Kidd may be useless but at least he had faith in the raid.

He disappointed even those of us that didn't ever have any faith in him

Poor Killer. He doesn't deserve this 2nd hand embarrassment smh

For me the main difference between the Kaido Incident and the Shanks Incident is that they didn't plan to fight Kaido, Kid and the other alliance members were taken by surprise and betrayed, so it makes sense that he didn't learn his lesson . As for Shanks, he went to him willingly, knowing the risks and confident he had a chance after helping to defeat Big Mom, only to be completely crushed, which would be a good starting point for gaining Character Development.

Luffy’s journey is the perfect example of “minor setback for a major comeback” Kidd got humbled too late to be a One piece contender.

Kid (and his “rivalry” with Luffy) reminds me of all the basketball players who got compared to Michael Jordan in their hs/college careers and then inevitably fell short the moment they hit the big leagues. He’s like the OP version of Harold Miner.

This doesn’t work exactly because Kidd didn’t just fight Kaido for the sake of it. It wasn’t out of his stubbornness and being naive enough to think he could take Kaido on. He got ambushed because of Apoo, it’s different fighting because you’d rather not submit, than fighting out of recklessness - that was the whole point of the Hawkins storyline. Fighting Shanks WAS naive and reckless, but clearly the two instances are VERY different, and it’s a lot more understandable being cocky when you’ve taken down BM.

What i like about Kid is that he's Luffy but actually having to face real consequences. I love Luffy but having a mirror character who struggle more to reach the same goal is even more inspiring. Also punk asthetic, rad as hell.

Interesting how Kidd is an example of a character who didn’t take Blackbeards advice at Mock Town. Some fights aren’t worth fighting on the climb to the top yet over and over again Kidd would get into fights with people way about his level.

Kid's purpose in the story was just to hype up Shanks.

I feel like a big problem with Kidd’s story is that Oda DID intend for him to play a bigger part in the story. But as he said the fans ended up loving Law more than him so he focused on Law. Kinda sad. I really like his design and him being basically the opposite of Law, who is calm and collected, while he is hard headed and aggressive.

To me, Kid is a "red herring" rival. He was built up as a rival to Luffy, a version of Luffy that didn't take a 2-year break to train for the New World. In the end, Kid was used to show the audience a glimpse of how strong Shanks really is. Because Kid isn't Luffy's rival, the other Yonko are; Shanks & Blacksbeard.

kid is not a Rival , he is the kiba of one piece

This has to be one of the funniest videos he’s ever released 🤣

I like the comparison to Moria. A potential big shot at the time who never had what it took to really hang with his contemporaries once they all hit their stride.

I think one of Kidd's largest issues in the story is that he's always featured along side Law. Law's ability stands out more and is way more interesting and his more laid back nature has him mesh better with Luffy. If Kidd had been featured by himself earlier then he probably would have stood out more and been a more interesting character.

The community is going crazy about Kid losing like this but to me it made perfect sense. I never got the impression Kid was a serious rival to Luffy, in my mind his role was to fall short of Luffy somewhere before Laughtale arc. There was never any space in the story for him to do anything else

I think the second his crew gave up the poneglyph rubbings, it was a wrap for his story. The literal physical representation of his hopes and dreams and sign of his progress in the pirate king race was snatched away. If he isn't straight up dead yet, he's definitely not playing any major role i figure. He was just food for Oda's son. Shoutouts to Killer though, gonna miss him

I personally see Kidd as a cautionary tale which embodies the lessons presented in the very first chapter of the entire story: The sea is full of dangers, and pride is neither a good reason to hurt someone (like Higuma) nor something worth getting hurt for (Like 7-year-old Luffy). The only thing truly worth fighting and dying for is your friends (Like Shanks). Kidd doesn’t pick his battles, and he doesn’t hesitate to kill or throw himself in harm’s way because his pride always gets the better of him. He’s in many ways the opposite of what Shanks represents (He even lost the same arm for nearly the opposite reason), making his recent defeat at the hands of Shanks very thematically appropriate… I can’t say whether Kidd is ever going to grow as a character, but if he does, Shanks could very well be the one to bring it out of him. I believe Kidd is presented as being similar to Luffy in many ways precisely to highlight this area where they differ, and not because he’s supposed to be some major rival to Luffy. After all, by your own analysis, nothing else in the story backs that notion up.

