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Kim Jung Gi was NOT Talented.

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Devin Art

Devin Art

Күн бұрын

Hey everyone, back with my biggest and most ambitious video yet. This is something I've wanted to discuss for quite some time. I hope you enjoy it and hopefully learn something along the way. I grew and learned so much just with the research of this alone. Hope you enjoy.
Rest in peace Kim Jung Gi.
-Devin
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@levisimpson516
@levisimpson516 10 ай бұрын
Good video and spot on. My wife and I love to draw at Woodland Park Zoo, we do it at least a few times a year. This one particular moment this couple came up and just fawned over how talented we are, the gentlemen saying he could never do that, he never had the talent for it. So in a polite way I said it was less to do about talent and more to do with the time put into the craft. I mentioned that I couldn't build a cabinet, or a table or anything out of wood, I'm awful at it, and yet some people create beautiful work that way. The wife started giggling and the guy leaned back and smiled, the wife then looked at me and pointed to her husband and said, he's a carpenter. I freaking nailed the analogy so well they got it right away. It was a good conversation. It's interesting too because if you were to ever ask me what my talent is, I would never have said drawing. Growing up, I always felt like my "Talent" was in my physical ability, athletics, particularly playing football. That was what I knew, that was where my passion lied through my youth, that was my focus. That ultimately was not the path I ended up following, and art has slowly supplanted sports as my passion. And the more I do it, the better I get, it's as simple as that. :) Good video man. I think I'll go ahead and "Smash" that like button and subscribe. Haha.
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for the kind words. That anecdote is exactly what I love to hear. Conversations like this are exactly the reason I wanted to make this video. Admittedly a little tongue in cheek and spicy of a title (although I think artists will understand the title immediately) but I wanted to bring people in for discussions just like this. I strongly associate the word talent with a super power. People say I'm talented all the time but they probably wouldn't if they saw my first drawings... because they are unremarkable and the same as other children my age as I mentioned- a brief 20 year look of my drawings is shown at the end of the video as well where you can see me progress from mediocre to better. Talent would imply that I just picked up a pencil and knew all of this. I didn't. The main argument I'm trying to discuss is that people assume this about KJG but in the clip I show- he clearly describes the sacrifices he made to every other aspect of his schooling and grades. He was obsessed with drawing from a young age and managed to happen into iteration and perspective drawing earlier than others because he was interested in it. I highly doubt they were "good" drawings in perspective but he did them anyways. His immense skill is achievable through practical and deliberate application. I started drawing seriously and studying in the way KJG did a year or two after I graduated university. That would make me 23 or so, this was 9 years ago. I have been studying and working diligently for 9 years. By my age, KGJ had been studying effectively for over 20 years and then it was another decade before he was recognized the way he is today. Let's say that's 30 years of studying- looking at it through this lens makes it feel a lot more achievable. I'm not even going to begin to fathom where my art will be in 20 years, but I know it will grow and change like it did in the last 20, I mean lets be honest- it's only been about a decade or so. Anyways, sorry for the rambling, thanks for the comment and discussion. :)
@levisimpson516
@levisimpson516 10 ай бұрын
@@Devin_Art No worries about the rambling, I'm a notorious rambler myself, especially since I like to do most of my messaging and posting from a PC. I hate typing on my phone. But yeah, pretty much with you on all of that. It's just hard for people to see all the work that goes into something like KGJ's work. If anyone started at 6 years of age and developed an obsession with not only drawing, but drawing and pushing your skills, absorbing new knowledge, playing with it, and honing it then they too would be one hell of an artist. The crazy thing is, they would be different than KGJ, which is what makes art so cool, we all develop our own way of doing it, even with the same training. I myself try not to take to much offense to it when people say it. Mostly because I think for a lot of people they just haven't thought to deeply about the idea of talent, nor do they make the connection to something they themselves may be "Talented" at doing that they know was just a product of passion and work. Like the carpenter who spoke to me, we had the same skillset essentially just in different creative mediums. Learning to draw is learning a lot of skills and developing them, putting them into practice, and correcting mistakes or exploring different styles, wood working is much the same. One of the things I enjoy about my instagram page is that, while mostly it just being my daily drawings and sketches, I've been posting on it around 8 years or so. It's fun to go back and see what I was doing and how I was doing it. Actively looking at your old posts and sketchbooks is really, really good for you I think. It can be easy to get lost in looking ahead, wishing you were at a certain level and seeing other artists at levels you want to be at while forgetting where you were, how far you've come and knowing you will continue to go further. :)
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
@@levisimpson516 Absolutely, it's important to be able to look back and see your growth as an artist. I do the same if I ever feel like I'm spinning my wheels endlessly.
@jazzlehazzle
@jazzlehazzle 10 ай бұрын
Except for the fact that no matter how much you practice, you'll never be able to do what KJG did. Which is not a bad thing at all, bc you don't need to be achieve greatness. But talent itself is still a real thing, and both matter, in order to get to the level of a Kim Jung Gi.
@MalformedNPC
@MalformedNPC 10 ай бұрын
It's the fear of failure that has ruined every one of the many pursuits I've had over time. That negative pattern is definitely a dream killer.
@miniscribbler7638
@miniscribbler7638 10 ай бұрын
you have only truly failed when you stop trying. or so ive heard.
@c.glazercrush3994
@c.glazercrush3994 10 ай бұрын
As for Kim if you take talent off the equation as a definition,he has patience and attention to detail.Though I'll also mention even out of experience talent must be maintained. How you see a thing in your mind and put it on paper is all from you,that has to be understood as talent and vision. Though we dissect it we shouldn't take away from the artist, Artist are and should remain necessary even with the ai version around.
@lorenzomizushal3980
@lorenzomizushal3980 9 ай бұрын
No, the problem isn't fear of failure which is natural, who isn't afraid of failing? The problem is how we deal with that fear, some run away from it while some try to overcome it.
@rhythmrainbow
@rhythmrainbow 10 ай бұрын
Everyone draws differently. When you learn to draw in love you will never lose in art. You don't master everything, you master yourself.
@tim_means_heart
@tim_means_heart 7 ай бұрын
I'm lucky to have met Kim Jung Gi a few times before his passing and what really striked me and motivated me even more is that he never claimed to be this super talented guy but just somewhat who put hours and hours into his work regardless of the end result being good or bad. He always said that the most important thing was to be consistent and not too regarding towards the quality of our work cause at the end of the day, if we strive to improve and grow up as an artist, we'll always find flaws in our work but that's what makes us better. I remember him drawing a staircase and telling us that while he was way above us on those stairs and we'll most likely never catch up to him because he got a good head start haha, it's just a matter of time before we get up to his current level if we just continue to climb. It's super cliché but coming from an artist like Kim Jung Gi, it really resonated with me. I was well aware of all that but seeing with my own eyes how "normal" master Kim was, it really struck a string in me and I think I'll remember him all my life. The real talent is to be able to put in the efforts to reach your goals. It's easy to boast confident but hard to back it up. A lot of people got "talent" but it amounts to nothing if you don't nurture it. When I look at famous historical figures, I can't think of any solely relying on their "talent". Kim Jung Gi was a lazy guy (by his own words) but he kept pushing and managed to leave his print in this world. I met him for the last time the very last day before his passing and I still can't believe he's no longer among us. RIP Kim Jung Gi. I hope you'll keep inspiring the future generations.
@chest2904
@chest2904 10 ай бұрын
Man, this video hit hard. I miss watching Kim Jung Gi draw so much. His livestreams did always lighten up my mood no matter how hard a day was🥲and even if "Talent" isn't the right word for his drawing level, he was one of the best artist of modern days (IMO) 💙
@TheLobstersoup
@TheLobstersoup 10 ай бұрын
You know - at my lowest point, I asked my (only) favorite teacher why he believed I would succeed with a Machinima-project I wanted to do. I had been at artschool for over two years. And in our third year the school told us we couldn't do individual projects, but they would assign us one instead. Reasons were the inability of the class ahead of us to finish most of their projects and difficulty in comparing/rating them. I had to do an add for jewelery, instead of making the teaser for my movie. This teacher said: "Devotion". He didn't even explain it. And I didn't give up, but I had to work for a living and took a small job, so I'd have time to draw and 3D-model. I didn't feel well and I got worse over the course of the next five years. I couldn't even hold a pen in the end, but no doctor found anything wrong with me, except higher than usual blood toxicity. In the end my pain was unbearable, so I had to rush myself to a hospital and they didn't find anything conclusive after ten hours of examinations. They said: we can try a longterm antibiotica treatment, or we can cut you open and see what's the matter. I didn't hesitate and agreed to the operation. I would be too weak if the antibiotics didn't work and I still wanted to make my project happen. It turned out I had a severe and unusual bowel issue and was on the verge of a sepsis. The surgeon who operated on me almost all night said: "two days later and there would have been nothing we could have done for you". I recoverd. It took weeks, months, maybe two years in total. I worked during almost all of that time. And I tried to work less, because I still dreamt of my project. But my boss just wanted me to work more and offered me a fulltime contract. I knew I couldn't go on like that, so I quit quite recently. All I wanted was to draw and paint again. This illness and the need to function in our society stole ten years from my life. The guys who ran the artschool (which went bancrupt the year after my graduation), they stole my chances at a good start for my project. But here I am, about a decade later, and I have just finished the first 70 panels of my graphic novel in color. I'm taking a break from drawing the cover for Book One, as I write this. Granted, it's not the 3D realtime movie I had envisioned. But it is still the same thing I wanted to make all these years ago; maybe with a bit better story even. And I still have ten more chapters to go :) The point of all of this is, my teacher back then, he was right. He knew me better than I did. Despite all that crap and the hospital, despite my boss who didn't understand how important art is to my life, I am still devoted to the cause. In my language German the word he used is "Hingabe", which in direct translation means "to give yourself away". Destiny is a weird creature. I wish I could draw it. Maybe in my next book ;)
@sidburn123
@sidburn123 10 ай бұрын
facts 💯 "Talent is a word found in the mouth of the lazy to dismiss the hard work of those who have achieved" it's all hard work, if you asked other pro artists they would say the same thing.
