hole hopper”. Your videos are well put together and interesting to watch. As for your sketch, it’s job is to help explain what your mouth and hands have issues explaining. It has a shape, and dimensions to further explain the part. What gets really redundant is making a three view drawing of a 1” ball bearing, with all the dimensions.

@juanrivero8 5 жыл бұрын

This was a fun video to watch. How to make a mill into a broach. It could also be done on the lathe using the tailstock ram as the broaching agent. Only problem there is holding the tool but I saw a video somewhere on YT where a keyway was cut on a lathe. And of course you can go extreme as Claudio Grassi (see channel) does and cut (broach?) gears on a lathe. On the whole I think the adopted solution is the easiest.

@davidcolwill860 5 жыл бұрын

I'm looking forward to seeing the new cutter grinder in action :)

@StefanGotteswinter 5 жыл бұрын

Me too, haha

@eddietowers5595 5 жыл бұрын

Well, I guess you had to SHAPE up or ship out, Looks like it’s SHAPING up, what’s the sound of one shapers clapper? Looks like you’re pumping iron to get in SHAPE. So, that’s the SHAPE of things to come? What did Stefan’s shaper say to his milling machine? “You lucky bastard! He’s bent out of SHAPE at me, while you get to stay here and MILL about!” What did Stefan say to his shaper when it exclaimed, “So, that’s it?! Just...good luck and good bye?!” Stefan replied, “I don’t remember saying good luck.” Sorry, couldn’t resist, LOL. Thanks for the great videos.

@paulmorrey733 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Stefan

@warrenjones744 5 жыл бұрын

"the Wohlhaupter is always a joy to use" Those boring heads are pure tool porn Stefan. If I did not have a couple of really nice Chandler boring and facing heads that work excellent. The Wohlhaupter would be my first choice. I have used them in the past and they are so nice. I enjoyed the video, Cheers

@mpetersen6 5 жыл бұрын

Warren Jones Nice does not begin to define a Wohlhaupter😎

@roeng1368 5 жыл бұрын

You should keep you eyes open for a hand shaper, they take up no room like a machine tool does, they can be put under a bench or on a shelf until needed, and they keep you fit ! The bridgeport type shaping head is another useful thing to have, if you have a machine to mount it on. There was one on my milling machine at work and in years i never needed to use it.

@StefanGotteswinter 5 жыл бұрын

I did not sell my shaper to buy another one ;) There are so many workarounds that give good results for the few keyways I need to cut.

@NoelBarlau 5 жыл бұрын

Stefan needs his shaper back. Maybe we should start a gofundme to acquire him a a fixer-upper in order to selfishly hope he’d do a series on the restoration.

@StefanGotteswinter 5 жыл бұрын

I hope you realise that I did not sell the shaper because of money.

@jeffryblackmon4846 5 жыл бұрын

Very cool idea.

@mpetersen6 5 жыл бұрын

This technique can also be used for cutting internal splines. Both parallel key type and involute. Another trick I've used with broaches is to set-up the bushing from the broach set with an off set keyway for a Woodruff Key at the angle needed in order to have the right number of slots for the parallel key spline

@StefanGotteswinter 5 жыл бұрын

I wait for the day I need an internal square, I will happily cut it on the mill ;) Its a great additional technique in your box of tricks.

@mpetersen6 5 жыл бұрын

Yah, square broaches aren't need very often. I've used them. Mainly for making special sockets for bearing lock nuts. When I was rebuilding spindles I had sockets I made to fit various size nuts. Some were standard length, some were deep well. 4140 hardened and tempered to around 50RC IIRC. Worked great until an idiot on the night shift used them with an impact. What can I say some peoples kids. Another thing I've seen square broaches used for is making boring bars We even had spline broaches that we made in house for cleaning up internal splines on gears in multiple spindle gear heads for machining lines. Of course there are commercial spline cutters for production work. One pass and its done. The broaches are 1.5 t0 2 meters long

@johnjohn-ed9qt 5 жыл бұрын

Very nice explanation of the tool setup and reasoning. Do you prefer this to a broach? Or it it lack of having the broach? As much as I like using the shaper, I also could do fine without it if I needed space. By the way, what was the joke? Did I miss something?

@StefanGotteswinter 5 жыл бұрын

Because I neither have a large (or any for that matter..) press nor a broach :)

@WacoA.I. 5 жыл бұрын

That's some fancy grinding. I would have liked to see that as well.

@hughmac13 5 жыл бұрын

Me too.

@EDUTAMARIU 5 жыл бұрын

Me too!!

@chandradharkoneti 4 жыл бұрын

Me too

@JCisHere778 5 жыл бұрын

Auch noch am multitasken in der Bude 😁 sehr schön

@charliespann3967 5 жыл бұрын

Great idea. Thanks

@misterferien 5 жыл бұрын

You're lucky to own such a mill. I do the job on my lathe (old maximat compact) using the tailstock.

@nicholasceea4109 5 жыл бұрын

I love opening the window on a summer night and listening to shaper noises.

@emilgabor88 5 жыл бұрын

it is very nice to have a shaper. that's why I have 3 milling machines

@hansfritz7827 5 жыл бұрын

Hi Stefan, nice hand wheel you have, where do you buy that from? Regards

@luisalbertotrazzi7366 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing

@mpetersen6 5 жыл бұрын

A Knuth Cutter Grinder. Ironically the Midwest or maybe the US distributor is about 70km from my house. Plus we've got a Knuth lathe at work that runs 750 mm over the cross slide.

@StefanGotteswinter 5 жыл бұрын

Ha :D The grinder is a nice kit.

@MaxWattage 5 жыл бұрын

Nice video as always. Glad to see this single-tooth "shaping" technique doesn't damage the mill. I'm going to try it out myself. I still suspect that using the mill to push an actual broach through metal would damage the mill's z-axis rack & pinion; it's not an Arbor press after all.