Actually the strawhats got annihilated twice too. Just before Water Seven, Aokiji shows that they can't do nothing against him and they only live because of their mercy. It didn't stop Luffy going after Robin after that and also after being crushed by Lucci. Being crushed at Sabaody didn't stop Luffy trying to save Ace in Impel Down and Marineford, where he was outmatched multiple times. And he would just keep going if wasn't for Rayleigh. Kid just didn't have a mentor, but being crushed multiple times and not changing much is very much Luffy like. Not having many wins to show is where the similarity ends

If oda can redeem bellamy, he can redeem kid. However it gonna take A LOT more work because kid had so much riding for him compared to bellamy who we would've never thought of to come back. I think the main difference between kid and luffy is that unlike kid luffy actually befriends nearly everyone he meets giving him greater success in the long wrong. Kid does not do this making it so he doesn't have the safety net that luffy does whenever he fails so it'd hit that much harder for kid.

Leave him alone, hes already dead 😭. Kicking the poor man while hes down

Maybe I'm alone in this. But while there were a few things that hinted at a rivalry, I always more viewed Kidd as a discount Luffy that was going about everything wrong and would never go as far.

I think the most satisfying turn out for this situation would be if Killer was the only survivor somehow, and Killer was the one to build the crew out of the remaining supernovas. Could be why we've gotten better character writing out of him.

This is a perfect breakdown of exactly why Kid feels so strange in the story. No shade to Kid fans for their preferences, but I always feel confused when I see people hyping him up - because it's just not there in the story. He's great as a character concept and that SHOULD justify fans. But what great Kid moments are there to explain why anyone would have him as a favorite?

One of the greatest comebacks I’ve seen from a rival was Kai from beyblade coming back from a devastating loss against the final boss and managing to defeat him before Tyson even did. For me, Kid would need something like that to truly redeem him in my eyes.

2:56 "Kid is the only other pirate among the worst generation with conqueror's haki" Zoro: Am I a joke to you?

The concept of Kidd was amazing but oda doesn't want to let anyone take luffy's shine. Kidd was done criminally wrong and it's like oda dies it intentionally. I mean even his fighting style is just throwing metal around and being physically strong. The guy has on actual fighting ability almost like oda didn't even think to give him anything but his df. Kidd should have been great a ruthless version of Luffy who doesn't just laugh off everything. He should have been shoulder to shoulder with Luffy until the fight for pk where Luffy surpassed him but it's just comical to try and compare the 2.

Main issue is we never saw him win before. Lets use naruto for example. Before sasuke lost to bee, we saw him win against dedira, ororachmaru and itachi. We never saw kid win except against big mom but that was a team up.

I thought that Kid and LAw were somewhat decomposites of Luffy. One is a Conquerer with a 1st Mate specialising in Blades that is a Supernova, Another is a Will of D holder with a busted DF, also a backstory with a Potentially Former Celestial Dragon being a role model in their lives.

The only part of Kidd that really shows him as an equal to Luffy was his original bounty but then you learn that he’d attack civilians and then it looses the impact of him being more wanted by the marine’s than the guy that’s never hurt someone innocent.

One thing said about luffy is that he draws people to himself. The thing about magnetism is it can draw people too, but only if it’s pointed the right way. Kid just needs to turn some things about himself around and he could be every bit as ‘magnetic’ as luffy.

After Dressrosa I expected we’d get a full development for Kidd as good if not better than Law. So I waited and waited. Then we got to Wano and I was legitimately happy to see him. “Finally we’ll learn more about him” But… no. Nothing new. It’s true Wano was overcrowded but there was plenty of opportunities to give Kidd some character development. Killer is the living proof of that. Right now I’m more invested in Killer than Kid. Kid can die or come back stronger than ever ; I-just-don’t-care-anymore.

Ls in the chat for captain Kidd

hes my fav rival, not every rival has to be insane and just as strong as the protagonist, kidd actually gave it his all and failed, i like that.

I think what Kidd's role in the story was that he was meant to show that even if you do indeed progress alot as a pirate and even enter the new world, that there is still a chance that you might get completely annihilated. Kidd got too ahead of himself for his own true good and he ended up paying the price, his defeat at elbaf showed that you can't start to get cocky after some decent progress and that there will still be a greater threat then the threat you overcame the last time.

