Thank you, I appreciate that, yes these are very time-intensive, and even listing the steps needed to do it would take me quite a while!

Great nerding! With my nerdy cap I'd add that Mark was also General Urko in the Planet of the Apes series.

ploppy son of ploppy a Nerdy Silver Star for that one!

@@georgeorwell4534 Oh I've always wanted one of those! Happy nerd signing off.

To this day, I still cannot tell that that is Mark Lenard. Amazing makeup work!

@Stevetheman55 consider me eddified! 😁🖖

No joke, it's called recon by fire: shoot it, and see if and how it fires back. You can even say that reconnaissance succeded: it's artificial, well armed and willing to fire back.

hahahaha

Or as Cinema Sins puts it "We don't know what this thing is, let's shoot it."

@@kireta21 I mean plus, if you can't get any sensor reading through the cloud... full spread ain't exactly the _worst_ way to rough out a scale...

4: with honour!

The evasives on the film were perhaps a little too slow and calm but these manoeuvres are way too fast.

I laughed out loud when this happened. 😂

@@TheCormTube Honestly it's a bit realistic considering how fast their ships are

@@hammerofdavey realistically though, if they're supposed to have the kind of performance they're stated to have (getting to high percentages of lightspeed in seconds to minutes at most) even this is pretty tame.

Too be fair with inertial dampeners and warp field assisted impulse drives, you could argue this is accurate. The reason why Star Trek doesn’t have fighter craft is because huge capital ships are basically just as maneuverable because of warp technology and gravitational manipulation.

Have you seen the food they eat, the flatulence alone will peel the paint off the walls.

Looks like RJ Reynolds finally found new customers in the future. That's unfiltered Camel smoke for sure.

Their life support wasn't as sophisticated (reference the Trellisane Confrontation) as that of that of the Federation....plus, they were heavy smokers! Probably Winston, that's a tough cigarrette!

K'tinga, before discovery tried to rewrite history, the word K'tinga had one apostrophe.

40 years? This is a new rendering.

@scot FALSE thats d 7 not k'tingas

@@incrediblemichael Sorry, that's not correct. These are K'tinga class heavy battle cruisers. The D7 is an older, smaller, light battle cruiser that has no aft torpedo tube, only one in the bow of the ship. The K'Tinga class was the first Klingon cruiser to have more than one torpedo tube.

@@incrediblemichael The D7 are only seen in ToS (and technically Discovery), the ones seen in the movies, TNG, DS9, etc are the K'Tinga class which replaced the D7. Don't worry though a lot of people make the same mistake as you due to the way they look fairly similar (They share the same general shape albeit the K'Tinga is roughly 50% larger with a proportionally shorter neck) and the fact that in an episode of Voyager they encountered a D7 which was represented on screen by a K'Tinga model as the studio didn't want to pay for a new D7 model.

@@jiyu9694 If you look at the blueprints and schematics of a D7 it is slightly longer than the K'tinga.

@@incrediblemichael No Samantha, you're wrong. Scott is 100% correct.

They were already at warp. You'll note when the Enterprise first approaches V'ger later in the film that the engines are lit indicating it's at warp. It's the only way V'ger could've traversed that much space in the amount of time it takes in the film.

​@@thelastamericanflappernot saying you are wrong, or I disagree. But.....Tom Paris said in STV, when going faster than the speed of light there is no left or right. Now I understood that to mean, your not going to do evasive maneuvers, let alone a U turn as the Klingons clearly did. The writers for Trek always contradict themselves. Regardless, the reason why the Klingons were defeated was because they had no Plot Armor. They were there to show the audience how powerful Veger was. Letting them escape would not shown the audience on how much a threat Veger was.

Simple answer: they were already at warp, but V'ger is so huge (2 AU in diameter, or about 200 million miles across, a distance that would take 16 minutes to cross at warp 1) that they look like they're going slow

Because V'ger and the Klingon ships are already traveling at warp speed. Read the book.

No, no, no. This was Klingon space, and they were prepared to fight to the death of an unresposive invader. It was a show of brute force and a warrior mentality. A good death is to die in battle with honor than to surrender and admit defeat for the Klingons.

These models are from the 2009 Star Trek 'reboot'. For some reason they are called warbirds there...

Canon officially classifies them as K'tinga D-7 battle cruisers.

Actually they're polygons rendered in a 3D graphics package into a visual media format being displayed on your monitor.

@@Dualhammers LOL!!! Good one! Actually not a Trekkie (Trekker), and definitely not a softhead...too old.

@@Dualhammers That would explain a lot of things.

How thats never gonna be repeated avain ... in Corona world

Yeah but how did we avert the rise of Khan in the late 1990s? He was said to be the best of the tyrants so I was looking forward to his benevolent rule. Some foolhardy time traveler must have altered the timeline!

Doc and Marty?

