The word of God is the word of God. I like both versions

Ok now compare it to the Original Greek Text. I am tired of people treating the KJV as the Original Text. It isn't. It is a Translation! Not the original text

The question should be: which one is translated correctly? I want to know what is inspired and preserved.

The KJV makes Jesus deity clear, it's saying Jesus is the self sufficient and self existing Sovereign uncreated Supreme God. even in Philippians 2:6 Says Jesus is the form of God and He thought it not robbery to be equal with God. but the NIV in Philippians says that Jesus didn't account to be equal with God. I'm not KJV only but I love how the KJV and NKJV shows more of Jesus deity and doesn't change words. not saying that NIV is evil by the way, just saying it does take away Jesus deity in some verses.

Their both one in the same translation. Don't look at it as if one is incorrect just because it's worded differently. Jesus lives in the hearts of men. When Peter says "Lord, where are you staying?" And Jesus says "come with me and you will see" that passage (as well as EVERY other passage) is meant for us all. Any who walk with Jesus and learn from Him, you come to find that you yourself give birth to Him in your heart. When this happens you'll find yourself only interested and talking about Jesus rather then things in the world, hence, the mouth speaks what the heart is full of. WE'RE ALL made IN THE IMAGE of the father. Jesus lives in the heart of the Father that makes Him one with the Father. In the same way Jesus lives in us when we except him and give birth to him in our own hearts. In exodus it speaks of the matrix. If the world exist within the Father and were made in his image, He walks the world within us. As he does so he tells all the people within us that they don't know the father (which in this case would be you) keep asking questions like you just did! But more importantly, ask all these questions to God in prayer. He will reveal all things to the persistent. Blessings...

I read from several translations. If I’m unclear, I need to prayerfully search out the meaning. We are blessed to have so many Bibles, study Bibles, and pastors available at our fingertips.

Ive been making comparisons like this between these two translations for a while and I have found many, many differences. I love it! Keep up the studying my friend!

“No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known.” ESV version for anyone wanting an additional

NIV clearly states Christ is God.

King James existed before an NIV. Also in in 1st Corinthians 15: 27 - 28. Jesus himself said that God had put all things under his feet. Except for God himself. People get very offended when you say this. They also think that you do not believe that Jesus is the only way to heaven or that Jesus is our savior. Each Bible they make for each so many years changes more and more and more suddenly. But I've read enough of them now to see that subtle isn't even subtle anymore when you compare them to the original Bible. Which was Translated from the original scolls and Torah. Jesus also said that he did not come to Abolish the old laws.

There are a lot of verses missing from the NIV. KJV will always be the source. Pray and ask the Father what version is best for you.We all have are preference.

I think Mike winger did a video on different Bible translations and it was really good it talked about how most translations of the Bible are accurate and only make changes when new information is found because new manuscripts are found and we compare all the manuscripts to see what the truth of the Bible really is and translating that truth in a way people can understands (but of course some translations aren’t true at all like the mirror Bible and many others) I really recommend watching his videos but if you want to keep reading the kjv version I totally get it and I don’t think the kjv is a bad version to read at all ❤ hope you have a blessed day 😊

I primarily use the KJV, however, the NIV translation is just fine. If anything in this verse the NIV actually appeals to Christ divinity even more it’s very clear it’s literally that he is god. Lol what are you even complaining about?

KJVJON has excellent comparison videos of different bibles! I highly recommend watching his KJV vs NIV to everyone!!! And KJV vs NKJV as well!

Can anyone suggest which are better to read? Kjv or niv? I’m currently reading Niv since I can understand English than kjv.

I believe the KJV is

Says exactly the same thing. One in old English and ine in more modern English. If people battle understsndung English thier own mother tongue. May God help them. No issue here.

Niv has a copyright, is owned and monetarily profitable like all the other translations. Only Kjv or preferably the geneva is an authorized version and not "owned".

"Only Begotten Son" clearly supports the incarnation of the Son of God. "Only Son" is a contradiction in logic. How can Christ be an "Only Son"? Adam was a "son of god". Also, the angels are "sons of God". In addition, we as believers are "sons of God". "Only Begotten Son" strongly deliniates Christ as God manifested in the flesh (the incarnation). The Greek says Monogenes, "mono" meaning "only", "genes" meaning "born". Hence "onlyborn" according to Strongs #3439. "Begotten" means procreated or generated. "Only Son" is a watered down rendering which does not make sense logically but also takes a swipe at the incarnation. If a person prayerfully, humbly compares translations side by side, they will truly discern the Scriptures by the Holy Spirit. All translations have value & God can sovereignly use any of them. However, they are not all equal in purity, authority & power. Seek ye out the book of the Lord.

