God was never and will never be our consciousness……

True

​@@BBunnythaPhilosiopherwhat do you mean, can you explain further.

Way beyond Buddha.

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There is no where to go, when there is awareness, that there is only observation then life transforms. No Separation between you and the world, no beginning no ending.

@@lungarotta Firstly I will say that I have read many of the books written by Krishnamurti, so when I say I discovered ‘observation without the observer’, I mean that I was primed by reading those books to interpret my experience in those words. I have virtually no knowledge of any of the World religious teachings. The experience I described happened over a year ago, and I have had the time since then to really strengthen and validate the experience, completely on my own terms. I live a relatively isolated life, and if I chose, I could see only a few different faces over long periods. This is important, because there is a guarantee of not being disturbed, or having to deal with any upsetting dramas, that could undermine the delicacy of unravelling my experience. In that unravelling I have found that my experience synchronises with the descriptions of enlightenment as written about, say, in Zen, for example (I had not studied any of these writings before). I will also point out that I come from a background of severe childhood abuse and so have been dogged with introspection in trying to sort out that mess. Examination, introspection, self analysis, soul searching, navel gazing - they are all 'crushingly' never ending. Observation is totally different. Because of the dynamics of ‘giving up’ and ‘abandoning interference’ (as I wrote), I had actually put myself in a position of losing all ulterior motives, without knowing. Anything that you do, that is motivated by self concern, will always be distorted by that very motive of self concern. But how do you lose self concern? Unfortunately, this is also self concern. When you are 'trying' to understand something you will be inserting your own biases and thoughts, and these will always be from the past, from the known (as Krishnamurti puts it) So we need a 'trick' of actually giving up trying to understand. But that ‘trick’ has to be spontaneous. And that is what happened to me. The reason it has to happen accidentally (like a trick), is because it is necessary to lose all ulterior motives. All ulterior motives are 'self' concern. This is why we have to 'give up' on all searching and spiritual ambition, (again, as talked about by Krishnamurti). But, when we give up, we also have to do it with a good nature and a good heart, we can't do it with bitterness and anger. I said that a mental filter was created. I have had time to examine this. It is a kind of trip wire - for me - it was when I gave up and abandoned all interference, because I knew, completely, it was useless. A Trip Wire means danger, so you step back. That 'danger' can form a permanent and real attribute of your mind. There is no longer any need to make any efforts to create it. It is always there. So introspection and examination end (the examination of my lady friend for example). There is fantastical joy when introspection and examination ends, it is a profound relief. But, when we give up (searching and examination), we also have to do it with a good nature and a good heart, we can't do it with bitterness and anger. Now, with this good nature, and having given up on self obsession, we still have thoughts and feelings and memories and problems, but now we can look at these things without needing to solve them, we can just observe them.

@@bh_486 oh great

@@bh_486 I have some doubt observing means don't look at thought they come and go or observing with thinking but without time?

@@akashdeep-xc6nc I don't fully understand your comment. But I will guess that you are saying that you interpreted my comment to mean that I was suggesting 'observation' (of thoughts) means not looking at thoughts. The 'time' aspect of your comment is interesting in itself. Firstly I did not write that observation means 'not looking'. What I wrote was - Examination and Introspection never end. I presume you are substituting the word Looking for the word Examination. The problem with Looking (or Examining), is that there is always a 'separate' Looker doing the looking, or Examiner doing the examining. The Looker or Examiner does not exist in reality. These entity's are created by thought and conditioning and are part of the thing being looked at. An eye cannot look at itself. A thought cannot examine itself. When this is tried, all kinds of interference is created, as when a microphone is moved too close to a an amplifier. Observation without an Observer is just sensitivity. With regards to time. I wrote that a 'filter' is created in the mind. This filter prevents actions such as Introspection and Examination from passing through, because they have been Fully Understood to not work. A Trip Wire is created in the mind. This action stops the flow of disturbing thoughts, they just can no longer penetrate into the considerations of Observation. As disturbance lessens the mind becomes quiter. As the mind becomes quiter and less agitated then disorder disappears. With regards to time. Because of the restraints of the 'filter', there is a kind of discipline and moderation created. This moderation keeps everything in the Now. There is no wandering off into fantasy or dramatic memories. Everything in your psychological life has to pass through this filter. This is Timelessness. (Psychological Time does not exist, in the same way that a Looker doing the looking does not exist).

Mainly not with ideas like ongoing motivations like manifestations, law of attraction, think positive etc,. and not understanding the very basic nature of human body and mind.

thanks for highlighting this excerpt from JK's speech. I hadn't noticed.

But what is the contribution of oneself (to humanity)? If one is not contributing to the stream of love and compassion with its intelligence, one is still contributing to the stream of human misery and sorrow. The contribution of others is of secondary importance, here. The crisis in one's own consciousness is much greater than that exists outside.

@@srinivasarao6171 very well articulated...also...as it can be observed...the crisis in one's own consciousness is creating the crisis/crises that exist outside...

@@udaybhaskar448 When one is attending to the crisis in one's consciousness, one is also attending to the crisis in (entire) human consciousness. In oneself the whole history of humanity is embedded and if one knows how to read this book of humanity, then one is contributing a new dimension to it. But to merely dodge the issue and pass the buck and to say that somebody has already done so and so is the essence of irresponsibility and stupidity. As oneself is the whole of humanity, why isn't that in oneself there is this radical mutation in the consciousness, which again is shared by all humanity. A radical change in one's consciousness affect the whole. It is my responsibility to attend to all this, otherwise I am still in the consciousness of time/thought with its misery, confusion, turmoil and conflict. Basta.

@Lagom There are no others. Is this a burning actuality with oneself? Or is this a simple imagination that this should become a common practice across the globe. There is a lot of difference between the two, isn't it? K time and again points out this very subtly to draw the attention of the listener. When the realisation of the fact that one is World and the world is oneself, there comes an extraordinary energy, strength, vitality, passion to meet 'what is' and to go beyond it. From this comes an altogether different action which is love and intelligence. One is afraid one is repetitive (of K's words) and a bit theoretical. Adios amigo.

Technically I think he's using that phrasing because it's common, but what he actually meant was that when one understands what he's saying you become peaceful/loving/compassionate. Transformation isn't done through practice or your own will, but rather comes as a result of realizing the truth. Seeing is doing.

If there is no past there is no future at all. As one thinks of future using past memories.

KZfaq already has a written transcript available. With a slight but of trying and looking closely I'm sure you'll find it. If it's not too much trouble...

you see at the right most icons (like,dislike,save there is the . . . icon click that and click show transcript)...

@Lagom Yep, in my case it's my great grandfather I am reminded of.

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mp2Wkq53zJawpIE.html

It is like a magnet if you break the magnet and then you try to join then both ends oppose each other

He is talking phycologically. He don't mind about politics. He is talking about our internal división as human being our conflict that drives to political divisions

Elaborate on the health of division. K just demonstrated on the conflict inherent in division.