I also saw this live. I had no idea what the hell I was watching, but I knew it was something really cool!

"Ace is the ultimate guitarist of the true KISS"

I'm so sick of Ace disses. Keith Richards is not a great technical player. Ace is Killer and tight as fuck.

Even falling down and laying on stage...awesome.

💯 esp in the carisma video

Right the lightning bolt jumpsuit is badass

Ace is the best metal guitarist I in my opinion

He was the youngest of the group. Probably way more in tune with what was cool back then

If that is an example of Ace’s unused solos he claims to still have.....Bring them on! Re-edit them back into the existing backing tracks and release as an alternate version. Throw some demos on there, and you have a true Anniversary release next year, 2021!

Hear Hear!!

Playback 3:14

@Hartley Hare He was blazing on the Move on solo!

Ace’s solo is the best part. The rest kinda sucks except for Singer’s solid drumming. Gene really can’t morning. Paul is Paul, a solid rhythm player.

He was ok! He was perfect for Kiss, their music isn’t very technical so just about any drummer could sound good with them.

なるほど。彼らがコンサートでこの曲をやらないのは、動き回りながら歌える曲じゃないからだったのか。

I mean he was a ok drummer better than Peter but nothing beats the magic Ace, Peter, Gene, and Paul had

Yes Eric was a great drummer. Love his double kick and toms he did on the Oath. I like the Elder but could have been their return to hard rock if they did more songs like this, I, The Island and Mr. Blackwell. Could have been great like Creatures was. Love this performance!

This album was a challenge for Eric Carr because he forced kiss to play heavier because he was a badass drummer and they knew it. And they wanted to do this album a little bit softer but it's still rock with that Carr. Let's celebrate Eric Carr

yes this line up musically was one of the best, yet short lived from around 80-82 and only one tour....unmasked.....i think musically the best was with VV which was also short lived 82-84, but had 2 tours Creatures & Lick it up...

Creature Of the night I love your Avatar. where can I see a larger pic of it?

It really is such a tragedy that Eric Carr didn't have a lot of great material to work with when he was in Kiss. He seemed like a great drummer that could have elevated good songs into great songs. But when he was in Kiss it seemed like his drumming was elevating mediocre songs into good songs. I mean, Forever is a great ballad that he elevated to something truly special with his drumming. Creatures Of The Night is mainly as great as it is because of Eric having more creative control over what he played. The guy could have been the next John Bonham, but instead he was more like John Rutsey (great drummer who never showcased his full potential because of what he had to work with. Geddy and Alex weren't the same guys who wrote 2112 when he was with them).

Creature Of the night Musically, their best lineup included Eric Carr and Bruce Kulick

Creature of the night. When I was kid I was so pissed when Ace left I couldn't believe it. I was nine yrs back in 1980 I liked unmasked and Dynasty

When you look at it from that perspective pauls behavior makes more sense and less villainous

Or.....did this all stem from what neil pointed out ?

Eric Carr and l had an incredible time one night in the middle of the Adirondacks with my gorgeous wife after a Foghat show - an incredible drummer and true gentleman. Oh, the stories l could tell. I'm just some fool from upstate NY, who because he could sing, and sing pretty well, got to do some cool shit with very famous and extremely talented people. KZfaq: The Hittman, Brett Allen sings Bob Seger's Turn the Page... What a tragic loss... but then l've lost so many over the years. What a talent. RIP

The song is garbage

@@capnphuktard5445 In your opinion..

@@marcoskazu_ I don’t know about deeply underrated, but The Elder is what it is. It’s a good record that has its moments and I’m ok with it being part of the Kiss discography.

The solo albums weren't successful, followed by Dynasty, which was commercially successful but hated (probably undeservedly) by many fans, followed by the universally reviled Unmasked... so yeah, by the time they made The Elder there was zero patience left for an experimental fairy tale album. Had this been released before '79, I'm sure it would have been received much better. It's a good (but not great) album.

I think the ELDER soundtrack is their best album musically & thematically of them all, too bad the movie never got made.