I think the problem is so many people wanted Kidd to be the Vegeta to Luffy's Goku. I never looked at him like that so I don't think he's the "worst rival ever" or whatever. He's a side character who wants the same goal as Luffy and that's it. As explained in the video, we don't even see him enough to understand him, root for him or know how strong he really is. He's not that major of a character for me to care about him getting destroyed by Shanks.

To have him in Wano ultimately feels like an after thought. He was only there to have it make sense narratively to take down a Yonko with two of the best in the worst generation.

I'm not a Kid fan but I will give him one thing. He does have a strong will even after all those L's.

Kidd has the potential to be a decent at best rival with all Morj said

Love it when Morj sends subliminal shots about some of Wano being bad and pointless. He still keeps at it, and I love it😂

I think the story oda had in planned since the beginning started with him being defeated by shanks. His involvement in wano is like a side quest/filler. Ever since the start, his planned to fight with shanks and now he lost against him. Even if you remove all his storyline in wano, nothing important happens there for his character. only his reputation has increased. His real character story will play out now, whatever oda intend to do.

I always thought it was a missed opportunity that Kid didn’t have advanced armament before Luffy, the type that the scabbards had just to showcase how Kid has been fighting for two years straight.

Kid is the definition of getting it out the mud. Kid didn't have any formal training, special 5 billion beri devil fruits, or a special family. And yet, he stole Big Mom's Poneglyph, stood alongside the other supernova and took down two Yonko, no advanced haki either. When Kid comes back, he's going to be damn near unstoppable, with advanced haki, new methods of using his df, plus a new ship made using giant metal with his df.

From the Kidd is the next yonko vid to this Wano was a wild ride for morj lol

I never thought he was supposed to be Luffy rival. I don’t think any character in one piece can be considered Luffys rival except shanks.

Personally, I like Kid's arc in the new world as a parallel to Luffy always getting back up, "reassembling himself" like Morj said. In all fights Luffy should have lost, but he always bounced back after getting cornered. The strawhat's journey has somewhat become predictable to a point that a Luffy defeat really seems like a waste of time, until he comes back up again. Kid, on the other hand, always reassembles after complete destruction. He gets bodied by his arrogance, but his will keeps going, until he reaches a new height. His confidence is overwhelming and always leads to his defeat, but without Luffy's power and crew, he can't keep up and just gets demolished. On Wano, I think that Kid had a journey to trust other people (since he got betrayed), just the right kind of people (luffy and law), to get what he needed. In elbaf, his crew just turned the poneglyphs and got annihilated anyway. I believe what will happen is that he will come back up and learn to pull the right kind of people closer, as is killer, as a parallel to his power of magnetism. I seriously believe a moment with Kid being impressive, like taking a pacifista by himself, would have done wonders to hype him up and kept him hyped. But honestly, Oda probably had too many things on his plate at sabaody and Wano and couldn't flesh him more. Hopefully he will get a better treatment, that includes his arc in Wano, in a substantial way.

I honestly don't think we'll see a Kid comeback. Him losing his poneglyphs is the issue here. The reason why he got passed around was for those glyph rubbings and he finally succeeded. Only for Heat to give them away. They effectively represent his progress towards his dream but that's been given away (We don't even know if Shanks was going to ask for them). To me it shows that his crew (aside from Killer, my beloved) weren't serious about trying to make Kid PK. To compare, the SHs would rather die than talk shit Luffy's dreams, let alone handing over the keys to said dream.

9:37 "Haha, only if I lose!!" what was blud waffling about 💀

This dude creates his own head canon with his awful theories and is now messing up his analysis, the whole character flew over his head lmao

Useless Captain Mid and his first mate Filler 😂😂😂

Kid is one of my most loved characters. He will be back, like you said, his character is all about getting destroied and assemble the pieces

Man Kid had so much potential, I feel like if he had just gotten 2 or three big moments in the Big Mom fight he would have been fine

Interviews with Oda really are a gift or curse that can bring clarity or confusion! I can’t make my mind up if Oda is planning for Kid to be a important character and he’s not dead or if he just mad Law the important character after he saw how popular he was 🤦‍♂️

Kid was Shanks’ opposite; he prioritized strength, he murdered the innocent, he repeatedly jumped the gun and fought opponents well-above his level, and he got his ass kicked - he’s everything we learned couldn’t make it in the Grand Line during the East Blue arc distilled into a “how not to” guide on being Pirate King.