@slave_planet
@slave_planet 9 ай бұрын
People who accuse others of being lazy because they acknowledge that talent is real are failures who know they don't have what it takes to achieve greatness but delude themselves with the fantasy that if they just "work hard" somehow they won't be mediocre nobodies . . . Which is what they are. If they even reach that level.
@flowerbloom5782
@flowerbloom5782 5 ай бұрын
I feel like it’s not just hard work but smart deliberate practice. I mean you can draw a head 100 times. But if you practice poorly and learn incorrect methods. I think this is where people think the difference is “talent”. It’s more like they observe and go a step further in their practice to apply and adapt their learned methods to their own benefit.
@johnhansonn2759
@johnhansonn2759 10 ай бұрын
I kid you not, your title almost had me there. But as an artist myself, I started to reflect on my own creative journey and the step I took to get where I am now. I've been told my many people and even family that I had a "God-given talent." In truth though, I just loved drawing and obsessed over it, like many others artists have. So watching this, I understood what you meant immediately. Thanks again for this, man.
@martin4u2
@martin4u2 10 ай бұрын
Basically to summarize this video: Kim Jung Gi was the Rock Lee of visual arts...
@Cernunnnos
@Cernunnnos 10 ай бұрын
This argument is so annoying. It's both... It is BOTH! Kim Jung Gi had a phenomenal visual memory. Peoples brains work differently, some people have brains that work a certain way that gives them a boost in some area. It is what it is, but this motivated insistence that we pretend that the ONLY thing that contributes to an end result is work ethic is tiresome. Kim could not have done what he did if he didn't have a natural talent for filling a visual library. He put in a monumental amount of work to develop that in the way that he did. But without that natural ability to deconstruct the world the way he did, he'd never have become what he did. Kim Jung Gi was a once in a generation talent with a once in a generation obsession that allowed that talent to blossom. He was lightning in a bottle.
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
in the clip of the interview I put, he mentions that he thinks he "might" but also that he drew a lot, and makes it clear that it's more than most people think. It's not possible to know for sure, which is why I base my argument on facts I can and do know- he drew more than most people and studied the right thing. I'm not pretending that it's only a work ethic, its that in addition to obsession and interest. I argue a better word for talent is interest here as well. I only know what I know, so for me I started seeing massive improvements when I started studying and working the correct way. I see how much I've changed in the 8 or so years I've been doing that and think that logically; hmm, its not out of the realm of possibility to reach that level if I give myself another 22 years of the same discipline. I'm not special, I can just plainly see when I was mediocre at drawing was because I wasn't doing any of the correct things to improve. When I saw massive improvements was when I was putting in the work. I do not ascribe that to talent, and I think I come from a unique position where I have been drawing for my whole life but didn't see any real skill develop until I started doing the difficult process of self critique and assessment. It was an active choice to improve, not an accident. Had I kept going at the rate I was before putting in the difficult work, I might have thought talent exists as an intrinsic trait. I just don't accept that it's much of a factor. Every single one of my friends, peers and colleagues in the industry are doing the same things I've mentioned to improve their skill. And some of them put even more hours in, fill more sketchbooks and work harder than others which results in them having a higher aptitude. Thanks for your comment, but I disagree.
@Cernunnnos
@Cernunnnos 10 ай бұрын
@@Devin_Art just having a visual memory is leg up on the competition that doesn't in a visual field. Practice, serious study and paying attention to critique is what makes everyone better. But that doesn't mean people don't start from different starting points and have different ceilings. As I said. Kim Jung Gi was lightning in a bottle. He had a phenomenal visual memory (he just did, most people couldn't develop that given 100 years of observation and serious practice) and he was obsessive enough to grow that visual library in a way that could directly inform his art. Talent is as much a factor as hard work. Some people have an eye for shape language. Others for colour. Some people can build and insane visual library whilst others can't contour mental imagery at all. It just is what it is.
@steiff-art
@steiff-art 10 ай бұрын
what a refreshing video ... good to remind that what we call talent is in fact work, work and work and cope with the fact that good practice (and patience) makes "perfect" ... thank you so much !
@Aeris_InJapan
@Aeris_InJapan 10 ай бұрын
you need the talent of working hard.
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
That can be developed, I didn't work hard until I did.
@98ore
@98ore 10 ай бұрын
get your point but disagree, talent does exist. natural aptitude most certainly exists. doesn't mean you cant work hard and be successful.
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
You can't prove that it does with KJG, the only thing you can do is piece together his journey and hear his interviews and view his tenacity. No one knows what his drawings were like as a child. We do know what they looked like 25-30 years later. I'm not talking about genetically gifted athletes with things you can't train like wingspan or lung size. I'm talking about a regular able bodied person who puts in the correct labor and work for many years consistently. Rarity does not mean talent.
@jazzlehazzle
@jazzlehazzle 10 ай бұрын
Nonsense. Practice/training/development of course, and yes anyone can learn the craft, but at the same time, OF COURSE some people like K.J.G. are born with more predisposition to doing it more easily, sooner, and better than the rest of us, with far less practice. When that is cultivated, that's when truly incredible things happen. - Some people just take to some things more naturally than others, feel it in their bones, and then it becomes a self-reinforcing cycle of practice and aptitude. The difference between Mozart and Salieri. There is talent, which is a real thing, and those who have it absolutely deserve to be recognized & appreciated for it, even though most of us don't need it bc we don't need to be the greatest. Kim Jung Gi had extraordinary born talents, which he cultivated into exceptional skills by years of practice. No matter how much you or I practice, we will never be able to do what he could do. So don't help make our whole society into a meme of misconceptions that devalues the individual where kids aren't taught they have something special when they do. Talent alone is not enough. But at the highest levels of greatness like KJG, Kobe Bryant, Steph Curry, Michael Phelps, Michael Jordan, Robert Frost or Michael Jackson, hard work isn't enough either. It's when you put talent and hard work together that you get greatness.
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
I disagree and I am disappointed that you have set yourself up for failure under the guise of being "realistic or honest". I am nowhere near the level of skill that KJG was but I also haven't been studying for as long as he had. You don't have to put in the work if you don't want to, that's fine. But that's on you, that's your hang up and insecurity. Don't try to cope with your own personal shortcomings and poor attitude by wrapping me in with you, lmao. I'm not concerned with people that try to bring others down because it makes them feel more at ease. Check back here in 10-15 years, don't delete your comment- keep drawing and who knows- maybe your attitude will change and you'll be at a level you didn't think possible. I refuse to accept a self imposed limitation and we will see, in time who is right.
@angelbracero4053
@angelbracero4053 10 ай бұрын
100% agree with you. One must definitely have an interest in a particular subject in order to improve and grow as an Artist. Instead of " talent " we should call it INTEREST. Now! The practice we do to improve our Skillset must be INFORMED practice and not mindlessly doodling on a piece paper. Guided practice! Asking questions: HOW, WHAT or Why. Take notes. Study the notes. Take a break. Practice! Repeat!
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
I love that you actually watched the video instead of just getting angry at me and saying I'm jealous or some other such nonsense. It's almost as if most of the people getting up in arms over my argument chose to ignore the parts where I dive deeper and give examples. I guess we'll never know. Lol, cheers!
@user-pt7qv9ir8x
@user-pt7qv9ir8x 10 ай бұрын
ofcourse he was, he had great memory, and great imagination envisioning the 3d space in his head before putting it on the paper
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
because he drew a lot and developed his skill, as he mentions in the video. Talent does not exist, hard work and skill does.
@bharl7226
@bharl7226 10 ай бұрын
⁠​⁠@@Devin_Art But both are real factors that we deal with in reality, no? Similar to how nature and nurture are both factors that make up personality. Rather than only nurture/work existing, nature/talent also does, otherwise anyone could put in the same work to get the same resulting skill level. You yourself say in this video that even if you put in the work to gain the skill, not everyone will be able to achieve the same level of skill. And then there’s interest and mindset as well, like you mentioned, which could be considered parts of nature and/or nurture as well. So I think that he was both talented and skilled, as Proko said in the clip 😊
@TpDgreat
@TpDgreat 18 күн бұрын
the title of the video is false, talent exist! this artist realized that he had it and went for it his entire life he knew and he focused on it, while Devin_art pursuing another hobby or activity like climbing Kim Jung Gi is still making drawings! see the difference? he felt that he was born to do it, his mindset was set, his obsession with his craft is somewhat a talent tbh mindset,obssession,hands,visuals,angles,memory etc etc. some people are just special/talented like chess players grandmasters start playing when they are at young age but they dont reach the level of lets say magnus carlsen they can see alot for movements strategies inside their heads! XD tho Kim Jung Gi for me has a weakness with his art, sure it makes you wow or damn! he really can showcase his talent but capturing other emotions like happiness,magical,terror is not there :) artist like HR Ginger and that artist louish shes really good at coloring her drawings he had talent meshing those colors she had her own art book but for so many years she had been doing it she cant somewhat draw hands her drawing always have fatty hands with weird angles some of it are okay but most of her hand is so bad XD well everyone had their own strength and weaknesses :)
@greenespiro3548
@greenespiro3548 10 ай бұрын
Invigorating and makes me feel incredibly hopeful.
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
Anytime Greene! I hope you are able to give yourself time to rest. It's a Marathon not a sprint.
@garpbean627
@garpbean627 10 ай бұрын
he was great because he didn't waste time making videos solely focused on other artists...
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
Great criticism thank you.
@richardhall4318
@richardhall4318 8 ай бұрын
What you had to say in this video was right on time, just what I needed. Some years ago I was pursuing learning to play the drums. My goal was to try and become a session drummer. I studied with some of the best drum instructors Los Angeles. I gave myself a 5 year plan to get to a certain point (sight reading drum parts) it actually took more like 10 years to accomplish this. My sight reading skills got me good gigs. Now that I am retired from music and the 9-5 world I started sketching as a hobby. I need to approach my new hobby like I did when I practiced the drums. Thanks for turning on the light bulb.
@LaNoir.