@Johnny Wheels I agree Johnny... Creatures was their ballsiest album at the time since Rock and Roll Over.

@@richardfinley4232 really? best album musically? WOW! ok just when i thought i heard everything from Kiss fans, you type this. interesting. this album for me is a throwaway. i think Unmasked has better songs and that's not saying much. this concept album was always a bad idea and the band should have listened to Ace(for once)

@@richardfinley4232 their best album ever!

What day was it on?

Really? How old are u?

I used to watch it, too. This aired on January 15, 1982. 'Music from The Elder' was released on November 10th, 1981. I ran out and bought it immediately and *adore* the album to this day.

Kind of an iron maiden vibe on some of it .

@@williamsidas9349 Good call! Maybe he got some influence when they toured with Maiden just a year before they recorded The Elder.

Not even close. He's barely a musician. Now Eric? That's different

😂

I’m with you.

like the blade of a sword.. 2d20+d4 to hit!🤘

I noticed that. It was so good.

@John Smith you’re right. Because it wasn’t his fucking solo to begin with. And made it better.

@John Smith that’s your response? Lol

​@@poojockmcplop1038 it's old news and well known Ace only played guitar on 1 or 2 songs on this album.

@@poojockmcplop1038 go play in the road and make yourself useful for once in your life

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Minus the REAL Kiss drummer, Peter 😢

@@b5maddogPeter messed. He had to go! Carr is 5X the drummer Peter ever was.

I agree, this was the best badass outfit worn by Ace.

He was kiss in there best years

This was my first time seeing Eric Car live in KISS, and Fridays was my joint back in the day. I was a little disappointed with the album at first listen but the music kept calling me back to it. Still to this day I'll put the elder on and just push play and creatures also. This still brings a big smile to my face. Much love to the KISS family.

I recently read some info about Eric Carr online, as I did not know much about him. He was a very talented musician, very disciplined. He even picked his stage name, as he knew he would need a good one to be remembered by.

He was a class act and I felt lucky to have met him several times and have a few drinks and chat!!

@@amerocker Eric could play guitar very well too.. He was an upgrade and the best drummer kiss ever had to this day.

It amazes me none of them ever came out. Paul is/was bi, he was banging Jean Beauvoir for a short while. Probably just a trendy bi though.

The first time I've ever heard this song and I love it. Sounds f**king fantastic.

It reminds me a little of Seven Seas Of Rhye by Queen crossed with Brighton Rock. Eric Carr is tremendous and Ace is crunching the riff to great effect. Paul sings a live rendition, its not supposed to sound like a record. Gene looks dangerous.

Yeah, I have to agree that the music is pretty damn good. Just not a fan of the vocals.

This the year I graduated high school, Stanton Blue Devils in Jacksonville Fla. The year of my first job working at PBS ch7, starting my KISS and BEATLES albums collection. Those were good times. Stay safe every one.

Yeah man, they nailed it skinned it and served it up raw! Great performance!

Well, he tried lol. I do love the raw-ness of this performance

Clearly live!

A shame he didn't reach them. Been a KISS fan since the early 70's, and truly love 'em. But Paul and a falsetto don't mix well. Pretty ballsy that he tried on live TV, probably knowing it wouldn't go well.

Somehow not easy, on the record he probably recorded two or three overdubs on different notes. They maybe were not too sure about the right one but Gene and Eric did a good work.

@@snakedoktor6020 Well he had probably blown his falsetto, which makes it hard to reach some notes because you have already started to belt up in that register (almos mixing) so you end up with a voice crack when you are trying to go just falsetto.

Delightful.....Boy Wonder!!!

Without the mustache of course...

LOL

Holy recall, he always did.

he was

This album was one of the reasons Ace left KISS.

It was an experiment that failed, sadly.

Love this outfit of Ace's...seems like he could move more "FREEHLEY" 😁👍👍👍🤘🤘🤘😁...IT IS A COOL OUTFIT AND I LOVE HIS SHOES...THOUGHT THEY WERE CONVERSE HIGH TOPS AT 1st!!!