I mean honestly, the NIV makes more literal sense on this passage. I love the history of the KJV, however, I don’t speak Elizabethan English. Neither did the Apostles. 🤷🏼‍♂️

Definately the NIV. "Who himself is God."

Preference does matter Gods word is pure and a shield to those who have faith, The English language is not preserved Gods word is. Don’t believe the lie you can have a preference that was satans lie in genesis “ye shall be as gods knowing good and evil.” If you can’t understand the speech of Jesus it’s because you are of your father the devil and you should get saved

I think both versions of this verse capture the essence that Jesus had been with God. Honestly, believers who are curious enough can go search different translations to understand the meaning.

The translation from Greek to modern English are different any time you translate languages you can't translate identical but you can come close to what you want to convey your message. The bible originally was in Greek,Hebrew,and Aramaic then translated to Greek and from there it has been translated to modern languages as I understand it. But find a bible that you can understand whether it's King James, ESV, NKJ, NIV CSB,NASB,or NLT. I read NKJ ESV or NIV.❤

Just wait till bro compares 1st Timothy 3:16 KJV: God was manifest in the flesh / NIV: He appeared in the body

Are there missing verses in the NIV (and other modern translations) or are there additional verses in the KJV? 😮

I have a 1984 NIV that says in John 1:18 "No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known." Blue Letter Bible NIV says "18No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God andfn is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known." Which NIV are you reading? Would have to be totally different Greek than RT or Nestle to translate that way. Seems like marketing and trying to be more conservative in your NIV. Or if you prefer the gender neutral NIV to fit another marketing niche. Just start in John 1:1 KJB pretty plain. You need to see a complete coalition of missing verses and phrases in NIV to get the real picture.

They are both equal in clarity: KJV is more poetic, bearing older language, and NIV expounds for lighter studies

They both say the same thing. But we are not versed in the language that the King James was written in. Also, the NIV is not a word-for-word translation. It is a thought-for-thought translation. Try the ESV, NASB, or the NKJV if you want a good word-for-word translation.

(Edit ahead) The NIV, like the ESV and many others change the wording in dangerous ways. Reference: 1 Corinthians 1:18 Compare the KJV with the previously mentioned, as well as any other commonly used Bible of today. One treats salvation as an act that happens once when we accept Christ's work on the cross, and the others claim perpetual action through our own works; The former states "are saved" and the latter "being saved". Use discernment when reading any scripture or other text and be guided by the Holy Spirit in all things. Edit: I wrote this as a KJV-onlyist and have since changed my perspective on translations. It's important to understand the context and not get stuck on variants in a single verse that don't actually affect the meaning. It's important to use discernment always, but I believe the Greek tells the true story, and there are a lot of great videos describing translations. I recommend doing thorough research on the origin of our Bible and the nature of Scripture. I've left my original comment for reference.

I read ..compare and contrast many translations.

It’s not a “this or that” situation as they both mean the *same* thing & are in agreement about who God is. Also, God’s word is different from whatever else we may read. God is not the author of confusion. One must have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them to understand God’s word. Having the Holy Spirit is *essential* to understanding the Bible. 1 Corinthians 2:14. “The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned *only* through the Spirit.”

both correct

The question is: which one is more true to the original text?

my niv is different…Maybe because it is older..mine says. No one has ever seen God but God the One and Only who is at the fathers side has made him known. mine is a 1984 version.I think the new ones have omitted scripture.

KJV ...NIV....thatts what Satan desires , using people to confuse ,they are one in the same , what are you trying to prove .

You sound like Chris from Family Guy.

The question is: which is more consistent with the Bible main theme and Jesus' own uncompromising teaching on the strict monotheism and obeying the Commandments? If we put our dogmas into Jesus' (or rather in John's) mouth that means we listen to the Messiah very badly.

So what does the Greek say?

Deceptive video. It may seem clearer here, but the KJV is clearer elsewhere. As in 2 Cor 5:19 and 1 Tim 3:16.

The KJV is made of inferior and less sources. The NIV had more to look at and work with, allowing the discipline of textual criticism to get us a more accurate reading. The study bibles will often explain these sorts of things. Sometimes something is more clear for what it’s trying to say, but less accurate to the original. There is much to be considered but if you’re reading either version and pursuing truth, I think you’ll be alright. These things are significant but don’t determine salvation.