@LaNoir. 2 ай бұрын
"Don't push yourself" KYG: "I locked myself up in my room for years until I was good"
@luvdomus
@luvdomus 9 ай бұрын
Drawing ability is not inborn but some people have a greater ability to learn than others, based on faster, more complex thinking ability and a personality with more determination and persistence.
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 9 ай бұрын
I suppose, but I feel very deeply that I learned how to learn far later in life- that to me disproves me being born with any such talent. I can look at specific things I did that brought me to that point, but it wasn't natural.
@luvdomus
@luvdomus 9 ай бұрын
@@Devin_Art I've been a professional artist (animation industry) for 40 years and done art teaching and some people just seem to have a "knack" right off the bat while some just never seem to develop an understanding no matter how you explain it to them, they seem to misinterpret whatever they are told and "obey rules" literally rather than grasp underlying principles-- even after 20 years of trying their work is dull and amateurish. I knew Kim Jung Gi personally and I would describe him as having an almost autistic facility and a mutant ability to draw individual figures but no way to organize a composition in his mind, he would start in one area and just let each rendered detail grow outward like spreading vines. 19th century art was all about virtuosity and in the 20th century art critics and elite museum curators reacted against that by promoting simpler, bolder, seemingly "primitive" works by Van Gogh, Picasso and later DeKooning, Pollack and the Abstract Expressionists while representational art with facile drawing and "talent" was relegated to "mere" illustration. I like it all, but some people-- most, in fact-- just create dull images and feel frustrated while some very young people display a certain unmistakeable flair early on, and if they also have common sense and inner calm they build a successful career. My own career has been a very rough road indeed.
@hasanabicompilationsfanchannel
@hasanabicompilationsfanchannel 10 ай бұрын
LETS GO! I LOVE YOUR WORK DEVIN
@tongthor5300
@tongthor5300 10 ай бұрын
I subscribed because you asked me to. :D I mostly agree with your POV. Where talent comes in, is how quickly one understands the concepts and applies it to their art. Many people will study for years, draw for hours but take a while to get their a-ha moment. For talented people, it's just comes faster.
@adrianete1367
@adrianete1367 10 ай бұрын
Holy sh*t. Perfect timing during uncertain times. I both draw and climb. But lack to choose one to pursuit. These 2 practices perfectly complement each other; leaving one would mean disorder. I am confused on which to choose. In terms of your psychology, I couldn’t agree more. Many people confuse skill with talent, they think it is some sort of magical potion; and it is true, because it doesn’t exist, only hard and smart work does. Btw, best comment section I’ve seen.
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
There are some wonderful comments and some absolutely insane ones as well, I wouldn't have it any other way. And I agree, I think climbing and drawing are very complementary. There really isn't anything else like getting that perfect send or finally rendering that light source the right way lol. Cheers
@fndTenorio
@fndTenorio 10 ай бұрын
If you have trouble sleeping just watch this video.
@azfarali2623
@azfarali2623 10 ай бұрын
There is natural aptitude or innate skill or 'talent' people possess that makes them a cut above the rest in any given field. Not everyone starts from the same starting line. Success depends upon the hard work you put in to develop and evolve that skill. Talent can only take you so far, hardwork takes you the rest of the way.
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
Yep, and my argument is that it doesn't require "talent" to reach insane heights like KJG. It requires unrelenting obsession and tenacity, which many don't put in. Is that talent? I wouldn't say so.
@jackfelldown1
@jackfelldown1 8 ай бұрын
I remember giving up so many things because I thought I had no talent. It's only lately that I've realized that although talent might exist, it's not what makes you capable. Time, effort(proper effort, as you can still do the wrong thing for years and not get any better) and dedication, these can take you to the endpoint of what you want to achieve as easily as talent. In fact, more often than not, talent is just an excuse for people who are too lazy to even try. like me.
@noahfletcher3019
@noahfletcher3019 10 ай бұрын
This is true. I have been working on getting to his level and I have been making progress. Still 30 years to go
@dankmersi4282
@dankmersi4282 9 ай бұрын
This affirms a quote a heard recently, genius is 1 percent talent and 99 percent hard work. You showing us piece by piece how true this is just is incredible, You earned my sub! Hope to see you at 1k soon :D
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 8 ай бұрын
Wow thank you so much, looks like we hit that goal! I appreciate the support a lot!
@dankmersi4282
@dankmersi4282 8 ай бұрын
@@Devin_Art Absolutely :D AND CONGRATS! :D On the road to 10k!!! :D
@OnyXerxes
@OnyXerxes 10 ай бұрын
What pen were you drawing with at 21:25? I'm looking for a portable replacement for the microns. Also great video, I linked it to some of my friends who I know are struggling with this pointless mindset of "art gods" and "talent".
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
Thank you so much! It's a faber Castell "Ambition" fountain pen with a fine steel nib. It is something I upgraded to after spending years with other fountain pens; specifically from Lamy. Lamy goes for 40 bucks or so, the Ambition is much higher build quality and I think was around 150, it should last a lifetime (aside from replacing nibs) though.
@BrushPact
@BrushPact 10 ай бұрын
we love to see it 🙌🙌
@SultanOfAwesomeness
@SultanOfAwesomeness 10 ай бұрын
I miss him, man. Thanks for the video. My battle with the concept of “talent” is that it’s worked the opposite way for me as you described, but has been perhaps equally as harmful. Because I used to view myself as having some kind of innate ‘talent’ with art- that I thought I was somehow “just good” at it- I didn’t practice or actually draw or study for years and years. Then I’d wonder why I’d get frustrated when I couldn’t produce the images I conjured in my mind’s eye, leaning to intense burnout and devaluations of myself. A lot of the battle really is just sitting down and getting your metaphorical hands dirty. Nobody is just born being good at something.
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
I miss him more than words can describe, I know. Its not fair, he deserved better. You are most welcome, I feel that I had a similar mindset before I began being honest and objective with my skills. When I thought I was hot shit and didn't need to study, I didn't get better- I assumed it would happen naturally and well, you know. I mention in the video how well that goes. I truly believe the veil was lifted from my eyes when I started to get better at drawing because I began to understand that I wasn't special or "talented" but also that no one is (in relation to drawing), they just put in the extremely hard and daunting work. Its tough to come to the realization that you're at square one and need to draw the right things and study hard for 4-5 years before you like what it looks like. That was challenging. I agree, I think the hardest part is just sitting there and doing the damn thing, no matter how bad it turns out. When I decided to get better at drawing at like 23 or so, I basically threw myself into it 110%. I did NOTHING but draw and work part time while living at home, a luxury not many have. I was probably drawing 12 hours a day, 7 days a week for like 2.5 years and then I was able to get my first job in the industry. Its a marathon, not a sprint. I truly believe there is no limit, who knows where you or I could be in 25 years of the same dedication. If that is what you want, take it. Cheers.
@haermm
@haermm 10 ай бұрын
I wonder what meaning it would have to discuss whether someone is talented or not when he has not even reached the level achieved by Kim Jung gi. Talent definitely exists. When someone achieves a level in 2, 3 years that others would need 10 years to achieve, we call it talent. Kim Jung gi reached the level of master at a young age. If you, who are reading this right now, have never drawn in earnest, but assume that you only eat and draw for 40 years from now on, do you believe that you can reach the same level as Kim Jung gi? Of course, it may be possible, but if you look at the probability, wouldn't it be possible only if there is a senior illustrator whose skills are similar to or surpass Kim Jung gi's? It would have been understandable if Kim Jung gi had said that the presence or absence of talent was not important, but he never said such a thing during his lifetime. He only said that it was natural to draw a lot. It seems like anyone can become a master just by talking about it, but we need to look at it calmly to see if it's true advice or just wishful thinking. Daniel Levitin once said that it takes 10,000 hours to become a master. However, people mistakenly believe that anyone can become a master just by following the 10,000-hour rule, but that is not true. Even if it is possible to a certain level, there is an absolute talent that determines whether one can become a master or not. And we must acknowledge that denying that premise will not change reality. Each person has his or her own talents. Some are gifted in athletic ability, while others are born with artistic sense. That's why there is something called an aptitude test. If aptitude tests are a meaningless theory, it should be possible to become a professional soccer player or win a piano competition even if you first start playing soccer or playing the piano after the age of 20. But we know that's impossible. Of course, I think anyone can feel frustrated and helpless after looking at Kim Jung gi's drawngs. This is especially true if you are in the same industry. As someone who drawings, I can understand to some extent the feelings of people who are jealous of him. Kim Jung gi is a person who gives both inspiration and frustration. The definition of art varies depending on perspective. If you continue to strive to achieve the same level of skill as Kim Jung gi, there is a possibility that your skills will be quite high, even if not at that level. However, not everyone needs to be a master technician, and drawing your own drawings may be an option. If everyone invested as much time into drawing as Kim Jung gi, would it be possible to reach that level? The answer can only be defined by those who have reached that level.
@jabulaniharvey
@jabulaniharvey 10 ай бұрын
well said
@DennisCNolasco
@DennisCNolasco 10 ай бұрын
KJG was definitely a once in a lifetime (maybe even several lifetimes) artist. Who knows when another person could reach that level.
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
I’m not entirely sure what your responding to because I distinctly defined that you can’t talk about a skill and be a master at it. Your point about KJG being as good as he was very young is wrong. He didn’t get his first professional gig until he was 27, that would be over 2 decades of skilled study. I never made claim to be a master, far from it. However, I’m not going to sit here and make excuses for my skills based on the premise that I can’t achieve what he can. Again, I addressed this in the video. What an absolute waste of time it would be to think I’m going to fail before achieving something. The frustration I have is with your comment, which once again puts KJG on this pedestal of unachievable talent which I don’t ascribe too. Perhaps that’s where we part ways. I know you may feel like you are trying to be realistic but it comes across as condescending. The assumption that I or others are frustrated because I can’t draw like KJG is also a misunderstanding of my point. I personally think I’m being quite realistic in my objective understanding of my skills and the work I’ve put in, I think of it this way; I’ve worked 1/8th the amount KJG has at the discipline he did, and I’m playing catch-up now. Not that he’s the be all end all but I know that realistically in 30 years or so I’ll be much better and in a much different place artistically. My frustration is with those who comment and try to be the “realistic voice of reason” while mostly what they bring is negativity thinly veiled as constructive critique. You can draw better than KJG, it just takes discipline. Create that environment for yourself instead of making excuses. Cheers.
