Really nice! I recently acquired a 3b silversonic (late 67/early 68 provided s/n are correct at website)with the .508 bore and agree about this horn needing a little more attention for the partials. The horn wants to growl on its own in lower registers. I’ve managed to take a little “brightness” out of the timbre using a Schilke 52E2 for a more dark rich tone.

It sounds wonderful a thousand times better than many I have seen today

Hi Paul, thanks for putting up this video. I play a late 60s 3B silversonic and bought a mint mid 60s brass 3B that came along at a song only a week back. What I notice is the two are very different. In some ways quite opposite. The brass 3B is very open, a lot like a large bore feel and larger than some large bores. It doesn't have much back pressure at all. It has some almost highway size partials and certain notes really need to be placed such as the top Ab. It takes quite a bit of air too. And has a very easy top range, certainly to super Bb which is a sweet note and feels like you are standing on a bridge rather than a type rope. Easy pedals too. Now the 3BSS, is so different. Much tighter, a little less top range, tighter easier to hit partials, back pressure, more compact, and straight out of the case left me feeling I could take on the world, but was more a solo instrument than a section horn. I resonate with all your comments. The brass 3B is a keeper but it is not quite what I expected. To sum it up it almost feels too big for its own shoes and had me wanting a smaller mouthpiece to gain some back pressure and a little more control. Paul, thanks for your review.

@@briandugger4367 very cool

@@kenhughes3434 awesome, thanks for your insights. Very insightful and appreciated here 🙏

Thank you and good to know! Oh yes I know of Don Lusher absolute legend 🙌

Is that so? I know that Don Lusher played Conns early on (and nominally the B&H Sovereign later, then Yamaha 691) but I thought he played a 2B for most of his career, after handling Tommy Dorsey’s one on tour in 1956. But I did see on a chat board somewhere that someone claimed to own a 3b that belonged to him. Have you read somewhere that he played a 3b? In guess it would make sense given the range of his work.

@@PaulTheTrombonist Legend indeed. If you hear a trombone on a UK session recording from the 60s-80s, the chances are it would be DL - as various as the Muppet Show to John Barry’s Bond soundtracks. Played with him once - he did a lot of work with youth jazz orchestras in the UK.

So true! Thanks for the insight

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Thanks for watching

Awesome comment, thank you 🙏

I have a 105 year old Buescher. Definitely not as smooth a slide as my newer king but still a far stretch better than sandpaper!!

Nice, I gotta try the duo Gravis

ah yes! I should of remembered

Yes and the one I saw him play was a Silver Sonic 3B

Thanks for the insights! Yes would love to demo a 16m 🙏

Actually, the Bach 16M has a .508 bore, and the 3B has a .509 bore. I own both, but could never get the projection or focused quality from the Bach.

Solid durable horns! 🙌

Wow! Sweeet 🙌

@@PaulTheTrombonist You have a great sound!

@@bobboscarato1313 thank you 🙏

Sad I missed him

cant go wrong with these horns. Good price point, feel, sound and the vintage will become more and more in demand as time goes on because they will become more and more rare

Awesome! Is 3b+ .525 bore and gold brass bell?

@@PaulTheTrombonist yes It is nice for Jazz, Avantgarde and Symphonie like Anton Dvorak Nr 5. Or Bolero. Perhaps a little to weak for Brukner or Wagner Originals. I like the Music from Mangelsdorff, Ed Neumeister, Carl Fontana, Frank Rosolino, Bill Watrous, Andy Martin, Bob McChesney, Nils Wogram, Nils Landgren, Phil Wilson, Andreas Schickentanz, Michael Danner, Michael Hubertz ....

Oh yeah , he is great

Wow! 🙌✅

Ya I’d love to try the SS. I’m not sure as no other horn of similar size of 3b had that issue using same mp set up

@@PaulTheTrombonist - I’ve always felt that the King lead pipes responded like no other of the numerous horns I’ve played. It was the reason I preferred the 3B over the 16M. I tried several different mouthpieces on the 16M, too, including the Heritage 6BS. It’s an interesting phenomenon. Have you ever played a Bolero?