I agree! This album is vastly underrated. It truly demonstrates the wide range and diversity of KISS's musical repertoire.

I think "Dark Light" is the best song KI⚡⚡ ever recorded.

escape from the island 👍💥

That was when this aired on ABC-TV during that time

Thank you for that.

No lineup will ever matchup with the originals, especially on KISS Alive, which is still their best album ever!

@@MrAntiSellOut I'm British, and all the BBC ever gives us is Songs Of Praise. (And the f**king license fee of course).

rdgSWwot Ace is overrated and lied constantly about being sober. So much for being genuine.

Who played the synthesizer here?

@@inlakesh555 Where do you hear a synthesizer?

Check out “The Midnight Special” from April, 1975. They played 3 songs live.

​@@gjlujduring the bridge

Also the original line up had to fake their performances because of technical reasons pretty often on TV

Because when you target a certain audience and try to change the blow back will be bad. After this album they just got worse. The big hair stuff in the 80s sucked. They made mistakes on some songs on this album but they should have stayed the frickin course and kept trying to expand their sound. People say songs on this album are embarrassing. How about writing a song lick it up? Now that's embarrassing.

@@greggorup1006 When a 15 year old, I really liked this, somehow it seemed a daring move but one I could relate to. Would have been great indeed to see the best of the Elder expanded and incorporated into their early repertoire

If you picked this album up the week it came out, you should know the hate, how old are you if you dont mind me askin'?

@@leeknievel748 Hi Lee, to be correct, I was 16 come to think of it. I am from The Netherlands, there wasn't much hate around KISS during that time concerning The Elder. Maybe fans here were more open to new ideas and music from KISS.

@@mathieubrekelmans206 Well, we were open to new ideas...................long as they were GOOD ONES!! lololol

Ace and Eric could have replaced and made a Van Halen killer. Ronnie James Dio, Ace Frehley, Eric Carr, Gene on bass.

@@skittykitty1000 what are you talkin about?

@@TheGravygun Ace and Eric could have replaced and made a Van Halen killer. Ronnie James Dio, Ace Frehley, Eric Carr, Gene on bass.

That isn't Ace, its Tommy Thayer. Ace and Peter were lucky enough to not be part of this lousy crap music. I am sure glad I had stopped listening to Kiss by this time as well.

Roger Hickson it’s Ace. Tommy Thayer didn’t start working with KISS until the mid to late 80s.

@@rogerhickson7256 You think Tommy Thayer was around Kiss 1981?

@@rogerhickson7256 I was lucky to stop after Love Gun, then I picked Kiss up again 1982 so I was out the loop of these years with Unmasked, Dynasty and the Elder.

@@rogerhickson7256 no, only Peter was gone at this point, it's still Ace here, but with Eric Carr on drums (Fox)

Live and very well...

Well la di fricken daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Yeah, "not that good"... at it's best.

yup there was not tour for the turd known as the elder

The only version with a guitar solo....thus proving Ace Frehley correct... Bob Ezrin shouldn't have cut out Ace's guitar solo because it's a good one...

I agree. Ace is awesome. Not Jimmy Page but who is? Lol. Paul and Gene bug the shit out of me. Always have!

@@davidstovall8573 Well for me Ace always bugged me because imo he plays sloppy and very unclean. Picking technique is a big mistery and he only uses 3 fingers on the fretting board which limits speed and diversity.

@@Dominicolous I agree with what you say about his playing. Critics have always said Jimmy Page is sloppy too but his colleagues say just the opposite. Joe Bonamassa said Page is the hardest player there is to copy. Anyway, I was drunk when I post the first reply about Ace. His sound takes me back to being a teenager and I do enjoy watching him sometimes.

@@davidstovall8573 nothing can top nostalgia. True words ;)

Ace es un mísico que hace sencillo todo lo que es muy difícil. Sin gran técnica, desarrolla melodías sublimes. Siempre fue el alma de Kiss, hoy es monotonía pura.