Apparently one ship being destroyed and Kirk not meeting his father changed the whole universe....the Enterprise was built on the planet's surface and was completely different, every ship in the fleet was also different, bigger, full of pipes so perhaps the whales and v'ger were somehow affected.

@@TheCormTube Technology in the Kelvin timeline is extremely primitive compared to the original series, They don't use anti matter the warp engines do not have bussard collectors, The computer core is nonexistent because it's supposed to be in the middle of saucer but on the kelvin constitution there's a giant open space in the middle of a saucer, their brigs have some kind of nano technology plastic windows instead of forcefields, The hand phaser have only two settings versus the roughly 15 settings of the original, Their sensora apparently are completely blind while at warp, Judging from the movies there's no such thing as miniaturization technology in the Kelvin timeline, Not to mention the fact that the secondary hull is not even compartmentalised to guard against hull breaches nor they have emergency forcefields or emergency bulkheads. Popular Mechanics has a diagram of the Kelvin enterprise and its a complete mess. Their ship phasers also do not have a wide beam setting or a beam setting at all and their photon torpedoes do not have proximity detonation.

The JJ Abrams movies and all the other new Star Trek are not canon. Only the ones created by Rick Berman and Gene Roddenberry are Canon.

Thanks, I tried to give some differing camera work from the original and added extra torpedo shots, because, hey, they're Klingons.

it would dishonor their families for generations. a klingons fight to the death.

@@timcassaday3045 Most possible reason. But they could have got away to warn the Empire and returned to attack (with the same results no doubt.)

It's already moving at Mach 7 go take a lot to escape that

The ones in the original movie, were realistic as it gets models. The quality of the original movie was better unity they digitalized it, which was fine until everyone's computers and TV a became digital with far more pixels. If you take the original film and digitalize it with moder pixel ratio you would see a big difference.

​@@michaellarson938 Even though this was made 1979 Star Trek The Motion Picture is still a visual master piece. Only hardcore visual critics like yourself would critcise this. Besides there is alot of CGI movies now a days that look crap.

The design is based on section of different spines

@Cliven Longsight We're talking about this clip here and it's from the motion picture and not from JJ's movie

Thank you for the thoughtful critique, I did try initially to throw some film grain/blur in but I'm absolute pants at that, so I just went with a mild generic grain.

The size of the cloud depends on what version you're watching. In the theatrical version, one of the Epsilon 9 crew says that the cloud is "82 AUs (astronomical units) in diameter". That is insanely large and much larger than distance between the orbits of Venus and Jupiter at 4.48 AUs. The Director's Cut takes the cloud down to a much more reasonable 2 AUs. At 82 AUs, the cloud would envelop all of the Solar System well into the Kuiper Belt, past Pluto.

@@Felamine 82 AU's is the average diameter of Pluto's orbit.

@@Felamine I didn't get the figure right from the director's cut.

@@johntracy72 Pluto's orbit has a semi-major axis 39.482 AU

Thanks, probably the most fun part of the project!

Really? This one's better and they don't maneuver ridiculously fast either. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jdaWptOV1q3bdZ8.html

You really should look around more. There are quite a few out there that rival professionally made effects. One example, look for the 4K Voyager opening sequence.

Yeah, they moved at cartoon speed. A real aircraft would never be able to move that fast...even some big radio control planes would be hard pressed.

You're a certified joke and probably a sock puppet to suggest this is even remotely good. All of these lame Blender versions of this scene were crushed. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bp2WgsJns5athHU.html

But aren't they in space, where gravity wouldn't affect them the way it would in a planet's atmosphere?

Thanks, the Saber effect by Video Copilot was essential for making the effect really pop.

@@GlennG5150 I think I'd be interested to see your take on the 2009 Enterprise's encounter with V'Ger.

I'm surprised it took four years for someone to ask this question! No, it wasn't there in the 2009 movie, but I took a small amount of creative license there and wanted to portray that frontal ridge as an animated active scanner or deflector.

The whole battle is at warp speed. V'ger's torpedoes are much faster than the Klingon ships (and the redesigned Enterprise too). The sheer scale of V'Ger which was originally 82 AU in diameter (an AU being the distance from the Sun to Earth, roughly 93,000,000 miles) makes things appear slow. This is explicitly stated in the novel, that Enterprise goes to emergency warp 9 when first fired on and the V'Ger torpedoe "follows easily, effortlessly"

@@richardgregory3684 It diesn't look like it to me. By their approach, it looks like they are approaching a body lije a planet, moon, or space station, where they slow down and either orbit or dock, at least on impulse power.

@@MulToyVerse The clue is the scene when Enterprise approaches the cloud. The inner grills on the nacelles are lit up blue, which on the movie Enterprise was *only* when they were at warp. Thus, the Enterprise is approaching the cloud at warp speed. They never slow down. Also, the cloud was moving toward Earth at high warp speed, and there's no indication that the cloud slowed down when the insignificant starships approached it.

@@tyranusfan There's no visual cues that they're at warp speed, though. No moving stars or anything like that. At least in the newer iterations of Trek they have a better representation for when ships are at warp.