@jabulaniharvey
@jabulaniharvey 10 ай бұрын
​@@Devin_Art Kim Jung Gi had profound abilities....academic discussion cannot do him true justice...it only serves the critic
@haermm
@haermm 10 ай бұрын
I didn't say it was impossible for you to be like KJG. I was just stating objective facts from my perspective. I don't mean to disparage your idealism. And I've seen some of your drawings, and I don't know where you get your money, but with those skills, it would be difficult to get a job at a company that hires illustrators. I would like to say that your statement that KJG may not have had the skills before that just because he started attracting attention in his late 20s is nothing more than optimism to reassure yourself. Opportunities do not always come just because you have skills. Even if you are prepared, opportunity comes by chance. When KJG was young, he was not famous because the Internet was not active, but as time went by and he uploaded live drawing performances to KZfaq, he became world famous. By the time he was a teenager, he was already mastering objects such as bicycles, cars, and ships, and in elementary school he would apply perspective perspective to his drawings without being taught. And I wasn't going to go into this, but when I look at your drawings, it doesn't look like you're drawing anything in particular other than faces and the human body. If I were to infer from that, it would seem that you haven't even mastered the ability to properly draw the human body, is that correct? However, it is just absurd that you are evaluating someone by talking as if they are the masters of achieving great enlightenment. Just as there are differences in innate physical abilities among people, there are clear differences in abilities in drawing. When I was an instructor at an art academy, I saw many children who started learning basics at a similar time but learned the skills faster than others. Think about when you were in kindergarten. There will always be children who have better art skills than their peers. Some people have naturally excellent brains, so they can study efficiently even if they study less than others, and the same principle applies. When you were young, you may have been better at drawing than your neighbors or classmates, but there are many people around the same age in the world who are much better and more talented than you. I don't know if you want to say that the reason you didn't succeed is because you didn't try, but don't waste your time judging someone based on your shallow insight and perspective. I hope you go out into the wide world and have many experiences. Although KJG was born with talent, he drew more pictures than others. This means that the time you spend and the time KJG spends are not the same. Even if it is the same amount of time. I support your dreams, but when evaluating someone, I hope it is after you have built your skills and experience. I don't expect you to become like KJG, but if you do reach a level like his one day, please let me know. Peace
@lavecosmic
@lavecosmic 10 ай бұрын
I started to realize that it takes practice and patience social media has made some new to beginning artists but their faith in so called talent or fame the likes etc but forgot that its practice everyday every month and every year that makes you better helps you improve
@jeandukate1799
@jeandukate1799 10 ай бұрын
Nice video. But I strongly disagree with this notion. The definition of Talent is not one thing its 2 things. It combines a persons nature with time applied to a skill. Each person is born with different natures. Kim Jung Gi clearly stated within the video he didn't have a "nature" towards academics. So his nature lead him to drawing. People have different natural IQ levels, different left and right brain thinking patterns. etc. No matter what your natural talent is towards, time based practice will make you better at your talent. Assuming natural talent does not exist, is like assuming unique DNA does not exist. Its a flawed belief.
@tomhaswell6283
@tomhaswell6283 10 ай бұрын
I think the point is that natural talent exists, but is far less important than persistance and passion. You don't need to be talented to become an art god (although it obviously helps).
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
Nope, IQ is largely deemed irrelevant to many types of intelligence and people can improve their IQ score with repetition, it is not a law. I quite literally say Talent is interest which you equate with "Nature". That is an argument that spins its wheels. There is no evidence of natural art skill or ability. You are more than welcome to disagree but I provided evidence and anecdotes based on every single artist I know. Left and Right brain thinking is also a completely dated understanding of neuroplasticity. And your last point regarding DNA is also irrelevant as we are 99.9% genetically the same. KJG was not talented in that he wasn't born with his skill. His interests which are a combination of nature and nurture (again, impossible to quantify which came first or has more relevance) were the things that lead him to draw obsessively the way he did. You said it yourself, he sacrificed his other aspects of his life to focus on art. Just because not many people do that, doesn't mean its a talent. Rarity does not mean natural. Its a large combination of factors. Talent is so miniscule that I disagree that the concept even exists and posit the alternative "interest". No one picks up a pencil and draws well from the get go.
@jeandukate1799
@jeandukate1799 10 ай бұрын
@@Devin_Art "There is no evidence of natural art skill or ability. " - Oh really? I added a new post. Might want to give it a read. Its about the NATURE of the brain you obviously didn't know about. "No one picks up a pencil and draws well from the get go." - True, but those who have this nature to their brain have a clear advantage over others.
@98ore
@98ore 10 ай бұрын
@@Devin_Art ive seen first hand a classmate/friend who picked up a pencil and was good from the get go, it stuck with me because i was the one interested in art not him.
@TheChoosenOne1698
@TheChoosenOne1698 11 күн бұрын
I agree with you. Im not sure how much your genes actually play into your skills. But i know for sure that everyone i admire who is better than me at something has put more deliberate work into his skills.
@jasons.8125
@jasons.8125 10 ай бұрын
Clickbait-y-ness aside 🙃- I like your analysis. I would, however offer a bit of nuance; and (hopefully) further understanding. I believe that what might casually be described as "talent" has more to do with one's potential to INTUITIVELY understand any process which requires the application of human mechanical energy - and skillfully (underlined 🙂) apply said understanding - and to do so at the very pinnacle -- the Jung Gis and Michael Jordans of the world -- requires the ability to readily access flowstate. There is a mental component to all of this which we do not currently understand. With respect to Jung Gi, specifically: his drawings demonstrate a seemingly complete and intuitive understanding of space - both pos. and neg. - and geometry. I don't believe everyone has the same potential to intuitively process spatial orientation. I believe with practice, EVERYONE can improve over time - but I don't believe everyone's ceiling is the same for every undertaking. Stephen Wiltshire is a great example. The connections in his brain are just DIFFERENT! Anyway! Just my 2 cents - and again, great analysis. I'm now a subscriber. Peace!
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment! I appreciate your insight.
@DennisCNolasco
@DennisCNolasco 10 ай бұрын
Not everyone can be an NBA forward or the UFC Heavyweight champion, no matter how much you practice. That doesn't mean you can be very good for your build, you just won't be elite level. You have to play to your own strengths. Not everyone will be able to do what KJG did. If drawing without construction or reference is not your thing, don't sweat it. Even KJG himself said you don't have to draw like he does, it's just a quirk of his drawing style. Play to your own strengths.
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
There are genetic advantages certain athletes have which is true. Genetic predispositions are not talent in my opinion. Not everyone could be Michael Phelps, obviously but even he couldn’t have been without the massive amount of training, perfect diet, world class coaching and obsession that he had. Drawing is far more meritocratic than sports. But that wasn’t my argument, I am targeting the misconceptions related to extremely high level artists. Their rarity does not imply talent, it implies they worked harder than others. I work harder than most people at drawing which is why I am where I am, but I’m not special. I just did the work. KJG was not special, he just did the work, more than most.
@Ubreakable-lr2dk
@Ubreakable-lr2dk 10 ай бұрын
@@Devin_Art Nicola Tesla could visualize machines infront of his eyes there are people with photographic memories no matter how much u train u wont archieve this
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 2 ай бұрын
citation needed, lmao.
@z-qh8fj
@z-qh8fj 5 ай бұрын
Drawing and painting has been in my family for years...Your reference drawings look like my doodles
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 4 ай бұрын
Thats great, keep up the effective studying methods! You should send me your portfolio, I'm sure the studio I'm a Lead at would really like to have you on. Maybe you could be my boss and teach me something, I'm always willing to learn.
@Daniel-x4z
@Daniel-x4z 9 күн бұрын
Love this as a learner. As a sculptor I seen the some people are so beyond talented. We as lessers we say master.without shame at all respect for even getting to see a rodan. Study it and stand on the backs of giants. But art has its mike Jordans and anjelos.both are masters and well trained.your point is real.most of the most talented artists I've known died from drug use
@daftcruz
@daftcruz 10 ай бұрын
But he was talented. He had an natural aptitude observe the world in another way since his childhood. The way he thought about drawing was too much advanced for an ordinary child. There's interviews and livestreams where he talks about that. The kids from his school did not think about depth perception, observing things in "3D" like he was. Yet, his talent would not mean anything if he didn't work through it passionately and with dilligence. This is what matters the most.
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
Just watch the video again if you want my argument. Not sure why you're bringing stuff up that I've addressed already.
@daftcruz
@daftcruz 10 ай бұрын
@@Devin_Art But then It's a clickbait title. I don't like when people do this. Besides, there are some things which I don't agree. You said that Kim Jung Gi was better than other kids because he chose to (at 7:16). I don't think that is correct. A lot of kids actually tried to think in a particular way, even studied lot, but they were probably far and far way from Kim Jung Gi. Sure thing that, had he not continued his studies, he would never got the skills he got later in life. Still, there's no other artist that draws like him. Katsuya Terada is similar in some ways, because he also draws without underdrawing, and I would argue that he is even better at some things. But I think that his natural aptitude/talent is from a different field. Another point where I don't particularly agree is about positive thinking. I don't think it's necessarily solution oriented. I think it makes you run from the problem instead of trying to figure out a way to solve it. And while negative thoughts can be bad for an artist if you're dominated by then, you can actually put those thoughts into the canvas. If I recall it correctly, many of the best panels that Kentaro Miura did, for example, were done when he was ill of having a lot of negative thoughts. So I do think that you can actually use that to your advantage, let your emotions burn into the canvas, instead of just thinking postively.
