The fortify change is good. We just can't allow VP's within deployment zones with this new scouting option, which is probably already the better way to set up boards. Now, more central VPs will be open, and you'll need to lose your scouting benefit to place a barricade on a VP that is easier for the enemy to use it for themselves. Similar thoughts on Recon. I think the negatives the changes bring is more indicative of poor terrain layout, and I bet once people start making boards with the changes in mind, we'll have a better game.

Absolutely wild they're changing so much of the core rules from the book as a pack of accessory cards I didn't think I even needed, rather than in a compendium book or pdf. They look cool, just absolutely baffled

Dont forget, vet guard can actually pick 2 scouting options with equipment. So they can use use 1cp to free dash for their operatives, then recon dash the sniper onto a vantage point with fly, then use the equipment for a 2nd option (fortify, and place the barricade)... so basically, before turn 1, your sniper is already on a vantage point with conceal behind cover...... How? AND I PLAY VET GUARD AND EVEN I AM BAFFLED

i realy hope that geedubs will include more scenario cards in white dwarfs now

Damn, the fortify on teams with double scouting is going to be broken too. Double barricades on vantage? Oof lol.

Tha is for the review. Appreciate your thoughts. 👍

Thanks for the great review. A question, are these intended to replace the current Tac-ops or do you choose which set to use? If yes will they be released as a pdf at some point?

Very cool review) and a good sense of humor)

Set up Operative changes look pretty fun. Makes it less feels bad for defender

Quesadilla deployment... 😅 I can get behind that. Lol.

On the scouting phase, it would make sense if fortify you place a baracade on vantage for the 1st round and then it gets removed on the 2nd round Same as when a player picks dash or change order, he gets it for the 1st round only so i think if choosing fortify would make the player place a baracade for 1 round only (1st round) then the baracde gets removed that would make sense

So you mentioned how Vantage affects the Corsairs, but how do you think the new Recon and Infiltration tac ops affect team with "do mission action for 1 less AP"? Is it a buff across the board? Are corsairs, Scions, and Wyrmblade ploys just weaker now?

ty for the american pandering John, we love a good hot dog deployment 🌭🌭

So dumb question...I have items to play kill team, but didn't buy a core set that came with the two Tac Ops decks. Do I need to buy a set of the core set Tac Ops AND this set? Or is this set a rerelease of the core set cards?

I think it kind of depends on the environment you're playing in how impacting some of these changes are. I personally love the changes to scouting because I'm usually playing with TOs who could frankly use some tips for board layout to the point that one side will have options to deploy on vantage points with cover and the other side won't even have a vantage point. That kind of situation means you're basically losing if you lose the attacker defender roll. In a perfect world with good board placement you're probably right these are going to break things. What I'm really not understanding is how this all impacts match play, or just any play in general. Are the original tac ops no longer valid? Are both valid and you pick one or the other. Assumedly this is going to be something determined by the TO but as someone who still finds themselves playing games commonly against opponents that don't even have the original tac ops cards I'm concerned about introducing what is essentially a required core rules supplement. If you have a lot of players in your area, probably no big deal but if you're struggling to find games in your area this is the kind of fracture that could kill the game in your area.

What i would rather see is data cards for kill teams instead of the whole codex rule book. Much easier to deal with small cards than flipping through a big book back and forth.

my pathfinders now have a a fortified vantage point and a free dash with my recon drone !!! and an additional CP .........lol this just got stupid .

Hi quick question, does the current FAQ address your concern about barricades from Fortify being placed on vantage points? Q: When setting up additional barricades (e.g. the Fortify option in the Scouting step), can they be set up on a terrain feature? A: No, unless that terrain feature has the Insignificant trait. That's in the current FAQ, and it seems to address your concern?

I generally consider playing Defender a big disadvantage. Until this change, I was of the opinion that Defender should get an extra CP. Layouts in open killteam don't often provide an asymmetric enough board to outweigh being counter deployed. While Into the Dark often funnels operative's along a path from deployment, which only makes Attacker counter deployment even stronger.

I found the 40k "Tempest of war" cards very useful... these look good to me.

I like the new box. But PDFs that showed how best to set up terrain, such as the PDF from the Warhammer World Tournament, are unfortunately becoming obsolete in the new missions, don't you think?

Are there 2 sets of tac op cards? One for you and the opponent? Or would you have to buy 2 decks

600… the amount of times you said dumb about the fortify change! Totally agree it makes no sense and has just made top tier teams even better?! Madness

There's no way the 3CP start is intended. They must be accounting for the 3rd you get from the first turning point.

Not a fan of these changes. The scouting phase changes seem bad, only being able to take one of your faction tac ops reduces flavor (and I don't think the change will speed up the game that much) and splitting up your troops into groups like warbands in Warcry seems mostly pointless. I don't see a reason to use these, personally, though there's still a bunch of missions in the other books and White Dwarf I haven't done yet.

This is gonna make into the dark way more popular

scouting fortify ... so bad, even with open VPs close to DZs

Not feeling it hoss. If this was a tenner, or bundled with White Dwarf, or distributed in event kits like 40k objective cards, or at the very least came with two sets of tac ops, then sure, it's a cool way to update the gameplay. But at 30$, so 60$ to replace both decks for playing at home with the mrs... Yeah no, that lands squarely in the 'what in the actual flying eff' territory for me.