I’ve never seen Kidd as Luffy’s rival especially for the One Piece. The closest thing Luffy has to a rival is probably Blackbeard, which is a much more antagonistic relationship. If Shanks is truly going after the One Piece, I believe Kidd’s entire purpose was to show that Shanks will be Luffy’s rival and has been since the very beginning. It only takes a few seconds of critical thinking to realize there’s no way Kidd was actually being built up as Luffy’s rival. It was pretty obviously all in Kidd’s head and Kidd was the only one who saw it that way. His delusional sense of self led to his downfall, it’s been pretty in our faces the entire time. Just look at the facts: Luffy defeated Kaido with an overwhelming show of strength whereas Law and Kidd got really lucky and used their environment to their benefit. They didn’t even knock her out like Luffy did to Kaido directly, they just removed her from the situation. I believe Kidd has actually had multiple Sabaody level events for himself and his crew including most of his run ins with emperors prior to 1079. Like when he got his arm removed by assumedly Benn Beckman, or the time his crew was imprisoned and tortured by Kaido for months, etc. The point being that Kidd has actually had plenty of opportunities to grow as a person and chose not to out of a false sense of superiority.

Even Morj, Professor of One Pieceology Morj, is joining in on the Kid slander.

I think the big difference between his defeat against Kaido is that he could blame Apoo and Hawkins for the betrayal this is actually the first time he can only blame himself for everything

Luffy and Kid are both stubborn but the difference is that Kidd is arrogant that don’t learn from his mistakes and don’t take advice even from his closest friend. Luffy takes advice from everyone from Shanks to Vivi to Iceberg from CP9 from Jinbe from Blackbeard from many people he mets along the way Luffy is stubborn to accomplish his goal as being captain and becoming pirate king he is not arrogant. We saw that in Arlong Park that Luffy was aware of his short comings and had his crew help him with it and took many advice along his journey Luffy has empathy Kidd has arrogance Luffy does everything in his power to be the best captain he can be and is open to criticism and advice in hard times for example when he lost Ace and needed his crew the most he took Rayleigh advice and was away from his own crew for 2 years even tho he needed them the most.

This made me realize how much development we have on killer. Maybe we are watching his backstory play out, leading to kids death and him becoming the captain and straw hat grand fleet ally? Or at least ally

I don't know what people were expecting but Kidd and the other Supernovas (aside Luffy and Zorro) were not supposed to become the real deal in the New World. Their purpose was/is to either become temporary ally with the SH like Law (from Punk Hazard to Wano), Capone Bege (on WCI), Kidd (on Wano), now seemingly Bonney on Egghead Island or to become foes like Apoo and Hawkins on Wano. Kidd might well not have any relevancy for the future of the story as he fulfilled his purpose already. I do not care if he becomes food for the fishes and see monsters or if he survives but I do feel for Killer and the crew.

I think it’s unfair to say Kidd is a bad rival. He was never really set up as a rival in the first place. Luffy doesn’t necessarily have a direct rival. The closest is BB since they started their journey as captains around the same time. But even then he’s not really a rival. He’s an antagonist with many similar parallels.

It would have been so cool if Kid realised the Pacifista was metal on Sabaody, allowing him to immobilise and actually defeat it Solo, maybe with a super powerful "spear" attack where he launches himself at the immobilised Pacifista (like a particle accelerator). Obviously with broken bones, but it would show how he is as strong if not stronger than Luffy + Zoro + Sanji at the time (who needed to trio tag team to beat 1), assuming his opponent was metal. Unfortunately not enough time to show him being a compelling rival to Luffy.

Luffy’s rival is Blackbeard. Law and Kidd have always been steps behind Luffy.

The only reason why I see this happening (and this is a long shot) is so it'll be revealed that Killer actually is part of the 3 eyed tribe and Shanks crew needs someone to read the poneglyphs. Similar to how everyone thinks BB is going to capture Law and not kill him, I think it'll be the same for Kidd and Killer. I don't see the whole crew getting back together as much as I see him being a prisoner of the Red Hair Pirates and having to be humiliated when they eventually see Luffy again.