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 2 ай бұрын
You not knowing about others who are or were as capable as him doesn't mean they don't exist. You know that right? Of course you don't, because you made an insane assumption. He's not a magical being, ffs. I'm not explaining this again. Do you suck at drawing? want to make it my problem? Don't care. I'm over the excuses, I've heard them all. You're wrong, emphatically. Just work harder, stop complaining.
@daftcruz
@daftcruz 2 ай бұрын
@@Devin_Art You misunderstood me. What I said is that Kim Jung Gi had some natural aptitude for some things. He had was a kid with good visual memory. He himself said that in a interview. And I think that's true. However, I'm not saying that he didn't work very hard to get at that level. Hell, it's the complete opposite. He is one of the most hard working artists I've ever seen, going as far as drawing even in a toilet paper. From what I recall he trained 12hr a day back then, and even when he was at the army, he continued drawing mentally (this is also something that he said in a video). Anyway, other artists may not have the same kind of aptitude for visual memory. But they may have for other fields. Such as for noticing a greater range of colors which may help when doing a painting , or for having a delicate hand that could (or not) do a more controled linework. This, of course, NEED to be trained to reach your potential. Otherwise you'll be underdeveloped and your drawings or paintings will not reach a good technical level. But we all have different characteristics that makes us unique. We all have natural aptitudes. Work on those aptitudes and also work on things that you're initially not that promising, and you'll reach the sky. So... I don't really what your point really is. You've seen my drawings to tell if I'm a bad artist or not. And that's not true, I draw a lot and I don't make excuses (what the hell?). You're using ad hominem to counter argument me. Please don't do this again. I never disrespected you in this conversation. And... Despite our disagreement in this matter (or perhaps not so much?), wish you a good night and good drawings. You're also someone who have natural aptitude for some things and I'm sure (no sarcasm) that you actually do hard work to improve. So, again, have a good night and keep up the good work.
@jtisbucketingtheboat
@jtisbucketingtheboat 10 ай бұрын
Another great example of this is Steve Huston. Steve wasn't the strongest student in his class and he put in an obscene amount of work to become one of the best draftsmen alive.
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
YES, I love Steve Houston- a very interesting and fantastic draftsman.
@opart
@opart 9 ай бұрын
Nice commentary, I agree. Kim Jung Gi's achievements are undeniable, and comes from nonstop practice, and from striving to understand how things work (literally). As a result he produced pretty technical work with incredible process - because the process is what captivated so many people, especially those who do not draw. However I would not deny that there are also very rare case of a talented genius, although that usually does not imply technical ability.
@RicardoDirani
@RicardoDirani 10 ай бұрын
The age old discusson. My father was a drawer, and two of my best friends, Beto and Nalon. I tried drawing a lot in my childhood, and by age 16 I was about to quit it. My father believed it was part talent part skill. Beto believed it was essentially talent. Nalon, that it was skill. Of the three, Beto was clearly the most skilled. He was drawing better at age 16 than Nalon is at age 50, after a whole life of practice. And I still didn't find a refutation for his argument: it's in how smooth and steady a person can naturally trace a line. My lines were all crooked at age 16, and still are at age 50. No matter how much I've practice handwriting and tried to smooth it, it's crooked. A bit less crooked, but still crooked. Beto would show me how his lines came easy, smooth, steady. He would say that was the basic talent of a drawer. You can build on it, naturally, but you either got it, or you don't.
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
If you want to improve your line quality you should take a look at Proko, he does a fantastic job at explaining atelier style mark making that translates to all sorts of quality of life improvements. I know it feels like "you got it or you don't" but I promise you it's more "you have the stubbornness or you don't". I think I'm a great case study for this because, like you described I had little improvement from like 6-21 and then when I started focusing on my weaknesses and deliberately being self reflective I started to improve. The rate at which you improve is varied, to a degree but I truly believe that I'm not doing anything special, no secret recipe that others in my friend group or whatever aren't capable of. I have extremely lofty goals and an obsession to push those, if you don't have that- you likely won't gain those skills. Many people don't really understand just how hard "hard work" (especially in drawing) is, even KGJ in the clip mentions the same- "I drew way more than people think I did" and for the record I believe him, I also believe that he drew more than me, more consistently and studied the right things. I am working towards that tenacity. I believe that its possible for many people to aim higher than they think themselves capable of. Cheers.
@RicardoDirani
@RicardoDirani 10 ай бұрын
@@Devin_Art I'll definitely take a look at that! Now that you said it, I feel I never properly worked systematically on my line quality. I did a lot of work to improve my handwriting, I focused on Loyd Reynolds classes because he made it look so good and smooth kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rJhil8iot5rNqps.html
@KelaBeats
@KelaBeats Ай бұрын
I think anyone who has put in thousands of hours of work into something, hates the word "talent".
@strugsi
@strugsi 16 күн бұрын
jup
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 14 күн бұрын
Agreed, its often seen as dismissive even though I know thats not the case.
@KinglyOle
@KinglyOle 10 ай бұрын
Agree on the hard work being mistaken as talent. I think atleast its taking away from the dedication Gi has put into his career. On another note, Id recommend scripting your videos. Other than that, good job man.
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
Oh I do script them, I'm just new and kinda bad at all this youtube stuff. Surely I will refine the process in time hahah. Here's hoping. Thanks for the kind words.
@KinglyOle
@KinglyOle 10 ай бұрын
@@Devin_Art It comes with time, as does everything else. Unfortunate to get dislike bombed though. Cheers.
@VahnAeris
@VahnAeris 10 ай бұрын
when people ask me what is my passion, I m now saying : the same that Da vinci had.
@rickyhawkinsart
@rickyhawkinsart 9 ай бұрын
I totally agree with you in not believing in talent, I've alway said that good art takes skill
@Red.Rabbit.Resistance
@Red.Rabbit.Resistance 4 ай бұрын
I agree. He was a master. You dont become a master with talent, you get there with skill development, that you master. Talent is some what of a natural gift. Not everyone has it. Some people with talents dont even enjoy the things they are good at.
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 4 ай бұрын
As I said, talent is interest. Pursue your interests and they turn into "talents"
@Paopao621
@Paopao621 5 ай бұрын
Mr Kim Jung Gi would be immortalised as one of the greatest artists in history, future artists would study about him and his works
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 4 ай бұрын
He has and will continue to be, yes.
@sebastienjanssens9825
@sebastienjanssens9825 10 ай бұрын
While I agree that talent is not akin to supernatural and inexplicable abilities, I do think that people have different attitudes towards the process of learning, some ability to keep rational and constantly benefit from hindsight in their learning process that makes them learn more efficiently. I also think that being able to show patience in general and towards yourself is something that some people have more than others. What gives them that sort of advantage is certainly due to how they were brought up, but some are definitely luckier than others in that regard.
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
You said it yourself, its luck. But luck can happen to anyone. My mindset before my drawings improved (and quickly at that) was terrible and filled with jealous envy. In addition to that, I didn't know HOW to learn. As I mention in the video, attitude and learning how to learn are detrimental to unlocking your potential skill level. BUT its only a small aspect, the rest is decades of correct and deliberate studying. Cheers.
@xxwallzxx4509
@xxwallzxx4509 10 ай бұрын
For me. I am considered the forever noob. I am entering a lot of stuff. In which I am not too good at right now. But still will go for it until I get there. I aim for an anime. So drawing practice is my way to go. I am a strong gamer. If I am not that strong in something in gaming. I can just sit there and practice and will eventually get there.
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
Deliberate practice, time and effort. There is no magic, you got this!
@rhythmrainbow
@rhythmrainbow 10 ай бұрын
Imagine if Ai was deemed talented. Subject for another day.
@luvkayakn
@luvkayakn 9 ай бұрын
From what I’ve seen in playing with AI it’s not that smart, and the human programming is very apparent. It’s capable of copying existing mediums, but far from independent intelligence. Also the only voices publicly talking about the future of AI are politicians and tech executives, not the actual programmers. At this point I have a healthy skepticism that AI is truly self learning organically.
@universalcrazy4889
@universalcrazy4889 10 ай бұрын
thanks man i needed this for some reason.
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
Glad I could help
@Ubreakable-lr2dk
@Ubreakable-lr2dk 10 ай бұрын
well kim was the equivalent of nicola tesla there is talent or in other words IQ that enhances ur talent by miles nearly noone can visualize like tesla did. there is no shame in that there are still phenomenal people like him out there but skill and hard work is capped talent puts that beyond
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
thanks for the comment.
@sezart19
@sezart19 6 ай бұрын
People that hate on this video do not understand the message at all. Talent is a term that has been used to talk down people that have a possible passion in progress, doesn't matter if it's drawing or other forms of art like music or writing. Kim Jung Gi's talent was his passion, the joy, the happiness he felt while drawing, you can look at countless interviews and he will probably draw while doing them. He was a kind and incredible artist, one can say his observation (the way he viewed the world) was a talent but I and many others strongly belief that it was the curiosity and experience that let him achieve that skill. Does that mean you will be as good as Kim Jung GI by just "trying harder"? The answer is I don't know, you might be you might not but you also could achieve skills that even he did not have. You are also not supposed to be him, you are your own individual and should do what you love. Art even "just" visual arts like drawing or painting has such a big range, even if it is just 2D (from artstyle to medium like painting, sketching, caricatures, storyboarding, illustration, graphic design and so on). Saying Kim Jung Gi was just talented is negating all the passion, time and work he put into his art. There are many tutorials on how to learn the fundamentals but I think the most important part is to love what you do and expressing yourself, isn't that what makes us artists?
@jabulaniharvey
@jabulaniharvey 10 ай бұрын
Kim Jung Gi was profound.....for a man who could virtually livestream his imagination in drawn form, "talented" is an utterly useless appelation
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
it's useless because it's irrelevant or so miniscule that it may as well be. Writing him off as an anomaly disregards everything he himself says and the amount of work he put in. Not saying this is you, but I find that a lot of people who gloss over that very important 25 year block of drawing he did before he popped off in 2007 are insecure about their own skills so the only way to rationalize it is talent- because talent implies that of course he's better than me- he's talented, phew! Eh, I've seen too many people go from zero to master and some being very close to his level for me to ascribe to that. Cheers.