@@KenoshiAkai They never used streaking stars until TNG came out. The later two movies, V and VI switched to that, but at the time of TMP, that wasn't in use. The only visual cue in both TMP and TWOK is the lit up nacelles. (From TWOK to TVH, they used the constant trail of light behind the ship.)

Maybe they couldn't establish a warp field.

they were actually at high warp speed the whole time. the film didnt depict warp speed very well, which is why they couldnt outrun veegers digitizer. the enterprise scene after is also at warp which is easier to see because the impulse engines are off and the warp nacells are lit up blue 👍

I never understood the whole sequence. With their size difference the Klingons are like ants farting at a tank, and the tank actually bothers to shoot back?

That's probably the most troublesome part for me too, but in the original, all they did was elevate their noses slightly, not very dramatic - but yes, my version is a bit abrupt, but I also had timing constraints to work with (being a fixed-time shot) - if I could've, I would slow it to about half the speed I used.

@@GlennG5150 It's way too abrupt--it's the only bad thing about the whole video. These spacecraft are equivalent to battleships and cruisers. They're not fighter planes.

Thank you very much!

You can use it, just give credit. I tried using the motion blur (in AE) but my poor underpowered machine kept crashing, it's an intensive effect to render!

Realistically they should though. What's shown on screen is often way too slow for the setting

I've always assumed that it was during the Epsilon 9 cutaway.

In TOS, Klingons never had phasers as weapons. Phasers are Federation technology. Klingons only had disruptors.

Lenzabi, Thanks for posting this as I was about to. That was the first thing that came to mind when I found this video. Romulans have warbirds, NOT Klingons!

@@Shortsircut1. Yes, Romulans have warbirds, clingons have bird of prey.

The designations were always less than consistent. Remember, Bird of Prey was also an exclusively Romulan designation until Search for Spock (in what was originally scripted to be a stolen Romulan ship, by the way). Two other things that were exclusively Romulan until then - the Cloaking Device, and the Neutral Zone. The latter we can probably thank Nick Meyer for, as his poor research clearly didn't show that the Gamma Hydra sector was near Romulan Space (reference "The Deadly Years" TOS), not Klingon.

@@k1productions87 OK I can at least agree in part. I have not watched much TOS for some time. If I remember right the Romulans actually bought ships from the Klingons at one time. As shown in the TOS episode "The Enterprise Incident" those Romulans had Klingon (battle cruisers) ships and that was the explanation that I read on how that came to be. Additionally, the episode (I forget the name) with the Organians and the treaty signed by the Federation and the Klingons that forbid the Federation from developing any kind of cloaking device but the Klingons could because they already had a cloak. I don't remember enough as to whether or not the Klingons had a neutral zone or not back then, but I believe you are correct that when the Enterprise first came across a Romulan the ship was referred to as a "bird of prey".

@@Shortsircut1 The episode with the Organians was "Errand of Mercy" and it was the first time we ever saw the Klingons (perfect casting John Colicos as Kor, BTW. He always chews up the scenery no matter who he plays. He was also Baltar on the original Battlestar Galactica). This wasnt about cloaking though. That was the Treaty of Algeron which was never actually seen, only first mentioned in the TNG episode "Pegasus". But what the Organian Peace Treaty did was stop the impending war. Koloth mentions this in "The Trouble With Tribbles", using the terms of the peace treaty to allow his crew to have shore leave on Space Station K-7 while Kirk's crew was there. This also means there was no Neutral Zone at the time, as a Neutral Zone is a buffer of space between two empires that neither side is allowed to enter (much less fully cross into the other's territory). Doing so would be an act of war. Considering we saw Klingons several more times after this further accentuates that no such Neutral Zone existed, but also that there was no real defined border between them. So, the first time we ever see Neutral Zone and Klingons mentioned together was during the Kobayashi Maru simulation at the beginning of Wrath of Khan. As I mentioned before... the "Gamma Hydra" sector they mention during this simulation was also mentioned in "The Deadly Years" (TOS)... which was on the Romulan Border, not Klingon (Enterprise subsequently falling under attack by several Romulan Warbirds). My other problem with the Wrath of Khan scene was... the Neutral Zone was portrayed as a small bubble of space, not a border between empires. But that's a different subject for a different discussion, lol

Which is what all the movies/series have done in Trek - added SFX where there realistically should be any. Just being consistent.

Highly probable that the V'ger cloud's energy field was sapping a lot of power from the Klingon engines.

OMG yeah big boo-boo there, should've put him on the abbreviated credits, such amazing music!!

You make a great point here, unfortunately with the system I had at the time for rendering (it was only an i3 processor with 8GB of memory and an NVIDIA Quadro 600 card) was way too slow to handle AO without making the render take forever, so I had to sacrifice it.

Large capital ships like this should move slower, less maneuverable. These speed at which these turned tail looks ridiculous.

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