I'm actually surprised the NIV is clearer on this one. 😅

Yes but remember 2 or 3 witnesses the Holy Scriptures collaborates it's self John 1v1-3 Col1v16 -Gen 1v1 -Col 2v9

It is crucial to acknowledge that both types of translations, such as the KJV and NIV, play a significant role in helping believers interpret the message of God accurately. The KJV, known as a Word-for-Word Bible, meticulously translates each word, phrase, and idea from the original text to ensure a precise match in the target language. On the other hand, the NIV falls under the category of a thought-for-thought Bible, focusing on conveying the meaning of sentences or paragraphs in a more modern and understandable English without strict literal translation. It is fascinating to note that various Bible versions utilize different translation styles, ranging from word-for-word to thought-for-thought, to cater to the diverse needs of readers seeking to engage with the Scriptures. Godbless you brother 🤜🏼🤛🏻 Also, if you are confused about the meaning of the word "bosom" in this context. "Bosom" or "chest" is used here to refer to a close and intimate relationship (see 13:23; Luke). The NIV clearly explains this for us lol Thank you Jesus 🫶🏼

Maybe you can translate Paul's consideration of all things as being as dung. Give us a better word. Dung, is that bell rung past tense?

The footnote?

The Bible was written by men who were moved upon by the Holy Ghost. Jesus said one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, til all be fulfilled. It also says not to add to or to take from the scriptures in revelation. People say they change things to make them easier to understand. The word of God is spiritually discerned. Without his spirit you can study all you want and be “ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth”. Let God be true and every man a liar. Men who wrote the word were moved upon by the Holy Ghost. Men who changed it were not.

Very subtle the NIV is. Removing begotten.

NIV makes more sense to today's modern English, the KJV-while a great translation-makes no sense unless you fully understand Elizabethan English.

You kind of says the same thing, Jesus, is God, the Trinity, the father the son, the spirit is God Jesus is God in the flesh. God is omnipotent and omnipresent. I don’t think it contradicts both are translations from the Greek And both work, though there is a subtle difference the meaning in the truth is the same. Translation always comes out a little different. King James was written in old English and do you have a cadence to it for memorization NIV is to be easier to read people who don’t understand old English. There are my new that will be different from translation to translation, the way I’ve always dealt with MS to check across multiple translations, and in almost every case it’s about the same and the meaning is generally the same and of course go back to the original Greek or Hebrew, the original language and look up the meaning of the words. To translate in English. Sometimes it’s hard, because these older languages, the Hebrew and some the words can be translated different ways with different context. One thing I see a lot of is atheist people trying to discredit the Bible or being almost legalistic and trying to get real picky about one version versus the other and this is OK you want to critique anything it is a translation and you want to know the true meaning, but I find often there’s an attitude where people are trying to discredit it altogether. I know some that are trying to add works into salvation will critique some. I think it was John 336 or maybe 26 or some versions use the word command and people will say that that is referring to the 10 Commandments or the Torah And try to say that repentant, faith and belief aren’t enough for salvation, that it requires works, or rituals to be performed, but when it says to follow his command, you go back, and you can read the command, which is simply to believe, so it’s saying the same thing, but people are trying to twist the meaning and you have to be very careful with that. if you read before and after the verse or read the entire chapter, then you’re reading it in its complete context. And to remember, when reading the Bible is originally, there were no verses these were added in later, to make it easier to reference, you will see people saying that they cut versus out when they did was combined them, because it made more sense contextually than trying to split it up into two different statements to match the verse numbering and did so to retain its original meaning. Good option is to read parallel Bibles or you have two versions side-by-side or some even three or four versions pick one that’s easy to read and if you have a questioning something or don’t quite understand it or something, particularly touches you or confuses you then you have multiple references right there, also, you can buy books or just look it up online you can find commentaries that reference the original meaning in the original languages before it was translated. They also reference versions like the Young’s literal translation, which you’re very hard to read but as a reference source can sometimes be helpful. All in all the first NIV, the king, James, even the new king, James and a few of the other standards, are all pretty close without losing the meaning. If you cross reference two or three or four of them, and it’s clear, you’re usually good. If it’s still confusing, then of course, go back to the original or listen to some commentaries, and I trust the commentaries that go back to the original translation, and back it up with other scriptures on the same subject within that context Generally, the king James version is considered by most the illusions to be very accurate, but it is also old English, and a little hard to understand, and I haven’t found any serious issues with slight differences in the wording or translation, but whenever anything confuses you or if somebody calls it into question just cross reference it across multiple sources and you can find commentaries and read the original translation And it’s usually not too difficult to figure out, and most of the more popular translations up until recently seem to be done without being deceptive. Some of the more modern versions are incorporating this mentality and political correctness, and are changing the meanings and meant to be deceptive. The 1984 version of the NIV or the new King James, or original King James are good places to start but I’ve also use the living Bible and the ESV and don’t really come across any major conflicts, but always remember it is a translation, so you can always go back to the original and study the meaning of that, and then read back a chapter and passed a chapter to get the basic context and you’ll be good.