@joshuajung972
@joshuajung972 10 ай бұрын
Really good points u made there. Nice video!
@TedShatner10
@TedShatner10 9 ай бұрын
It's so sad that Kim Jung Gi died very suddenly, rather young, and still in his creative prime.
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 8 ай бұрын
Extremely young, absolutely devastating for his family. I can't even imagine. A powerhouse that will be forever remembered.
@steveis33
@steveis33 10 ай бұрын
Isn’t this an obvious thing in the art world? U build a library of references in your head and draw and draw But also it’s finding your technique your happy with.🤷🏻‍♂️🤔
@TheGoodContent37
@TheGoodContent37 10 ай бұрын
Nah dude, im talented, i got born talented, i have showed it way too many times through my life. The problem is that such talent means nothing against poverty and lack of health. Also childhood traumas that create insecurities. My girlfriend got born without talent BUT she is consistent. She doesnt understand things i understand and she marvels with what i can do and what I can understand but i have achieved almost nothing and she has slowly but surely achieved bigger and bigger things. With her lack of intelligence, her lack of knowledge, her lack of talent, but with her patience, her perseverance, her faith and hope., things i dont have. I have sparks of brilliance, like a photography flash, she has a light with a dimmer that gets brighter and brighter.
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
uhhhh.
@samankucher5117
@samankucher5117 10 ай бұрын
great advice :) thank you.
@al-mosheytidal1296
@al-mosheytidal1296 9 ай бұрын
Excellent insight! Did your climbing had an effect on your drawing strokes?
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 8 ай бұрын
Thank you! Not directly but I used to get repetitive stress injuries a lot and since training and climbing more, my hands and wrist get less pain!
@fergadelics
@fergadelics 10 ай бұрын
I say curiosity and stubbornness. But, yeah. Gifts are things that can be given, skill is earned. One of these is possible. One is not. Etc…
@krismcguffin7940
@krismcguffin7940 8 ай бұрын
Could not agree more. Started learning guitar at age 40
@Adam-go6qv
@Adam-go6qv 10 ай бұрын
Small steps at a time, focus on areas you need to improve at everyday and work towards them one by one. Draw a thousand hands and by the end, drawing hands will be as easy as breathing. That's what Kim Jung Gi did; he drew so much, until it was so natural to him. Keep grinding and eventually your efforts will pay off :)
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
1000%, I have a study method that I use that makes you improve drawing and your visual library in a single session. That's an important factor to improving- getting that dopamine reward loop. Maybe an idea for a future video.
@Nsquare_01
@Nsquare_01 7 ай бұрын
​@@Devin_ArtI'll look forward to that! 😄
@GoldGregory
@GoldGregory 10 ай бұрын
hasL Love you Devin. You ARE talented and handsome carL
@Paopao621
@Paopao621 5 ай бұрын
I think that calling a good artist "telented" is almaost an insult, it feels like theyre disregarding the years of literal emotional torture it took to be good enough.
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 4 ай бұрын
discipline, it takes discipline. Not torture.
@mojojay2012
@mojojay2012 10 ай бұрын
There was something different about him though, like just watching him sketch on a board, he like, starts from a place most of the modern popular artists don't and then he reaches midway and you're like oh! Personally, I believe he was both talented and put in the work (a rare one), more so than most do in years. That mental library he spoke of, many of us can frequently visit a zoo, look at lions, sit and observe, go home and look at pics and yet no matter how hard we try we can't draw it from memory, still have to look at reference. I know it brings peace to those who consider themselves without talent to think that it's unfair to have guys n gals out there who have it and work on it. Like Dash said "If everyone is special..." and Ra "training is nothing, will is everything", if you catch my drift. That old joke "that painting that took you a week? that Asian kid did it better in 6 hrs" Anyone can become the artist they want to be, for some it will be harder than others, that's life. Most give up at the wall and very few repeatedly smack that(Akon) wall till it cracks, then it breaks and nothing else can hold you back. We see it all the time now thanks to social media, 'algorithms' that "prefer" certain styles, certain artists etc. Popular circles that some can never be a part of due to personal beliefs, styles or just plain late entry etc. To those of you just starting off or feel like you're not growing no matter how much you progress skill wise, number of followers ain't equal to skill level... If you are a creator, you need to create more and consume less for your own mental health, scroll less, sketch more and choose your path: Easy = Clout chase, draw popular stuff all the time such as Genshin characters or fair skinned women with big eyes and the anatomy of teenage girls or whatever the flavor of the week is. Negative points to mental health Hard = What you like, be it dragons, monsters, landscapes, short green elf waifus etc, will take longer to find you niche. Positive points to mental health
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
I agree to a degree. But to your first point about visual libraries- I should probably make a follow up video but that is something that is definitely able to be trained, you need to do more than just observe and draw from reference to add something to your visual library. There are study methods that are tried and true. Thanks for your comment.
@JH-pe3ro
@JH-pe3ro 10 ай бұрын
I think the thing to keep in mind about Kim Jung Ji is that he trained to become Kim Jung Ji, specifically, and not some other kind of artist. He didn't experience the "pain threshold" that tends to come with doing the particular kind of study he did, which could be called talent in one sense, and problematic in the other(the obsessive tendency may have been a factor in dying relatively young, and for as much as he did know, examining his work as a whole can come off feeling like "this man has only one trick"). The deeper you go into doing art, the more it becomes clear how much you can specialize in something. I'll reply to people who ask for advice on Reddit, and a lot of the other replies in the thread will be other young and inexperienced beginners who cargo cult their advice, parroting whichever influencer artist they watched. But the influencer artist isn't really the teacher most beginners need - the actual stuff is right there in books like Keys to Drawing, they just need to be prodded into doing the exercises in it, and maybe given a bit of direction to retarget them to the subjects they want to draw, instead of the dry "draw your feet, now draw a coffee cup" type of material the book offers as suggestions. This is what a lot of beginners don't want to hear, though. They want a secret trick or "meta strat", not gym exercises. And that's where they start thinking of Ji in deified terms, because the kind of "gym effort" he put in is unfathomable. After all, most people don't want to literally draw like him, they want a combination of, like, 5% Ji and 95% distributed across a hundred other artists.
@mojojay2012
@mojojay2012 10 ай бұрын
I really believe he is both talented and put in the work, maybe too much if, big if, that is what led to his early passing. Honestly the best art teachers on social media aren't the ones who are popular or follow trends, but the "babies" are easily misled by numbers so that's not changing soon. I've said it before the reality of life is that there would always be someone who not only studies as much as you do but also has that natural talent/ability for said subject. Examining any Artist's work can make them look like a one trick pony, dig deeper into their process and really observe what is in front of you and you may notice more than you did at first glance. Would you say Sam, Loish, Robaato, kse, bobby, Marco, Cube and Lotus are all one trick ponies? Sadly, social media for as much good as it did to art has also done a "relatively small amount" of bad as well, this quick fix, short attention span format may take away from a piece or an artist.@@JH-pe3ro
@4PXLZ
@4PXLZ 10 ай бұрын
its very annoying seeing people calling you " talented"...
@Leikjarinn
@Leikjarinn 10 ай бұрын
my goal is to draw like Peter Han in 10 years
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
I think thats a very achievable goal. Keep drawing with ink in your sketchbook and dedicate a lot of time to your anatomy and perspective fundamentals and you'll get there!
@Leikjarinn
@Leikjarinn 10 ай бұрын
SIR YES SIR! @@Devin_Art
@RDD87z
@RDD87z 10 ай бұрын
i wish i could see the progress of his drawings. from kid till his last day
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
me as well, I'm sure they exist. Maybe one day.
@bernardovezdelagarza1016
@bernardovezdelagarza1016 10 ай бұрын
Thought of the video as an offense to the great late Kim because of the title, but I came out of the video so inspired, thank you. I loved your presentation as well as the content, I inmediately suscribed, looking forward for more content!
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for actually watching the video as yes, I describe my thesis within the first 2 minutes lol. Cheers, more on the way for sure!
@darioscomicschool1111
@darioscomicschool1111 10 ай бұрын
7:50 Kudos to that Dedication. I know that Obsession!
@foggyvhs8790
@foggyvhs8790 10 ай бұрын
At 34 I'm too tired to keep up with this argument. Most people just think its an inherent talent and won't acknowledge my efforts lol
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
Absolutely, I'm disheartened when people tear down others by dismissing their efforts as natural ability. I'm absolutely gutted, however- when other artists (like some in the comments here) repeat the same nonsense that talent is a mystical trait that only a certain few possess. I feel many are using it to cope with their own insecurities with their skills. I used to wallow and live in denial as I mentioned in the video. I started to excel and get very good when I put in the right effort. I do not subscribe to KJG being a superhuman, he drew more than most people on earth, artists included- myself included. I am working up to that dedication and I see a roadmap where that skill level is possible. Cheers.
@PinupSticknerd
@PinupSticknerd 9 ай бұрын
This sounds real magic. Get blazed, fill a 'visual library', then use that library.😢😮😅😊
@STFUppercut69
@STFUppercut69 10 ай бұрын
This is one of those "let me hit you with a little bit of a hot take where I feel like I'm super smart since I've come up with some mind-shattering new conclusions". Kim Jung Gi was insanely talented. Take 100 artists who put in the same amount of time and effort he put into his craft and you'll still only get a handful of people able to do it as effortlessly and as quickly as he was able to do it. Talent is absolutely a factor in art. Talent allows you to learn certain stuff quicker and execute it better than others. Yeah, sure, hard work beats talent if talent doesn't work hard - but if talent does work hard, hard work alone won't get you on the exact same level of Kim Jung Gi if you don't have that something special. Not everyone can be a Tom Brady. Not everyone can be a Michael Jordan.