I can’t help but love kidd. I also think his devil fruit/its awakening will be very relevant in the plot going forward/at the end: I think he may have something to do with redefining/discovering the log pose lines, even finding Elbaf as all of that works off magnetism. If Aokiji/sakazuki can change the climate of an island I think there’s a solid chance that some magnet magnet fruit user in the past had something to do with the current magnetic/navigating mess of the grand line in the current day.

this was the first time being shown kid's defeat. and other defeats were seen as setbacks whereas this (also being the actual first time shanks has legitimately displayed his true strength) was really emphasized as an utter and terrifying annihilation. you're right tho, had kid had more focus, or maybe already had a headstart on poneglyphs and a larger crew with more resources. something like gary oak to ash. then seeing this defeat would have meant more for seeing kid wiped out.

with oda using real pirate for the name reference, I think with captain kidd story is just like the real story, the unluckiest pirate known to.

He's called Useless Cappin Mid for a reason

Kidd had so much potential, but the way Oda handled him was disappointment after disappointment. When Oda dropped his backstory in an SBS, that was the final nail in the coffin imo. Another casualty of character bloat, I guess

I think calling Kid Luffy's rival is a misunderstanding of the character. From the start it was pointed his higher bounty pre-timeskip was due to him ruthlessly killing even innocent people, versus Luffy who's exclusively came from defeating powerful figures. He's set up to basically show the Bounty system isn't a power level, but just notoriety. Kid is arrogant character who mistakes his notoriety for power. Notably he gets jealous at Luffy mostly for simply being present at Marineford and credited for the raid which indicates he's more interested in infamy. it wouldn't really make sense for him to ever equal Luffy in power when he never really learns his lesson. It makes sense he stays arrogant because his world view keeps getting reinforced despite his defeats because he's still fairly powerful, awakens his devil fruit and his bounty keeps going up, so it makes sense he never changes. It's a fitting end that his crew would be get wiped out by Shanks. Because his arrogance lead him to increasingly overestimate his power and think he could go 1-on-1 with the Emperors just because he "beat Big Mom". Plus Blackbeard is Luffy's rival.

"Don't flatter yourself, you were never even a player" *- Azula*

I was willing to oversee everything cuz he was a cool concept and expected some payoff. What a letdown though.

Damn bro, Morj really covering Kid’s casket with the dirt at this point

I think the reason some readers are disappointed is that they expected more of Kid than what Oda intended. Think about it: Morj brings up Sasuke and Vegeta as a comparison, but is Kid anywhere near their level? Those two are like the deuteragonists of their stories. Then there's Kid, one of the *eleven* hotshots that landed on Sabaody. His biggest showing is that he had a supporting role in the story's 31st arc. Simply put, I don't think he's anywhere near as important to One Piece than what Sasuke or Vegeta or Bakugo are to their series.

Kid was never defeated by Big Mom. Those were rumours. Is says that in the panel you’re showing. Funnily enough in the panel before Kid says he lost to Shanks, he said that he injured one of her commanders, got what he wanted, and left.

I’m convinced Oda just doesn’t know what he’s doing

Kid is done. He is the real embodiment of an MC but without plot armor. This is Oda literally saying you can't survive any anime without plot armor 😂😂. But I also like your point about Kid's magnet power always assembling him back even though he's been broken apart many times. After all, the devil fruit chooses its user. I hope he will get his comeback. If not he's always been "Useless Cap Mid"

This is the reason why I like BB in one piece , He has so much patience , He make his move only when he is ensured that he gonna win , He messed up with whole WB pirates , He knew the consequences , But he ran away as quickly as possible from new world to Paradise , He never ran into WB pirates himself , He knew he and his crew isn't ready to deal with WB , Instead of that he followed the path of his goal , He made plan of becoming Seven warlord , he knew WB never gonna spare him , He knew Ace is chasing him , he took his time to master yami yami no mi , And then took ace , Defeats him and turn him to WG , which made him seven warlord , And he had plan of Invading impel down to recruit fearsome pirates , again planning from BB is so accurate , And his luck was also supporting him through the path , he knew His crew isn't ready to clash Red hair pirates , He refused to fight , Kidd would have never got him and his crew in trouble if He was smart enough to not follow your anger but follow your goal Edit - also i see so many people who tag BB as coward who takes advantage of certain conditions to gain success well that's why BB is emperor , people criticize him for using his brain and seizing opportunities , If he would have gone recklessly like Kidd , the same fate was waiting for him which Kidd got , same i could say for Luffy , Reyleigh train Luffy that's why Luffy gaining success in new world , BB during the incidents of wano was chilling in hachinosu island just to launch full attack on whoever survives wano , But he never went to wano coz he knew taking on two Emperors isn't easy , storytelling of oda about BB is so damn good