I just learned that the original 1611 KJV included 14 other books... the Apocrapha. In 1885, they were removed. Any commentary on this would be appreciated. TIA.

I have a kjv companion bilble. I like the side notes. I use bible gateway online you can compare all versions They say the same things just some are clearer. Some times if i struggle with a verse in my real bible ill go to gateway to read other versions to clear it up.

The NIV. It says it so clearly. And those verses that is said to be missing is not actually missing but not found in the earliest manuscripts of the Greek new testament. Which means the source/manuscript, used for the KJV, has added verses to the books of the Bible.It is said that the people who copied the manuscripts have read another gospel, like Mark , and transcribed another gospel, like Matthew, knew how the gospel was written and noticed that Matthew doesn't have Mark 9:29 and added that verse to Matthew 17.So it's not that translations like the NIV don't have those verses, it's just that it's not found in the earliest manuscripts of the Bible. So guys please do research before judging other translations or saying its corrupt. And I don't mean any offence to anyone. I just wanted to clear up the misunderstanding about newer translations of the Bible. Love you guys and I hope this helps you and you understand what I was trying to say. ❤❤

I'm a kjv person over all cause it's the most original no versus removed but niv here is more clear on who jesus Pretty sure it's different manuscripts

The kjv is great and the NIV is like a translation of what the verse is saying so you can get what it means I had to jump back and forth to know what I was reading. So they're both ok for me I use them well and put em to good use the word of God is the word of God. God bless

I think both are pretty clear. I defend the NIV as it’s the only Bible I had for 45 years and it brought me to a place of conviction, repentance and saving faith. I enjoy all of the translations I’ve now read at least in part (KJV NKJV RSV NASB plus other ones I’ve looked at but don’t recall the names of) and my conclusion is unless it’s the Jehovah witness bible or the passion translation is the best Bible is the closest one. To trash other versions than the KJV is kinda cult like and bears false witness to The Word of God. Not everyone in the world has access to or can understand the KJV. If someone came to faith in say, China and all they had was the NIV, would they then not be saved because they read the wrong version? 🤫 God bless you in Jesus’ name brother 🙏✝️❤️

King James Bible has been around for over 400 + years! How long has the NIV been around exactly. Why is it that those who only read King James agree pretty much on everything when it comes to doctrine. Those who don't can't agree on hardly anything. Philippians 2:2-4 KJV fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind. Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves. Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others. You say you have problem understanding the King James well then simply pray about it & guess what you will understand it.

Amen ❤

why is my NIV missing the book of JAMES...

Not sure of your point? dynamic equivalence vs literal translation. No one has seen the living God and lived Ex33:20. Literally translations require more biblical understanding which I will try to shed some light on. Then in Ex 33 Moses gets to see the Lord walk by but cannot look at Him. Then Moses was glowing with the Shkina glory so much that he was veiled. The fact that the Son can be in bosom thus points to the Son's diety Himself. We can't see God because He is God Flesh in Jesus Christ and Spirit and at the same time One, which is beyond my physical human comprehensive .

Think that the NIV is more clear, this translation has gotten a lot of hate since 2011. It could best be looked as a commentary within a translation. Meaning, the verses extrapolate the meaning of the verse to the reader. I don’t use the niv exclusively ( I use the nkjv/KJV) but to kick the translation to the curb doesn’t take into consideration that the majority of Christians in the world use the NIV and benefit from it exceedingly well.