1980 that sounds about right. Great year for albums.

holy shit thats what i was thinking

I've had it on in the background during many sessions of D&D.

I love it too.

Medieval? Have you actually listened to medieval music? Nothing like it.

Or northern medieval sound

Definitely a great album.

“Non stop action”? lol. Sounds like this was written by KISS’ PR team at the time. My God, there’s flutes and shit in the album. When I think of non stop action I don’t think of flutes, lol.

Hahaha. .so true

Zod and his crew hahaha

Daniel Parra kneel before Stanley

which one is ursa?

@@vondernacht Gene lol🤣🤣🤣

You mean “young” Kiss

Huh? Are you sure? The Elder is horrible. It was in '81 and still is today. This is not a rock album. This is not a Kiss record. Ace and Eric Carr knew it was a mistake but they were overruled. Gene and Paul will admit today the record is awful. COTN from '82 blows this record away. In this performance you can easily see that Paul cannot hit the high notes that he did in the studio and the breakdown section with the keyboards should've been edited out.

@@javtimestwo Tastes are tastes. Andá a joder a otro lado.

In my opinion, the only good song on the elder, the rest is crap

The Elder RULES!!! Some of their heaviest and lightest songs on the same album. The Oath is a fucking BANGER

@@terjeandreassen6146 Just a Boy, Odyssey, Under the Rose, I, A World Without Heroes, Mr. Blackwell... Some nice gems there, my friend!

Me too I watched Fridays in my high school days I loved it

And with his leggings costume too

Lot of regrets from the 80's. sweat/head bands are just the beginning

He sings like one here.

....from the 80’s😆🤣

GOLD!! They all look stupid with short hair, esp Gene, haha

You are 100% right bro, strong playing all around. And along those lines, Gene is a very underrated bassist IMO.

@t BC. I thought the same thing with Gene's bass.! Killer to hear. With the cleaned up footage.. Hes slaying that bass..!! Cheers.

He is fabulous, but his drums sound awful. They weren't mixed very well.

KISSnWoNES Eric Carr is totally killing it here! As a kid, this was my first time seeing KISS on tv. I was 5. They blew my mind! Been a fan ever since. But I love all KISS members past & present, but as far as drumming goes, Eric Carr was my favorite KISS drummer. I love Peter Criss simply b/c he was the original. But no offense to anyone, but I do believe Eric Carr was light years ahead of Peter Criss as far as skills on the drums go. Don’t hate me! Lol...

talbot Yes, May he Rest In Peace :(

eric &♠are the best of💋band!! 😎👍👍

@@sjdss Neither of us can win the argument because it is all opinion. But this solo is not the one that appeared on the album.

seriously? its appalling. Probably the worst thing Ive ever heard him play in the 35+ years Ive been a Kiss fan. (although his solo on the live version of Dark Light was ghastly too lol)

Then i guess you have never heard the 75 promo of black Diamond

@@ginajames4564 appalling? really! ... for a live performance where he only gets 1 shot at the solo this stands as a great example of Ace's playing.

@@dstrvyer69 lol, its hardly as though he`s standing on stage and this is the first time he`s ever heard the song is it! :-D . Its AWFUL. No clue, out of key, aimless slop. He could have done something WAY better if he`d actually bothered to practice something.

Like a lot of mideastern men he almost naturaly has an Afro

Black cotton candy.

it was a vary sad time...

Darth vadar helmet

He was balding.

He was the only real talent the band ever had

Rick Jones LOL! Aceholes say the darndest things

@@TheGodYouWishYouKnew Well I will say this with 100% confidence. Ace's guitar talent far exceeds Paul Stanley's vocal talent and as far as Paul Stanley on guitar they aren't even in the same universe.

Brandon Lee check out Detroit rock city live Australia 1980 really good sound sold made mega bucks

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You have to be kidding? This stuff sucks... KISS has so many great songs and the mainstay of those will always be Paul's and Gene's voices and performances. Ace really has little to do with it...

Donald Mousseau not really genes voice..Lol

Donald Mousseau yup although this song isn't bad The Elder blows chunks!!!