Nice, how does the 4b play?

@@PaulTheTrombonist Like you said with the 3B, if you get the buzz right it has an amazing sound. But if you are having an off day you can easily start splitting notes and misplacing them. I mainly play in Brass Bands these days and the sound easily matches those of bigger Bass Trombones when you absolutely nail it in the bottom register. Although on more technical pieces I miss out the bonus of an extra trigger. The slide is as super smooth as my old 3B was. Currently saving up to get it to look as good as it can sound. As it's 15 years of hard use are starting show.

@@GeneralAccident1976 very cool, thanks for the insight 🙌

very interesting to know. thank you!

Yes I think the chrome and the lightwight Slides makes the big difference. Was ist the wrong material for this.

I have a 1917 Buescher Grand that is similar. Love it but definitely have had better luck using trombotine than slide doctor to keep it moving. It likes the the thicker creamy grease.

Thanks, I’ll do a vid without the reverb soon

Nice , thank you

Hey Todd! I wish I remembered to put him in this video. thanks for the comment

The hn white website has a section

My BAC and a Williams of the ones I’ve played this far in my life

@@PaulTheTrombonist Paul I am looking into a brand new BAC trombone what size bore do you play? I’d like something between a .500- .525 bore. I am also looking for lightning fast response yet ease of play. I am currently playing a king 2b with a worn out slide. I just love the sound of the BAC. I want something in that 3B range of a horn but with more ease of play. Give me a model number to consider. The thanks Paul.

@@pebblebeach8517 I am a fan of .500 bore trombones. I would look into their paseo model

Coming soon stay tuned!

Thank you btw

I have played a 2B and a 3b, and this is what I have to say. The 3B is more open because of the straight bore, but the 2B is a little different because of the Dual bore I would even say a little stuffy for my taste. But that's just my opinion. But I find that my 16M (corporation model) is very responsive, especially in the upper register. I find it more easy to play than my 6H. As a matter of fact, I have fallen in love with my 16M. I understand why Bill Watrous played one for his entire career.

@@TheJunebug65 nice insights

@@TheJunebug65 Thank you for your response. The 2B I own is a 1937 model straight bore 4.95 it was manufactured one year before they went to the dual bore 2b. My 2b is very responsive as noted above, it may have something to do with the metals back then compared to today’s metals but I’m not sure of that. Responsiveness is a pet peeve of mine I will demo the 16M. Thank you.

What mouthpiece are you currently using?

@@PaulTheTrombonist I am currently using an older Vincent Bach 7, although it feels uncomfortable to play with and I feel like I have to work for the high notes where as on other mouthpieces I’ve played I can get them a little easier. I’m also looking for more of a bite for lead playing.

@@Chandler-pc7yh I’ve never used a 10 or 12cs . I play a 6bs and it allows me to play lead and section work , you can get a deal on wick mouthpiece if you use my promo code in description

@@PaulTheTrombonist is it a v-cup or a bowl cup?

@@Chandler-pc7yh it’s the heritage series

wow sounds fun! ill try to find one

When I was in regional band for high school, 11 years ago, the trombonist sitting next to me was playing that vintage horn in the symphonic band!!! She got it for like $100 on eBay and it was in mint condition except for a little bit of wear on the slide. That’s the only time I ever saw one of those Kings

I think that might be a 2b

Thanks for stopping by

Alligator!

@@PaulTheTrombonist I bought a King 3B 125th Anniversary edition recently and quite fond it. Then I bought an Olds Ambassador from the '50s for just 150 euro's haha and now I can't choose :) Silly how some beginner models are quite good. Sure its not perfect but it has its own personality.

lol , I’m holding on to this one 😂

Ya was an accident . Noticed after recording

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There are some good ones from China actually

@@PaulTheTrombonist I wish I had been that lucky when I bought mine, the factory rod was damaged every time I clean and lubricate it and release a liquid like black oil on the internal rod, I have tried all the lubricants there are for trombone and none solves my trombone, But hey, he has gotten me out of trouble at the conservatory even though he gave me problems like that but I had to settle for what I have