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
Notice how both of your other examples are athletes? I'm not presenting anything controversial. Not a single professional artist in my vicinity has claimed KJG was talented. If you are a working professional in the field, the concept is nothing more than cope for those who just don't actually work hard. Trust me, I was one of them- The harder you work at the correct things, the more you realize talent is a lie that more often than not makes perfectly capable people write themselves off before they've even begun. You can only prove things you can observe and measure. KGJ worked for decades in the most efficient and correct way he possibly could. That is a fact, the only evidence that people claim proves he has "talent" is how good he is. Which is funny because essentially everyone loves to ignore the 30 years of drawing and studying he did before anyone knew who he was. Talent is interest and to be a master at something you need to turn that interest into an obsession. Using athletes who have access to the absolute highest level of training, supplements, diet, steroids, muscle length, twitch fiber content, lung size, lactaid build up recovery in comparison to drawing is not the argument you think it is. Being taller or having longer arms or stronger shoulders doesn't give you any sort of advantage with drawing, it's just not comparable.
@STFUppercut69
@STFUppercut69 10 ай бұрын
@@Devin_Art You dislike athletes as examples? Okay, I can provide more. I can provide myself. I'm incredibly talented when it comes to learning languages. I'm fluent in three languages. When I was learning a fourth one during school I was progressing way faster than anyone around me, despite not putting more time into it than the other kids. How about acting? Wouldn't you agree that Christian Bale is the best actor in pretty much any room he is in? That's talent. As a kid he already out-acted adult actors around him. How about art? How many artists can really do what Kim did and draw entire worlds in pitch-perfect 5-point perspective without any reference - just the way he did it? How about music? Do you know how old Mozart was when he wrote his first symphony? 8 years old. And that was an incredibly piece of art, not just random ass notes being mashed together. How about art again? Do you know who Isabella Brazhnikova is? At 11 years of age she was painting photorealistic masterpieces which were indistinguishable from photos. Are you gonna tell me that's not mind-boggling talent? To even imply that clearly talented people are not talented is one of the most mentally retarded takes I've read in a long time. Take your L and move on with your life, you simpleton.
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the kind words, but do you draw? You must be really interested in learning languages if you picked them up so quickly. That’s good for you. Maybe next time you can learn how to use those words to make coherent arguments. That would be a real talent I think. 🥰
@STFUppercut69
@STFUppercut69 10 ай бұрын
@@Devin_Art "Talent appears in all facets of life except in art because I draw and I'm sure you don't. I know because I are smarterest." Actually room temperature IQ. Have a nice day.
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 2 ай бұрын
Talent is interest, skill is obsession.
@thecatalog7188
@thecatalog7188 18 күн бұрын
Someone has talent when they learn things quicker and easier due to brain chemistry, I have three neurodevelopmental disorders and seeing how much I struggle compared to others I can assure you talent is very much a real thing to consider
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 14 күн бұрын
I can't comment on developmental hurdles of anyone other than myself but I am not neurotypical and I haven't seen any strong evidence that it gives me a leg up or down. I promise I am painfully normal, I just hit my head against the wall over and over until I got better. It took me until I was in my mid 20's to understand how to get better, faster. Once you unlock that, its exponential.
@thecatalog7188
@thecatalog7188 12 күн бұрын
@@Devin_Art I understand you don't mean harm with your message, I am not a beginner by any means, I have done the same as you, yet I still struggle using what I've learned due to having "anti-talent", I am tired of hearing "talent doesn't exist" in the art community, it is by far the privileged thing to say.
@nexpert2651
@nexpert2651 Ай бұрын
I wish i could agree, but denying the impact of talent like that is just downright wrong. Talent without the hard work leads to nothing most times, i agree. But the startingpoint and the adaptability of your brain to the particular task play a major role weather your work leads to something or not. You can sharpen a copper sword as long as you want, but it will never cut like one made from folded steel. Of course you can grow immensley with determination and smart use of time, but there is a reason why some people stand out in a field of monsters. Do you think KJG is the only artist who dedicated 30-40 years to the craft? What separates hin from all the hundreds of thousends of hardworking pro artists? I can tell you: Talent. Bis brain and soul were just a perfect match with drawing. Thats how i see it. Peace ✌️
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 14 күн бұрын
Hmm, I don't think he was the only one to dedicate that much time no- however I wasn't arguing that. I am pointing out how he became highly specialized in the things he really enjoyed doing. He wasn't a good designer, very rudimentary at best, he didn't necessarily invoke the strongest emotions all the time, his work and style are very base level in their interests. I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing, nor do I mean those as an insult. He hyper specialized in anatomy and perspective. I should consider a follow up video to this one day, maybe not specifically about him but like maybe expanding on a few things, its been a while so I have additional thoughts. I could have delved deeper. Backing up a bit, on your point on talent, I also have an addendum- There are thousands of artists who are as skilled and specialized as KJG but in their own focus or practice. Their are living artists who draw like KJG who just don't have the fame attached to them, that's life. High skill level doesn't mean it translates you to a decent level of notoriety. If you want to look into some artists I think are similar to him, in that straight ahead and no under drawing style, I recommend Peter Han, Even Mehl Amundsen, Karl Kopinski, Frank Frazetta, Jack Kirby, JC Lyendecker, Rembert Montald, Claire Wendling, Moebius, Adam Adamowicz and more. You may have heard of some of these artists, some are contemporary, some are classic illustrators and beyond. KJG was not as rare as you may think. He was extremely skilled and lucky to be discovered, right place, right time. Lightning in a bottle, but lightning strikes thousands of times a day. Not every strike is seen.
@SymthArt
@SymthArt Ай бұрын
the word talent is intresting, I feel it belongs to people born with things, I wasnt born with the ability to draw well I was just intrested in it, I drew nothing good at the start now I can draw a little better, it is a skill, but it is also a talent.. Werid grey area, and yes very clickbaity but eh this is the internet
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 14 күн бұрын
Thanks, I don't necessarily think its click bait because I do argue against the use of the word talent in most contexts.
@finalbreath15
@finalbreath15 2 ай бұрын
I've been told i'm artistically talented, but i'm by no means skilled because i dont use the skills i do have enough sadly, or put time into developing new ones
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 2 ай бұрын
...sigh
@fatoomgierdien110
@fatoomgierdien110 4 ай бұрын
Kim Jung is BRILLIANT🎉❤ A GENIUS‼️👌✨️ToomCapeTown
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 4 ай бұрын
He was very well trained and studied, sure.
@yairelyashuv
@yairelyashuv 5 ай бұрын
I agree that drawing is a skill not a talent, but i think that some people do have a "talent" for it. I think that a "talent" is a set of skills that is naturally (by genetics and life experiences) given to a person, and while i do agree that actually drawing is a skill, i also think that some people have natural advantages over others in obtaining it, such as natural observation tendency or fast understanding. thanks for the video though, i'm happy you explained that whole thing of talent and skill, because saying that someone is "talented" at a particular skill - for me at least it underappreciates the amount of time and effort that person puts towards it.
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 4 ай бұрын
Its impossible to quantify what is nurture vs nature, the only thing in life you have control over is how you behave and the effort you put towards something. If I didn't see great improvements to my own work after doing correct studying, id maybe believe you more. Fact of the matter is, I didn't get good or better at drawing until I started doing the practice and methods that every pro and master draftsperson had been telling me to do years prior. At some point, you have to accept personal accountability and do the work. No artist worth their salt would say they are talented. Thanks for the appreciation.
@yairelyashuv
@yairelyashuv 4 ай бұрын
@@Devin_Art I agree with most of your statement, but how would you explain that some people invent their own methods and learn everything by their own? (Leonardo de Vinci, for example, was a genius! I would have not gotten to his level and would have never understand the human anatomy so deeply by myself, like he did! I would need someone to teach me..) I truly believe that even though I can become very skilled and good at drawing, I just can't do some things that some very rare people can. Thanks for the reply!
@carlosalbertolealrodriguez5529
@carlosalbertolealrodriguez5529 4 ай бұрын
Actually, if you analize his drawings, you will find mistakes... But that´s okay, we are not looking for perfection, it´s the whole scenario that we care about...
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 4 ай бұрын
I never said he never made mistakes, of course he did. That's irrelevant.
@carlosalbertolealrodriguez5529
@carlosalbertolealrodriguez5529 4 ай бұрын
@@Devin_Art Of course !!!
@yeoldegrayCat
@yeoldegrayCat 7 ай бұрын
I consider "talent" to be having the ability to pick something up with more ease than others, but anyone can do what a "talented" can level by putting in a bit of extra well calculated time and effort(because it is also very possible to do something daily and still suck at it).
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 7 ай бұрын
To a degree yes, but that only takes you so far. If you do something wrong daily, you won't suck at it. Repeating bad habits gets you poor results. That is the point, sure some people stumble to the good habits sooner than others but that is dumb luck quite frankly. Its far more nurture than nature. By a significant factor.
@randallgoeswhere
@randallgoeswhere 7 күн бұрын
What about Kim Jung Un?
@theapexpredator157
@theapexpredator157 6 ай бұрын
I feel like people are indeed Talented. People who usually like to explain why others are really good at art or something, like to rationalize that, that person has put in a lot of years and has a lot of experience. This is a cop-out. The harsh truth is that Talent can seem threatening to people who lack it. It makes them painfully aware of how little, if any, they possess...
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 5 ай бұрын
As a professional character designer/ concept artist, teacher, instructor and now youtuber/ instructor, I am still astounded at how badly people's critical thinking skills are utilized today. Just like my students who make excuses for not having their homework finished, people like you make excuses for why some people are good at things and others are not. I provided evidence as to why and how hard work pays off and your response was "I don't think so, why? because". I'm going to have to have you redo the assignment, sorry. It seems that you misunderstood the curriculum. Best give it another go and try again. Instead of making excuses, you could simply draw. Idk, just a thought.
@theapexpredator157
@theapexpredator157 5 ай бұрын
@@Devin_Art I think that Hard Work pays off, but some people are just good or even great right from the start where others have less proficiency... I also think that people who lack talent shouldn't make excuses for not putting in the hard work assuming that they actually want to become better at their craft. Lastly, I should mention that I never did your assignment in the first place and that I do indeed draw...