It was supposed to be the soundtrack for a film. Try listening to Toto's "Dune" music by itself, rather than as the soundtrack of Dune.

people don't like change. It's called conservatism

I dug it then at 17 and I dig it now at 59..😊

@@god6384 if you’re comparing it to Liberalism…:nah. You’re off the mark with that analogy. However that’s a perfect example of how change is not for that better.

Paul said it's a good album but not a good kiss album. It wasn't what they needed at the time, ace was finished because of it, fan reaction was bad for it and creatures, it was downward spiral.

If not for the dumb contrived lyrics it would be in their top 3 musically for sure.

Amen! Way before its time. But hardcore kiss fans at the time were like...wtf? Now we get it 😎💪👍

@@bassmanjohn4052 no we don't...it's horrific...if you want kiss listen to kiss alive

@@booknooky9436 exactly!! It’s literally just the lyrics and vocal stuff that ruined it. Music is awesome!

"...and many cudos to Arch Enemy for doing an AMAZING cover of it..." that was great, thank you very much!

Pretty sick of hearing the word "underrated" too

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

🤣😂😅😆that's too funny!!!

Yeah.....A little Extra Sugar In The Tank!

Paul's butt beads...

This is the best fucking comment I've ever seen 😂😂😂👏👏👏

But the vocals were terrible.

@@flipwright1138 KISS SUCKS !

I thought he sounds the best I have heard him play, space man forever

I like Ace. But Paul & Gene are KISS. Obviously.

@John Smith well I certainly like Frehley 's Comet over most of the 80s and 90s KISS albums

It was Eric Carr that kept him around a little while longer. He loved Eric, but he knew he couldn't function in the KISS system any longer.

When I was a kid, I got my first KISS album, Destroyer. A visiting preacher came to our church and informed us that KISS were satanic and we should burn their records if we had any. I asked my dad what he thought and he said they said all the same things about Elvis, who he loved so not to worry about that.

I've played songs from this release for MANY people.And didn't tell them who it was.They liked them. Then went.😮🤯

Wrong

@@MrSpaceace1999 Every track on the album is superb, I guess you are more into bieber.....

Not by me it wouldn't

My thoughts exactly. I don't know how in the blue hell you could trash The Elder. "I", " The Oath", " Under The Rose", & " A world without Heroes" are some of my favorite KISS songs.

Imo it's the best KISS album ever.

Masterpiece.

it really grew on me..........ezrin should have kept more of aces solo work though

+mike de carlo DaI I think Dark Light might be one of if not the best Ace solo

Yes exactly. This song is hard to sing live & Paul nailed it here!!! Love how Ace changed the solo from the album here. That's probably what he wanted to play on the album but was out voted & was made to play what Paul & Gene wanted him to play.

@@jameshughes6049 yep this is what Ace wanted on the album plus atleast the song sounded more Kiss like with him doing this here

@@CrazyLG72 yeah it sounded good too!!

@@jameshughes6049 yeah all Bob Ezrin did was push Ace away from the band by cutting lots of his guitar work out of the Elder songs

@@CrazyLG72 yeah I know, Ezrin & Ace didn't get along from the Destroyer recording sessions.

No cause barely anyone would know this song and we don't want to see another song lip synced or sung horribly

Paul could barely pull off the live vocals then. No way now.

I would. Anything to get Say Yeah ! or Crazy Nights off the setlist.

Geezus some people wouldn't know sarcasm if it punched them in the face.

They played it on the kiss kruise and it sounded fine and anyone who goes to a Kiss concert at least 90% of the people know the song and it would have been super cool to have something new added to the set it would have been exciting

I don't CARE what anyone thinks.. I personally think it's one of the best KISS albums ever!!.. Every song is really great, especially "A World Without Heros' and especially "I"..

Falsetto...ehh

It ain't no Hotter Than Hell👎🏻

It's not underrated. It's possibly their worst, and it's rated accordingly by the majority of fans.

But it was the start of the end.