@StefanGotteswinter 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yeah, definetly not try to push a normal broach trough a bore. Thats what arbor presses are made for ;)

@luism.27 4 жыл бұрын

Good work Stefan, I have a mill like yours and I would like to put some gas pistons in it. Could you tell me the type and specifications of those you have placed in your MB 4 and how they work. Thank you. Greetings from Spain.

@georgebliss964 5 жыл бұрын

Easier on the lathe using a square tool bit. That 2 degree back rake as you describe it is actually a clearance or relief and the 10 degrees is the positive cutting rake.

@IBWatchinUrVids 5 жыл бұрын

Your video and editing is getting so good, Chris over at Clickspring is going to get upset. I would also like to see the grinding of the tool.

@normanfeinberg9968 5 жыл бұрын

That's something I would do with my limited equipment.with U tube by my side all things are possible thank's Stefan

@aaapiranha 5 жыл бұрын

Can you please tell me what size your Kant Twist clamps are? Or a link. Thanks heaps. Love you videos.

@beachcomberbob3496 5 жыл бұрын

Would you advocate this method for steel and cast iron also?

@Toolman22364 5 жыл бұрын

Good video

@SteveSummers 5 жыл бұрын

I enjoy grinding the tool. Probably is faster than going through the setup on the shaper, especially scene you were already boring it on the mill anyway. Nice work.... Where are the cutter grinder videos?? ;-) Thumbs up

@sr.fudensio2023 5 жыл бұрын

cool what is the name of this tool that you wrapped in comparator clock

@erikmewes6428 5 жыл бұрын

You can also do this on the lathe compound.

@Engineerd3d 5 жыл бұрын

Stefan. Now what do I do with my atlas b7?

@HenrietteCNC 5 жыл бұрын

Danke Dir für den herrlichen Tipp, wie man bei der MB4 die Spindeldrehung arretieren kann. Ich habe sogar den gleichen MT4-MT2 Adapter wie Du :-)

@Tf9500 5 жыл бұрын

Thinking outside the box, good idea quicker than a broach

@ls2005019227 5 жыл бұрын

I understand your reason for selling it; but it's tasks like this that I enjoyed seeing your setup and use of the shaper. Great video nonetheless. Thanks!

@fanienaude3313 5 жыл бұрын

Im sure it is illegal to sell Shapers in Germany. Minimum 10 year jail time.

@akfarmboy49 5 жыл бұрын

so Stefan can make videos from prison shop?

@misterferien 5 жыл бұрын

It's not illegal, the the truth is, you can not buy them in Germany...

@sblack48 5 жыл бұрын

Shame! Shame! How could you??? 😰

@Juxtaposed1Nmotion 5 жыл бұрын

Why is this so? as a Canadian, I am a bit confused lol.

@santopezzotti730 3 жыл бұрын

Hi thanks for your videos they are great. I need to make a L-1 spindle back plate for a chuck. I was going to make it out of 1018 steel. I don’t have a sharper or a broch set. Any ideas?

@rickbrandt9559 5 жыл бұрын

Versatile Stefan Done many times on my mill. Do what you gotta do with whats available. Key board commandos have all the "shouda-woulda" answers before they even post an intelligent question. Slot on my lathe also using carriage.

@2deetwo 5 жыл бұрын

Where do you get those needle point oil bottles?

@MSM5500 2 жыл бұрын

I didn't get how you set the cutter so that it cuts the keyway slot symmetrically towards the hole center?

@vincei4252 5 жыл бұрын

Oi m8 you got a loisence for that copy of Dave CAD ?

@lucwybo 5 жыл бұрын

For a few keyways I use the same method. The new(very old) machine is this for milling tools or only for round grinding for precise axes?

@StefanGotteswinter 5 жыл бұрын

It is a tool-grinder, but I want to do primarily round parts on it.

@jonathanr7436 3 жыл бұрын

Very nice sir

@teipplestar5586 5 жыл бұрын

Aside from excellent work and youtube channel, what is the name of the opening /closing song?

@pierresgarage2687 5 жыл бұрын

I don't have a shaper and absolutely no room to have one, even a very small one, so, my mill has been slotting the slots... ;) Nicely cut Tool though...

@WoLpH 5 жыл бұрын

Poor man's shaper. As long as it works ;)

@jimsvideos7201 5 жыл бұрын

SG-CAD, nice.

@StefanGotteswinter 5 жыл бұрын

I tried Davecad, but it always wants to draw with an australian accent.

@wino4340 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Stefan...I have a question about the front relief angle on the cutter, which you said was 10°. I have read that the front relief should not be more than a degree or two as anything much greater than that could cause the cutter to dig in. I have experienced this during an attempt of mine to cut a keyway in this way with my mill. I had a very hard time cutting the keyway even taking cuts of .001". My question is: How critical is the front relief angle on a cutter of this sort? I have projects that require keyways and I don't own a shaper or broaches. Thank you in advance.

@zedo5851 5 жыл бұрын

Nice job. Any thoughts when doing ferrous material to first milling a slot to size and then finishing with the keyway cutter to square up the corners?

@StefanGotteswinter 5 жыл бұрын

I am comfortable to do a 5mm keyway in steel - for larger ones I would start with a narroe slotting tool. Or mill the bulk of it out.

@DSCKy 5 жыл бұрын

I was wondering why not mill out as much as you can... even with aluminum?

@StefanGotteswinter 5 жыл бұрын

Why should I make it take longer by adding a step? :D

@DSCKy 5 жыл бұрын

I guess that would be correct for soft materials. Just thinking it would be easier on the mill (more for harder materials). It looked much easier than I though it would be in aluminum.