@biggSHNDO
@biggSHNDO 2 ай бұрын
Could not agree harder
@haidaralhaibi4416
@haidaralhaibi4416 10 ай бұрын
Please stop making videos regarding his skills, do you think that someone with no natural gifts can reach his level, you do these videos convincing people that talent is no more than 10 percent while in fact its more than 50 percent of course you have to be good, KGJ says that he was spatially advanced even from kindergarten. TALENT MATTERS combined with motivation and dedication makes a master.
@josephgabriel3609
@josephgabriel3609 10 ай бұрын
Part of what you say is true, But PERSISTENCE in your chosen field and a red hot PASSION for achieving your goals plays a tremendous role in success!! The old Confucius Quote: "The Man who says he can, and the man who says he can not. Are both correct."
@haidaralhaibi4416
@haidaralhaibi4416 10 ай бұрын
@@josephgabriel3609 Iam not against dedication , but from my perspective as an university art teacher , I've taught many talented students show much more intuitive ability to understand spatial concepts. what a talented individual can do in a short time takes years for a fully dedicated one. I've seen tens of videos talking about Kim Jung Gi's art from many content creators, those people look like they Envy and underestimate the potential of A master Like Gi.
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
As I spent 25 minutes discussing, I disagree. Do you have any evidence to back up your claim? I will not accept that he is some sort of God with divine abilities. There are no natural gifts, there are interests that some develop and some don't. Every 3 year old kid draws the same, 30 years later, the one who kept at it will be better than the one who didn't. If you want to argue a specific point, let me know what specific part you have issue with. Talent doesn't matter, its irrelevant and I will stand by that. KJG is not the only artist who draws as well as him, he's just the one that most people know about. He is not an anomaly.
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
I am also a university art teacher and this is also my perspective as such.@@haidaralhaibi4416
@haidaralhaibi4416
@haidaralhaibi4416 10 ай бұрын
@Devin_Art Support my claim! Okay, Iam talking in general, there's something in psychology called types of intelligence, KGJ posess Spatial intelligence, and the evidence is clear he says that"he remembers things much more Time than others", also the test of " vividness of visual memory" which was developed by Harvard university, that supports my" Claims" , notice that Iam not saying that talent is the only thing and Kim Jung Gi is a god, I say that talent with dedicated efforts makes superior quality work. Additionally, I didn't say that kim is the only one there might be many other artists, but we don't know them. What I (claim and have no clear evidence of) is that KZfaqrs Envy a very talented draftsman which we didn't experience someone matches his technical skills and use of visual memory, Yet. I will argue on a specific claim you said saidwhich is /talent doesn't matter/ We have hundreds of Artists across the history of art who proved that talent matters even If you didn't work of 40 years Van Gogh is an example to name the least, he started painting in his thirties and changed course of art within 7 years. Talented people make what others consider a god's work a piece of cake.
@Peganox
@Peganox 10 ай бұрын
I enjoyed this video friend, good work
@rerelala.
@rerelala. 8 ай бұрын
❤❤❤
@CallingAllAngels
@CallingAllAngels 10 ай бұрын
Nice job brother!
@darnes12
@darnes12 10 ай бұрын
your hangups don't dictate aesthetics man.
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
what? lmao
@datface7615
@datface7615 4 ай бұрын
No one is talented But you cant deny that sole people have better capacities and habilities than other less gifted. Many people doesnt have the same mind construction and imagination as kim jung gi Even he on interviews said that he is able to retain information for a little more of time than average people. Of course ,he is the clear definition of hard working and talent with a huge passion for art, and its pretty rare to see artists so unique as him. Thats why he was talented in some way, but me, and artist, would never say that he was purely talented, he has better qualities than average and that cant be denied, and that will not make me or any other artist to lower my expectations of what i can achieve, because he was the best on his area, and so there are many other artist that surpass him in other aspects.
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 3 ай бұрын
While I somewhat agree that its possible people have a different starting point than others, it doesnt account for the obsession and work ethic people like KJG put in from an earlier age than frankly most people do. He was obsessed with drawing, more than others and put in more work than most, thats why he ended up where he did relative to others. His ability to retain information, if you watch the full context clip is something he isnt sure he developed or something he was born with. I can say, for myself- as I get better at drawing and my studying gets more in depth, my memory and retention of images in my head also improves. This doesnt account for aphantasia or other such memory recall types, however- there are artists who are on the level or beyond that of KJG that do not have a "visual" imagination. Lacking in one skill or mental aptitude means you must rely on others that improve tertiary skills.
@datface7615
@datface7615 3 ай бұрын
@@Devin_Art i do agree with ur point now that i see it too...of course there are other guys with photgraphic memory that can achieve something bigger than kim yun for example...but, agh i really hate the word talent. Because in this same logic that we talk, no one is talented in life, just with better capacities or uniqueness that can be exploted with our own path that we choose. Hell even there can be another kim yung gi being born and working to be like him or even better. I do believe thou that some people are better in some aspects in their life than others. But lets agree that no one is talented when it comes to art.
@kooldisciple2498
@kooldisciple2498 4 ай бұрын
must be why none draw like him right......... nor KT......... Nor Mobius. Next yall tell me is you dont believe in ceilings............... Must be why you can run track all your life and never run under a 4.7 and a skinny ninja just runs 4.2 because his ceiling is higher than yours.
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 4 ай бұрын
A bunch of nonsense from a child who is unwilling to do the work, you listed three extremely famous artists who draw well that put in decades of work and you think that's a good defense. There are hundreds or thousands of artists who reach that level that you've never heard about, that don't become famous or don't post their work online. Your analogy for sprinting is faulty, because there are genetic advantages certain people have over others regarding twitch muscle fibers, bone length, insertion point variation, lactic acid management, ATP effectiveness, lung capacity etc, etc. Drawing requires very little physical prowess. Saying no one draws like KJG is wrong. If you are in denial about the work you have to do, I feel bad for you, the rest of us will do the work necessary to succeed. Quit making excuses.
@kooldisciple2498
@kooldisciple2498 4 ай бұрын
@@Devin_Art lmfao I’ve done the work. The thousands wasted on art school show that. I can draw an Apple. It will never be hung up on a wall as an art piece. To deny talent is to deny common sense. Effort does not equal = skill. Want proof? All the sports in the world are all world class, yet how many Steph curry’s are there? I’ll wait.
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 2 ай бұрын
Paying for art school isn't the work. Great and "talented" artists just didn't give up. Sports and drawing can't be compared. Drawing takes an able bodied person with working hands and a lot of correct and diligent study practices. The same can't be said for high level athletes like Steph Curry- besides the obvious fact that he had the means to get the best possible training and coaching possible, he's also genetically predisposed to have certain physical traits; height, ape index, high ratio of twitch muscle fibers, muscles effective at reducing and removing lactic acid build up, lung capacity, hand size, etc. But you aren't listening because I already described why athletes have genetic predispositions to being athletic. The same is not true for drawing. Keep coping, instead of drawing, I could care less. You're only wasting your time. If you don't like drawing enough to dedicate time to it, thats on you. If you're complaining about "talent", you're in denial! sorry!
@Andrew______
@Andrew______ 10 ай бұрын
Weird click bait
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
It's not if you watch the video.
@armandogavilan1815
@armandogavilan1815 8 ай бұрын
He was a genius of perspective and improvisation, period. But also his ideas (which he had A LOT) were trivial and irrelevant for art, the finished product is just a nice technical work.
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 8 ай бұрын
You can 100% criticize his designs and the content may not be for you but we should strive for better critiques than using inflammatory and essentially useless criticisms like "trivial and irrelevant for art" - whatever that means. There is objective and subjective and its important not to conflate your personal opinion with facts.
@armandogavilan1815
@armandogavilan1815 8 ай бұрын
@@Devin_Art I love the man don´t get me wrong, I stay in awe to his capacity, out from this world, but I´m also are a douche who likes to see both sides of the equation and be honest about other aspects of any artist work. In the end can´t help to feel that his fortee is the process and to watch footage or even better live drawing, the end is more or less trivial, what you end up watching in the final work.
@captainwohop
@captainwohop 10 ай бұрын
100% clickbait thumbnail but the content is spot on 🍻
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
It is and it isn't. I am trying to make an argument that the thumbnail is exactly correct- He wasn't talented, he was skilled.
@Kopie0830
@Kopie0830 10 ай бұрын
Thank you.
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
You're welcome!
@smugram5937
@smugram5937 4 ай бұрын
Talent for me, is when an individual improves at a faster pace than the majority or the average
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 3 ай бұрын
Did they improve faster because they "just did" or did they improve faster because they did the correct practices and did them deliberately. As an instructor, I see this expressed daily- I'll work with my students and give them the tools to improve their skills in a demonstratable way. The ones who use the tools that are given, are the ones who improve- those who do not, are the ones who struggle. People love to discredit hard work by saying "they were just talented, thats why". The only consistency is that the people who become great and skilled artists, are the ones that put in the work.
@smugram5937
@smugram5937 3 ай бұрын
@@Devin_Art true, however there are those who are actually gifted and apart from others. Like those who have borderline photographic memory or better memorization, quicker comprehension and pattern recognition. They're obviously destined to become greater, but this doesn't mean that others can't achieve mastery that is just as great. There was a hungarian psychologist who had an experiment about the truthfulness of "talent". Search about the "Story of the polgar sisters (animated)". Most of those so called gifted children were most likely surrounded with the sport that they excel in starting from childhood.
@smugram5937
@smugram5937 3 ай бұрын
KZfaq goofy with dissapearing replies
@theanimelibarian7881
@theanimelibarian7881 10 ай бұрын
There are talented artists i knew art prodigies 5th grade had a kid already draw insane things like mobile suit gundams in class things that adults struggle with some people just cant stand that there are just naturally gifted people and wants to bring those people down to everyone else's level like yourself i seen your art and why and am i not suprised art is mid its always people like you in the art community 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 10 ай бұрын
well, I know 2 guys that say the opposite. Checkmate.
@theanimelibarian7881
@theanimelibarian7881 7 ай бұрын
​@@Devin_Art no loser no checkmate your sad and your trying to get views off of someone great just end this garbage channel mr hardwork
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 2 ай бұрын
No you.
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