Morj I feel as though you miss part of the point of Kid's character. From the get go whe was shown to be "like luffy" except that the major difference was Kid's disregard for civilians. His moral compass is much shallower than luffy. The contrast of the giants using the same words as shanks in romance dawn; shows that Kid's selfish desire is something that differs from luffy. Luffy will slow or stop his journey to help someone he just met; to save a country or rescue someone. Kid was shown early to devastate innocent people during his conquests. Shank's future sight shows that Kid has NOT learned any lessons like Luffy did; that he has a disregard for life that luffy does not; and is lacking the honor that luffy and shanks have. Kid isn't a rival; but a contrast for luffy to show how important luffy's strengths are BESIDES his devil fruit/stregnth/haki/etc. Kid isn't just luffy without the lesson of sabaody; kid is luffy without shank's influence and honor.

Was never a Kid fan but always gave him the benefit of the doubt. But man, Its really sad if this is how Kid is gonna go out. Oda would really waste this character.

The strangest thing about Kidd is how his DF is used. There’s just no reason why he didn’t make Punk Megazord or Gundam, like a junk supersized Franky Shogun similar to what Bullet made. Then he can at least coat it in Haki for a really cool black mech with magnetic weapons..

This man Lorj cannot stand when his theories don’t come true 😂

I think the main counter to this is the sheer amount of controversy and discussion Kidd's loss generated. Kidd getting one-shotted was insane specifically because Kidd is NOT a disappointment. He was able to go toe-to-toe with multiple Yonkos, tank multiple direct hits, and finally topple Big Mom with a little help. His oneshot was so staggering and unexpected because it puts Shanks at a higher tier than many readers thought previously possible All of Morj's points hinge on Kidd being a letdown throughout the story and so he can't properly foil Luffy, but this is just wrong. He was a great initial narrative foil to Luffy by belligerently rushing into the New World and getting crushed. Then he established a rivalry dynamic with Luffy during Udon and we saw his character change and resolve strengthen, ultimately resulting in him helping the crew during the raid and taking down Big Mom (a HUGE and almost unimaginable W)

Kids role in the story was literally to show the dangers of the new world, how quickly your dreams can end, how Luffy could have been if he was unlucky or didn't listen to his crew more and he and Killer served as a way to give Shanks authority and eliminate Big Mom from the story. Literally every single one piece fan, YTer and creator 3-4 years ago asked how in the world could Luffy and the SHs beat two Yonko without ass pulls and guess what? Of all the criticism I hear ABOUT Wano, the defeat of Big Mom and Kaido aren't described as Ass Pulls. Wano was too long, had pacing issues and suffered from a bloated cast but tbh the role of Kid is not one.

One Piece Theory: Eustass Kid is the 7th Vegapunk Clone/Satellite. Links to this theory: • Most of his special moves have the word punk in there names: - Punk Gibson - Punk Rotten - Punk Vise - Dammed Punk - E.C.T • All the Vegapunk Clones/Satellites have a designated number and a Japanese kanji that signifies what personality trait their based off. There is also one personality trait that is missing from Vegapunk"s overall personality. I don't know what it is exactly. But for arguments sake, let's say it is Anger, Ego, or Ambition. Kid exemplifies each of these traits and could be at least one of them. And I know that it could of beeb imprinted on his left bicep. But he lost it in his first fight with Shanks during the two year time skip. Plus, in Sabaody. Kid always war his coat/cape over his left arm so that the audience couldn't see his bicep. And when he decided to fight Shanks again after the Wano arc. He decided to use his new move Dammed Punk. Which had 'Punk 07' written on the barrel. • His overall character design and Devil Fruit power could based off the victorian punk events mostly common in the United Kingdom. In fact, is ship is literally named Punk Victoria/Victoria Punk. • His crewmate and right-hand, Killer, wears a mask similar to the head/helmet of Punk 01: Shaka(Good). Which most fans think his based off the famous french music group Daft Punk. • During the end credits of the non canon movie, Film: Z. There was an image of Kid as a child with a wrench in one hand, and in the other a self-made toy robot. The image itself is non canon as well. But think about it, this could be the link to Kid being Vegapunk's relative/creation. And it was a hinted way back in 2012/2015. I can't remember when exactly this film hit the cinemas. • The start of the Egghead Island arc. When Punk 02, Lilith(Evil) was attempting to steal from the Strawhats at sea. She used 8 specific mechanical sea beasts to surround the ship that the head specific treat resembling the Satellites. Including, Stella (Original Dr. Vegapunk). And one of them also had specific traits that look like Kid. It had a red mayne and black horns. Kind of small easter egg there. • After Trafalgar Law was beaten by Blackbeard. He was in critical condition. So he could of been either left out of the story for a while, or killed off. So it would be natural for Kid to replies his role in the story for a while. Plus I assumed that something like this would happen after Wano. Because of the amount of time that Law has had with the Strawhats. Plus, by the end of Dressrosa. We pretty much covered Law's backstory, motivation, and potential. Imagine if we got the same for Kid in the next arc or so after Egghead Island. His popularity could rival Law's. So having a connection with a important figure like Vegapunk increases the value of him in the story. In other words, Oda needs to give Kid a good backstory to to give him motivation and purpose. Not that I don't like his character, but he does need a bit more of a kick.