Jesus was God’s sacrifice for all of mankind. If Jesus was God, who was Jesus praying to? 🤔

The Greek says the only begotten God. I like both translations though

Niv is wrong

I read both, and I don’t think God is upset with that. Both speak the true God . God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit

NIV calls Lucifer the morning star in Isaiah 14. BLASPHEMY. In Revelations 22:16 Christ calls himself the seed of David, and the bright and morning star. KJV is the word of God in English everything else is a perversion

Niv is NOT in harmony because if you look into the authors you may find they were suspicious. WESTCOTT AND HORT. LOOK INTO IT IF YOU REALLY CARE.

😂 compare 1 Tim 3:16. KJV or NIV ?

KJV ALWAYS

Niv is clearer on the deity in this vs.

NIV; Isaiah 14:12 "Morning star" Rev:22:16. KJV; Isaiah 14:12 "Lucifer" Rev:22:16. Do the math, go to these passages I'm your bible, and read.

The NIV is just a translation made by trinitarians, Jesus is the Son of God, God is the Father. That’s why 1 Corinthians 8:6 says “ but to us there is but one God, the Father. And one Lord Jesus.” Trinitarians have been trying to infiltrate that pagan doctrine into the Bible since 325 AD.

The king James is more stable Jesus is G-d but that confuses people we are to minister to because they think we’re saying physically Jesus was physically in the beginning, creating the universe like their false gods Like Zeus or Hercules existed. John, 14:9-10 Explains that the word is in the body of Jesus and the word is in the father, and the father is in the word. Hebrews chapter 10 verse five a body was prepared …through a woman. Not that the body already existed before the woman. I only say this because nonbelievers need for us to explain it in a way they can understand what we’re saying whether they believe it or not at least they have a fighting chance like the Philip ministered when he did not understand the meaning of the passage he was reading

More people have been saved under the preaching and reading of the KJV than any other version in the history of man kind. Including the “original” KJV is the perfect word of God!

The NIV is a corrupt version it removes A lot of the words like repent for example in Jonah 3:10 the NIV removes the word repent

INV was the language was clear to my understanding. For me I found my hungrier to read was hampered by Elizabethan style speech anyways I also myself going to KJB.

Do Matthew 9:13, Luke 4:8, and John 6:47. Compare the KJV to the corrupted Bibles after that.

KJV is the only correct one.

I don’t like the new translations they feel too summarized and paraphrased and censored/dumbed down. The Wycliffe can be confusing but I like the descriptiveness. Geneva and Tyndale seem to be good aswell.

You need to read where it says that he is the only begotten son, where is in the NIV he says you are the one and only son, he is not the one and only son, if you read John 1:12 but as many as received him gave them the power to become the sons of God even to them that believe on his name, Jesus is the only begotten son but he, which is of the essence of God, but we are also sons of God who believe in his name, so that versus rendering he is the only son of God

The NIV is the better translation.

Thats john testament try to read john 8:40 what christ said....if he is god when he died in the cross who resurrect him?did he resurrect himself?prove it from the bible if he resurrect himself....which verse can you read it? D?😂😂😂 Christ he is a man the apostle said he is man god said jesus is a man act 2:22....you said the opposite.....deciever

Look in the translation notes… congratulations you found the verse 😂 that you guys claim is missing But if anything read the original language .

NIV literally says it.

Been reading KJV 50+ years. Its not hard to read but every other bible has the bias of the translaters as to their own agenda today. KJV isnt transcripts or scrolls but closer than anything fron us today.

They both said the same thing, in a different wording. But if any doubt. John 1:1 [1] "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." [📖KJV 1611] 1 John 5:7 [7] "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. [📖KJV 1611] John 14:9 [9] "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?" [📖KJV 1611] John 20:28 [28] "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God." [📖KJV 1611] Rely solely in the word of God well preserved in the KJV 1611. May God keep you blessed. All glory to God Almighty!

The NIV states His Deity better in that comparison. John 1:1-3 states the Word Aka is God, John 10 and 17 states they are one aka Yachad.

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the niv is clearer.

English isn't my first language so KJV is very difficult to understand. Infact i wont understand majority of it.

The NIV is not trustworthy

NIV ftw

For those of you that don’t know. The Bible actually talks about the King James Bible being inaccurate (Revelation 22:18) There are verses that have been added as well.

KJV isn't the original scripture, nothing in English is. KJV wasn't the only English bible when it arrived, wasn't perfect then either.

NIV

stuh-hoo-puh-hid

1 John 5:7-8 is grossly mistranslated in the NIV vs KJV or NKJV. The NIV is missing lots of words, including Heaven and Earth.

Niv says Jesus is God to me this it true

They're saying the same thing

I would have to say the NIV