The thing about kid and law is that Odesa had so many chances to give them Haki power up law vs the old member of the rocks pirates, and kidd could have trained in jail.

All these points make me think he's an even more well written character. Kid _is_ really similar to Luffy... except for their true ambitions and morals. Somewhat similar to blackbeard. Kid can barely do the right thing, and his mistakes catch up to him. Luffy's choices of morality gives him help from figures like Kuma where Kid would have just been killed by Kizaru if he did the same thing. He's not planning-oriented like Blackbeard, and he doesn't earn support like Luffy, so his future is always bleak.

It's known that the supernovas were a very late addition to the sabody arc. We've already seen a few of them pretty much become irrelevant already. I feel like Oda came up with the Kidd concept but never felt motivated to fully flesh him out or fit it into the overall narrative properly. Instead he just used him conveniently to add more bulk to Wano and hype up both Kaido and Shanks. I get the feeling he just didn't enjoy writing Kidd as a character as much as Law.

even if it isn't very long, I would love to see a straight up Kid and Killer vs Luffy and Zoro in Elbaf

This world ain't big enough for 2 red hairs. It wasn't Oda who offed Kid, it was Shanks.

I personally never saw him as a rival for Luffy

It's hard to say how the story will go, but I'm getting the impression that Shanks and Blackbeard are replacing Kid and Law as competitors for Pirate King and these crews have to be defeated one-by-one. Considering we know only the Straw Hats will come out on top, I wonder at what point Kid would finally lose the race if he's still supposedly going to hunt for the One Piece because of that burn scar hint.

Kid is such a strange character like he's built up with these little teases from Sabody through the new world where he's always portrayed as a little ahead of Luffy, he's already involved in the underworld his bounty is slightly higher he's also making an alliance, then Wano he's present, I really don't know why Wano wasn't more of his arc at least a more prominent version of his actual arc in Wano. His character is just so odd.

Killer feels more like a real character than a lot of other anime characters. This is what happens in the real world when you’re trying to make it to the top, you constantly get beat down especially if you’re stubborn and over confident. This defeat will probably make him finally rethink recklessly challenging people

Was he ever supposed to be a rival though? I never got the feeling Oda ever intended him to be one.

The potrayal of kid's character we got so far is through a very narrow lens. We have seen him getting smashed before getting back up again. But our focused periods of Kid was when he is with Luffy. Luffy is not a character who would not believe if the other person had a dream. But other characters with lofty dreams like Zoro and Coby decided to seek tutelage under the finest mentors they could possibly get. So did Luffy. Kid always seemed like a rival to Luffy cause Luffy let him feel that way and he was stupid enough not to understand the difference. The DBZ verse has a Vegeta but it also has a Yamcha who was shown as a possible rival to Goku for a long time.

I put off watching this as long as possible due to loving this thumbnail and wanting to keep seeing it in my feed.

Kidd tends to be the personification of the saying "biting off more than you can chew" when it comes to his actions/tenacity within the series.

Let's be honest. Since we learned that Luffy´s straw hat was Roger's, the only character that is possibly a threat to become pirate king is Blackbeard. The Supernova were always just a bunch of people destined to fight alongside Luffy. So, for me, the rivalry was never meant to be taken seriously, but the thing is that for the characters inside the story, that is not clear. Even after Wano, neither Law nor Kid knew that Luffy was an actual god and that destiny had been moving the threats behind the scenes since the very first chapter.